The Bridge

5pike

15:00

@Wipqozn Ah, ok - is "Except you are a pilot" not a proper sentence?

fredley

> A 64GB Surface 2 will start at $600, the source said.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote How do I preach?

Ronan Forman

@5pike It is, but you meant except if you are a pilot.

Wipqozn

@5pike No, it is, but it doesn't make any sense in reply to my comment. It should be either "Unless you are a pilot" or "Except if you are a pilot".

kalina

@fredley yeah but this is the arm version, right?

fredley

15:01

@kalina Yup, that's the shittatron version

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Eh?

5pike

@Wipqozn @RonanForman Thanks for clarifying.

Ben Brocka

@PrivatePansy Almost certainly

@fredley fuuuu that means surface pro is going to be 800+

Private Pansy

@fredley The "Surface: Really Terrible" edition

5pike

Well, time to go home - later guys/girls.

fredley

15:01

> Surface Pro 2 will start at $900 for a 64GB version, according to the aforementioned source. There will be 128GB, 256GB, and 512GB models available at $1,000, $1,300, and $1,700, respectively, according to this source.

Wipqozn

@5pike No problem. I just thought it was typo. I assume English isn't your first language?

fredley

I hate it how they delineate the product solely by storage capacity. Screw you I'll buy my own larger SSD and bolt it in myself.

Ben Brocka

@fredley damn there goes my desire

Michael Dunfield

@fredley Don't phones do that too?

Well, Apple does anyway

I guess that doesn't really count

Ben Brocka

@fredley I miss customizable components. Love PCs for that

fredley

15:03

@MichaelDunfield Yes, it's become the standard selling point for gadgetry.

Ben Brocka

@MichaelDunfield nexus devices do it too

$100 for each storage doubling is common

fredley

Now the GHz war is over there needs to be a single metric that you can use to upsell to customers in a shop

Any more than one metric will confuse consumers

Base the way you design and price your gadgets around this

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Oh, faith training? You need I think 10 or 15 Faith to get access to the special action, then it's a special action just like Pickpocket.

fredley

Be it megapixels for cameras, inches for laptops or whatever, it's got to be a single metric.

Private Pansy

Wait, did they just say Windows 8.1 sans RT?

fbueckert

15:04

@GraceNote I get lots of faith training just from dreams.

fredley

@PrivatePansy engadget reports so

Grace Note

@fbueckert That's the primary means for it, yes.

Ben Brocka

fbueckert

And I learned, using an altar aligned to a different god can lead to...bad things.

fredley

> That means you can use split-screen, switch between users, etc.

Grace Note

15:05

In fact, short of scrolls, aforementioned preaching, and bookery, it's the only way to directly train faith.

Ben Brocka

Ohhhh surface 2 is real windows?

Grace Note

@fbueckert I take it you used a poor sacrifice to try and convert an altar?

Private Pansy

No, I don't think so

fredley

> "Because we're using the Windows 8.1 RT OS, we're able to protect and personalize this device."

fbueckert

@GraceNote Do corpses count as poor sacrifices?

Ben Brocka

15:05

@fredley Consumers are dumb

fredley

RT

Ben Brocka

@fredley hell

Private Pansy

> The updated model includes Nvidia's Tegra 4 processor, a 1080p display, and a new two-stage kickstand

Grace Note

@fbueckert If they're poor sacrifice value, yes.

fredley

@BenBrocka Yup. But I'd be the same if I was buying something I knew nothing about, like a car

Private Pansy

15:06

Tegra 4 isn't a x86 processor

Ben Brocka

Well no surface for me then

Arperum

@BenBrocka How many passwords does that crazy thing leave you to choose from?

Ben Brocka

@Arperum Entropy is probably hilariously low

OrigamiRobot

> In Elona+, preaching trains your and your pets' Faith

Private Pansy

@BenBrocka Wouldn't additional rules actually make cracking easier?

SaintWacko

15:07

@PrivatePansy Exactly

Arperum

@BenBrocka That thing is just screaming "Hack me"

fbueckert

@GraceNote Ok, so next question, then: how do you tell what the sacrifice value of something is?

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Ah, 15 is what I need to get to to be able to get my Black Cat.

fbueckert

I finally managed to capture enough monsters to get the gene splicer.

Grace Note

@fbueckert ♪

OrigamiRobot

15:09

@fbueckert Weight.

kalina

ouch

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Blood content?

kalina

plummeted 1.2k rep

SaintWacko

@fbueckert weight * 5, up to a max of 50, if I remember correctly

kalina

UNCONTROLLED FREEFALL DETECTED

fredley

15:09

> Julie Larson-Green is now playing some Halo -- the GPU has 72 cores.

Grace Note

@SaintWacko Yes.

Private Pansy

@kalina Cry about it over a cupcake?

fbueckert

@SaintWacko So, the heavier it is, the more value it has?

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods#Favor

Grace Note

So the heaviest you technically care for is 10.0s

SaintWacko

15:09

@fbueckert Yes. For corpses

kalina

@PrivatePansy I'm not crying, I just wanted to say the uncontrolled freefall line

Grace Note

I'm not sure where the cutoff point for conversion is, but for the most part, lest it's a 10s corpse I ain't gonna use it for conversion anyway.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I used a fish for conversion because all my corpses rot before I can get them anywhere.

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Do the puppy cave

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Fish are worth the equivalent of a 5.0s corpse for you.

OrigamiRobot

15:12

@GraceNote Yea, 25 favor even if rotten.

@SaintWacko They still rot.

Private Pansy

Rainyday.js - googledrive.com/host/0B36Z_Tkm2-4QOFd0dlpSLXowbzQ/demo1.html

Holy crap that looks amazing

fredley

@PrivatePansy Yeah, pretty sweet

OrigamiRobot

I die in the puppy cave all the time. I am so bad at this game.

fredley

I'm getting some boxes around some of the drops

Michael Dunfield

@PrivatePansy Cooooool

fbueckert

15:14

I think it's about time to get a ranch, and start breeding puti's. Need mah charisma corpses!

OrigamiRobot

I can barely keep 5k gold on me :(

fredley

OrigamiRobot

pls stop gif T_T

Private Pansy

Free one year of Skype wifi and international calls for Surface and Surface Pro

fbueckert

@fredley Unless that's super light, there's no way that's real.

fredley

15:17

Everything Hello Kitty, All The Time

Private Pansy

@fbueckert Reversed footage, the empty shovel going down is hanged from a wire?

fredley

@PrivatePansy I'm guessing there's a wire involved, the flight of the spade going up is way too smooth

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Is anything in particular (kobolds?) killing you?

SaintWacko

@PrivatePansy Meh. Drops don't combine when they collide

StrixVaria

OrigamiRobot

15:20

@GraceNote Usually me starving or being crushed from carrying too much.

fredley

> Surface 2 owners get 200GB of SkyDrive storage for two years.

That's a lot of storage

SaintWacko

@OrigamiRobot Those are both pretty easily avoidable

Private Pansy

@SaintWacko Yeah, that's the one glaring mistake

SaintWacko

Why don't you drop things when you're overweight?

Lazers

0

Q: Does each void level have a specific blueprint?

I know that you have to find certain blueprints by going to void missions, but does each type of mission have a different weapon (ex. Exterminate 1 gave me a dakra blueprint, and if I do exterminate 1 again, it will give me a blueprint for another dakra part), or is it random what weapon you will...

warframe

OrigamiRobot

15:22

@SaintWacko I know. Like I said, I am bad at this game.

@SaintWacko Because I don't see it until it's too late.

kalina

YES!

I managed to correctly use the word "Throbber" in an install meeting

and then got half of the management team to wikipedia it as proof that I wasn't making fun of them

Private Pansy

@kalina *golf clap*

kalina

@PrivatePansy \o/

Private Pansy

> We hate spam as much as you do, so Like us on Facebook or Follow us on Twitter to hear about next sale on games, music, and movies form Groupees

2

This seems... counter-intuitive

badp

@PrivatePansy I guess the idea is that if they don't have your email, they can't spam you with it

SaintWacko

15:26

@OrigamiRobot Ah

Michael Dunfield

@PrivatePansy I think their point is that they don't spam shit constantly on Facebook and Twitter. Which they actually don't.

They only post when there's a new feature.

kalina

@badp obviously overlooking the fact that spam is still spam regardless of how they get it to you

Ronan Forman

@kalina It's not spam if you ask them to send it to you.

Private Pansy

> Just checked, and 200GB of Skydrive costs $100/year ordinarily. Office Home & Business is $219. Surface RT is, essentially, being sold for $31

OrigamiRobot

@SaintWacko At any given time, I can say to myself "Oh, I better look down in the corner... uh-oh"

Private Pansy

15:27

Of course that's not quite how it works, but ha!

fredley

Oh crap

badp

I like how Microsoft's showing today that yeah, Apple is after all kind of running out of innovation space

Private Pansy

> -29 if you include the free year of Skype.

kalina

@GraceNote I'm still broken but now it's all of the other accepts

badp

although we haven't heard about the new iPad

kalina

15:28

I might just go through and unaccept/reaccept everything

save more database work

Grace Note

@kalina Eh?

kalina

oh weird

I'm not actually broken but the system spasses out when I unaccept/reaccept

RedRiderX

@fredley Incredibly cheap, but... those printouts look fairly rough.

kalina

if I open a bunch of my questions, unaccept them and reaccept them, my rep counter goes up +2 rep for each accept

but then I refresh and it falls back down

fredley

@RedRiderX Yeah, Dave turned me right off

Private Pansy

15:29

@fredley I linked that to you a while back, didn't you get the ping? :P

fredley

@PrivatePansy I don't click KS links from chat anymore

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Nooooooooooooooooooooooo

WHY

WHY DID I CLICK IT

RedRiderX

I'm not too familiar with 3D printing, could you sand it down?

OrigamiRobot

I HAVE NO USE FOR IT

BUT I WANT IT

SaintWacko

@fredley lol. They say it's a $100 3d printer/scanner, but if you want the scanner, it's $350

fredley

15:31

@RedRiderX Yes, with any 3D printing process you need to clean up the output of the printer

Private Pansy

@SaintWacko Bring your own camera for the scanner, presumably

Michael Dunfield

►

fredley

@SaintWacko ($100 3D printer) & Scanner

SaintWacko

> The Peachy Printer - The First $100 3D Printer & Scanner!

Private Pansy

So the new Touch Cover is basically one large touchpad

fredley

15:33

@PrivatePansy Cool idea, glad someone's looking at pressure-sensitive stuff

fbueckert

So, Star Command said an update was coming this weekend, and then...nothing.

@GraceNote Is it just me, or are most of the last god gifts...sorta sucky?

Ben Brocka

yep, $900. Oh well

OrigamiRobot

2 days ago, by OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I don't get the Wheel of Fortune

Grace Note

I think about how this character will be spoken of in legends, and it probably goes something like this:

> Got invited to yesterday's party, yanno? One of them high class ritzy parties with the slow music, so boring I was going to drink a glass of acid just to end it. But outta nowhere, this little girl crashes in riding this sweet bike. She plops down a jukebox, plays this upbeat number, and she and this army of robots and women all start doing a jig together. Yanno, I think that really turned that party around for me. For everyone. Even that creepy gravekeeper guy smirked and clapped.

Michael Dunfield

@GraceNote Hah

Grace Note

15:39

@fbueckert Don't burn a wish then, and stick to the normal gifts.

Private Pansy

@BenBrocka Power cover is $200 I believe

It's about as expensive as a mid-high range laptop

Ben Brocka

@PrivatePansy if you get the 8GB ram one plus power cover you could buy a fairly high-end laptop

at the 512GB level it's probably about the cost of a Razer Blade

Private Pansy

@BenBrocka Yeah, although the battery life should be better than a laptop, and slightly more portable

On the other hand you get smaller screen and less powerful hardware.

Ben Brocka

Yeah, just doesn't quite hit the right price for portable to me

$500-$600 for 128GB would be nice

Not sure why they even bother with RT

Private Pansy

Oh god Nightmares level 6 again

Now lets wait for the Steam announcement

RedRiderX

15:50

@PrivatePansy Hmm, do you have a profession?

Private Pansy

@RedRiderX Yeah, chose one at the start - Enquirer

RedRiderX

@PrivatePansy Have you been playing for a week or more?

Private Pansy

Not yet I believe, but should be close

RedRiderX

@PrivatePansy Ok, well that discussion can wait.

StrixVaria

RedRiderX

15:53

@PrivatePansy Have you tried some Laudanum?

Michael Dunfield

@StrixVaria Unown?

Grace Note

@StrixVaria HP Ice, 70 power, I assume?

StrixVaria

@MichaelDunfield Shitty-ass psychic pokemon in the shape of letters.

Private Pansy

@RedRiderX Haven't found that yet, whatever that is

Grace Note

Or, well, actually, I guess Psychic would work well enough.

StrixVaria

15:53

@GraceNote Possibly psychic for STAB.

Michael Dunfield

@StrixVaria Isn't that 'Unknown'? Not 'Unown'?

StrixVaria

@MichaelDunfield No, it's Unown.

Private Pansy

@MichaelDunfield Unown

Michael Dunfield

Huh. I didn't know that.

StrixVaria

The only pokemon word name they spelled right is "Electrode".

Michael Dunfield

15:54

Is that the letter U or something?

Private Pansy

Presumably it has Levitation, which is why the attack didn't work?

Grace Note

@StrixVaria Slowpoke

Private Pansy

@MichaelDunfield All letters of the alphabets, plus a few symbols

Michael Dunfield

@StrixVaria Electorb

StrixVaria

@GraceNote I knew that by saying that I would learn which ones I forgot about.

You fell for my trap!

fbueckert

15:54

@StrixVaria Where's that from?

RedRiderX

@PrivatePansy Check out Nikolas Pawnbrokers, it's a shop in the bazzar.

StrixVaria

@fbueckert Some kind of PC battle simulator so you don't have to spend a decade farming up the right team.

Private Pansy

Oh, for sale for one echo, right? Seem a little expensive

StrixVaria

@fbueckert It has all the same exact math and mechanics as the original games.

RedRiderX

@PrivatePansy It is, especially considering the... side effects.

StrixVaria

15:55

Even buggy stuff is preserved intentionally.

Grace Note

@StrixVaria I knew you only said it for that exact reason because I was thinking about the exact thing! Except I didn't know Electrode off the top of my head, naha!

StrixVaria

@GraceNote High five for teamwork.

RedRiderX

@PrivatePansy But it works, no denying that.

fbueckert

@StrixVaria Huh. Interesting.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Mr. Mime

Private Pansy

15:57

Steam announcement in 1h. Wonder if I should stay up for that

RedRiderX

@PrivatePansy I'm down to Level 2 Nightmares, so you could always confide in me if need be.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Golem

StrixVaria

3 mins ago, by StrixVaria

You fell for my trap!

Michael Dunfield

Mankey

StrixVaria

@MichaelDunfield ...

Michael Dunfield

15:58

@StrixVaria What? I thought we were just naming pokemon we liked

StrixVaria

@MichaelDunfield We're naming pokemon whose names are real words.

Grace Note

4 mins ago, by StrixVaria

The only pokemon word name they spelled right is "Electrode".

All Gen 1, so far, funny enough.

Michael Dunfield

@StrixVaria Oh. Right.

StrixVaria

For a while I forgot the real word sparrow (not that I use it very often) because of Spearow.

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Gloom

Private Pansy

16:00

Hot Skitty on Wailord Action

OrigamiRobot

Haunter

StrixVaria

For some reason I EV trained a Wailord once.

Full HP and split between Def and Sp.Def I think.

Michael Dunfield

Wailord is the coolest Pokemon name.

OrigamiRobot

Mew

Private Pansy

@StrixVaria It's good as a tank for stalling time?

Michael Dunfield

16:01

Ghastly

StrixVaria

@PrivatePansy I guess. It never did much but use up opponents' PP.

Michael Dunfield

Lucario

Private Pansy

Ridiculously high HP is what I can remember

StrixVaria

@MichaelDunfield Gastly*

@PrivatePansy He had over 700 HP ultimately, which was nice.

Michael Dunfield

@StrixVaria Doop.

Grace Note

16:03

High HP but the defense scores are mediocre for the most part.

Also, "Hoothoot" is about the only not-Gen1 example I can come up with so far.

Sepia Lazers

0

Q: Do tags also stand in for sequels?

If there is a tag for a game (generally this applies to less popular/proeminent games), can I use that tag for the game's sequel (this applies at least to the tag "sanctum", because sanctum 2 does not have a tag itself)? I know that most games already have a tag, even if they are sequels to games...

discussion

0

Q: Is there a 'tag-less' tag?

Is there a tag that we can use for games which we don't already have tags for? While we do have an extensive library of tags, there is no way we have a tag for every single game available on steam, in other countries (not America, I mean), for arcade, for mobiles, for consoles and handhelds and P...

discussion feature-request

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Mime Jr.

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot There's a second then, though partly derivative of a Gen1 example but it's still an example so it gets full credit.

StrixVaria

If we allow composites, then a few more are valid.

Like Skiploom and Nosepass.

OrigamiRobot

I'd say no.

Michael Dunfield

16:07

@StrixVaria 'Nosepass' is a terrible name

Grace Note

Naw, I'm not including composites.

StrixVaria

Private Pansy

Polygon, duh

No wait

StrixVaria

@PrivatePansy Porygon?

Private Pansy

Porygon. *sigh*

OrigamiRobot

16:09

Kabuto

Kabuto (兜, 冑) is a type of helmet first used by ancient Japanese warriors, and in later periods, they became an important part of the traditional Japanese armour worn by the samurai class and their retainers in feudal Japan. History Japanese helmets dating from the fifth century (long before the rise of the samurai class) have been found in excavated tombs. Called mabizashi-tsuke kabuto (visor-attached helmet), the style of these ancient helmets came from China and Korea and they had a pronounced central ridge. The kabuto was an important part of the equipment of the samurai, and play...

Private Pansy

I swear, there must be a 'Asians can't pronounce R and L differently' joke in there somewhere

OrigamiRobot

Persian

Michael Dunfield

@StrixVaria Looooooooooololololol

@StrixVaria A fearsome warrior

OrigamiRobot

@PrivatePansy It made me feel bad, but I couldn't help but chuckle to myself when my statistics teacher said "half alpha"

Private Pansy

@OrigamiRobot Lovely name, terrible Pokemon

kalina

16:21

A woman said to her programmer husband; "while you're out can you buy a loaf of bread, if they have eggs get a dozen" - he returned with twelve loafs of bread

Michael Dunfield

@kalina Hah

Jason Berkan

He should never return. The while loop has no exit condition.

kalina

@JasonBerkan well you see, that was the other one, I figured I shouldn't post two very similar things

also, five minutes until hometime

StrixVaria

@kalina Even assuming he can return from the while loop, he should have 13 loaves of bread, not 12.

He got 1, then he got 12 more.

kalina

I read that and thought you were being pedantic about the definition of a dozen

I didn't write the joke, stop poking holes!

Jason Berkan

16:26

Basically, he should keep buying 13 loaves of bread until the bread overflows.

kalina

god, some people

Grace Note

@StrixVaria So, basically, programmer logic results in getting an actual baker's dozen loaves of bread.

kalina

BREAD OVERFLOW

StrixVaria

@JasonBerkan Unless they run out of eggs.

Jason Berkan

@StrixVaria True, then he'll switch to buying single loaves until the eggs are restocked.

kalina

16:28

this is why programmers are boring to talk to

StrixVaria

I don't want to know what'll happen if he grabs 13 loaves of bread but then they run out of eggs before he gets to the counter to pay.

kalina

stop over analysing -.-

Jason Berkan

@kalina I thought it was our awesome anti-social skills.

user15026

Can he get any bread? Or is he limited to the type he picked first?

kalina

@JasonBerkan I can deal with the anti social stuff!

FEichinger

16:29

@StrixVaria Not really.

kalina

I'm now going home

Jason Berkan

@AshleyNunn Depends on the programming language.

kalina

please exit your while loop before I get back!

FEichinger

while(out) {
    buyloaves = 1;
    if(eggcount) buyloaves = 12;
}

No need for it to be 13. :P

StrixVaria

while(out){
    buyLoaves(1);
    if(eggcount) buyLoaves(12);
}

I am bad at formatting.

FEichinger

16:33

@StrixVaria Well, obviously the instructions are ambiguous.

StrixVaria

We need a BA.

user15026

@StrixVaria BA?

Jason Berkan

Business Analyst

StrixVaria

@AshleyNunn Business Analyst: Someone who talks to the client and figures out the requirements.

Jason Berkan

Talks to the business, then talks to the programmers, so business people don't have to deal with us anti-social types.

user15026

16:35

Ah, makes sense

fbueckert

aka: a social geek

FEichinger

BAs are the worst.

user15026

Sweet, I am not insane anymore.

3

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria At my job while I was in school, I had to do this and the work.

Coronus

@AshleyNunn That's great! are you sure maybe that's what they want you to think

kalina

16:45

I can't believe you've started breaking it down into code

Lazers

0

Q: What movie formats can I play?

What formats can my Xbox 360 play? When I try to play a movie off my USB on the xbox, often it works and sometimes it just comes up with a error saying that Xbox can't read this format.

xbox-360

Jason Berkan

@kalina And we're bringing in a BA to shore up the requirements!

user15026

@Coronus No, I am completely fine. Totally. Everything is okay. I am not crazy. I promise.

kalina

yes but now there's no way the joke will ever be funny again

OrigamiRobot

Now what will @kalina use to start conversations?

kalina

16:51

I would never say those words in that order in real life anyway

Private Pansy

@OrigamiRobot Ponies

kalina

I seldom talk about ponies either

Shiester

Oh boy, it's Monday! Time for another week of boring work, long hours, little pay, and chat about video game on The Bridge!

Coronus

@Shiester VTC as You Mentioned Monday

Kevin van der Velden

@Shiester video games are off topic on the bridge, we don't need no stinkin video games!

kalina

16:55

what are these "video game" you speak of?

is that like spotting the observers in each episode of Fringe?

badp

IT IS HAPPENING

what's the link again?

Kevin van der Velden

@badp store.steampowered.com/livingroom

That I presume?

badp

@KevinvanderVelden that link's so going to 500 in 60 seconds

Kevin van der Velden

@badp probably

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