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spyder

10:00

@fredley immodest question :)

Arda Xi

@fredley Hello.

badp

@fredley OMGWTF2. Go

fredley

@badp ?

badp

@fredley omg2.thedailywtf.com

fredley

@badp I do not have time to write this much enterprise code

Nice idea though

If I were to enter, I'd program it to collect data from a number of sources, Random.org, hard drive seek times, entropy from the mouse, cpu temp etc

Perform masses of statistics to normalize the data

Then comment out the call and replace it with a bit from /dev/random with a comment like 'This is probably good enough'

Arda Xi

10:06

Can I steal that idea and submit it

fredley

@ArdaXi Yes, please shout out to fredley in the comments though :-P

Arda Xi

But then I won't win

fredley

@ArdaXi Oh, well whatever

I'm not going to do it, so go ahead

Arda Xi

Heh, I'm thinking about the best way

fredley

@ArdaXi It just says that the work must be your own, not the idea. Just put the comment on the /dev/random line as This is much simpler --fredley or something.

Arda Xi

10:09

Hmm... I have to read up on entropy stuff

badp

@ArdaXi I think that's the wrong way to go

spyder

Bought on Steam the Majesty collection. Very nice games :)

store.steampowered.com/sub/15393/?l=english

badp

You just need something that outputs 0 and 1 kind of randomly

fredley

@ArdaXi Normalizing random data requires statistical heavy lifting

Arda Xi

@fredley Exactly.

badp

10:10

something like sin(time()) >= 0

Arda Xi

It will take ages.

@badp No, that seems like a good way to do it.

fredley

@badp No, you need an enterprise solution

If you can sum up how it works in a line of code you're doing it wrong.

badp

something like

sin(time()) is deterministic but it's kind of random

Arperum

@spyder Warlock master of the arcane is a load of fun in multiplayer. Haven't tried the other titles properly though.

badp

change that into a mathematical numbo jumbo that kind of gives you 1 some times and kind of gives you 0 some other times and at all other times gives you FILE_NOT_FOUND.

Change the inputs to that formula to your usual Java mangle of abstract provider proxy factories

Arperum

10:12

@badp And in case of file_not found, do something different

Arda Xi

@badp But that's a boolean. The program asked for one or zero.

badp

@ArdaXi "yes or no"

Arda Xi

"1, 0, FILE_NOT_FOUND" is a boolean

Obviously, the program does not ask for a boolean

Also, Pentadactyl apparently dislikes this chat

spyder

@Arperum yep. Water? Battleships? Ah, I have "lands rising" spell :)

Martin Sojka

@badp No, it should give you sometimes 0, sometimes 1, else throw an exception. One of FILE_NOT_FOUND, OUT_OF_MEMORY, ILLEGAL_OPERATION, WAIT_TIME_EXCEEDED and PRINTER_ON_FIRE.

badp

10:21

@MartinSojka No no no no no. You're doing it wrong. TRUE, FALSE, FILE_NOT_FOUND.

That's no exception, Luke.

Martin Sojka

@badp Pah, in-band signalling is so 2005.

Proper enterprise solutions have exceptions. Lots of them.

Arda Xi

I write Python now. Python is cool.

@MartinSojka What's wrong with that? I mean, other than in Java

Martin Sojka

@ArdaXi

try { file = sys.open(filename); file.write("blah\n"); file.close(); } catch (*) { sys.write("Something went wrong. Here's the unhelpful system error message, I can't be bothered going through 30+ possible exceptions this can throw: " + sys.lasterror.asString()) + "\n"); }

Arda Xi

What language is that?

badp

catch (*)?

it looks like Java but in Java you'd catch(Exception) instead

spyder

10:28

Java, I think

badp

I was about to guess C++ but there's not enough operator overloading abuse

Arda Xi

In Python you'd catch IOError

badp

@ArdaXi well here he's swallowing all exceptions for (humorous) purposes

Arda Xi

There's too little whitespace for this to be Python

spyder

...Although I haven't used Java for 4 years

badp

10:31

@ArdaXi pyBraces?

but then you'd spell out sys.stdout.write()

Arda Xi

@badp What the crap

No.

badp

I guess it's just SojkaScript

Arda Xi

Python is beautiful. :(

badp

# -*- encoding: braces -*-
# I appear to have burst into flames!

i = 5;
   if(i>4) {
 print "Hello World";
      }

my_name = "Bob";

print """

digraph G {
a -> b;
c -> c;
}
"""


while(True) {
print "Hi!";
print "This is a test", i;
i++;
if(i>10) {
break;
}

}

yesssssssssss.

Arda Xi

KILL IT WITH FIRE

Martin Sojka

10:33

@ArdaXi Random C++-ish, I didn't bother writing it proper.

Arda Xi

FIRE

Grumpy Lazers

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Q: Is griefing by mods in Minecraft really random?

When a creeper settled on the only part of rail in miles that had powered rails, I shrugged it off. When two creepers dropped on me from above without giving me a second of chance, just as I was passing over a lake of fire, I thought "bad luck". But when I ran naked at night, after a respawn, to ...

minecraft

Martin Sojka

The thing about "enterprise solutions" is: You use lots of third-party libraries and other services. Those libraries call other libraries (third-party and system ones) and "inherit" their exceptions. In theory, at least in Java, they would be nice enough to write which exceptions they throw per-method, in practice this doesn't happen much (or they just slap "throws Exception" on everything relevant). Also, they almost never tell you which exceptions they mask.

badp

@ArdaXi Reminder: in Python you can use the semicolon to separate multiple statemtents in the same line

Arda Xi

FIRE

WITH WHICH TO KILL IT

Martin Sojka

10:36

Then there's exception encapsulation ... have fun talking to a webservice implemented in J2EE connecting to a PL/SQL package on an Oracle DB.

Arda Xi

breathe, dammit, breathe

2 + 2 = 10

badp

@ArdaXi false;

spyder

@ArdaXi nope, 2 + 2 == 11

Martin Sojka

And then there's "fun" exceptions like Oracle's "ORA-04068: existing state of packages has been discarded" (which gets encapsulated twice when using web services usually: Once into a J2EE/SOAP exception, which then gets encapsulated into an exception for your client's programming language). Which means: "Oh no, somebody recompiled the package/procedure you wanted to call. And it worked. And the new one is ready to be used. And I know where it is. But I don't just discard the old one...

Arda Xi

@badp IN BASE FOUR! I'M FINE!

Martin Sojka

10:41

... and call the new one for you instead, I instead throw this exception."

badp

@ArdaXi True. I'll go with true.

Martin Sojka

@badp I actually like pybraces. It lets me hate having to deal with Python less.

Arperum

@spyder Ever seen a flying ogre hero clubbing dragons? I've seen it happen.

badp

@MartinSojka More power to you!

Is it actually something that can be used in real things that exist?

spyder

@Arperum LOL

Martin Sojka

10:46

@badp Yes, it is.

badp

Okay. The project page mentioning it's a joke doesn't give me a lot of confidence

(not that I would need it)

Arda Xi

@badp Probably, just like brainfuck

Arperum

@spyder There is some spell to create your own artifacts, and one of the effects you can add is "flying" wich results in whatver equips the artifacts goes hovering some distance up in the air.

Martin Sojka

Gaming news: Preliminary tests with launching Vanu Sovereignty main battle tanks into orbit encouraging. Crew and vehicle survival still an issue. Vanu leadership considers a partnership with Kerbal Industries for future developments.

►

badp

@ArdaXi No, I mean, I don't trust it to get dictionary braces from syntax braces right 100.00% of the time

Arda Xi

10:50

Makes sense

badp

I guess the colon might be a clear giveaway though.

Hrm

{try: sum(2,
3) == 5
catch: pass}

maybe some kind of stuff like that?

spyder

@Arperum It is necessary for me to play longer. I like to create a giant maps in turn-based strategy and a lot of players

Arperum

@spyder Same here, for example: Civ V: max players + max city states + max size + any other maxable thing maxed.

Martin Sojka

@Arperum "Max resources" sounds like a bad idea.

spyder

Poor traffic controllers :( This is horror: flightradar24.com

No idea how to manage SO MANY PLANES

fredley

11:00

@spyder What?

Martin Sojka

@spyder One at a time.

fredley

@spyder It's a little different from the iPhone game

Arperum

@MartinSojka I should have specified that maxing things can also be minimizing things.

spyder

But flight levels... You need to properly move planes between them

badp

@spyder no one controller is in charge of it all

fredley

11:04

Epic Google Streeview

4

Arperum

@spyder One random plane over the northpole. poor lonely one.

badp

Martin Sojka

That map is just showing the big commercial flights anyway. We have a bunch of smaller airstrips around Frankfurt/Main (EDEL in Langenlongsheim and EDRS in Bad Sobernheim are less than 15km from my home), and they (and their flights) are totally missing from the map.

badp

Europe > US. Obviously. It doesn't matter it's like 7am at best in the US.

@MartinSojka Yeah, quite a few minor companies' flights aren't there

@spyder btw you DO know there's air traffic controller games

the one for Linux is perhaps the best and the closest to the real thing

I think it's just called atc

atc - air traffic controller game

atc lets you try your hand at the nerve wracking duties of the air traffic controller without endangering the lives of millions of travelers each year. Your responsibilities require you to direct the flight of jets and prop planes into and out of the flight arena and airports. The speed (update time) and frequency of the planes depend on the difficulty of the chosen arena.

> gtte4ab2 Plane G: turn towards exit #4 at beacon #2

Arda Xi

Only I would try and start Eve right in the middle of downtime

Also wtf is this launcher

kalina

11:13

the new launcher is gay

also, NO CONTINUUM EPISODE TODAY?

FML STUPID BROADCASTING BULLSHIT

Arda Xi

@kalina Clearly.

fredley

@kalina How homosexual of it

kalina

also, EVE Is offline

fredley

@kalina How beneficial for your employer

Arda Xi

@kalina I mentioned that did I not?

kalina

11:15

what with it being downtime, the same thing they've done for 10 years at the same time each day

@fredley I am not at work

fredley

@kalina Why not?

kalina

I woke up, went eugh, went back to sleep, waited for them to phone me, said I was sick

Arda Xi

Oh well, more True Blood

kalina

oh well, more futurama

fredley

@kalina Oh well, more productive work

kalina

11:16

nothing you do is productive

Arda Xi

@kalina You are not a very nice person are you

3

OrigamiRobot

@kalina FAKER

kalina

I am an awesome person

@OrigamiRobot story of my life

Martin Sojka

Hmm, looks like Snowden will likely be on board of AFL150 right now.

... which flies very close to the US east coast. He might even be able to wave in the general direction of Washington, DC as they fly by.

Arda Xi

Ah, better. I think.

Yes.

How did I live without this extension

fredley

11:26

@ArdaXi que?

Arda Xi

@fredley Pentadactyl. Firefox without a mouse.

Fork of Vimperator, in fact.

fredley

@ArdaXi Sounds...difficult

Arda Xi

It's as difficult as Vim. But also as powerful.

kalina

@ArdaXi EVE is up

badp

I find that on Chrome if I really need to I can use Ctrl-F to get most of the way there

like, try Ctrl-F Search ESC

Arda Xi

11:28

@badp Now try clicking a link without your mouse.

badp

ctrl-F info ESC ENTER

Arda Xi

f37

Alternatively, finfo

badp

follow link number 37?

Arda Xi

@badp Yes. When I press f, I get numbers next to all the links

badp

eh, it saves you a few keystrokes I guess

bbl lunch.

Arda Xi

11:29

It saves you a whole lot after a while. Like vim.

€20 for two months. Okay, I'm tempted.

New intro vid. Fancy.

Those vids never fail to get me really excited about the game.

kalina

@ArdaXi what is your character name in EVE so I can send people after you in a swarm

er... I mean send you isk

Arda Xi

Oh, in that case

I'll give you one guess ;)

kalina

IS IT @BADP?

Arda Xi

Yes.

kalina

oh

well that's no fun

Arda Xi

11:37

(Hint: It isn't)

kalina

:(

I'm normally so good at these games

Arda Xi

What games

kalina

oh well, I am busy multiboxing an asteroid belt into my cargo holds

Arda Xi

(It's Arda Xi)

Also, the client managed to crash

kalina

WOW REALLY?

my clients never crash

Arda Xi

11:40

no

kalina

if it's not going to work, the launcher just doesn't start

it's a good launcher

Arda Xi

no it isnt

kalina

I was being sarcastic

Arda Xi

No you weren't

kalina

seriously

Arda Xi

11:41

Seriously.

kalina

mining my life away

Arda Xi

What life?

kalina

I had a life before I started playing EVE

Arda Xi

That's what they all tell themselves

kalina

ever since I started playing EVE I just seem to be signing up for more and more accounts

I seem to be getting stuck into a feedback loop where one day in the not so distant future I will be running a room full of PCs to play 70 accounts, flying around New Eden mining everything

spyder

11:46

EVE is so difficult and boring for me. It's like Excel in 3d. I easily learned what is FLOOD, VISUAL, HOJ, "burn" ECM interference, feauters of AN/APG-63. But EVE...

kalina

EVE isn't hard at all

the hardest part of EVE is the fact you have to wait months of real time to train stuff

Arda Xi

Oh, yes, skill queue

Thanks for reminding me

spyder

Easier to attack two targets with AIM-120 than playing EVE

:D

kalina

If you can't play EVE, you're trying too hard to make it more difficult than it is

spyder

@kalina it's boooooooooring...

Arda Xi

11:48

Why do I have Aurum

kalina

@ArdaXi I don't know

Arda Xi

I don't want this

kalina

maybe you spent real life money on digital clothing

Arda Xi

How do I turn it into plex

kalina

I'm sure there is a way, ask a question about it so @MadScientist can answer

Arda Xi

11:49

Oh cool I'm a person

kalina

how long has it been since you played EVE??

Arda Xi

@kalina Let's see

spyder

►

AN/APG-63

kalina

don't get too enthusiastic about it though, you only get to walk around like 100m3 of space

Arda Xi

@kalina About two years ish?

kalina

11:50

I've only been playing ~5 months so far

Arda Xi

Date of Birth: 2008.06.17

Ah... so I am the veteran here

kalina

and so far, I'm nearly completely neutral in terms of account cost

Arda Xi

I currently have 86m apparently

kalina

eh, veterans are a decade old

86!

lol

Arda Xi

It's rather little

I'm not sure why

It's been two years

kalina

11:51

you might be able to buy some ammunition with that

Arda Xi

:D

Hmm... I should mine probably

So train for hulk

kalina

well, exhumers in general

Arda Xi

I have one I think

Grumpy Lazers

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Q: What is the Drift attribute for a car?

I have been trying to get a feel for what high or low Drift might mean for controls. I'm still unsure. Does high Drift mean the car sticks to the road less, allowing easier drifting? Does high Drift mean the car, on the contrary, sticks to the road? Assuming high Drift means no adherence... doe...

driver-san-francisco

0

Q: X-Box 360 cant get online

I just got a new Internet Provider and setup the internet just yesterday. The broadband is provided via a modem "Netgear CG3200". My computeres are setup in a different room via my own ASUS router, and works like a charm. My probleme is - if I connect the X-Box to the Netgear CG3200 directly, ...

xbox-360

Arda Xi

Not a hulk

kalina

11:52

how many skill points do you have?

spyder

Btw, my joystick for flightsims :)

Arda Xi

@kalina 8M

8.236.333 to be precise.

kalina

@ArdaXi wow, you sure you played for 2 years?

Arda Xi

On and off, yes.

kalina

most of my chars have around 8 mil sp already

badp

11:55

now kiss

I'M SORRY I HAD TO

Arda Xi

Looks like all my ships are in Isenairos

spyder

@badp ;D

kalina

@ArdaXi that is quite some distance away from me

Arda Xi

Where are you?

kalina

hibi

Arda Xi

11:57

I'm in a shuttle

These things are laughably tiny

kalina

proskills

I managed to condense my entire EVE setup down to a single monitor

Arda Xi

Is autopilot still so horrid

kalina

yes

Arda Xi

meh

what the crap is safety

Why does my ship have a safety

kalina

stops you from flagging yourself

Arda Xi

11:58

:o

kalina

Arda Xi

So really it like stops you killing yourself

kalina

yep

Arda Xi

@kalina you need help

kalina

and stops you from turning yourself into a target that can be killed without repercussions

Arda Xi

11:59

Technically, it just stops you breaking the law

Hmm... I'm closer to Jita than I thought

kalina

@ArdaXi well yes and no, if you're a suspect people can attack you in highsec without concord doing anything about it

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