The Bridge

@Sterno Why would I do that? confused

SaintWacko

@Frank Oh dear

@Frank Yikes.

@Frank Hmm?

Who do you need to talk to? Because that ought not happen.

Grace Note

@spugsley I look forward to seeing this post.

7:02 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Just finished off Crossroads Keep. The elf leading the NPC charge took a hit in the last room, and I can't talk to him after I told him I wanted to look around.

@GraceNote GREAT NOW THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE!

@Frank that's... a goofy bug I've never seen before. I'm guessing you don't have a save from a few minutes ago... :(

@LessPop_MoreFizz Nope. But I can probably raise him. I think.

user15026

Dear EA/Origin if you not giving me info means my question gets closed Imma going to trebuchet something

@Frank Good luck! And let this be a lesson in saved games! (That said, NWN2s autosaves are reasonably frequent, do you not even have one of those...?)

7:05 PM

Simplifying: She dumped me on 05/24/2012 (Thursday), she started seeing another guy 05-27-2012 (Sunday), I moved out of her house in 05-29-2012 (Tuesday), She started her new relationship (officially) 06-01-2012...

PS: With the breakup We (my ex and I) lost the opportunity to gain the visa to become citizen of Quebec (We were at the end of the process to gain the visa, was just waiting the Canada to send us the documentation with our approved visa (we passed in the interview in the Consul of Quebec at São Paulo / Brazil))

@Michel My condolences on your father passing. :/ It sounds like you're doing your best to make the best of things though, and I hope it continues to go well. :) What kind of dance did you do?

Wee! Debugged in a Raise Dead scroll, and up he got!

@FAE Thanks FAE, you were always kind to me. Thanks for everything

Ahhh

@Michel As I've said, you can always come stay with me for a bit.

The cold might get to you, though.

@Michel Anytime. :)

7:09 PM

I'll totally be your ice breaker, @OrigamiRobot. </lack-of-context>

@TimStone Hey, he's @Fluttershy's.

I lost 20Kg (44 pounds), Started watching Doctor Who AND I could finally see everything without subs (She understood English, but didn't like to watch TV Series and movies without subs)

@FAE A pony can dream...

user15026

@Michel I approve of the Doctor who watching! :D

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My weight were 100Kg (220 Pounds) now it's 77Kg (169 Pounds)

I have 1.87m

user15026

7:10 PM

@Michel Awesome! Go you :)

user15026

@Fluttershy Would you share? :)

@TimStone I've got some ice for you to break right here.

Actually, I lied. Additional lack-of-context message: What's less awesome @LessPop_MoreFizz is the fact that the only room placard on the 4th floor in the Christiana hospital that was in Spanish in addition to English was the one for the janitor's closet. (random, but that made me remember seeing that)

@Frank You have NO Idea how I hate the heat, and how I love the Cold

user15026

@Michel You should come visit then! It's -20C here today

7:12 PM

@TimStone ahahahahaha I assume you are referring to my last tweet?

@AshleyNunn to they even allow planes to take off/land?

SaintWacko

Heh. In Risk of Rain, I happened to move just right that an experience orb went into orbit around me

@SaintWacko haha nice

@Michel It currently feels like -29 today.

@AshleyNunn it's 30C outside T_T Inside it's 18C and I'm melting T_T

user15026

7:13 PM

@Michel We could trade!

@SaintWacko I didn't even know that was possible. <_<

@AshleyNunn <3

SaintWacko

@Fluttershy I wouldn't have thought about it, but it makes sense. Anything that has a limited turning radius can be sent into orbit with the right motion

If anyone want

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/ayres.michel
Google+: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117214471332652000184

^.^

@SaintWacko True. I just never realized they had a limited turning radius. :P

7:16 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah

@TimStone I've seen your picture. I don't think you'd have the desired effect.

My gf on the election: 'They seem to take it very seriously'

RedRiderX

@fredley Heh

@OrigamiRobot I'll bring the baby, it's okay.

I DID A THING

@TimStone unacceptable

7:17 PM

@Michel added you on FB :)

@spugsley THE THING IS DONE THAT YOU DID?

@spugsley :O

I'm a amazing companion. I don't bother, get the schedule of the house so I don't get in the way of anyone, if I use I replace (food usually), bring my own hygienic stuff (soap, shampoo ...) and if I know that there is a task (dishes, trash...) I try to help.

I hate to be annoying to someone.

@TimStone Could work.

@spugsley You need another tag on there aside from just "discussion"

@Michel what kind of work are you doing now? :)

7:18 PM

@FAE Accepted ^.^

@FAE like what?

@spugsley Web Development

@spugsley C#, PHP (I love C#, but... programming is programming and the first language that I learned was PHP)

@Michel I did too :p

@Michel nice! :) I'm still job hunting

> The government’s opponents pointed to three recent actions by the government that they said were intended to incite the more radical protesters and sow doubt in the minds of the moderates:... and on Tuesday, sending cellphone messages to people standing in the vicinity of the fighting saying, “Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

Well that isn't super creepy or anything.

7:20 PM

@spugsley But you got a wonderful photo career ahead of you~

@spugsley comments, new user, whatever you can find that works. It's just policy that anything tagged "discussion" has at least one additional tag.

@FAE ok thank you :)

@spugsley no prob!

@spugsley I'm studying to become project Manager one day =D (I love programming, but, I don't think I could live forever as a developer ... I saw some guys with good CV being turned down because of their age)

@Michel Wait? what?

That's the worst reason ever.

7:21 PM

@spugsley I have 4 years xp, and I learn fast new things

@Michel My husband works for Microsoft and I think he has similar aspirations :)

New developers have new ideas

@Michel don't do it

And they don't have to be paid as much

@Krazer aw, thank you. Some days I don't know. It's hard to make a living off of art

7:21 PM

You'll regret it

Work in a company that respect developers and development

Q: Communicating with new users who ask a Duplicate Question

@Arperum This is ONE reason. Others are: I can create amazing things. Not being hold for stubborn thinking. Better Salaries...

Sepia Lazers

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I did some digging through older topics and didn't see this one so I hope I'm not missing something. Over the past few days, I've been clicking on duplicate topics and noticed that a lot of them are asked by new users. Here are a few examples: I can't find my follower MINECRAFT FILE DOWNLOAD (...

@Michel True, I was mostly reacting on the "being turned down because of age" part though.

@Michel He meant being turned down due to age was the worst reason.

We should do a mod nominee token meta question comparison at some point

7:24 PM

@spugsley There is not good jobs for MS here at Brazil. never saw any spots there (for IT). I made interviews in HP and DELL once, but... HP had an amazing weird project (think of EVERYTHING on database (even the front-end)) and DELL was for Junior with low salary =(

@Arperum Ahh, sorry then for my wrong answer :X

@Michel I have an English degree so I'm just not really qualified to do anything :p

@Michel No problem :)

@Michel WAT

@spugsley I don't have any degree T_T

@Michel I hear you. :(

7:25 PM

Database everything sounds like a tdwtf post

@fredley You should put that in a database.

My last job was with a salary of 4K Reais (currency in Brazil). today the conversion would be 1692.76$

@Michel Me either. :(

John chews over the complex issue of just what a Kickstarter pledge really is and really means http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/01/21/kickstarter-pledges-are-risky-investments-not-purchases/

Tweeted by rockpapershot on January 21, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Finally somebody gets it

> Kickstarter Pledges Are Risky Investments, Not Purchases

I have the inkling of an idea for a new game

7:27 PM

@spugsley Okay, I did.

It will have a database

@LessPop_MoreFizz yup yup :)

And text

and players

lots of text

@fredley does the database have a database?

the database is in a database

2

Compile SQL to C

Database all the things

7:29 PM

A database in a database you say?

INSERT DATABASE INTO DATABASE

@spugsley I think you are coming at this from a very fundamentally different perspective than I am (and than I'd argue is required for this sort of thing). Arqade is, first and foremost, and fundamentally a Q&A site, not a community. (The bridge is different and it's own animal and and and things.) For the same reason that StackExchange is not a forum, the sort of behaviors that are important on a forum - being extra nice and showing the new folks around - are less important...

@fredley But does every player have his own database?

SELECT DATABASE FROM DATABASE WHERE DATABASE = DATABASE

than the things that are fundamentally important on a Q&A site: to wit, helping people get answers to their questions.

Coronus

7:30 PM

@fredley Do i have to write the script that creates the database in a database?

Yes, that's the whole game.

@Michel Nope, me either. All I have is a diploma.

@LessPop_MoreFizz Oh wow. I really disagree with that. I think the entire site is a community. I think that QA and Community don't have to be mutually exclusive

Whether they stick around or think we're nice people is kind of secondary to that. The site will grow if people can come here and get their problems solved. The current dupe process accomplishes that, and anything else is really just icing.

Seems to have served me well, though.

7:31 PM

Is that some canada term, do I recall?

Jason Berkan

@LessPop_MoreFizz Sometimes getting their problems solved involves us being nice to them, though.

@cor yes

@JasonBerkan I never said anything about being mean to anybody. My point, specifically is that the current dupe process solves peoples problems.

@JasonBerkan this I agree with. And I think that getting and keeping new quality members should be a priority.

Ben Brocka

UK porn filter blocks game update that contained the word 'sex' in the filename 'VarusExpirationTimer.luaobj' http://gu.com/p/3m3qx/tw

Tweeted by guardian on January 21, 2014 at 5:39 PM

7:32 PM

Assuming the duplicate is in fact an accurate dupe, there isn't any particular reason to think that rolling out the welcome wagon to a person that asks a dupe is particularly incumbent upon anyone.

@BenBrocka lol...

@BenBrocka Clbuttic

If anything, I'd argue it's more important to do so for new users who ask questions that aren't dupes, but don't get answered quickly. And we have a whole lot of those.

@LessPop_MoreFizz again, not mutually exclusive. We can do both

Which do you honestly think is a worse experience: Asking a question and then getting notified "Oh hey, someone asked this already, the answer is here." or total silence and not getting an answer?

7:33 PM

one doesn't have to be more important than the other

Jason Berkan

@LessPop_MoreFizz I completely agree on dupes. SE has that system almost perfected at this point. But I do think there are times where we do have to nicely show people around - generally when closing questions.

@spugsley but by singling out dupes for this sort of treatment you are elevating them.

Who is the Golden Turtle Rider ?

@JasonBerkan Sure. But that's not what we're talking about here. I'm specifically responding to a statement regarding dupes.

@spugsley But Q&A is prioritized higher. Consider the fact that we don't allow discussion, that we don't have a system for PMing people, etc.

7:35 PM

gemsfromstackexchange.tumblr.com/image/74080678641

4

internet famous

> Posted by KEITH

@FAE and that's fine. But I'd also like people to think "Hey these people are nice" And maybe wander into chat and then feel compelled to do even more things like getting enough rep to edit, etc

@LessPop_MoreFizz no. I'm elevating the new user not the dupe. I don't think this should be done for all dupes, just those made by a completely new person

3

Q: HLDS not visible to the public ip even after DMZ and Port forwarding

@GnomeSlice I've submitted a few screenshots over there.

Lazers

0

I want make HLDS on internet. I can say that I've done port forwarding properly because I tried running Deluge (a bittorrent client) same port (27015) and confirmed the open port from canyouseeme.org. Moreover I've turned off firewalls of router as well as of Windows. Even I tried DMZ on router...

counter-strike server-administration

7:38 PM

@kalina hahahahaha

@kalina Arg, can't load tumblr at work

@GnomeSlice You too!

@spugsley I do agree that it's important that we have a welcoming community face, as that's always been a personal priority of mine as well. However, we do need to keep in mind that it's also not necessarily fair to make current users feel like they're obliged to do this, just as they're not obliged to publicly justify their downvotes.

@kalina People are so kind <3

@MBraedley Better?

7:39 PM

@spugsley Right, but my point is that when a new user gets their question duped, their problem has been solved. Functionally, that's no different from straight up getting an answer, so why should we care about that particular set of new users exactly?

@GnomeSlice Much

3ventic

@kalina "It works perfectly fine for me, so it must work perfectly fine for you too!"

@FAE I agree. I don't think anyone should have to do anything. But I think that people who want to should come up with a good way to do it

@kalina Ma'am, you have a great collection over there ...

7:41 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz because they are new users

@LessPop_MoreFizz this is the same thing as I've been discussing when it comes to questions that are off topic - if you at least try and point them in the right direction, it improves the chance that they'll come back to us in the future. New users = further site growth, be nice to them.

By not being nice to new users, you are damaging the site.

@spugsley My point is that you're not really demonstrating how what you're proposing is all that much better than what we have now... or why people who ask dupes deserve special treatment compared to people who ask questions that just don't get answered. You'd accomplish more by slapping a 50 rep bounty on every question by a new user that still doesn't have an answer as soon as it's eligible. — LessPop_MoreFizz 4 mins ago

You'd accomplish more by slapping a 50 rep bounty on every question by a new user that still doesn't have an answer as soon as it's eligible

I kind of almost want to start doing this but I know I'm just not coordinated or organized enough to keep up the effort.

@LessPop_MoreFizz the 'special treatment' thing confuses me. How is welcoming a new user considered special treatment?

@spugsley because you felt the need to make a meta post about new users who ask dupes. What about all the other new users?

7:43 PM

@FEichinger

@spugsley it's not, it's common courtesy - you welcome existing users when they say hi in the bridge, why not welcome new users when they post their first post?

@GnomeSlice Yahoo answers

@LessPop_MoreFizz when I was searching through the meta most other types of questions and answers had been covered. I didn't see anything about this. I thought that's what the meta was for?

If you want to argue for a New User Welcome Wagon or something or make a copypasta macro to slam onto the comments of every post by a new user... go ahead I guess. But I don't see what's deficient in particular about how the current process handles new users who ask dupes vs. how it handles new users who ask unique questions.

I'm obviously not understanding something here

Lazers

7:44 PM

0

Q: Best gear for Warden

Whats the best gear for Warden, im lvl 45 at Dark Souls, and, i still with my inicial amor set and a Schimitar +5. Anyone knows?!

xbox-360 dark-souls

@LessPop_MoreFizz don't be an ass about it.

Lmao

Okay, to all you Europeans with the cheap, cheap schooling, how much do you have to pay (if you have to pay at all) for textbooks?

@spugsley I'm not trying to be an ass, but I am legitimately kind of confused by what exactly you're advocating for.

And the more you try to respond to me, the less clear it gets. :/

Which is maybe on me and not on you

but I am doing my best to articulate exactly why I'm so baffled.

@yuki $0

7:46 PM

!

yeah. I can't do this. I'm getting anxious. I'm happy to delete the meta post. I don't want arguments or people getting mean. This is why I don't participate in this stuff. I'll go delete it and then chat can be normal again.

!!

Library had all textbooks, and many were online anyway.

@fredley Oh god, I hate Europe right now.

@fredley Well, my parents are kinda forcing me to buy my own textbooks. Which is a giant dent in my wallet.

@spugsley I'm not out to be mean... And I'm sorry if you think I'm being confrontational. The fact that we don't have the same opinion doesn't mean I don't like you or what you have to say. :P

7:47 PM

@yuki I bought a couple for the courses I really liked, but more as mementos

@yuki Don't you have libraries?

I just forked over $500 USD for two textbooks.

@spugsley don't back down - people are agreeing with the existence of your post (it's upvoted)

WAT

@fredley Not the point. If I don't bring textbooks home along with proof of purchase, I'm in big doo-doo.

DEAR EUROPEANS: SCREW YOU THE BEST I GET IS $500 WORTH OF BOOKS FOR FREE WHICH I PROBABLY PAY FOR WITH TUITION ANYWAY

7:48 PM

My most expensive book was 30 quid and it's a tome

@kalina You've discovered GFSE, huh.

@Yuki why do you need a proof of purchase?

@yuki wat

Textbooks are awful

Why?

7:48 PM

@FEichinger I've been there before, I forgot about it

@kalina Because my parents need proof that I bought the textbooks rather than renting/borrowing/what-have-you.

As in, why proof of purchase? Why not roll it into the course fee if it's utterly compulsory?

@Yuki how can two books cost that much

@kalina You did make me notice that I haven't submitted posts in a while.

@Yuki I payed around €100 euro a year or something.

7:49 PM

@Krazer Ridiculous subsidizing and whatnot.

Jason Berkan

@Krazer Monopoly.

@LessPop_MoreFizz ok. Ok. Let me try again. I think that maybe you're right that it doesn't necessarily have to be about dupes. I just noticed something was lacking for those specifically. A lot of these questions were asked awhile ago and the new user hasn't gained any rep. It could be they don't have anything to contribute or it could be that they didn't feel compelled to contribute anything else based on how quickly their question was put on hold without so much as a word....does that make sense?

btw, @FAE do you think my English got rusty ? I mean, I don't write in English since forever

@spugsley the vast majority of our questions are asked by users who ask one question and never come back.

Grace Note

I don't know if it's rusted from an earlier point but nothing that can't be fixed with a little sharpning.

7:50 PM

It's kind of the way the whole thing works.

Hmm... how much would it cost me if I decided to do my schooling overseas in Europe?

this is how you do course textbooks

@Michel I don't think so.

It's designed to be as frictionless as possible to do that sort of drive-by. You don't need to register, and you can get an email notification when it's answered.

@Yuki depends on the country

7:50 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz but we want them to come back :/

@Yuki You can stay at my place :)

So housing would be cheap :)

@LessPop_MoreFizz you've got to ask yourself, though, could we get some of those users to turn into repeat visitors just by being polite to them, rather than posting blunt "NOPE, QUESTION IS OFF TOPIC"-style comments

The best thing we can do to encourage people to come back is to be useful to them. The current process accomplishes that.

@Arperum Sadly, I'm already nearly done with my schooling. If all goes well, I graduate fall of this year.

@LessPop_MoreFizz useful and friendly.

7:51 PM

@spugsley Some people just have a single problem and don't want to contribute solutions to others.

@kalina Sure, that's a legitimate conversation to have. But it's not the one that @spugsley started.

@Michel I think you're still on a comparable level to what you were. :)

I might think about it if I decide to go for a master's though.

@kalina We're talking about dupes here. Which get an automated comment that is to the point and simply says "Hey, the answer is over here."

7:52 PM

@Yuki Most if not everything is in Dutch or French here though.

Pls to be submitting to gemsfromstackexchange

@MBraedley right. But maybe when they see the community we have here, they may feel compelled to come back and contribute. Don't we try to aim for that? Getting new quality users?

@LessPop_MoreFizz As far as I can tell, you've been told multiple times now that this is not exclusively about dupes. Why are you still so focused on dupes, then?

@FEichinger because my meta question is about dupes

Q: Communicating with new users who ask a Duplicate Question

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I did some digging through older topics and didn't see this one so I hope I'm not missing something. Over the past few days, I've been clicking on duplicate topics and noticed that a lot of them are asked by new users. Here are a few examples: I can't find my follower MINECRAFT FILE DOWNLOAD (...

discussion comments new-user

7:53 PM

@GnomeSlice The real question is, "HOW EVERYTHING IN?"

@LessPop_MoreFizz if you read what @spugsley said, she said she asked about dupes because all of the other possible close reasons already seemed to have an equivalent post, she can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her original point was more general

Ben Brocka

If people aren't confused or sticking around with more dupes after asking a single dupe I don't see much reason to post extra comments about it. Be nice when you do need to interact, but I don't see the point in extra comments that are essentially devoid of information anyway, regardless of politeness.

looks pretty exclusively about dupes to me.

@Yuki Why would they do this to you?

@kalina yeah, that's right :)

7:53 PM

@Arperum Thanks ^.^

@LessPop_MoreFizz I'm well aware of the question this sprung from, thank you very much.

My point is simply that I'm seeing the same argument retreaded here for the third time.

@FAE They're rather firm on the "you'll get good grades by studying out of the textbook".

welcoming every new user is another point entirely. This is just focusing on users who asked a good question but never came back after their question was put on hold. I'd like to do something to get them to come back again

Which I do agree with. I'd just prefer to rent my books in the worst case.

@FEichinger Right, but I'm only talking about dupes. The fact that people seem to interpret that as "@lesspop doesn't want people to be nice and welcome new people" is on them, IMO.

My point is that I think the current dupe process is fine.

7:54 PM

@spugsley Yes, but there are just some people who are selfish (maybe not the best word) and only want an answer to there single problem and move on. We won't change many of their minds. I'm not saying it isn't worth it to try, I'm just saying be realistic with expectations.

So I'm going to order some books online and then return the ones I bought when they come in.

@MBraedley Right. And my entire point is pretty much "it's worth a try" :)

@FAE "Thanks" :X I need to improve my English.

Unfortunately, I can't really wait for online delivery at this moment since I have homework due this week.

@MBraedley for sure, the improvement rate will be very low, probably even single digit percentages, but even that is an improvement

7:55 PM

@Yuki yay college :p

@Michel Just come around here more to practice. :D

If @spugsley doesn't, which I think is implied by her meta post, than IMO, she needs to do a better job of articulating why it isn't fine, because as of now, most of the arguments she's making point to me to less of a statement on how we handle dupes by new users, and more to how we handle new users in general. Because if anything, we handle dupes better than just about anything else.

Crap. The receipt says "ALL TEXTBOOK SALES ARE FINAL".

Well, there's goes that plan.

@Yuki Yes, but there are lots of used textbook sites.

Speaking of books, I should probably get my last textbook >_>

7:56 PM

And book exchanges.

Goodbye, like, $150. I'll miss you!

user15026

@Yuki you should be able to sell them someplace

@Yuki buy book, scan book, distribute digital copies, return book, ???, profit

RedRiderX

@MBraedley Not as much selfish as not interested in the community itself or becoming a part of it.

user15026

Amazon takes them, I tihnk Alibiris and the like also will

7:56 PM

What's even worse? I still have two classes to purchase textbooks for.

user15026

@Krazer book scanning is hard, yo

I stopped buying textbooks after freshman year.

@StrixVaria This.

@StrixVaria I don't have this option. For the first half of my schooling, parents helped with textbooks costs. Now that I have a job, it's all on me.

@FAE Sure I'll Even if it's just to read the chat a little ^.^

7:57 PM

@StrixVaria Did you have zero professors who did bookwork in class?

@AshleyNunn just the assigned pages... books should never bethat expensive

@OrigamiRobot I can't ever remember needing a book during class in college, even once.

The book was for homework only.

@OrigamiRobot This.

user15026

@Krazer It's still hard to do well. (I had to do it for work)

@StrixVaria You were lucky.

7:58 PM

Honestly, I'm not sure why you would need a book during class.

Isn't the professor supposed to know the stuff?

@AshleyNunn I'm sorry D: I did that too but probably not to as great of an extent

"supposed to" and "does" are two different things.

See you all soon ^.^

Ullallulloo

@StrixVaria Cuz I write slow and underlining important things is faster.

5 hours ago, by 3ventic

@OrigamiRobot What should be done and what is done aren't the same thing..

Mad Scientist

7:59 PM

@OrigamiRobot That seems to be also somewhat specific to the US, I had one single course that required a specific textbook, all other courses had no requirements and I just bought the books I thought would be useful

@OrigamiRobot True enough.

Retrosaur

Are inner classes really bad?

A professor of mines insists that inner classes are a reincarnation of the devil