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now, I'm 55 sage, he was 52 sage. This wasn't a HM run or anything, just one of the end game instances. He ...
Not everything needs to be set in stone. But if you want to buck the trend of us closing every single question that mentions piracy, period, we need to actually set up some consistency.
@OrigamiRobot The problem is that we have to establish whether the question is actually relevant to legitimate users first. "Does it work differently due to the piracy involved?", for instance.
So let me say this one more time. My approach to reposting that (mainly, comments in here and my "not a pirate" comment on the question) were not the best way to handle it. However, I think the fact that me reposting an identical question is fine (from an on-topic standpoint) but leaving the existing one is not shows a glaring flaw in the current system of dealing with things.
If you guys think it would make for a better meta discussion (when raven posts later) I can delete my question for now. But what you say is petty for me trying to prove a point I say is simply me proving a valid point.
@Sterno I can tell you right now that I would have flagged your question for a mod as non-commercial spam, if I hadn't had some glimmer of hope that the ensuing Bridge discussion would make you delete it on your own.
@Sterno It is erroneous (and due to the situation also borderline malicious) content. It's not commercial spam, or flooding, but it definitely needs an eyeball.
@fbueckert I'm assuming if/when we develop policy on meta around this, that if the underlying problem is not related to piracy, we then edit out mentions of said piracy?
@Sterno It's erroneous because it's technically a dupe (and you don't actually face the problem yourself). It's malicious because of the reasoning with which you posted it: To "prove a point", which translates to "out of spite that the other one was closed".
For me to support any questions that mention piracy, though, we need a concrete policy in place. No judgement lines, no, "Well, it might be legit.". A clear, concise policy to follow.
Anything mentioning a bug and piracy in the same question should be closed with a vengeance since they are the most likely to be problems specific to the piracy.
It's funny, because the entire reason you'd flag it has something to do with the user and not the question, which is the entire thing I'm arguing against in the first place.
Here's another thing... I'm with you that it's kind of a weird area when someone says "I have this problem... how do I fix it?" and then "P.S. - I pirated it", because we don't know if it's specific to the pirated copy. HOWEVER, as soon as even one person says "Yeah, I have the legit copy and the same thing", which is exactly what happened in this case, why is it even a discussion anymore of whether or not it's a valid question? Obviously it is. A legit user had the problem.
And that's the point at which forcing it to be closed seems absurd.
@fbueckert I honestly don't have a problem with the current "close for mentioning piracy" policy so much as I have a problem with people saying that helping pirates is always supporting piracy.
There are so many different pirated versions of games out there, that it would be almost impossible to differentiate that the problem is the same as the legit version.
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@GnomeSlice That doesn't make it any less frightening. And the theme doesn't make it any less frightening either since that's still the same lean as the pitch.
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@fbueckert If you're asking if the exact same bits of code are misfiring, you don't. I don't think we require that level of knowledge to be useful, though.
There's been a lot of talk recently about what it means to support piracy and pirated games. A very recent example is [this question], in which a user asks a question which is a valid problem for a legitimate copy of the game, but in which he admitted he's using a pirated version.
Even after i...
The only point I really want to stress is that helping someone who pirated the game is not in itself supporting piracy any more than selling someone a hot dog is supporting that person's choice of political party.
@OrigamiRobot Pirates asking for support for a product they didn't pay for - that's just disgusting (mind you, I have nothing against piracy itself, just don't shout it out to the world for Christ's sake). Helping them is not supporting piracy in itself, but it is (and knowingly so) supporting malicious behaviour.
When a question is asked, it's not just the asker's anymore. It's everyone's. Therefore, if it can apply to legitimate copies, it should be on topic regardless of who asked and whether or not they pirated it.
I think just putting an end to all piracy would be easier than getting the community to come agreement on the on-topicness of piracy related questions.
@Sterno I've known of some problems that are specific to certain pirated copies. Not just DRM the devs threw in, but things that the pirate group put in to "watermark" their releases.
What it really boils down to for me is this: If the only way piracy is involved in the asking and answering of the question is because the asker admitted it, and it has absolutely no other relevance, it seems like a terrible reason to close.
This is one of the only areas where I won't accept, "Use your judgement". Anything less than a clear cut policy will just keep this discussion going until the end of time.
I do not agree that every mention of piracy is supporting piracy, but there are a lot of other problems that it creates that I don't want us to have to deal with.
I believe that, until a concrete line can be defined, this question is still off-topic. As soon as someone suggests a concrete line that makes sense and will place this question into the on-topic side, we can re-open the question under the new rule, which I will gladly help enforce.
I just can'...
Either we come up with a consistent policy, or we just rage this debate back and forth until everybody gets tired of it, and whichever side has the most votes, wins.
There's been a lot of talk recently about what it means to support piracy and pirated games. A very recent example is this question, in which a user asks a question that turns out to be a valid problem for a legitimate copy of the game, but in which he admitted he's using a pirated version.
Ev...
I agree with @Sterno that closing a perfectly legitimate question just because it's pirated does seem silly, since as @OrigamiRobot point questions no longer belong to the asker once they are asked. On the other hand, helping someone with a pirated game does ruffle my feathers.
To relate it to another problem, if someone stole a cell phone, and they couldn't figure out how to change the time I wouldn't help them because they stole it.
@StrixVaria Is that a big picture thing? Whenever I plug my laptop in to the TV, it automatically resets the laptop display to the resolution of the TV.
@RedRiderX It does. That's why I'm wondering if it's less fuss to duplicate at all times, or have the TV act as a separate screen (because that'll involve switching primary displays, which I found to be very icky with 3 monitors)
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There's been a lot of talk recently about what it means to support piracy and pirated games. A very recent example is [this question], in which a user asks a question which is a valid problem for a legitimate copy of the game, but in which he admitted he's using a pirated version.
Even after i...
