The Bridge

kalina

13:00

TZHX

@fredley they pay more than modern smart cars, less than typical cars, but their emissions are lower than a smart car, so saying it's an 'emissions tax' isn't really correct any more than saying it's a 'road tax' if we're going to be pedantic.

OrigamiRobot

In the US, cyclists are the worst. No, drivers are the worst. No, pedestrians are the worst. Everyone involved in traveling is the worst.

fredley

@TZHX No tax is a perfect tax

TZHX

It's stupid that when you (as a business) sell someone a TV, you're legally obligated to obtain their address and pass it to TV Licensing.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Solution: never move. Ever.

@kalina It's a scare tactic. They can't detect TVs better than a divining rod.

TZHX

13:02

I agree. I still don't think the TV license is value-for-money or justified when BBC make enough to sell their programs to freaking cinemas.

kalina

@fredley shrug

@TZHX let's not even start on the money they make via syndication

also, why do I have to pay for a TV license if I don't watch BBC channels?

fredley

@TZHX If the beeb went commercial they'd produce more of the more profitable material and none of the rest. Imagine nothing but Top Gear and Dr Who

@kalina This is debatable.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley I can think of many people who would be quite happy with this dystopian nightmarescape. :(

Lazers

0

Q: Buttons don't work on Spyro: Year of the Dragon PSP

When I open up Spyro: Year of the Dragon (from PSN) on my PSP 1000, the opening cutscene plays at all, but none of the buttons work (except Home) at the "Press Start" screen. However, on my brother's PSP 3000 (using the exact same data on the exact same Memory Stick) it works fine. I've tried del...

psp

fredley

@LessPop_MoreFizz :(

TZHX

13:05

To be fair, I could do without anything on the BBC.

kalina

@fredley not to mention, adverts

fredley

LessPop_MoreFizz

@TZHX Even the News?

TZHX

I like Holby City and Casualty as comedy programs.

@LessPop_MoreFizz who uses their TV for news?

fredley

@TZHX They produce some of the best nature documentaries in the World

TZHX

13:06

They have done.

fredley

But they're probably not commercially viable any other way

LessPop_MoreFizz

I like it when the NYT is kind enough to report on who ought to be First Against The Wall.

fredley

Still do

TZHX

David Attenborough will be dead shortly, so it matters not.

fredley

@LessPop_MoreFizz PNF

LessPop_MoreFizz

13:06

@TZHX Who said anything about only the tv news going away?

@fredley fixt

TZHX

@LessPop_MoreFizz I don't find BBC News website particularly good, either.

Far too many typos and grammatical errors for me to take them seriously.

LessPop_MoreFizz

I chopped ml off of html when pasting the link

fredley

@LessPop_MoreFizz What is this

TZHX

Also all the completely wrong information, etc.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley RichPeople.txt

fredley

13:08

> For Erela, they created menus based on her favorite foods, like quinoa, chickpeas and dried fruit

kalina

oh god

I just pulled out three eye lashes

that can't be good

fredley

@kalina Ow

LessPop_MoreFizz

@kalina Now you have to pull out another 3 to maintain symmetry across your face.

kalina

@LessPop_MoreFizz ...

OrigamiRobot

@LessPop_MoreFizz She didn't say they were hers.

fredley

13:14

OH GOD FINALLY

TZHX

@fredley how long until all the airlines change their policies on it, though?

Tim Stone

> And their nanny, from Wisconsin, does not always know the difference between quinoa and couscous.

Tragic, just tragic.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@TZHX If it's anything like the US a few weeks ago, 48 hours.

Tim Stone

Also, she knows the difference sometimes?

fredley

@TZHX Article says could be before xmas

@TZHX Pretty sure airlines want this, as it cuts demands on cabin crew pre takeoff and landing, checking everyone's devices are put away

TZHX

13:17

I guess so.

Yuki

@LessPop_MoreFizz I did the initialism on that and came up with "FATW". If you just tack on an "A" at the end, that's actually a little disturbing.

fredley

@TZHX Also it's a great sales pitch, as the first airline to allow will get much media coverage

TZHX

Ryanair will add a charge for it, I'm sre.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@fredley this rules change happened in the US a few weeks ago.

Airlines adopted it literally within 48 hours almost across the board.

fredley

@LessPop_MoreFizz Hope same happens here

Tim Stone

13:20

@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, they caught on to the whole "Well we don't want to be assholes" reality surprisingly quickly.

Yuki

I honestly don't use my electronics all that much during flights, barring extremely long ones, but it is definitely a welcome change.

fredley

@Yuki Kindle.

Tim Stone

@TZHX And a fee if the flight attendant has to remind you to put it away because you didn't pay the charge to keep it out.

Stay classy, Ryanair.

Yuki

@fredley I should probably get one of those, but I still have a few books I bought in ~~Great Britain~~ the UK that I need to finish.

fredley

@Yuki They are fucking great. I've read so much more since getting one, and I'm on my second now

Kevin van der Velden

13:23

@fredley second book? That's not much reading :)

fredley

@KevinvanderVelden :-P

Yuki

@fredley I used to have one when I was a freshman, but my roommate put a bunch of books on top of it and the screen broke.

kalina

1

Q: I am broken: post-undelete bounty issues

Related: I am broken: post-undelete reputation issues It appears that as a result of the account undeletion process, the bounties that I have handed out and been awarded are not correctly applied against my profile. This is best visible by looking at my Arqade profile which only shows bounty act...

support bounty deleted-accounts repuutation

Yuki

;_;

kalina

to make up for awxwr deleting his account and moving me back down to the fourth row, I'm going to see if I can get my bounties back

fredley

13:24

@Yuki Get a case. Amazon case has magnets that wake when you open, is v neat.

Yuki

@fredley Well, I'd have to get another Kindle first.

fredley

Yay

Lazers

0

Q: Does assassin's creed 4 worth buying?

Does it worth buying? I play on pc.

assassins-creed-4

kalina

@fredley ...

I got -190

fredley

@kalina Who was it?

Yuki

13:25

@Lazers "Does it worth buying?"

fredley

(This is MSO)

kalina

oh on MSO I got -55

also assuming that awxwr guy

fredley

@Lazers Pop it

kalina

since it happened at the same time as the -190

when I deleted my account nobody lost any rep

I hate the system

3ventic

@kalina repuutation

kalina

13:26

so inconsistent

RedRiderX

@kalina Wait, awxwr quit?

So that's why I lost some rep...

TZHX

@Lazers really confusing seeing a assassins creed 'question' with the batman logo...

kalina

@3ventic 10/10

@RedRiderX yeah he rage quit after getting banned afaik

badp

I got 0

kalina

@badp pfff

badp

13:28

and -10 on MSO

IORJWQAPOIURHJWQPOUIRHOIEQUWHROQIWHROIQWUHRWQOIPRUHQWOIUYRHGWQIOPREJWQIOUFGHQWIU‌RHJQWOIURHQWOPRIUHJQWOIUYRHQWOIPEJHQWIUHERWQPEo

kalina

@badp lol

that MSO rep, worth 1000x more than Arqade rep

badp

I'm broke, essentially.

Tim Stone

@badp You should ragequit over this injustice

kalina

you don't need 10 rep on MSO anyway, you're nearly at 20k

badp

@kalina but not quite!

Tim Stone

13:29

20k on MSO is best priv

badp

@TimStone That would invalidate a large portion of 1,167 votes

kalina

@badp that many votes probably wouldn't be undone

because the system is unfair to its active members

badp

or rather, when we ragequit we don't alert the entire community about it

(I dunno if I count)

Sterno

@kalina That's not where we landed on that issue

kalina

I duno, it would have been funny if all of my votes had been undone when I quit

Sterno

13:32

Although the close reason never did get changed, so who knows

@GraceNote said he'd post some follow up to it and then she never did and then he ignored all my pings about it so I'm not sure where she stands.

kalina

@Sterno did I take part in this?/did this get suggested on my faq question?

Sterno

Gender pronoun switching mid-sentence is hard.

@kalina Maybe and no.

kalina

@Sterno a lore question did end up on the FAQ question

so if that isn't the right one you should do something about it

Sterno

That was whether or not they, as an entire category, were off-topic

kalina

right

once I finish working out how to get to this interview I will read yours so I can downvote it

Sterno

13:34

Frankly as long as the close reason text still exists it seems silly to add this to the FAQ

Excellent.

kalina

well close reason text is something that @badp can fix, right??

FEichinger

Heya, folks.

BESW

Hey.

Yuki

@Sterno We should just invent a gender pronoun specifically for @GraceNote and be done with it. I propose "gn".

tombull89

@TimStone 20k on mso? I'd need a lot of alcohol and some mind bleach to cope

Lazers

13:38

0

Q: Portal attack power in ingress

Does anyone have the formula for how much a portal can hit you for, when you attack it? Does the range of the portal attack increase according to portal level? What is the maximum a portal can hit you for, if it's level 8 and have both turret and force amp? Can you get hit by more than one porta...

ingress

0

Q: Can i craft saddles and horse armors?

Does saddles and horse armors only can be found in dungeons? Or i can craft them.

minecraft

Sterno

@kalina Looking through chat, you were involved in this discussion

This was what I'd been looking for

Sep 27 at 12:59, by Grace Note

@Sterno I'll gather a round up next week about it.

fredley

> Question

LessPop_MoreFizz

I can't wait for the inevitable Protoss Sex Tantrum.

2

tombull89

@LessPop_MoreFizz kekekeke

LessPop_MoreFizz

I am so deeply ashamed of myself and what my life has come to that, as I am mere days from turning 30, I find myself using the phrase 'inevitable Protoss Sex Tantrum.'

RedRiderX

13:41

...

tombull89

@LessPop_MoreFizz rule 34

kalina

@Sterno mk, well we need the close reason changing then

blame them peoples for not actioning the required action

Sterno

@kalina I shall!

BESW

[sits in the corner and squees quietly over Night of the Doctor]

tombull89

@BESW shakes fish still in work dammit

fish, fist, they're all the same

Lazers

13:51

0

Q: Is it possible to give a crew member "admin privileges"?

Me and my friend are together in a Crew. Now he's for 2 month in holidays and he don't have time to edit our crew stuff. And he also don't know how to allow me, that I can edit the crew stuffs. So it is possible to give other crew member "admin privileges"? When yes, how can he give me this priv...

gta-online

Sterno

@LessPop_MoreFizz It appears that no such tantrum will be forthcoming!

badp

@FEichinger yooooooooooooooooooooo.

FEichinger

@badp O_o

LessPop_MoreFizz

@Sterno Sure it will. We have plenty of dumb white knights willing to tantrum on behalf of a perfectly reasonable and non-tantruming OP.

badp

In other news today I learned the Eierschalensollbruchstellenverursacher is a thing that exists

Sterno

13:53

@LessPop_MoreFizz For the sake of my entertainment, I hope you are correct.

fredley

@badp Soft-boiled egg shell cracker

►

Fluttershy

My coworker: "My tea is hot." Me: "Hot tea is delicious!" Coworker: "Yeah, but it melts my ice." ..........<________<

badp

@Fluttershy Did you set him on fire?

fredley

@badp That would have melted his ice even more!

BESW

For the record, certain blends of tea are especially delicious if drunk hot with ice.

Kevin van der Velden

14:06

@BESW this is a thing? :O

I NEED TO WATCH THIS

But alas, also at work

Fluttershy

What gets me is that she apparently thought I didn't know hot things melted ice. <_<

BESW

►

I'll just leave that for when you have a chance.

@KevinvanderVelden Have you seen The Brain of Morbius? Fourth Doctor story.

fredley

I can describe what happens if you'd like

RedRiderX

@BESW squeeeeeee

fredley

@BESW squee

BESW

14:09

If you know The Brain of Morbius, it's even more awesome.

For a great many spoilery reasons, textual and subtextual.

GnomeSlice

@FEichinger Oh cool, Team17 is publishing this?

I'm glad they're still going forward with it after the failed kickstarter...

The Stack Exchange Blog

Blog - Stack Exchange: Podcast #54 – The One With All The Anachronisms

Alex Miller on November 14, 2013

Welcome to Stack Exchange Podcast #54, with special guest Sara J. Chipps! Joining us today also is CFO Michael Pryor. Your hosts as usual are Jay Hanlon, David Fullerton, and Joel Spolsky. Today’s episode is brought to you by /r/husky!

We’ll start out with Site Milestones. We have one: Ham Radio will be in public beta by the time this podcast goes live. Turns out there are tons of ham radio enthusiasts even today. Ham!

New Features The big thing we’re currently working on is the new topbar. It hasn’t changed in years… until now! David walks us through the new featu …

BESW

Nash talks a little about why Night of the Doctor is so important.

Ben Brocka

3DS XL $150, 2DS $99 at target on black friday

Lazers

0

Q: How to 'RUB YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE ROOF 300 M IN 1 GAME'

*I REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER . THEN I CAN COMPLETE MY MISSION . I CANT COMPLETE THE MISSION AND IF I DON'T COMPLETE IS I WONT GET NEW MISSIONS AND I CANT COMPLETE MISSION PROFESSIONAL *

minecraft skyrim league-of-legends xbox-360 world-of-warcraft

3

GnomeSlice

14:11

@fredley OMG

Jeremy Clarkson Cyriak

Fluttershy

@Lazers WHAT

GnomeSlice

@Unionhawk Aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Grace Note

@Sterno I got out-veto'd. That's why there's been no movement.

Sterno

@GraceNote I'm unclear on the present status of the issue.

RedRiderX

@BESW Yeah this is totally more than I had hoped for.

It's just really great.

5pike

14:13

> 1. Close your browser. 2. Turn off your computer. 3. Go outside. 4. ??? 5. Profit! – tombull89

Grace Note

@Sterno Status quo, I believe.

RedRiderX

Paul Mcgann was a good doctor.

BESW

It legitimizes the Dark Years and holds an olive branch to Old Who.

Sterno

@GraceNote So, the close reason stands as is despite it being unpopular?

tombull89

Maybe he should torch his computer too...

FEichinger

14:14

@GnomeSlice Yeh, I remembered you talking about it, so I figured I'd forward that to you.

GnomeSlice

@FEichinger Thanks!

5pike

@tombull89 His parents would be very upset.

GnomeSlice

Ooo it has a greenlight page now

tombull89

@5pike true

RedRiderX

@BESW It really finishes off Paul McGann as the bridging doctor.

Braiam

14:16

wow... the bridge really can close question... like fast!

BESW

@RedRiderX Ten years late, but he finally got a send-off.

Lazers

0

Q: Is there any other game dev games?

I played game dev tycoon and game dev story. Is there any other game dev games? For PC and android devices.

game-dev-tycoon game-dev-story

BESW

I used one of his audio stories --Zagreus--as the bones of a D&D plot once.

fredley

@Lazers Is this guy playing close-reason bingo or something?

BESW

He was the Doctor for the Dark Years, and I'm glad he got on the little screen again.

Sterno

14:23

@Lazers HOW EVERYTHING OUT

Grace Note

@Sterno Yes.

Sterno

@GraceNote Is there any sort of community action that can drive change in this, or is it basically "The mods have spoken, deal with it"?

TZHX

@Lazers Google suggests he's asking about something called 'jetpack joyride'.

Grace Note

@Sterno You could try talking with the mods.

RedRiderX

@BESW I haven't really got into the audio stuff yet, so I don't know the rest of the 8th Doctor's trials, so going from the rather childlike and cherubic Doctor of the movie to the worn-down and almost emotionally empty Doctor here is quite a striking change.

Sterno

14:25

@GraceNote I am not trying to be difficult, but isn't the meta post exactly the sort of forum for that sort of thing? I don't see any mod answers on that. I don't even know who to argue with.

GnomeSlice

@Brant Hmm?

Sterno

At a glance, I don't even see mod comments on it.

BESW

@RedRiderX I haven't heard all of it, but I've read about several of the stories.

He went through a Time War, among other things.

That is, a Time War before the Last Great Time War.

RedRiderX

@BESW Yeah, I guess there would be...

BESW

There were/are/have been/will be apparently several.

Sterno

14:27

@GraceNote Or, put another way, if that meta topic was not an appropriate way to discuss the issue with mods, what is the appropriate channel?

feature-request?

RedRiderX

@BESW Yeah the Time Wars ending always seemed a bit weird...

Sterno

Or I guess support?

Grace Note

@Sterno You could ask the mods directly (either in that thread or maybe in chat) to actually give explicit comment. Do note that the follow-up discussion on banning lore does contain some measure of mod commentary that I believe also touched upon the matter of the close reason and its usability.

RedRiderX

If the War-Doctor really did ___, then wouldn't there be no Skaro or Gallifrey ever?

Sterno

@GraceNote I'm going to take that as "argue with @badp". :P

BESW

14:29

@RedRiderX Here, have an explanation of the end of the LGTW, as much as we know so far.

20

A: Why can't The Doctor save his own planet from destruction?

Because he can't travel to that part of history anymore. The events which caused the destruction of Gallifrey are known as the Last Great Time War. We don't know many of the details of the War (it happened off-screen between the first adventure of the Eighth Doctor and the revival of the series ...

Yuki

@Lazers I... actually know what game this person is talking about.

Kevin van der Velden

@Yuki yes, the jetpack game whose name I can't remember right?

jetpack joyride! That was it

Yuki

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, it's like "Chaingun Jetpack" or something.

Nvm.

Grace Note

@Sterno He ain't alone.

Powerlord

Bacon

Kevin van der Velden

14:31

Also that achievement is trivial, hold the fly button (i.e. the entire screen) until the popup appears

Sterno

@GraceNote Maybe, but if so, I'm not sure how to act on that information. It's not clearly visible to me. Anyway, if any particular lore question closing really pushes my buttons because it got closed because of that close reason text, I'll just argue about it and point to the meta, and hope to win the close/reopen war. :P

I don't think it often comes up as an issue, luckily.

Grace Note

@Sterno The best to be done with that info is to consider that "arguing with badp" isn't in fact arguing with badp but more arguing where badp is spokesperson for the mod team.

@Sterno (This may be kind of a key component here)

Kevin van der Velden

Jeah, of top 5 (payed entry) festivals this year, 3 were our customers :D

Sterno

@GraceNote In fairness, it was regularly an issue in the weeks before that meta, which is why I brought it up in the first place.

It does frustrate me a bit that we can have a big meta discussion specifically about it in which no mods comment or argue with the only positively voted answer, but just quietly veto the whole thing without giving their reason. Note it's not the veto that is really the problem... it's the lack of explanation.

GnomeSlice

Oh, is today PS4 launch day?

Sterno

14:36

Even if I disagree on the particular issue, I'm for the mods vetoing something if they think the popularly held opinion is detrimental to the community.

Yuki

@Sterno Just so long as they tell us and why?

Sterno

@Yuki That would be awesome, yes. Otherwise discussing things in meta feels kind of pointless if the mods might veto without ever weighing in.

Granted, meta discussions often feel pointless for other reasons as well. :P

"Yes, we realize that a vocal contingent of you want the Ask Question Mothership to fire its lazers at ponies and obliterate them, and you've got 100+ upvotes on your meta about it, but the mod team feels this would hostile and alienate some of the community, so no."

BESW

I know that over in scifi.se, a lot of bad feeling toward mods was generated because mods took legitimate crowd-instigated action (like acting on flags) silently and without comment.

An assumption slowly grew that mods acted on their own rather than usually waiting for citizen requests for action, and since the mods' (justified) reaction to such antagonism was to be offended by the attacks on their integrity rather than to recognize the source of the suspicion...

TZHX

@GnomeSlice No.

BESW

...it grew to the point that any action taken by any mod was scrutinized and criticized and attempts to be transparent were seen as closing the barn door after the horse was gone.

Grace Note

14:40

@Sterno It's not so much that the mods veto'd the whole thing as much as my own efforts got smushed.

Sterno

@GraceNote What were your efforts that were getting smushed?

It's important for me to point out that I'm not entirely clear where you stand on the issue.

Or what action you were trying to take.

Grace Note

To push for changes in the close reason and how we judge on lore questions.

BESW

I don't think mods need to broadcast the reason for every action they take--that'd be silly--but regular presence in chat and on important meta topics does wonders for keeping the community aware that the mods are overworked citizens who are doing their best in good faith.

GnomeSlice

ghjvmb ,khj.kjbjnnnnnnnnnnn

fucking cat

BESW

"Accessibility," perhaps, would be a good word.

Kevin van der Velden

14:42

@GnomeSlice well, at least it's not NSFW :)

Grace Note

Since absent the current "In the canon", we don't actually have any sort of logical brunt for addressing the validity of lore, something was needed. And status quo won out against my personal push.

GnomeSlice

@KevinvanderVelden The next time I post a scantily clad lady I'll make sure to blame that on the cat too

Kevin van der Velden

@GnomeSlice done, sounds like a plan :)

GnomeSlice

omfsg gokert off my kbderyboard

BESW

As an aside, I'm talking more about Doctor Who and The Night of the Doctor in RPG.SE chat and Arqade than I am in SF&F chat.

Kevin van der Velden

14:44

@BESW well that's because arqade chat is just better

Sterno

@GraceNote Yeah. Ugh. That's part of what really bugged me about the close text. It was sometimes used the justification for closing lore questions people didn't like, because it was the only close reason they had.

Grace Note

@Sterno But we weren't looking at it for that kind of a bludgeon. None of the mods are for closing things out of dislike.

Sterno

@GraceNote To be fair, I don't think the mods are closing things at all. They tend to stay out of it.

I'm talking about normal users.

But whatever. close/reopen wars in the rare instances they come up can happen. Not a big deal.

At least now I have a meta to point to for my argument instead of making it again every single time

Brant

I can’t take further part in this conversation because I’m already late for work, so I’m just going to opinion-dump and leave like a horrible internet person, but: We’re slowly developing a Wikipedia-style bureaucracy and it completely disgusts me.

kalina

@GnomeSlice why edit a question and not actually improve it?

GnomeSlice

14:48

@kalina I improved the tags and the case. It's not going to get reopened anyway.

kalina

why not? It's a valid question

You just needed to actually edit it to make sense

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/141980/revisions

fredley

@kalina Wow, I'm impressed

reopen vote cast

kalina

you should be, that's the only careface you're getting out of me today

fbueckert

@Sterno To be fair, I don't like "in the canon", either. I think it's too damn broad.

badp

@Brant I still don't see sysops ignoring bureaucrats watching administrators and whatnot

Sterno

14:55

@fbueckert Yeah. I see it, in most cases, as a license to argue.

badp

Personally I've grown to accept that my views on closing and opening are consistently in the minority and simply opt not to take part in the entire rigmarole

(also I'm at work)

fbueckert

But then, I'm of the opinion to burn lore at the stake, period, here. So for the most part, I just skip those questions entirely.

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