The Bridge

Arperum

14:00

I've had issues with both browsers. IE11 breaks some javascript stuff, since some javascript html-editors just stop working in it.

badp

@Arperum what browser is perfect?

The real evil, here, is Windows XP.

I am troubled to hear that $LARGE_MULTINATIONAL_ENTITY_THAT_TOTALLY_IS_NOT_ORACLE is still stuck with XP.

Arperum

@badp None, I've had minor problems with Firefox too, and some table fuckups with Chrome.

Braiam

> tables

> 2014

Arperum

@Braiam Data. Or external nonsense.

Or even fucked up stupid legacy websites. Or user inputted stuff in a CMS.

It's not because it's a completely misused tag that you should break it. Also: html-mailings.

badp

@Braiam CSS is awful at tables. Even more awful is green text.

Arperum

14:05

Because the most-used emailclients don't support 50-80% of css

Unionhawk

Who the fuck uses XP? >_> (morning peoples)

Arperum

html-emails are the worst thing in the universe to make. no reuse at all ALL css inline because some stupid thing doesn't support css in the head element. ANd some other thing doesn't support css in a style tag in the body. Or neither.

badp

@Unionhawk Way too many people.

Arperum

@Unionhawk PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN'T

RedRiderX

@Unionhawk Way too many people.

badp

14:10

That said there's still people proudly running Windows 98.

5pike

@Arperum You piqued my interest, but I can understand that you can't disclose your client.

But IE8? Seriously?

Arperum

@5pike Read a bit on in the transcript, it's kinda obvious.

badp

Do you remember the good old days?

The good old days when Microsoft could get away with installing ads on your desktop by default?

They sure are old days.

Sterno

Clearly, I need this

Unionhawk

Vaguely. But not really. Those are, indeed old days.

5pike

14:13

I remember win 3.1, 95, 98 and ME, but that time, we didn't have access to the internet

StrixVaria

4k screen for $500. Guaranteed trash.

badp

@Sterno Oh wow, Amazon is finally dropping the image buttons.

Ben Brocka

@badp I don't recall that ever being on win 98

badp

@BenBrocka You don't recall Active Desktop?

Ben Brocka

I do remember that lovely turquoise background that was default though, and that lovely color palette

Arperum

14:14

@badp I have a memory of some shop-bought game-disc that had a virus in the startupfile that ended up killing our windows 3.11 PC slowly.

badp

@BenBrocka Came with IE5, I think.

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka It really does look nasty now. All that gray.

badp

@StrixVaria It doesn't really offend me.

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria The future was grey and beige back then

badp

The Windows 95 UI was... not that bad. The icons were tiny and low-res and bad, but necessarily so.

Kevin van der Velden

14:15

@OrigamiRobot If you need some new buttons!

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka It's really fun to look at aesthetic design over the years.

badp

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria yeah, I wish more places cataloged it, especially with animations/in context, not just still screenshots

KernelPanic

@badp Is that a popup on the side, or is that just a "feature"? I can't tell. I used to play Pajama Sam, and some other stuff my cousin would hand me down, but that's it.

badp

@KernelPanic A feature you got through installing IE5, I'm fairly certain.

KernelPanic

14:17

@BenBrocka Nobody told Apple the news then.

@badp Reminds me of the preloaded software that prebuilt computers have, or it may have been different then.

badp

@KernelPanic They still have preloaded software.

OrigamiRobot

@Unionhawk Better XP than Vista.

Ben Brocka

Yeah prebuilts are still awful

badp

That is not a thing that ever stopped existing.

KernelPanic

@badp I never said they stopped doing it.

badp

14:19

@OrigamiRobot Provably wrong.

Jason Berkan

@KernelPanic The short lived Active Desktop. Too early for that idea - it brought most systems to their knees.

Ben Brocka

@KernelPanic OS9 was pretty damn grey

KernelPanic

@BenBrocka Laptops aren't bad, but I usually do a clean install. That or use something like Revo, CCleaner, and more.

badp

@JasonBerkan Short lived? It shipped on Windows 98, ME and 2000.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp also XP! You just had to turn it on

Jason Berkan

14:20

@badp Shipped != installed and / or used.

badp

The thing it was mainly good for, though, was crashing.

Kevin van der Velden

I think

KernelPanic

@JasonBerkan What? plenty of people still use desktops.

Ben Brocka

Laptops are tricky because you're basically forced into getting prebuilt. And sometimes they include important drivers

badp

@KevinvanderVelden I'm fairly certain XP is where it was removed?

Jason Berkan

14:20

Active Desktop

Active Desktop was a feature of Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0's optional Windows Desktop Update that allows the user to add HTML content to the desktop, along with some other features. This function was intended to be installed on the then-current Windows 95 operating system. It was also included in Windows 98 and later Windows operating systems until Windows Vista, where the feature was discontinued. This corresponded to version Internet Explorer 4.0 to 6.x, but not Internet Explorer 7. Users can add HTML both in place of the regular wallpaper and as independent resizable desktop it...

Ben Brocka

@KernelPanic Not active desktop--I actually don't recall ever hearing of that

badp

Kevin van der Velden

@badp Included with Windows 95 or NT 4.0 with Internet Explorer 4.0, Windows 98, Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003

badp

@KevinvanderVelden Ugh. I think SP1 removed it?

OrigamiRobot

I never even knew what Active Desktop was other than a feature that made you click a button to see your background.

badp

14:21

It certainly shouldn't be in SP3.

KernelPanic

@BenBrocka You can build them yourself, but it's harder, and sometimes more costly.

5pike

@OrigamiRobot Same

Kevin van der Velden

@badp not sure, I think it was just default off and fucked up your stylesheet when on

badp

@OrigamiRobot Active Desktop basically lets you set a webpage for your background.

That's all it did. Somebody thought it was a good idea.

It even let you have floating web pages on your background.

Like that ad bar thing up there.

Ben Brocka

@KernelPanic Well some places sell "customizable" ones, but the customization is pretty negligible compared to desktop and with major downsides (size, weight, heat)

KernelPanic

14:22

@badp A webpage as your background? that seems kind of cool, but in practice a terrible idea.

badp

Uh, IE4. Not IE5.

Jason Berkan

Especially as we were on 28K modems at the time.

badp

@JasonBerkan You'd use a local webpage obviously.

Ben Brocka

Could you set your entire background to be geocities under construction gifs?

KernelPanic

For the record IE is miles better than what it used to be.

badp

14:23

@BenBrocka Yes!

Ben Brocka

@KernelPanic IE11 is even almost good! I still never use it...

badp

and you could make them blink and marquee.

with different speeds.

in different directions.

The future was awesome.

KernelPanic

@BenBrocka Almost usable, but not quite.

Ben Brocka

Firefox finally killed Blink :(

badp

@BenBrocka CSS 3 animations to the rescue?

KernelPanic

14:24

I don't think IE has any alternatives for AdBlock, NoScript, and all of my addons.

Ben Brocka

@KernelPanic I actually think they do, my dad used "IE7 pro" (which was not only for IE7) to get adblock and stuff because he didn't use Firefox at the time. I don't know what browser he uses anymore

Arperum

@badp I remember that screen.

RedRiderX

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heh

Blem-ba Fett

:D

badp

@RedRiderX Not sure why image, but yeah.

Unionhawk

14:30

Oh man its cold out there... I should probably put pants on.

badp

Frank

Good morning, Bridge

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badp

I never got to use this one :(

Kevin van der Velden

@Unionhawk pant's are horrible but that is probably the only legitimate use for them

badp

We should totally get some Microsoft Comic Chat action going.

That would be really hipster.

5pike

14:32

@badp What the hell?

Unionhawk

Ben Brocka

@badp What the hell is that?

Jason Berkan

@badp Propose it as the next April Fool's joke.

OrigamiRobot

@KevinvanderVelden No, the solution is to not go out.

badp

uh, apparently it's merely an extension of the IRC protocol

Arperum

14:32

@badp There is an "assmaster" in your list of characters.

Kevin van der Velden

@OrigamiRobot sometimes it is cold inside as well

badp

@Arperum I blame Wikipedia.

5pike

Microsoft Comic Chat

Microsoft Comic Chat (later Microsoft Chat, but not to be confused with Windows Chat, or WinChat) is a graphical IRC client created by Microsoft, first released with Internet Explorer 3.0 in 1996. Comic Chat was developed by Microsoft Researcher David Kurlander, with Microsoft Research's Virtual Worlds Group and later a group he managed in Microsoft's Internet Division. Comic Chat's main feature, which set it apart from other IRC clients, is that it enabled comic avatars to represent a user; this character could express a specified emotion, possibly making IRC chatting a more emotive and...

OrigamiRobot

@KevinvanderVelden Wear a robe.

badp

> Microsoft Comic Chat installed a custom font, Microsoft Comic Sans, that users could use in other applications and documents.

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@BenBrocka

Kevin van der Velden

14:34

@OrigamiRobot hmm plausible

RedRiderX

@badp shrugs that's all that I found

Ben Brocka

> In the Netherlands popular radio DJs Coen Swijnenberg and Sander Lantinga decided to celebrate the font by having a comic sans day on the first Friday of July. Comic Sans Day has been held since 2009. Some Dutch companies, e.g. KLM, have their website in Comic Sans on this day.[14]

Yuki

@badp Honestly, that's one place where Comic Sans is actually appropriate.

Ben Brocka

What the fuck

RedRiderX

Ben Brocka

14:36

@Yuki There are other comic fonts

Kevin van der Velden

@BenBrocka I apoligize on behalf of my country.

Arperum

WOHOO. My IE8 bullshit crap thing works. and doesn't unbreak in other browsers. I officially hate it.

Ben Brocka

@RedRiderX I remember actually clicking on those Os in middle school. Those were dark times

Yuki

@BenBrocka So if you ever have alternatives, you should never choose [insert-specified-object]?

Ben Brocka

Dark times when school PCs still defaulted to Ask Jeeves

RedRiderX

14:37

@BenBrocka Hah yes dark times indeed.

Yuki

My only problem with Comic Sans is that people use it in stupid places. Like term papers.

RedRiderX

Ben Brocka

@Yuki You should when it's something generally reviled (and designed for low res screens)

Arperum

@RedRiderX I know I once ended up around page 20-something. And found what I needed there.

RedRiderX

@Arperum Wow

Good job

That's kind of amazing

Lazers

14:39

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Q: Can't sell Imperial items

I can't sell my surplus imperial items. When I check inventory it just tells me to summon a supply officer to make more

tiny-death-star

Yuki

Kevin van der Velden

@Yuki that should just be an instant fail, not for the paper just life in general.

Yuki

Pretty sure that's been posted here before.

RedRiderX

@Yuki Oh man that's pretty good

So true

Yuki

@RedRiderX Route 2 is where dreams go to die.

Arperum

14:40

@Yuki It makes me think of @Wipqozn for some reason.

Ben Brocka

@RedRiderX Most people in Pokemon lack the ability to walk more than a few steps a day

If you see someone actually walking you know they're a story character and it's a cutscene

Yuki

@Arperum It's probably because it's so ~~fancy~~ handsome and handsome.

5pike

OrigamiRobot

Ben Brocka

He doesn't just say it, he calls you. CONSTANTLY. Worst feature ever

Yuki

14:43

@BenBrocka You could just, I dunno, choose not to record his phone number...

Ben Brocka

I was HORRIFIED when playing Y that he would register me in some sort of pokephone and call me for the rest of the game

@Yuki He's like the first person you meet, long before you know they do this

Yuki

@BenBrocka They never call you unless you go back, talk to them, and ask to trade numbers. If you choose not to trade numbers (or delete them, which I think you could do in G/S/C), they won't call you.

Ben Brocka

I don't think you could delete them, or if you could it wasn't clear how

At the time it's just like "oh boy new feature, of COURSE I'll use it"

Lazers

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Q: What does my ship's distress beacon do?

Occasionally, I will have a play-through of FTL where my fuel supply runs dangerously low, and resupplies are few and far between. In these cases, I'm occasionally forced to "Wait" while exploring a sector, since I have no fuel to jump to the next way-point. I've noted that my ship comes equippe...

ftl-faster-than-light

Yuki

@BenBrocka Same method you use to call them, except you select "DELETE" instead of "CALL", I think.

Also, we should probably move all those Pokemon messages and images to our Pokemon room. It's getting lonely in there.

Ben Brocka

14:46

Drive out the non pokemon players! Drive them out I say!

kalina

I don't play pokemon

Kevin van der Velden

Blaah, I'm thinking I should go and buy pokemon

kalina

I WILL NEVER PLAY POKEMON

Ben Brocka

@KevinvanderVelden XY are really great

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Good. You're not allowed.

badp

14:50

kalina goes play Pokemon

fredley

@kal why not?

kalina

@OrigamiRobot I don't want to join your stupid club of stupid

fredley

I played Pokemon Red, was epic, not played since

kalina

stupid is infectious

just like I don't want to join your stupid club of stupid mtg

fredley

@kal why are you here then?

Blem-ba Fett

14:51

@fredley she is against the systematic capture and abuse of her people

Lazers

0

Q: Are call of duty clans constrained to consoles?

I know you can't play cross-platform, but can people who play CoD Ghost on a PC or Xbox join a clan that is mostly of PS4 and PS3 players? Apparently PS3 and PS4 can, we have 2 players competing with us on the PS3 platform, but how about the rest of consoles?

call-of-duty-ghosts

kalina

shuttup meat

fredley

MLP > MtG

kalina

SHUTTUP BLEM

OrigamiRobot

@kalina You probably wouldn't be able to understand the rules.

kalina

14:52

wow

Ben Brocka

Oh no someone burned @fredley

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fredley

I am unburned, but monochrome

badp

@BenBrocka oh burrrrrrn

fredley

If anything I'm less cooked

Arperum

@BenBrocka STOP MAKING ME WANT TO BUY A 3DS

Yuki

14:53

@BenBrocka No, that's clearly raw meat. It drops from all monsters.

Kevin van der Velden

@Blem-baFett @kalina is a POKEMON? :O QUICK BRING ME ALL THE MASTER BALLS!

Yuki

You can use it to make meat stacks and whatnot.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot this is quite a big statement coming from somebody ■■■ ■■ ■ ■■■■■ ■■■ ■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■ ■■■■■■■■■ >bzzzzZZZT<

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum buy a 2DS! They're like 2/3rd of the price

fredley

@kev kalina is Missingno

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kalina

14:54

information redacted for protection of sanity

tombull89

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Kevin van der Velden

@fredley this explains EVERYTHING

Blem-ba Fett

@KevinvanderVelden yea, there has been posted multiple pictures of her

Ben Brocka

@KevinvanderVelden eh, I'd rather buy a refurbed clamshell, I only like the XL myself

OrigamiRobot

@kalina What is this even supposed to be?

fredley

14:54

You need to hack your game to invoke/capture kalina

Kevin van der Velden

@BenBrocka I'm probably gonna buy a 3DS regular size

kalina

@OrigamiRobot behind each of those squares is something insanely personal

I COULD RUIN YOU IF I WAS MORE EVIL THAN I ACTUALLY AM

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Ben Brocka

@KevinvanderVelden IIRC you can get Nintendo refurbished ones for like $100

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Not going to happen, if I buy one of these things, it'd be the 3DS.

fredley

@kal is this some kind of personality roguelike?

OrigamiRobot

14:55

@kalina Nah, that doesn't bother me.

kalina

NO QUESTIONS, MEAT

Blem-ba Fett

Dec 12 '13 at 21:48, by Blem

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fredley

YOU WILL ADDRESS ME WITH MY POROPR NAME @KAL

God dammit

I HATE MOBILE CHAT

kalina

meat

fredley

Obviously that statement was not aimed at me

Arperum

14:56

@fredley What on earth is a POROPR?

fredley

Tum te Tum

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Here, get started

fredley

@arp I'm scared to even think

kalina

@OrigamiRobot I'm sorry, I have something called "a life", which is a condition that prevents you from being cast as a magic the gathering player. The two states are mutually exclusive.

Kevin van der Velden

@OrigamiRobot o.o I thought I understood MtG

Arperum

14:58

@OrigamiRobot Fuck that. ~200 pages of rules is way too much for any game.

fredley

Dnd

5pike

Every tabletop RPG...

Ben Brocka

Dnd works because 95% of the time you don't need 95% of the rules

Arperum

@BenBrocka This.

kalina

1 min ago, by kalina

@OrigamiRobot I'm sorry, I have something called "a life", which is a condition that prevents you from being cast as a magic the gathering player. The two states are mutually exclusive.

Unionhawk

14:59

@Arperum It's only 199. Not too bad.

Ben Brocka

Plus only one person has to know them

badp

If you are the person knowing the other 95% of the rules, you can cheat and have your way!

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka Most of that document is going into the details of every single keyword that exists in the game. You don't have to know them all.

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