The Bridge

fredley

11:00 AM

FRIEND IS CHINESE FOOD, EAT FRIEND

*CRUNCH*

Well that brightened my morning considerably

tombull89

creepers gonna creep

fredley

@tombull89 WILSON'S WAGON

Just reminds me of Kill Bill

Blem

11:20 AM

@tombull89 omg that is f uped

You got creepy guys, luring young girls in to a van, using drugs and cannibalism

3

tombull89

Note: as I'm in work (in a school) I've not watched the whole video or listened to any of the song

still, sounds impressive.

badp

@tombull89 okay, I couldn't make it to the end of this one. The editing was so bad.

StrixVaria

Diablo II Ladder Reset on November 26 CC: @OrigamiRobot

Arperum

It seems reason is not working, (except if I can proof that any and all options are trivial to hack, then maybe). So does anyone know a programming language that results in a deployed result that is not trivially hackable (no reflector/whatever java-decompiler/...)

Reaction of my boss "If I really want to hack insert big bank here I can do so too...

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum C

Arperum

11:35 AM

@KevinvanderVelden C++ still valid or not?

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum and your reply was not "And if you really want to spend as many millions as they do it can be about as hard"

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden I was thinking of C++ since I don't know any hacking things immediately.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum C++ would also work no prob.

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Ok, so some fancy stupid encryption + C++ it'll be...

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum probably still trivially hackable by someone who knows what they are doing :)

Sterno

11:37 AM

This sounds like exactly the wrong way to decide what programming language to use.

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden True, bbut that requires you to find one of these hackers.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum meh, I'd love to give it a go =p

Arperum

@Sterno I know. I'm very much against the idea of having a program that runs completely local and has to be "secure"

Sterno

You get as much security as you're willing to pay for

I'm also not sure how you put a website on a CD

Assuming it doesn't do completely trivial things

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno they also want it to be updatable when you go online

Sterno

11:43 AM

It sounds like they want a cloud app

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno that's available when you're offline

Sterno

That's pretty common for a cloud app

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno with all data? @Arperum said something about a database as well.

Sterno

With all the data you've pulled to that point, sure.

Obviously you can't get new data

Arperum

@Sterno The things it does are not especially hard see here

Kevin van der Velden

11:46 AM

@Arperum ... so wait, it's a shop you can use offline? o.o

Arperum

(don't mind the terribleness of that thing, I had tons of unfun making it less terrible then it was. It still is, but way better then before)

@KevinvanderVelden I'd assume the shopping part is left out.

So it's used for looking car things up.

Sterno

The add button doesn't seem to do anything for me. It says it adds something to a list, but I don't know what list or where to view it

But what I've seen of that looks offline-able

if it locally caches data when it is connected

I'm curious why the hell they're so worried about security though for an app that's publicly on the web with no security

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno the security is for the database I'd imagine

Arperum

@Sterno I think you can go to the list by clicking that stupid list like symbol in the top-right.

@KevinvanderVelden This.

Sterno

@Arperum It threw an exception, but maybe

@KevinvanderVelden Isn't this just a front end for looking at the data in the DB?

Arperum

11:50 AM

Not that if I really wanted all of their data I couldn't just steal it already...

@Sterno fancy.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum if they really want to secure the DB use sqlcipher.net as a database or something

Arperum

@Sterno Cannot reproduce based on the info you gave me.

@KevinvanderVelden Thanks for this info!

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum course, the REAL issue is not leaking the key.

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Shush, that key has to be hardcoded somewhere in the app of course... so that's why I need a language that can not be decompiled in seconds.

Kevin van der Velden

But if they really want to do this I'd get a simple minimal OSS webserver implementation that serves HTTP files (if needed build into the .exe itself) and a minimal JSON api to the database

Sterno

11:53 AM

BESW

Surprise! The 50th starts NOW! The Night Of The Doctor on iPlayer in less than an hour. Speak to no one till you've see it! RUN!

Tweeted by bbcdoctorwho on November 14, 2013 at 11:18 AM

@BESW WANT WANT WANT

50th?

@Sterno anniversary

@Sterno 50th anniversary of Doctor Who; it started in 1963.

For the 50th, they've produced an extra-special episode.

Sterno

11:54 AM

How can a 50th anniversary be a surprise? Isn't it kind of telegraphed 50 years in advance?

Arperum

@Sterno Fancy! you can see the terribleness of the code in that thing. Because htmlcode in your codebehind is a brilliant plan.

tombull89

@BESW wat

BESW

@Sterno It was scheduled to be released ten days from now.

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno well, the surprise is that the 50th anniversary episode is available then

@Arperum also visual basic~

Sterno

I still need to slog through the tail end of last season

I pretty much stopped watching after that Statue of Liberty episode

Arperum

11:55 AM

@KevinvanderVelden Yes, I hate hate HATE the guy who made that and then left me with the mess.

BESW

@Sterno There's been a whole season since then...

And sadly, Moffat did a bang-up job getting us uninvested in the new companion.

fredley

@Sterno What's Sterno redacting I wonder?

Sterno

My name, even though I've said it here before and it's pretty easy to find

fredley

@Sterno eh

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Also: not-compiled, just .vb files on the server, no .dll or anything. He got .vb files this time, so that's something, better then fucking runat="server"-script tags as in some of his other "work".

Kevin van der Velden

11:57 AM

@fredley MLP slash fic

Sterno

@BESW ?

No there hasn't.

Or the thing you're talking about is exactly what I'm saying I still need to see.

TZHX

You have your name on a chrome bookmark in case you forget it?

BESW

Perhaps.

Sterno

I need to see what Wikipedia refers to as "Series 7 Part 2"

Kevin van der Velden

@TZHX he is old

BESW

11:58 AM

Oh, right. They "split the season" for... I'm not sure why.

5pike

@KevinvanderVelden Sternold

BESW

Maybe so you can't buy the last of the Ponds without getting Clara too.

Sterno

@TZHX It says "My Name -> Log In" and is the default title for the window that I was too lazy to ever change on the bookmark

Arperum

@Sterno Short name is short.

Sterno

I just clicked it and it apparently doesn't work anymore, so there's that, too

@fredley Your "hide comment" script is also on my bookmarks, making you an instant internet celebrity

fredley

12:01 PM

@KevinvanderVelden quite

Spot the difference

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley right, nevermind

Nice shop =p

Arperum

@fredley Font is not perfect, but close enough though.

fredley

@Arperum Yeah, I'm on a Mac, so I can't replicate Windows' anti-aliasing

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Thanks for that SQLCipher thing, thats a keeper!

Sterno

The infographic no one needed!

Thanks, Wikipedia!

fredley

12:07 PM

@Sterno Nobody needs infographics

Kevin van der Velden

@Sterno best infographic ever

TZHX

wtf

Sterno

I also like that they chose a shade of blue for everything, just to make it hard to tell what the hell anything is

Journeyman Geek

also, my country is too small to see it :/

Sterno

"Is that dark blue, or darker blue? Hrm"

TZHX

12:07 PM

is Doctor Who really that popular to have cinemas playing an episode of it?

Journeyman Geek

yes

Kevin van der Velden

My country is lost in a jpeg artifact >.>

4

tombull89

Yeah, my local cinema is showing it at time of broadcast, an hour afterwards, and one the next day too

TZHX

Ffs. We're taxed for them to produce this crap. They should just become an independent company if they're so successful.

Sterno

"Man, I really wish I had a chart showing everywhere that The Day of the Doctor will be shown simultaneously, and in which format, so that I can best choose which country to watch it in... OMG, here it is! Thanks Wikipedia!"

fredley

12:10 PM

@TZHX You don't have to pay the TV license fee if you don't want to.

Journeyman Geek

@Sterno: best country to watch it in is obviously the UK

Sterno

@JourneymanGeek Citation needed.

Journeyman Geek

@Sterno: your face

;p

TZHX

@fredley well, you do if you want to watch TV.

fredley

@TZHX Well yes. But it's the best value content subscription in the world, and I'm happy to pay it.

Lazers

12:11 PM

0

Q: Where are all the hidden drawings in Cut The Rope?

There are 19 hidden Om Nom drawings in Cut The Rope game (for both iOS and Android). Where are they found? Related question: Where are all the pictures in Professor's Album in Cut the rope: Experiments?

Sterno

Do what every other self-respecting citizen does and pirate it off the web.

Journeyman Geek

@Sterno: ARR!

fredley

I get some of the best TV in the World, some of the best radio and some of the best news, all ad-free.

TZHX

@fredley you and I have different ideas of value, then. For the one show I watch on BBC channels, I don't think £145 a year is worth not having adverts.

fredley

@TZHX I hardly ever actually watch TV, but I iPlayer a lot, and listen to a lot of BBC radio, and read BBC News daily.

TZHX

12:13 PM

BBC News doesn't necessitate a TV license.

Not sure if iPlayer does.

fredley

@TZHX Only if you watch live

TZHX

Fairly certain radio doesn't.

fredley

@TZHX Only watching TV live requires a tv license

TZHX

Yeh, that's what I though.

*thought

fredley

Therefore it's easy to get out of paying if you don't actually watch live tv

TZHX

12:15 PM

doesn't matter if you watch BBC channels or not, any TV channel you watch you need to pay for shitty low-quality sci fi shows and soap operas.

Sterno

I fully support @fredley's money going towards a show I get to watch for free.

tombull89

It's not a tax...

TZHX

It pretty much is.

In the same way as road tax is a tax.

Or tax on petrol is a tax.

fredley

@TZHX I don't own a car, so I don't pay these. Also we don't have road tax, we have emissions tax.

Which is why I may ride my bike around (or drive an electric car) without paying it

TZHX

@fredley of course we do. I hear people all the time talking about emissions tax. no one calls it road tax at all.

@fredley and that was my point, it's still a "tax" even if not 100% of people need to pay it.

fredley

12:18 PM

@TZHX As a cyclist who gets berated for 'not paying road tax', I wish more people knew how they are taxed.

Sterno

@fredley They're really berating you because you're a cyclist, not because you're not paying a road tax.

Drivers hate them some cyclists!

fredley

@Sterno I know, but they're argument is still wrong.

Journeyman Geek

@Sterno: as do pedestrians

fredley

@Sterno Cyclists also hate them some cyclists. Basically cyclists who break traffic laws spoil it for everyone.

Journeyman Geek

/me isn't too fond of local cyclists. A lot of them act like they own the sidewalks, or ride on the semi-expressway where there's heavy traffic as a pretty big pacl

Sterno

12:20 PM

The only cyclists I hate are the ones who specifically organize to all gather together and pack the streets and ride slowly through a city, disrupting and slowing all traffic, as some sort of "cyclist awareness" raising thing

Those guys are douchebags who are having the opposite effect they intend.

kalina

10 points per cyclist, mow them all down

"gouranga" appears across the middle of your vision if you hit 10 in a row

Sterno

Okay, I also hate cyclists who ride the wrong way down one-way streets because "Hey, I'm a cyclist, so I can do that"

And @fredley. I hate @fredley.

fredley

@Sterno Cyclists who break traffic laws spoil it for everyone.

Journeyman Geek

@Sterno: I hate people who are intolerant of other people and @fredley

fredley

@Sterno Aaaaw, I hate you too

Sterno

12:23 PM

@JourneymanGeek I hate people who hate people who hate @fredley!

fredley

@JourneymanGeek Needs at least one more comma

Journeyman Geek

@fredley: I do wish we'd give them their own lanes

Sterno

Time to get ready for work.

Journeyman Geek

(and crush bicycles whose owners break the rules right in front of them)

fredley

@JourneymanGeek Yes, this is the ideal.

kalina

12:23 PM

I was woken up this morning by somebody offering me an interview for a 3rd line/bug fixing role

fredley

@JourneymanGeek This is also ideal.

kalina

I tried to explain to them that my C# abilities were barely existent but I have an interview for Monday anyway

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina are you going to be a dev? :o

5pike

@kalina Overqualified...

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden more likely the company's novelty employee to demonstrate that they care about equality

"hey look, we have a female doing coding stuff, she even has a pony on her desk, see..."

Kevin van der Velden

12:25 PM

@kalina right, it's the 21th century, can we get rid of misogyny now?

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden when equality is actually a thing, rather than a subject that gets discussed

tombull89

@KevinvanderVelden haha. yeah. right - metro.co.uk/2013/11/13/…

Kevin van der Velden

@tombull89 yeah I saw that today :(

fredley

Oct 18 at 10:48, by fredley

@5pike "Positive discrimination" is still discrimination, still worsens the problem

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley while two wrongs don't make a right, shifting chance one way (misogyny) and then the other way ("positive discrimination") can approach equality

fredley

12:28 PM

@KevinvanderVelden It breeds resentment: "She only got the job because she's a woman"

Which makes the misogyny worse, which means you have to calibrate your positive discriminatatron even further

kalina

at least @fredley gets it

I imagine it must be a really hard subject for most guys to understand

fredley

Also, if you have a team consisting of men and women who have been hired due to 'positive discrimination', you have a team with a load of women who may be (and certainly will be treated as) inferior to the men. Not good.

Positive discrimination is a way of treating the symptoms of the problem, while making the problem worse.

kalina

still, it's paying basically what I was on at the last place

which is still a pretty decent wage for somebody my age

it is one hell of a journey every day though, so I'm going to have to get a new car

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria Remember when D3 is getting a Ladder?

fredley

@kalina Or rent somewhere closer?

kalina

12:34 PM

@LessPop_MoreFizz I have no reflexive nerd/gamer hate for apple, just an impulsive hate for most apple users

@fredley too soon, don't have the capital

Kevin van der Velden

@fredley hmm true, I've been unable to find any studies on whether it actually works or not.

kalina

and while if I get this job I will be complaining about the journey constantly for the next period of time

living here is basically free

and that's good for finances

@TZHX radio is included in the TV license, I'm not sure if there is a requirement to get a TV license to listen to live radio though

Journeyman Geek

we used to, when we had a radio/tv licence

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina I'd imagine that would be hard to manage? Unless you mean radio over the wire rather than wireless radio

fredley

@kalina There isn't

badp

12:38 PM

@kalina "yes but what about brony discrimination?"

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden the BBC just assume everybody uses their service and mailbombs the entire country for TV licenses

@KevinvanderVelden even better, if you ignore them, they send a van to sit outside your house to work out if you're using their services

3ventic

@fredley This is why I don't like it when 40% of politicians must be women

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden and if you still ignore them, they send you letters accusing you of being a criminal and threatening legal action

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina I'm imagining them dropping pamphlets from air planes.

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden if you phone them up and tell them that you don't use any of their services, they require somebody to come and visit your house and go through all of your electronics

@KevinvanderVelden if they don't understand any of the electronics they see, they send another person around to do more checking

@KevinvanderVelden all the while they're still sending you threatening letters demanding money

tombull89

12:40 PM

@kalina so what about things that could get TV like tablets or consoles? Or is it only for live tv?

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina o.o so besides having a prince who is advocating homeopathy you have THAT

kalina

Oh and, if at any point you say the words "I don't watch live TV because the BBC is shit", they take it like you're committing an act of treason and look at you with disgust

Kevin van der Velden

Somehow this is worse.

Journeyman Geek

@kalina: actually they can't demand to be let in

kalina

@JourneymanGeek If you refuse them entry, they keep sending you threatening letters

Kevin van der Velden

12:41 PM

@kalina make paper planes for the next person to come by?

kalina

The last time I dealt with them, I phoned them up, told them not to send me more letters, told them it's a waste of my time to send somebody around because all of their field inspectors are incompetent and wouldn't be able to understand my setup

They proceeded to send somebody around on four separate occasions, and then resumed sending me threatening letters

the BBC spend more of the license money they get on chasing after the 5% of the country that don't pay than they do on making new TV shows

the worst of it is, the TV license is considered a tax

so you get in serious trouble if you do watch TV but don't pay for the license

fredley

@3ventic Wat

How does that even work

politicians are elected

3ventic

@fredley Politicians are elected, but 40% must be women

fredley

@3ventic wat

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden coming back to this for a second, if you type "women should " or "women shouldn't " into google and let it autosuggest, you get things like "women should stay at home" and "women shouldn't drive" and "women should not vote"

badp

12:46 PM

@fredley I guess they pick the top voted men and the top voted women separately, then take as many as needed from each pool

Arperum

@3ventic This is so much bullshit, but sadly true.

kalina

since autosuggest is based off actual searches, I put it to you that regardless of it being the 21st century, men are still the cause of the problems

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina yes, let us get rid of misogyny :(

badp

TypeError: __init__() takes at least 3 arguments (3 given)

kalina

@fredley Decembeaver

badp

12:47 PM

Python. Tu quoque.

Kevin van der Velden

@badp I... how do you have call _init with arguments?

I'm not good at python or anything but I thought it was autocalled with 0 arguments?

badp

@KevinvanderVelden no

Lucas

Hello everyone. I would like to create a question related to game 7 Days to Die, but when I tried to create this question with new tag "7-days-to-die" I got information I need 300 rep points (I have 256 so far). I wonder... is this possible to ask if someone could create this tag for me?

kalina

@Lucas put a random tag on it and we'll edit it in afterwards

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina see, I'm not even going to reply to such questions anymore, I'll always get ninja-ed

fredley

12:49 PM

@kalina Decembush

badp

When you build an object (x = MyAwesomeClass(foo, bar)) then __init__ gets all the arguments you pass the constructor, plus the object itself (def __init__(self, foo, bar))

Lucas

But I will get negative reputation, probably, for giving incorrect tag. I was seeing such situation before.

kalina

@Lucas post it, link it in here straight away

we don't "create" tags, the only way to "create" a tag is to add it to a question

since there is no question to add it to

we can't add it

Kevin van der Velden

@badp ooh wait, init was the constructor?

badp

Yes.

kalina

12:50 PM

you need to post the question first

badp

What I did is define def __init__(foo, bar, spam=egg) then call it as MyAwesomeClass(foo, spam=egg)

so it needs 3 (including the implicit one), I gave it 3 (including the implicit one), and I didn't give it enough

fredley

*args, **kwargs

badp

yay computers

Lucas

ok, I gave random tag: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/141970/…

Kevin van der Velden

@Lucas and it was edited before you posted into chat =p

@kalina is pretty damn fast

Lucas

12:51 PM

Wow, thank you very much.

Lazers

-1

Q: How does protoss breed?

Is there any information about how do they "do" that? In SC2: Heart of The Swarm we could see Protoss women. So they should breed similar to terran species.

starcraft-2 starcraft

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Q: What determines enemies respawn in 7 Days to Die?

I barricaded all the entrances in a house at the farm for a night and I thought I'm safe, but zombie dog respawned somewhere, probably in house or jumped through a window. So before I will plan anything more I would like to ask about how to avoid such nasty situations. How to determine places whe...

7-days-to-die

kalina

happens

Kevin van der Velden

@Lazers yeah scifi.se style questions :(

kalina

@KevinvanderVelden it's a lore question that (might) be answered in the game lore?

if it isn't answered in the game lore, it's off topic

TZHX

@fredley a) if it were emissions tax, surely motorbikes should pay less than smart cars? b) as someone whose primary means of transport is walking, I wish more cyclists knew what red lights meant, and made a decision either to be road users or pavement users. (sorry for delayed response)

fredley

12:58 PM

@TZHX I don't know about bikes, I thought they didn't pay much. Also yes, cyclists who cycle through red lights piss me off too.

Although I have to cycle through some stupid intersections where cyclists have a light but pedestrians don't, which is just stupid.

kalina

@TZHX cyclists who go through red lights are fair game to run over

TZHX

@kalina I'm not sure those vans really exist? They generally just send round hired goons to threaten people in my experience.

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