The Bridge

Unionhawk

6:00 PM

repcapped

goddammit

Why is it that stuff like "Link doesn't speak." is always the most highly voted

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk Because you don't need much experience with the games to be interested in the question and the answer.

Unionhawk

I guess

murgatroid99

It's the same reason that good game identification questions are highly voted

Origami Robot

cc @AshleyNunn

Unionhawk

It's just amazing how with one exception and one exception only, the rep I've gotten from an answer is inversely proportional to the amount of time it took me to write it

20 mins ago, by Unionhawk

I think it is only fitting that the 40000th star is a @Wipqozn removal

Oh wait

Actually that's not entirely true

I guess it's just minecraft-commands that both takes forever and tends to have exactly 1 user interested.

Origami Robot

6:06 PM

@Unionhawk I think that's a dumb joke

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot Yeah

It's a better joke than "something star worthy" being 40000th star

Origami Robot

And also run into the ground, but that's SOP for The Bridge.

Unionhawk

Yep

Why stop at running a joke into the ground?

Lazers

0

Q: Is There a Tally of the Number of 12 Win Arena Players?

It seems the players who make it to Legendary each month is pretty public. What about the players who make it to 12 wins in the arena? Is there a list somewhere? I've heard that arena is getting more difficult with the increase in randomness from Goblins Versus Gnomes.

hearthstone

murgatroid99

Does anyone know where I can find our meta discussion about banning developer intent questions? I'd rather not rehash the entire argument on BCG

Origami Robot

6:13 PM

@murgatroid99 uh oh

Link?

murgatroid99

58 mins ago, by murgatroid99

-3

Q: Why didn't whomever created EDH allow Planeswalkers to be Commanders?

I've been wondering this for awhile because it makes no sense to me. Yes I know the only legendary creatures unless stated otherwise thing but really planeswalkers are in their own way legendary creature. They're quite rare unless you buy them outright or trade and I've personally never found one...

magic-the-gathering mtg-commander

Unionhawk

Hang on, I'm going oldest to newest in allowed-questions right now

17

Q: "Why did They design it that way, anyway?", and why do we allow or disallow these?

We get an unusually large number of questions along this line. This question comes up because of this recent closure. I'm bringing it up because our handling of this is... inconsistent. This question is roughly identical in nature to the above, except it's not downvoted at all (possibly due to b...

discussion allowed-questions

thank you based GraceNote

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk Yeah, I just found that one too

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 Ugh, I want to VTC but POB feels so wrong

Unionhawk

POB doesn't seem right, yeah

murgatroid99

6:19 PM

I feel like the argument on the last comment on that question is one I've seen before almost verbatim, but I can't find it on Grace Note's question

Frank

@murgatroid99 Don't forget the whole, "expertise vs. new sites" angle. It's refined the argument slightly.

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 I've definitely seen that argument in chat before

Unionhawk

That's a dumb argument.

Lazers

0

Q: Why no animals?

In my Minecraft private survival game I've built my house in a small valley, and I'm surviving on a small wheat and watermelon farm. This is because there are no animals. There are other mobs like Creepers, but not a single pig, cow, or chicken in sight. Help please? (;.;)

minecraft

Frank

@murgatroid99, Re "We have no way of knowing the mental state or decision making process of whoever made that decision". That's not true at all. There could have been a press release, an interview or a forum post, or maybe someone here is EDH's creator's best friend and can ask him. You don't need ESP to determine what was someone's intent. — ikegami 13 mins ago

That one?

Wipqozn

6:23 PM

@Frank yeah, that argument comes up all the time with developer intent questions

murgatroid99

@Frank yes

Wipqozn

> maybe someone here is EDH's creator's best friend and can ask him. \

I wouldn't even know how to respond to that.

murgatroid99

I don't know how to explain to him that "It might be possible to obtain an answer, but probably isn't" isn't good enough

Frank

@Wipqozn And my response for us is always: "If it requires a developer to have talked about it in order to answer, then it doesn't play to our expertise. We're no longer doing anything but repeating what a developer has said."

Origami Robot

Because the ability to answer this question isn't about "expertise" so much as "they gave us a reason (this time)"

GnomeSlice

6:26 PM

Door

Origami Robot

It's a question about the decisions of the EDH RC, not about EDH itself.

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot Unfortunately, I don't think BCG has given as much thought to "expertise" and how it affects on-topicness as we have

Frank

The entire class of questions is problematic as
1) It requires the developer to have talked about it to answer.
2) It doesn't actually require the core expertise to answer.
3) The question will garner rumor and speculation as answers, especially in the case of these questions the developer HASN'T answered.

Mostly #2, for me.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice ?

Origami Robot

@GnomeSlice OPEN DOOR

Frank

6:29 PM

Incidentally, the other questions being used to defend that one would also get closed here, I think.

Chippies

@Frank also, such answers can only be confirmed by a dev or a quote from dev on a reputable site

Frank

@Chippies That, too. But that's part of #2.

Chippies

so even if you were a friend of the dev, you can't confirm it

Origami Robot

At least for questions about card banning, you can talk about powerful card interactions. Those can basically be reworded to "What makes X so powerful?"

Frank

Finding motivations of design choices has no capacity for independent verification.

murgatroid99

6:32 PM

@Frank I think that's part of the problem. It's harder to argue with precedent

Frank

@murgatroid99 Which is why pointing out the problematic nature of those questions on Meta might get you the support you need for closing those questions.

As for that particular one, that's a common argument here. And it's always, "Whether they've talked about it or not is irrelevant. These questions don't leverage the core expertise."

murgatroid99

@Frank I could. And I probably will when I have more time. But I suspect it will just end with "those questions are highly voted, there is no problem here"

GnomeSlice

Hahahahahaha this is how the bandcamp app copies an album link to clipboard for you;

Frank

@murgatroid99 Which is actually a bigger problem. The community doesn't properly understand their nature. Perhaps giving a few scenarios, and pointing out what expertise is not in play might help?

GnomeSlice

omg best album ever: mildperil.bandcamp.com/album/molasar

Lol it adds the OMG part

murgatroid99

6:34 PM

7 mins ago, by murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot Unfortunately, I don't think BCG has given as much thought to "expertise" and how it affects on-topicness as we have

Frank

@murgatroid99 They're still in beta. Now's a really good time to try to get them to think about that.

@Frank that's true

@orig It's locked.

GET YE FLASK

No

6:36 PM

Any way you look at it, the answerability of a question makes for poor quality metrics.

Origami Robot

Maaaan, why can't I get ye flask?

GnomeSlice

It's behind the locked door

Kick Door

CARESS DOOR

Smash door

6:37 PM

@OrigamiRobot DAmnit, that was going to my next joke

man, we think so much alike

GnomeSlice

The door ignores your advances

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot I'm certainly not going to tell thou

Origami Robot

WHISPER SWEET NOTHINGS TO DOOR

Rapitor

what the hell is going on

2

GnomeSlice

The door has been hurt too many times for that to work again

How do I do mono space on monile

Mobile

> cjdvvd

Er

Unionhawk

6:38 PM

`Monospace!`

GnomeSlice

I don't think I can make that character

Lame

Origami Robot

RESPECT DOOR'S BOUNDARIES

GnomeSlice

wait

Unionhawk

I think 4 spaces might do it too?

TheAce

yo yo yo why are we exicted about doors?

Unionhawk

6:39 PM

Not really no

It does full preformatted

GnomeSlice

the door is smugly satisfied

Unionhawk

Not just monospace

GnomeSlice

It might help if I had actually ever played a text adventure

Unionhawk

No it wouldn't

GnomeSlice

Also this bus 'station' is freezing

Origami Robot

6:40 PM

ASSERT HOPE THAT THE DOOR WILL STILL BE FRIENDS

GnomeSlice

And like totally open to the wind almost

the door clearly wants you to go away so it opens

GG

Yay bus is here

Origami Robot

CARESS BUS

GnomeSlice

The bus picks up GnomeSlice at his touch and drives off into the sunset

Secret ending unlocked

Origami Robot

How romantic.

GnomeSlice

Gggggggg

Unionhawk

6:44 PM

SCORE: 23

GnomeSlice

A text adventure bot for chat would be fun

@fredley

Lazers

0

Q: Minecraft Inventory Saving

I am making an RPG map, and was wondering how to "save" the game. If you die, you would revert back to a save that happens automatically or manually, and I was wondering how to have it so that you will have all the items you had then, and none of the items you got after you saved (so /gamerule k...

minecraft minecraft-commands

GnomeSlice

^ toomanyitems maybe

StrixVaria

@Lazers This is kind of a gamedev question...

Unionhawk

There's definitely no way to do it in v... wait... Maybe?

StrixVaria

6:47 PM

But other command block questions are allowed.

I don't like Minecraft.

GnomeSlice

The part about him making a map could be taken out and the question would be unchanged

Unionhawk

@StrixVaria Command blocks have created this really, really weird grey area of things

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice It's still asking "how do I program this thing in this esoteric language?"

So the unchanged part is still a gamedev question.

GnomeSlice

Shrug, if its a game about programming it's still a game

I guess?

Also I love it when somebody uses 'esoteric' in a sentence

Unionhawk

I think it's worth discussing

Origami Robot

6:49 PM

@GnomeSlice Esoteric Order of Dagon

GnomeSlice

Pls no

Who is Dagon

Origami Robot

GIS it

GnomeSlice

You use that in town of salem

Unionhawk

I wouldn't be opposed to migration (after discussion with people), but at the same time there's a difference between commands used in a mapmaking setting and commands used in general.

StrixVaria

@Unionhawk Yeah, it's just weird.

Unionhawk

6:50 PM

Yes

As it is, I don't think there's a way to do it in vanilla

GnomeSlice

omg best album ever: sayakstriker.bandcamp.com/album/never-surrender

This is funny

It automatically adds that

Origami Robot

@GnomeSlice vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/lovecraft/images/9/99/Dagon005.jpg/…

Unionhawk

If there was a way to copy some entity data, like, copy a player's inventory to a chest, it could be done. But there is not.

And handling multiple players would get weird fast.

GnomeSlice

Pretty sure that's lord woo fak fak

@orig

Origami Robot

... wat

GnomeSlice

6:52 PM

@Wipqozn the app does it, not the website

Like if you go to the share thing and do 'copy'

That's what it copies

Origami Robot

No, that's an angler fish

GnomeSlice

Yeah

Unionhawk

It's the whole "android copy url" thing adds extra text thing

GnomeSlice

Like dagon

Wipqozn

Plan for when I get home: Pizza, Evolve, Your mom, Burn.

I wonder if @Yuuki is still planning to buy Evolve.

GnomeSlice

6:54 PM

iOS too apparently @uni

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn How far are you in WoR?

Origami Robot

Dagon is a Great Old One, like Cthulhu

MBraedley

@StrixVaria I feel it'd be off-topic at GameDev.SE, which I realize doesn't mean, in and of itself, that it should stay open here.

Wipqozn

@StrixVaria It's possible I haven't read it since the last time we talked since I've been too busy playing MH4U

GnomeSlice

Is evolve fun. I was in the closed beta but never played it

StrixVaria

6:55 PM

@Wipqozn :|

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I'm enjoying it.

@StrixVaria I'm so sorry

Origami Robot

I watched @Wipqozn play Evolve and it seemed fun.

GnomeSlice

I need to try duelyst

I got into closed... Alpha? For that

Wipqozn

The biggest problem with Evolve is the pricetag.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot honestly, you said Dagon and my mind jumped to Elder Scrolls

StrixVaria

6:55 PM

@MBraedley Yeah, I don't spend time there so I don't know their rules. These questions are kind of bleh here, not entirely off topic but not really playing into our expertise either.

Wipqozn

Given that they plan to have a DLC heavy model, then the core game really should be cheaper.

GnomeSlice

Duelyst probably means hartacon tactics will never get made though ;(

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I think it's beta, isn't it?

Either way, let me know how it is. Looks fun.

GnomeSlice

Not sure

MBraedley

@StrixVaria It's a bunch of command block programming, which we've been mostly accepting of.

GnomeSlice

6:57 PM

Is @sterno a Great Old One too?

StrixVaria

@MBraedley Yeah, I'm not too upset about it. Just wanted to bring it up in case anyone felt strongly.

MBraedley

@Wipqozn I don't think the pricetag of the game is too bad. The price of all the DLC, which is effectively required, is the problem.

Origami Robot

He's certainly an old one, but I'm not sure about his capitalization status.

StrixVaria

@sternthulhu

Frank

@StrixVaria Not a huge fan, but generally, they're a pretty good area of expertise.

GnomeSlice

6:58 PM

@Wipqozn have I shown you a game called Hartacon Tactics? Or Gravia Tactics? Both look pretty interesting

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice I do not believe so.

GnomeSlice

Duelyst definitely has more money behind it than either of those

And a bigger team I think

Wipqozn

@MBraedley Yeah, I basically agree. The DLC is way too expensive. The way I look at it is that if you're making a DLC heavy game, then your base game should be priced lower.

It just makes good business sense. Lower price point = lower barrier of entry = more player

GnomeSlice

I had that problem with dungeon defenders

Lazers

-1

Q: Why doesn't a PS3 hitachi hard drive fit into one which originally had a toshiba?

I swapped PS3s, and one of them had a toshiba hard drive. This could easily go into both of the PS3s. However, the original one was a hitachi, and couldn't go into the one which had the toshiba. I've done by research, and it seems Hitachi and Toshiba hard drives are both reputable for the PS3 sys...

ps3 hard-drive

GnomeSlice

6:59 PM

Really expensive unless you get it in a sale

djsmiley2k

I can be room owner? D:

Wipqozn

@djsmiley2k Room ownership is a very special and powerful privilege. It's not something to be given or taken away on a whim.

GnomeSlice

.......

djsmiley2k

hehe i didn't actually expect it :P

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice :)

GnomeSlice

7:01 PM

I get it

2

djsmiley2k

yeah, @GnomeSlice ;D

Stack Exchange

StrixVaria has added Wipqozn to the list of this room's owners.

StrixVaria has removed Wipqozn from the list of this room's owners.

Wipqozn

Damn it @StrixVaria, that completely contradicts everything I just said!

StrixVaria

@Wipqozn I had to remove you for saying this, but you weren't a room owner.

Wipqozn

I'm just sad I wasn't quick enough to remove @Unionhawk as a room owner.

StrixVaria

7:03 PM

gfycat.com/GleamingRapidAfricanrockpython

2

GnomeSlice

Mission accomplished: not getting lost busing to new place from work

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria "I ain't even mad"

Arperum

@StackExchange I click this link to see context and the first thing I see is gifs of people turning microwaves in hellfires with CD's. Sounds like Bridge had a productive time while I was away.

Wipqozn

Well, this is glorious. Contains a shirtless man though, so may be NSFW depending on your work.

StrixVaria

The worst part about being mod is that my name can never be slanty, even if I'm owner. Why do blue things and slanty things have to be mutually exclusive?

MBraedley

7:06 PM

@Frank I haven't read the entire question, but it doesn't look like he wants to write a bukkit plugin or some mod, but just do it in stock Minecraft. The Minecraft questions over at GameDev (when they're actually about Minecraft and not just tangential) are mostly about plugins and mods.

GnomeSlice

Somebody star for me

Frank

@MBraedley I'm not arguing that they're off-topic at all.

GnomeSlice

Toon link gif is amazing

Wait I can do it

Frank

I'm saying that command block questions are generally accepted here, even if they are programming.

MBraedley

@Frank Maybe I just confused the "they're" in that post.

Frank

7:07 PM

@MBraedley Yeah, that's why I clarified.

Lazers

0

Q: why wont my skyrim load from the main menu

I am having problems with not even getting to play the game. I got the game for Christmas and i played it for a while and then stopped the next time i tried it i press play and choose my storage device then two seconds later it freezes completely. But if i play as a guest without saving i can sta...

technical-issues

Origami Robot

It's supposed to be 77F on Wednesday

StrixVaria

I thought it's supposed to snow Thursday.

Fuck, it's supposed to snow 6-9 inches on Thursday.

This is the worst.

GnomeSlice

> In Synchrobeatings, you play the frustrated conductor of an ensemble. It's concert night, and your band No Sync is playing horrifically out of sync. When waving your conductor's stick around doesn't work to get the band in sync, you turn to violence!

hahahaha

Origami Robot

~30 degree swings :(

Unionhawk

7:17 PM

All right, I give up. Someone with more eloquence and more bcg rep tell them all about why "why did they design it this way" is bad

Arperum

heh, we got the first spring weekend predicted. So warmer temps. IIRC like 10-14C

GnomeSlice

Wunderground is a satire fakenews site about the EDM scene, why are you looking up the weather there

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot A week ago we had a 30C temperature swing.

Unionhawk

I don't believe you.

Origami Robot

@JasonBerkan Ugh, that sounds horrible.

You need to move to a better climate.

Jason Berkan

7:20 PM

@OrigamiRobot It was over 36 hours, though. -33C Sunday morning to 0C Monday afternoon.

Origami Robot

@GnomeSlice I'm not, I'm looking at thefuckingweather.com

@JasonBerkan Cheater!

Jason Berkan

Then by Tuesday night, it was -28C again.

Origami Robot

1 min ago, by Origami Robot

You need to move to a better climate.

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot Nainamo, here I come!

Chippies

the temperature swings look bigger with Fahrenheit than it does with Celsius

Unionhawk

7:29 PM

Yes

30C is 80F

Though... Wait, that's not entirely correct

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk Ridiculous

Lazers

0

Q: How do I target players in a non-radial manner?

I own a server, and have built a large indoor structure at spawn. I would like new players to spawn inside this structure. Upon research, Minecraft automatically spawns all players at the highest available y position, meaning players will spawn on my roof instead of inside. I've tested this mysel...

minecraft

Unionhawk

A difference of 30C is a difference a about... Like 50F

dT = 30C - 0C = 80F - 32F

Chippies

@Unionhawk depends on the temperature

Powerlord

You could just multiply it by 9/5

Chippies

7:33 PM

-40C = -40F

Unionhawk

@Powerlord shh

Chippies

the higher it goes, the bigger the difference

Powerlord

There are 9 degrees Fahrenheit for every 5 degrees Celcius.

Chippies

@Powerlord that's not always true, I'm pretty sure

Unionhawk

@Chippies yes it is

murgatroid99

7:34 PM

@Chippies It's a linear relationship

Chippies

> °C x 9/5 + 32 = °F

(°F - 32) x 5/9 = °C

Unionhawk

Degrees F = 9/5 * Degrees C + 32

murgatroid99

@Chippies Exactly

Chippies

@murgatroid99 well, you didn't mention the +/-32

Unionhawk

It's still linear

Powerlord

7:35 PM

@Chippies That's because 32F = 0C

murgatroid99

@Chippies I didn't mention any numbers

Powerlord

y = mx + b <-- standard formula for a linear relationship.

Chippies

Oh well, switch to celsius already, America!

Unionhawk

@Powerlord pretty sure standard form is Ax+By=C

Chippies

@murgatroid99 it's linear, but the difference grows

murgatroid99

7:36 PM

@Chippies And that still means that a difference of X degrees Celcius is a difference of 9/5 X degrees Fahrenheit

Chippies

@murgatroid99 well, that, yes

murgatroid99

@Chippies that's what we were talking about

Chippies

I was originally commenting on this:

5 mins ago, by Unionhawk

A difference of 30C is a difference a about... Like 50F

StrixVaria

C = ((F+40)/1.8)-40
F = ((C+40)*1.8)-40

murgatroid99

@Chippies yes

StrixVaria

7:37 PM

These are the equations I use.

Powerlord

@Unionhawk Well, one is the general form and the other the slope intercept form if you want to get technical.

StrixVaria

It plays off them crossing at -40 degrees, and I find it easier to remember.

Powerlord

@StrixVaria I used to use those, but then I got over it.

Chippies

I usually use x C to F or x F to C in google

murgatroid99

@Chippies Obviously, that was an estimate. It's actually 54F

Chippies

7:38 PM

@murgatroid99 I thought about it and I realized I was thinking of it differently, I think

I don't even know what I was thinking anymore

murgatroid99

@Chippies you were probably thinking of the difference between the C and F representations of a given absolute temperature, instead of the C and F representations of differences between temperatures

Unionhawk

Delta temperature is strictly the 9/5 relationship because the 32 component washes out in subtraction

Chippies

@murgatroid99 probably, that would make some sense

MBraedley

Meanwhile in Canada

Powerlord

@MBraedley I heard about this.

Origami Robot

7:49 PM

This question is on topic. Just because you don't know how to do the math, doesn't mean I don't.... :) — John Feb 26 at 20:26

MBraedley

@Powerlord I, unfortunately, don't have any of the old bills.

Origami Robot

Actual on-topicness aside, that's not how you determine on-topicness...

Jason Berkan

In my experience, board gamers are the absolute worst at understanding how statistics works.

Powerlord

@JasonBerkan You misspelled "gamblers"

MBraedley

@OrigamiRobot I think it's more in response to this

Jason Berkan

7:52 PM

@Powerlord Yes, sorry. Gamblers are worse then board gamers. I just haven't had many statistical arguments with gamblers. Other than "why are you buying more than one lottery ticket?"

Powerlord

@JasonBerkan Well, statistically speaking, if those tickets aren't identical numbers, buying two tickets DOES double their odds of winning.

From 1 in 102i10i349u5348u5u3453489u5 to 2 in102i10i349u5348u5u3453489u5, but still...

StrixVaria

@JasonBerkan That way if someone else got the same number as me I still get the majority of the winnings.

Jason Berkan

@Powerlord But still indeed.

Powerlord

Whoops, I just noticed I hit some letters in my "randomly hit the keyboard to generate plausible numbers" thing.

Jason Berkan

@StrixVaria Oh. If you are playing the same numbers more than once, that is a bit different.

Personally, if I was going to buy lottery tickets, I'd probably try to figure out the least picked numbers and go with those, for the same reason. If lightning strikes, you want all of it.

Origami Robot

7:56 PM

Whenever someone says "lottery ticket" I automatically assume they mean scratch tickets for some reason.

StrixVaria

There comes a point, when the pot is big enough, that on average you win more than you lose if you buy a ticket.

I'm way too lazy to think about that and the odds are still so bad that I don't ever play the lottery.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria I thought the total pot was always less than the sum of the costs of all the tickets

Otherwise, whoever is running the lottery never makes any money

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 In some, there's the possibility of no winner, so the pot carries over to the next time.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria I thought the tickets carried over too

StrixVaria

If there's no winner a bunch of times in a row, then the pot for this one can be big enough to make it worthwhile to play this time only.

@murgatroid99 I don't think so.

I might be wrong, though, in which case there isn't a point where you ever win and the lottery is dumb.

Actually maybe it still makes sense to buy a ticket if the pot gets big enough, even if the tickets do carry over.

I'm too lazy to actually think too hard about this, though.

Origami Robot

7:59 PM

MtG is a more fun lottery than the real lottery.

Lazers

0

Q: Do you play blockheads? How to remove glitched areas and blocks?

Did you play blockheads at a server called Odawa and built a giant castle in the sky before the server was passworded? How can you remove glitched spots or blocks created by hackers removing items that they should not be able to remove? A glitched area is an area that you can no longer place a bl...

blockheads

murgatroid99

The problem with dealing with expected values, though, is that even if it's in your favor, you still expect to lose over your lifetime

Jason Berkan

@StrixVaria You'll earn more money working for the same amount of time you spend thinking about it.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I have 7 plains, does that mean I win? It's like a super-flush.

@murgatroid99 Usually!

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria No, I mean in a probability theory/Markov model sense

StrixVaria

8:00 PM

@JasonBerkan Thinking like this makes me do a lot of weird things.

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 Sorin Markov?

murgatroid99

You can calculate how much money you'll probably have after X time, and it's going to be negative

StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 I know; the amount of time it takes on average to get the win means you'll die before you win. But there's some draw to the lottery that makes people keep playing it.

Frank

@StrixVaria The hope that they'll beat the odds and become obscenely rich.

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria Spoiler alert: it's the money

StrixVaria

8:02 PM

I've heard the lottery described as a "poor tax".

Chippies

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: The Lottery (HBO)

►

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria The draw is that probability doesn't match intuition

Chippies

cc: the ones talking right now

murgatroid99

People think "there's a chance," even though there really isn't

Origami Robot

The best is when people win like $500 on a $1 scratch off and use that as justification for buying tickets for the rest of their life

StrixVaria

8:02 PM

@murgatroid99 There really is, but they don't comprehend how very, very tiny it is.

Chippies

If you buy one ticket and it doesn't win, you think maybe the next one will win. Eventually you have bought a lot of tickets and you feel like if you quit now, all of the tickets you've bought were just a waste of time and money

(which it is, but...)

StrixVaria

Just double down every time you lose at Roulette and you are guaranteed to win!

Origami Robot

@StrixVaria "My chance is as good as anyone else's"

Chippies

@StrixVaria assuming you don't run out of money first?

in which case, you probably don't need to win at roulette to begin with

StrixVaria

@Chippies There are also max bets at casinos for exactly this reason, but yes that could be a problem.

murgatroid99

8:07 PM

The problem is that gambling is basically a weighted random walk, and if you have to stop when you run out of money, the bank always wins at that in the long run

Jason Berkan

@StrixVaria Max bets, as well as the black slot which is an auto-lose, which moves the odds into the house's favour.

murgatroid99

I'm pretty sure that even if you're doing an unweighted random walk (your expected winnings over time are 0), the bank still wins if you stop when you hit 0

Lazers

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Q: Can I fully upgrade all weapons?

By which I mean are there enough weapon parts in Panau to upgrade all black market weapons to level 6 (assuming vanilla game)?

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SaintWacko

@StrixVaria I've heard it described as a tax on the stupid

Origami Robot

I'm going to buy a ticket on the way home and if I win, my one data point will negate this whole discussion.

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murgatroid99

8:14 PM

@SaintWacko The problem is that poor people often also have less education, on top of their greater incentive to play the lottery

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot I ate today, so world hunger is solved.

Jason Berkan

Last week we were discussing my Dad not having electricity as a kid - my kids didn't have Internet this morning, and they freaked out a little. Times have changed.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria I felt cold this morning, so global warming doesn't exist

badp

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StrixVaria

@murgatroid99 Senator Inhofe brought a snowball to a senate meeting to prove that global warming doesn't exist.

murgatroid99

8:19 PM

@StrixVaria And then we had that conversation, but in reverse

Yuuki

@Wipqozn Currently, I have little motivation due to Monster Hunter. Maybe I'll bite after some time passes or a sale happens.

Wipqozn

8:36 PM

@Yuuki Yeah, that's fair

Mosnter Hunter is why I've barely played evolve in the past few days

GOing to take some time to paly tonight though

In fact going to paly right now

Rapitor

yeah, I've barely even started MM3D since getting it (same day as MH4U)...

Monster Hunter is evil in its addictiveness.

Origami Robot

@Wipqozn I'd watch if I were home

Lazers

8:53 PM

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Q: can i download a game on 2 diferent ps4?

If I just bought a game on playstation network can I download it on an other ps4 and play with an other account!? I tried it with ps3 and it didnt work so I asked myself maybe they fixed something new

ps4

badp

oh good.

now TF2 crashes on launch.

Just what I wanted for christmas

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