The Bridge

Sterno

5:06 PM

@fbueckert How is it not a problem to solve?

fbueckert

@Sterno The problem is, "I don't know what's your problem"

Sterno

I don't know. The edited version looks pretty clear, but it was all there in the original too

Other than it being two questions in one

fbueckert

@Sterno There's two different problems, maybe. 1) How do I find the boss of the first temple, and 2) I can't get to the end of the game.

Sterno

Indeed.

fbueckert

The second question isn't much a problem.

If he's stuck at the first temple, we can limit the question to that, and he can continue playing.

Sterno

5:10 PM

"Not much of a problem" is not a close reason.

Hell, we've got stupid questions like "Who was the voiceover at the end of Mass Effect 3?"

that's not a real problem

and it's a dumb question

but it's not closeworthy

But I definitely agree there are two distinct things going on in that question

Powerlord

@BenBrocka I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not

Considering that I don't think Zynga has made an original game in its entire existence.

fbueckert

Not much of a problem is easily NARQ. "Help, I can't get further!" isn't something we can answer without further details.

In which case, we can limit it to just the extra details, as in, "I can't find the boss of the first temple."

Sterno

@fbueckert Citation needed.

fbueckert

@Sterno For this example, not enough information has been provided to answer the question.

I'm unsure how, "Halp, I'm stuck!" qualifies as a question at all.

If they add in information about where they're stuck, then we got something to work with.

Sterno

Okay, I'm not sure which part we're arguing about. Not being able to find the boss, or wondering about the game over? Because neither seem to be "Help I'm stuck!" with no info

fbueckert

5:16 PM

> i have tried to get to the end of the game but i cant find the boss battle for the first temple

From the original revision.

Tried to get to the end of the game. First temple. He's at the beginning of the game.

That's the part that threw me off when I first read it.

Sterno

I see. I kind of read the "tried to get to the end of the game" as irrelevant.

fbueckert

And to be fair, finding the first boss isn't really a problem, either, without more details.

Sterno

Your thinking is that it means something to him that we don't understand.

fbueckert

That means he's stuck in the dungeon, somewhere.

kalina

also, I'm sorry @fredley - I didn't mean for it to happen

@fbueckert so he does

fbueckert

5:20 PM

Without knowing where he's stuck, the best we can do is give him a walkthrough of the entire dungeon.

Sterno

@fbueckert Okay, I haven't played the game, so I will concede I may be wrong, but in general for games I don't believe that's true. I believe one can summarize where a boss is in most games (after you go to room x and do y, you put the A on the B to open Z and fight the boss!) and that's enough for most people to realize if they're missing a step

kalina

what question are you talking about

Sterno

Without having to post a step by step walkthrough of the entire dungeon

kalina

A WILD @JAYDLES APPEARS

Sterno

-2

Q: Finding Boss in First Temple

I have tried to get to the end of the game but I can't find the boss battle for the first temple. I have tried looking everywhere in the temple but Girahim isn't there. Where can I find him?

zelda-skyward-sword

Shotgun Ninja

5:21 PM

WHOA @Jaydles

kalina

@Sterno eugh

Powerlord

...wow I was just mentioning XY problems somewhere else and I come here to find a possible related situation.

fbueckert

@Sterno That could work for this one.

kalina

@Sterno technically, if he replaces all of his ambiguities with place names and more specifics, it is a real question

Sterno

Half of the Legend of Grimrock questions were like this. We can't assume people have perfect knowledge of how they're stuck. if they did, they probably wouldn't be stuck

kalina

5:22 PM

but for the time being for sure, it's difficult to work out what he's asking

which is very much the exact wording of that particular close reason

fredley

@kalina What's all this fuss?

fbueckert

Most Zelda dungeons are made up of puzzles, though, so it will take quite a bit to write up everything in the dungeon.

fredley

I'm on a train by the way

but NOT ON MOBILE CHAT!!!!!!!!!!

fbueckert

@Sterno It doesn't need perfect knowledge.

fredley

YEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kalina

5:23 PM

@fredley I knocked you off row 3 :(

fredley

@kalina I HATE YOU

fbueckert

But we need more than, "Can't find boss in first temple, help."

fredley

BUT NOT THAT MUCH DON'T WORRY

kalina

are you using autocad?

fredley

ALSO WHY AM I NOT ROOM OWNER?

kalina

5:24 PM

I tried upvoting you to stop it from happening but it was too little too late

Sterno

@fbueckert Even if that's true, which I'm not sure it is, then we as closers need more than "vote NARQ, not explain why we aren't able to help you"

kalina

@Sterno this

fredley

I AM ALWAYS USING AUTOCAD

fbueckert

@Sterno I VTC'ed pre-edit. I had no idea what it was he was asking.

I voted based on that.

Sterno

Fair enough. I'll give you that original form was a mess since it was asking multiple things.

fredley

5:25 PM

@Sterno NARQ is dead, long live whatever the new VTC reason is

Sterno

I figure editing it down to one question is more helpful to the new user than closing it and telling him to do it on his own though, since the latter will probably never happen

kalina

@fredley NARQ is too localised

fbueckert

@Sterno I come from the "Teach a man to fish" school. I'm not a fan of trying to save questions where little effort has been expended.

That said, I've asked him to provide more information. If it gets provided, we can always re-open it, but I sorta doubt it will be.

fredley

@Sterno NARQ is dead, long live whatever the new VTC reason is

kalina

@fbueckert There are many reasons that would make something look like there wasn't much effort expended, one of those is "not being very good at English", and closing questions for that reason is appalling

fredley

5:27 PM

Damn this shitty train wifi

Also, new spreadsheet column

fbueckert

@kalina That's not why I VTC'ed, and you know it.

Sterno

@fbueckert Yeah. Nobody fishes anymore, old man. :)

kalina

@fbueckert I'm not saying you did, I'm just poking holes in your argument

because that's what I do.

fbueckert

@kalina Well, if you're going to make grand, sweeping statements, feel free!

murgatroid99

Dammit, @badp, how did you get 2 upvotes in the 12 seconds before I posted my answer?

badp

5:29 PM

@murgatroid99 I have no idea, but I upvoted you

kalina

@fbueckert also, his question does suffer from a little bit of bad English

fbueckert

@kalina There's bad English, and there's an unholy disjointed mess of a question.

kalina

@fbueckert they can be one and the same!

Sterno

I still think the current edited version of the question is answerable though. Does it take a little extra effort? Sure. But I do not believe it requires an entire puzzle by puzzle walkthrough of a dungeon.

In other news, the maker of Solium Infernum just released a horror roguelike

Which I must now buy and ask questions about that no one will ever answer.

badp

3

Q: Stuck at the start of Locke's third of the story

Towards the start of Final Fantasy VI, the plot splits in three chunks. On the left chunk Locke apparently tries and succeeds in keeping the empire busy, but now he must escape the city you start the story in. You have access to three areas: "Duncan's Training House, where an NPC tells you to ...

final-fantasy-6

related?

My first revision of the answer was just the first paragraph once I found the answer on my own, but then I expanded the post as I figured out how to progress

fredley

5:32 PM

PONIES PONIES PONIES

@fredley yes?

@fredley NO

I can't decide which pony I like the most

it's either Fluttershy, Twilight Sparkle or Rainbow Dash

or Pinkie Pie

fredley

@badp sigh

@kalina Pinkie Pie

Imagine MLP without each pony in turn

badp

5:33 PM

.. ↑ BEST PONY

The one you can't have

fredley

@Sterno ponies ponies ponies ponies FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY

kalina

@fredley each pony adds a certain element to the show, it would suck if any of them were missing

except maybe Rarity

Powerlord

@kalina True that.

murgatroid99

@kalina Twilight Sparkle

fredley

@badp Image not loading

kalina

5:34 PM

TWILIGHT IS IMPORTANT

Sterno

I had to watch two episodes of My Little Pony with my 3 year old niece

badp

@fredley uploaded on imgur

Sterno

I still don't know why you guys watch that by choice.

murgatroid99

@Sterno which episodes?

kalina

@Sterno you're too old to get it, we understand

fredley

5:35 PM

@kalina Rarity's a bitch

Sepia Lazers

1

Q: Can I transfer my answer?

I answered a question and later on that question was marked as a dupe. After checking out the original question closer I realized that my answer to the dupe answers the original question better (in my opinion) than the excisting answers. Can I transfer my answer to the original?

feature-request closing answering

Powerlord

@Sterno Which series? Friendship is Magic?

kalina

must be hard being in your 50s

fredley

@kalina Now it looks like you like twilight

Sterno

@murgatroid99 I don't know. But in one they were singing "99 buckets of oats on the wall" and I died a little inside

kalina

5:35 PM

@fredley but, Fluttershy is important too

Sterno

@Powerlord yes

kalina

and Rainbow Dash is less important but is awesome

and Pinkie Pie isn't really that important at all but is funny

Sterno

@kalina Power Rangers suck too

fredley

@kalina Rarity is not important

Dresses are, at the end of the day, not important

kalina

@fredley Dresses are occasionally important

murgatroid99

5:36 PM

@fredley Yes she is

fredley

@kalina Are they as important as the magic of friendship? I think not.

@murgatroid99 In what way? All she does is knit or something.

kalina

in exactly the right circumstance

DIE YOU STARRING FIEND

fredley

MODS ARE ASLEEP, FILL STAR LIST WITH PONIES

kalina

...I will find you and steal all of your stars

murgatroid99

@fredley Her character is more complex than just sewing

badp

5:38 PM

mods are awake and shaking head in disbelief, silently

kalina

@badp I'm sorry you don't get ponies either

badp

I'm not

kalina

hey guys, if we post enough ponies with @Jaydles here, we might get mentioned on the podcast for spamming ponies

Powerlord

@Sterno I don't remember this being a song in Friendship is magic.

kalina

;p

murgatroid99

5:39 PM

@Powerlord It's in Sleepless in Ponyville. Sweetie Belle sings it

Powerlord

Wait, maybe it was, because Google is bringing back... yeah, that

Grumpy Lazers

0

Q: Is getting wolves early still viable?

I used to play Jungle Trundle all the time, and when they changed him to fit into the Freljord story line, I had no problems adapting because riot basically buffed him. But the recent change to the jungle and how the creeps spawn is making me weary of using the troll with a club, or jungling at ...

league-of-legends

Shotgun Ninja

anyone else playing A Dark Room?

kalina

no, it reminded me too much of candy box

badp

"You are likely to be eaten by a grue"

kalina

5:41 PM

and I saw weeks of my life flash before my eyes

fbueckert

@ShotgunNinja A little.

Shotgun Ninja

yeah

fredley

STAR LIST IS ASLEEP, MOD PONIES

5

fbueckert

It's sorta interesting.

Shotgun Ninja

its a fun distraction from work ;p

murgatroid99

5:42 PM

@ShotgunNinja yes

fredley

@ShotgunNinja Is that a candy-box-like?

@fredley guess so.

@fredley yes

Bums. I ought to finish mine

@kalina inf

@kalina *squee*

Shotgun Ninja

5:46 PM

Anyone else in agreement as to how expensive scales are?

Ullallulloo

murgatroid99

@ShotgunNinja agreement about what?

Sterno

@Powerlord Google says yes: youtube.com/watch?v=7sgWsy9WO5w

apparently that was already answered 10 minutes ago

I was actually working at work!

fbueckert

sigh

-1

A: Specific strategy for Order decks when playing the "Death from Above" trial

Do you have a link to the GrumpyCat video on Order strategy that you mentioned? NOTE: Not sure why my question was deleted earlier...I was asking RLH to give some more detail on his original post. Since the original question asks about strategy when using an Order deck, I would think that a link...

Ullallulloo

This looks cool: desura.com/games/projekt-w-phase-2

Fluttershy

5:51 PM

So, a friend of mine has a friend who is a severe MS fanboy. Upon hearing about them removing the Internet check and DRM from the Xbone, he messaged her with, "See? Microsoft is a company that listens to their fans." <_<

fbueckert

@Fluttershy facedesk

They listened only after the amount of backlash showed them their console would die a slow, agonizing death.

Powerlord

@Sterno @murgatroid99 already mentioned that

badp

5 more games with badges

Wipqozn

@fbueckert It's quite clear they didn't expect their to be so much backlash.

Powerlord

@fbueckert The would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for that Sony and its pesky non-restrictions.

Shotgun Ninja

5:54 PM

@murgatroid99 Agreement about how ridiculously overpriced scales are. They don't help the flow of the game at all.

Wipqozn

They probably expected some, but not enough to make a notable dent in sales.

fbueckert

@Powerlord They were banking on Sony announcing something similar.

Fluttershy

I blame the consumers for the initial rumor mill influencing the DRM stuff. Would MS or Sony even thought about it if the fanbase wasn't up in arms about it, pre-announcement? Hmmmmmmmm.

FAE

@James Did you realize you can save Designs with Mabel? You can save up to 72 with her, which lessens the need for alts for designs.

James

@FAE Do they remain active in your world if Mabel saves them?

fbueckert

5:57 PM

@Wipqozn That sharing plan that all the fanboys were going gaga over seems to be more of a demo plan than a sharing one.

murgatroid99

@ShotgunNinja just wait to get them in traps

Fluttershy

Also, @kalina, there is only one best pony.

FAE

@James Not quite sure what you mean by that.

kalina

@Fluttershy yes, and which one it is depends on my mood

Wipqozn

@fbueckert Yeah, I heard about that.

James

5:58 PM

@FAE If I use say 8 tiles to do my walk ways and then save those tiles off, will they still display or will they be whatever I change those 8 tiles to ?

Powerlord

@FAE Is it bad I thought this was a spambot until I looked who posted it?

Fluttershy

@kalina It is not mood related. There is only one best pony, regardless of mood. =P There can be only one!

kalina

@Fluttershy tonight is the night when four become one!

fredley

Pinkie Pie is best pony all of the time

Fluttershy

NO

kalina

6:00 PM

Rainbow Dash is the best

Powerlord

Whoa, wait, the MLP movie is already in theaters?

fredley

@Fluttershy PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY PARTY!!!!!

Fluttershy

@kalina If by "best" you mean "worst", I agree.

Wipqozn

@Powerlord Yes.

kalina

@Fluttershy no the worst is obviously rarity

fredley

6:00 PM

@Powerlord What MLP movie?

Wipqozn

@kalina No, Pinkie Pie.

I hate Pinkie Pie.

Powerlord

My Little Pony: Equestria Girls

My Little Pony: Equestria Girls is a 2013 theatrical animated musical adventure film written by Meghan McCarthy, directed by Jayson Thiessen, and produced by Hasbro Studios. The film premiered across limited screens in the United States and Canada on June 16, 2013, with plans for worldwide home media release later in 2013, followed by broadcast on the Hasbro-owned Hub Network. The film is based on the animated series My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, but re-envisions the main characters, normally ponies, as human characters in a high school setting. The film's plot, taking place afte...

fredley

@Fluttershy RD is mid-tier pony

kalina

pinkie pie is fun

Wipqozn

Rarity is awesome. She's so stuck up, and a huge drama queen. I can relate to that.

2

fredley

6:01 PM

@Powerlord *shudder*

Powerlord

@Wipqozn Pinkie Pie is funny and sings. :(

fredley

Fluttershy did sing the best song though

Powerlord

@fredley Which song are you talking about?

fredley

@Powerlord You know which song

Wipqozn

@Powerlord I find her to be really annoying.

Although I understand why people like her.

6:02 PM

Pft

The best pony ^^

@James I'm not crying... I just have something in both my eyes.

fredley

@James Pah

fbueckert

@ShotgunNinja Hah! I gave a beggar 100 furs, and he gave me 20 teeth in return.

James

@Fluttershy Let the waters of compassion flow freely!

fredley

6:04 PM

Rarity is as bad a pony as Scootaloo

Powerlord

Is it bad that I like Sweetie Bell more than I like Rarity?

Fluttershy

Sweetie Belle is best CMC

fredley

@Powerlord Yes

Yes it is

Wipqozn

@Fluttershy What?

fredley

Apple Blossom is worst pony

Wipqozn

6:05 PM

Oh, cutie mark. Yes.

Fluttershy

Apple Bloom, you mean?

fredley

@Fluttershy Yes

Powerlord

I wonder if that's because Sweetie Bell if funnier in the parodies.

FAE

@James Just checked, what is actively displayed is still tied to those 10 in your inventory it seems. Changed one out and it changed.

Powerlord

►

Wipqozn

6:05 PM

More like Apple Loom! HAHAHAHAHA

Also, Big Macintosh is awesome.

fredley

@FAE Shhhh. Everything is off-topic except ponies.

3

@Wipqozn Yyyyup.

Ben Brocka

@Powerlord nope.avi

James

@FAE That is what I thought from what I had read.. So yeah that is why I have the alts

Wipqozn

@fredley We should ban @FAE for breaking the rules.

FAE

@James Gotcha. :)

fredley

6:07 PM

@Wipqozn Give a ban long enough to watch all of MLP:FiM

badp

Little is more humiliating than losing pl_barnblitz on defense

James

@FAE They can sit quietly in their houses and maintain my walkways :D

badp

Perhaps losing cp_egypt on defense

Powerlord

@badp As a Pony?

fredley

@Powerlord @badp shhhhhhhhh!!

badp

6:07 PM

@Powerlord everything is humiliating as a pony.

No exceptions.

fredley

@badp YOU WOULD KNOW

Wipqozn

@fredley We can call it a Pony Ban!

badp

@fredley I've seen a lot of people getting themselves humiliated!

Wipqozn

pony banned

badp

Singing drunken songs

Powerlord

6:08 PM

Speaking of Egypt... that reminds me, I was going to go edit the plugin someone tossed at me a few years ago for creating prop_nobuilds and saving them to a file.

fredley

@Wipqozn brb, posting on meta

James

@FAE In either case, I have my new town with all my people up and running. And I have already had 2 new people move in to town almost right on top of each other.

Powerlord

I imagine it'll piss quite a lot of people off if I nobuild the arch on egypt 2.

badp

@Powerlord Do that then put up a 24/7 Egypt server

fbueckert

After the success of the Candy Box, I'm hoping we'll get some more minimalist games like that.

fredley

6:09 PM

@fbueckert Alright alright, I'll try and get more done over the weekend

Powerlord

I would say "and the house on cashworks" but that got changed in later versions of the map.

fredley

identify-this-game

Sconibulus

@fbueckert like this one that got posted the other day? adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com

fbueckert

@Sconibulus Yup

I'm giving that a shot.

Powerlord

@badp Have you ever played Prop Hunt? I'm looking into adding prop rotation to it.

badp

6:10 PM

I have. What do you mean "prop rotation"?

Powerlord

Like making the rotation snap to where you are when you press attack3

and pressing it again to remove the rotation.

Unfortunately, I can't make it work like turning does I don't think, as there's no input sent to the server when a player's eye angles change.

...wait... I totally forgot I could have some logic in OnGameFrame for that. Maybe even in the player's Think event thingy.

badp

@Powerlord um, I thought this was already bound on mouse2 normally

Powerlord

@badp That locks you into place

Right now, props can only rotate on one plane.

badp

@Powerlord including rotation, right?

Sterno

@Powerlord I'd already mentioned he already mentioned it!

Powerlord

6:15 PM

@badp Well, each object in TF2 has 3 axes. Player models only change the yaw by default. The pitch and roll don't change.

The point is that I want to make it so you can change the pitch and roll.

badp

oh. I'm... not sure that's helpful

Usually prophunt maps have props that are only rotated in... yaw

Powerlord

@badp Ah, but there are some that aren't.

Coffins in manor_event, for example.

badp

I dunno, it sounds like enough rope to hang yourself

Powerlord

(coffins were removed from the prop list because of that btw)

Bleah, maybe I should just table that change for the moment and move on to having common props in a separate file.

Makes it easier for servers to add health kits to the common list. Although that'd be bad in holidays come up.

badp

Disguising as a health kit sounds like a... bad idea

Powerlord

6:21 PM

@badp Well, you'd think so, but it really isn't because it's a small prop.

However, it's also a moving prop.

badp

...a small prop that pyros would try and pick up

Powerlord

@badp Well, right, but small props are easier to hide.

Fluttershy

I wonder if, since Microsoft removed the DRM stuff, we'll see an increase in game prices...

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Doubt it.

Fluttershy

@fbueckert I wouldn't be surprised, given all the whining about games costing too much to make.

badp

6:24 PM

every reason to increase prices is a good reason :P

fbueckert

I don't think they ever tied their DRM scheme to the price of games.

FEichinger

@Fluttershy I don't think DRM (or the lack thereof) will have anything to do with the pricing. But it's definitely gonna be blamed as well.

Fluttershy

That whole article where Cliffy B. praised them for it kinda did the job for them.

fbueckert

@Fluttershy Yeah, they're whining about it. Doesn't mean anything should be done about it.

@Fluttershy And he promptly got a ton of gamer backlash about that.

Fluttershy

"Should" doesn't mean "will" to Microsoft.

fbueckert

6:25 PM

If MS is smart, they won't risk another PR nightmare.

Fluttershy

They haven't really proven themselves to be smart so far.

Ben Brocka

"If MS is Smart" is a bad assumption to make relating to PR at the moment

6

@Fluttershy MS already confirmed games will be $60 at retail

Powerlord

@BenBrocka They also "confirmed" that the system would require a call home every 24 hours. And then unconfirmed it later.

Ben Brocka

Well they did that because people were pissed. If anything people are relieved that next gen is starting at $60

Wipqozn

I won't trust anything MS says until the Xbox 180 is already on the shelves.

fbueckert

6:27 PM

@BenBrocka Granted.

They seem to be trying now, though.

Ben Brocka

I wonder if they had this planned before and let Major Nelson go on to he a dumbass for a while or what

Fluttershy

Alls I'm saying is, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a jump in retail game prices.

Jaydles

@kalina, I came to get info for my weekly report to the NSA on your guys' activities.

Ben Brocka

Considering the speed at which they flopped, I'd definitely guess they had a second build ready which culled the DRM and such

They probably had both ready but really wanted the DRM thing to work

kalina

@Jaydles the NSA don't care about our terrorist activities

I mean, friendly community discussions

Ben Brocka

6:31 PM

Did I ever tell you guys about the bodies in the backyard?

Jaydles

@kalina, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but it only takes 3 pony references to trigger their surveillance.

kalina

@Jaydles I'm surprised stackexchange's servers haven't been ceased due to our pony activity then!

Wipqozn

@BenBrocka No. Please tell us more.

kalina

@fbueckert flagging you as offensive

ChrisHateZ

@fbueckert Wow...

fbueckert

6:33 PM

@kalina Do so. I'm curious if it'd get approved.

badp

New Humble Weekly Sale. Rochard makes a return.

kalina

nope, didn't get approved

now the fun police are going to arrive

Powerlord

@kalina I SO wanted to approve that, but that's just mean.

kalina

I got kicked!

fbueckert

Huh. I actually DID get suspended for a sec there.

kalina

6:34 PM

hah

badp

@fbueckert wat

kalina

blame math

Ben Brocka

Yeah, I unsuspended you...please don't flag or validate stupid things

Sterno

I just can't decide between Pro Cycling Manager 2013 and Agricultural Simulator 2013. They both sound so exciting!

badp

oh wow

well then, the flagger gets ten times what @fbueckert got

fbueckert

6:36 PM

Is there a way to see who validated that? Now I'm curious as to who knee-jerked that.

Wipqozn

I wish I could see your deleted message, but I'm not a room owner anymore. Silly puppet.

fbueckert

@Wipqozn It was just asking for offensive flags.

On this question.

Wipqozn

@fbueckert That doesn't seem like a very effective way to level.

Ben Brocka

@fbueckert no, unfortunately

Wipqozn

@BenBrocka There really needs to be.

Stack Exchange needs to rework the flagging system.

Just adding aflagging history is all they need. Something mods can see.

Powerlord

6:39 PM

@Sterno I hear Paint Drying Simulator 2013 is the best.

badp

(for the record, since Ben came in to save fbueckert in a timely manner, I unsuspended the flagger one tenth as timely)

Ben Brocka

@Wipqozn We kinda have one, but it's to see messages a user posted that have been flagged (so we can see people who post stupid messages, not stupid flags)

badp

(please DO NOT abuse the flag button)

Powerlord

(please abuse @badp instead)

8

fbueckert

I don't even know who flagged me!

ChrisHateZ

6:41 PM

@fbueckert Wasn't it kalina?

Powerlord

@ChrisHateZ That's what I assumed.