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7:00 PM
Also, @GraceNote is more square
 
that's not very nice
 
I did pick the one with the window, yeah, so it is in fact a large box. That said, the other option was a larger headshot so there would've been more yellow in that choice.
 
REQUEST TO MOD ABUSE KALINA'S AVATAR INTO ONE OF THE MANY PICTURES OF SPIDERS BEING POSTED ON CHAT
 
@kalina Overruled.
 
oh god not spiders
 
7:02 PM
this should fix most issues with the avatars
 
anything but spiders
 
everything spiders
 
@kalina everything butt spiders
 
Now I know what to write my fanfic about: @kalina/spiders
 
@BenBrocka Make a script for @kalina that does a google image search for spiders and replaces every picture on her screen with a random result from it
 
7:03 PM
As for our questions, we don't really have a good, general use tag for such broad questions. That might be telling in whether or not it continues to belong here.
 
@kalina You don't like spiders?
 
 
@GraceNote seriously?
fuck spiders, spiders get attacked by aerosol cans with lighters
portable flamethrower
 
That's not very nice at all.
 
neither is them invading my home
 
7:04 PM
One of my favorite Pokemon is a spider.
 
@kalina Stop reading my fanfic!
 
Just thought you guys ought to know.
 
Hey, spiders are awesome
 
Hey @Yuki
 
@fbueckert I expect the vast majority of the untagged stuff to get nuked and deleted
 
7:05 PM
@GraceNote Hello!
 
@GraceNote To be fair, she attacks many thing in the same manner.
 
there won't be many on topic questions get retagged as that I assure you
 
I've been dying to ask for a while now... how did you figure a contrary upside down evil psychic squid to be the best choice for me?
@Unionhawk Yeah, but other things usually deserve it.
 
Fun fact; that weird tickling sensation you sometimes feel on your skin is actually spiders
 
I've been thinking of where they could fit into our current tagging scheme, and I'm coming up blank.
We don't do general cases very well.
 
7:05 PM
@GraceNote I honestly have no clue. I renamed it to SaintWacko and now you are an adorable slime dragon.
 
@Yuki Ohboy I'm a Goomy.
Which version are you in, anyway?
 
@GraceNote sounds about right
 
@GraceNote X.
 
@Yuki Ah, so you do have pistol shrimp.
 
@BenBrocka you have just caused me nightmares for the rest of my life
 
7:06 PM
I don't think I'll see this very often:
 
@GraceNote Pistol shrimp is best shrimp. I named him GnomeSlice on account of the claw three times bigger than his body.
 
@Yuki I see, I see.
And yes, it is indeed best shrimp!
There's actually yet to be a crustacean in Pokemon that I do not like.
 
@Yuki Haha
 
Eugh, what to do with this question? It's got [multiplayer] and a genre tag (neither keepable), and no associated game to retag it with:
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Q: How can I become a better strategy (RTS) player?

JustinMy housemate and I have been playing a lot of strategy games recently (e.g. Company of Heroes, Empire Earth, TA, Homeworld). I'd like to consider myself to be an okay-bordering-on-good RTS player in that I manage to "not suck" at most of those (at one point I was even ranked reasonably high onli...

 
@SevenSidedDie That feels really, really broad...
 
7:09 PM
@SevenSidedDie primarily opinion based
just like we did with the "how do I become leet fps playar!!1?one" questions
also
 
@Yuki goodra would be adorable if it didn't drip GREEN slime. It's not even green. Why does it even ew what
 
why do we have a and
can we get them merged?
 
@kalina Because some controllers aren't xbox controllers?
 
@BenBrocka "Not even green" sounds like all the reason it should be me.
 
I proposed that before and that's what I got shot down with.
 
7:10 PM
@kalina Have we killed those? There have been a bunch of "how do I get pro" questions, and I've always seen them get a pass.
 
@Yuki This is where I would say "That a logical category can exist doesn't mean we need a tag for that."
 
@kalina is obviously one of the spider pokemon
 
@SevenSidedDie Because e'erybody wants to be proz.
 
@Yuki Well, not all controllers are What @kalina said.
 
7:11 PM
@GraceNote do you drip green slime? Don't answer that
 
@kalina xbox-controller related questions tend to come up a lot related to using them with PC games, since some games support them, some don't, some claim to but don't actually or only support certain models, etc
 
So I guess the solution is close and delete. Or put [untagged] on it if it's not delete-worthy yet?
 
@BenBrocka Mucus is a kind of slime, so I guess I could say "Depends on the amount of afflictions and/or the season of the year" if I wasn't intending to say "It's not green."
 
@SevenSidedDie Burn and murder.
 
So it doesn't surprise me that [controller] and [xbox-controller] both exist but not other controller-related tags.
 
7:12 PM
Also, don't see you here often, @SSD. How goes?
 
@SevenSidedDie untagged is a temporary solution, chances are its going to get deleted
 
@ToxicFrog I still wouldn't separate them.
 
@fbueckert You don't even need to say so for me to know your vote. ;)
 
also, use untagged so you can finish the action you're working on right now
 
@kalina Chances are, yeah. I do like to watch process unfold on its own though.
 
7:13 PM
Oh, @3ventic hit the FPS learning question I was looking for, fancy that.
 
@SevenSidedDie Surprisingly, I'm not always about closing anything and everything. That one, though, is definitely too generic to be useful.
 
@SevenSidedDie by tagging it untagged you're basically saying "you've got 24 hours to find a suitable tag for this question before an army of close votes rain down hell upon thee"
 
@fbueckert Going well. Just completed a big fall cleaning. Got rid of a bunch of disused furniture, old electronics (we have an awesome donation place) and rediscovered half the livingroom carpet.
 
@SevenSidedDie Never a bad thing. The joys of owning a house; you find you have ALL this extra space that you must fill.
 
@kalina Giving it 24 hours seems enough to me! Done.
 
7:14 PM
@SevenSidedDie What a coinkidinkey parallel you got there.
 
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A: Cleanup 2013: It's time for burnination!

kalinaxbox-controller looks like it should be burned and replaced with controllers in all instances

votes please
 
@GraceNote Did not even think of that. ^^
 
@kalina SYnonymize
 
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Q: Differences between Controllers and Peripherals?

ManaThere are these two tags on our site, controllers and peripherals. Both are in need of tag wikis. I don't think we have a site policy on how the tags should be used, and I'm noticing some questions tagged as peripherals while questions with similar topics are tagged as controllers. For example, ...

Possibly related.
 
@OrigamiRobot well, if it gets enough votes, it can be yeah
@Yuki not quite
also, is so dead already
 
7:18 PM
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Q: Is it possible to play Halo 1 over System Link/LAN between an Xbox and an Xbox 360?

michelemarconIs it possible to play Halo: Combat Evolved with System Link/LAN between an Xbox and an Xbox 360?

too many tags.
 
@BenBrocka the speed the front page is rolling at the moment, a handful of additional edits won't even get noticed
 
@Yuki ..."YAGNI"?
 
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Q: Technical guide for setting up a LAN party?

qoonpookaAre there any good how-to or technical guides for setting up a LAN and/or any other sundry issues surrounding putting together a LAN party? The greener the intended audience the better. (I am fairly competent around hardware, but my LAN parties have been plagued with all kinds of network errors...

 
@Arperum -lan, pc is ok
could even add networking
 
@GraceNote I have no clue what that means.
 
7:19 PM
@Arperum -pc -lan +networking
 
@OrigamiRobot this
 
OBEY THE ROBOT
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Home. Finally.
 
@kalina OBEYED THE ROBOT
 
7:20 PM
@3ventic interesting
@3ventic retag it as untagged, let the close votes roll in
 
@3ventic I think it might be, but I haven't cast a vote as of yet.
 
21 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot
And because we are in the process of closing the two questions it has as an asnwer.
 
@kalina I already skipped it, I'm going to bed
 
@3ventic fine nn!
 
One more thing though
 
7:22 PM
we're going to need some votes on the community consensus meta post soon, it's turning into a 20+ answer question with no votes against any of the suggestions
 
I like how the community bulletin is all about cleanup
@kalina One answer is downvoted!
 
@3ventic you thought it was only a coincidence that there were four spaces and I asked four questions?
 
@kalina One of them is about burning the usb tag, not cleanup 2013
Cleaning up anyway
 
give it time
 
bah
I'll see in the morning
gn
 
7:23 PM
o/
 
@Yuki Find someone who does!
 
We're getting close to only ME3 being left with multiplayer
 
Apparently, YAGNI stands for Y ou A ren't G oing To N eed I t.
 
@Yuki Funny how that took us in a full circle.
 
I want bolding letters within a word now.
 
7:25 PM
@GraceNote Was about to say ... That's rather curious.
@Yuki It's been hashed out on MSO a couple of times, the answer remains no.
 
@FEichinger All righty then.
 
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Q: How do you challenge the 5th gym leader again?

tobiHow do you challenge the 5th gym leader again? He's not there, so I can't do so.

 
Things I just learned: Report Builder doesn't like a dataset being filtered by itself.
 
You've reached the maximum of 22 Deletion votes per day; come back in 4 hours
FOILED
 
7:27 PM
Someone with knowledge of the game want to go through ?
 
@kalina Your community consensus meta has lots and lots of downvotes on answers now, I hope you're happy!
 
@Yuki It's a limitation of the original Markdown format spec, and reworking that would break other things I believe.
 
@FEichinger did you just downvote everything?
 
@SevenSidedDie Yeah, that makes sense.
 
is no more.
 
7:29 PM
because that would be quite counter productive
 
@SevenSidedDie There were only 8 questions. I just deleted multiplayer.
 
@kalina Nah, I'm downvoting what I find too minor or duplicate of "better" questions. Which is to say a lot of them.
But certainly not all.
 
I want to try this stuff now
 
The only reason me3 has a -multiplayer tag is because of the quantity of questions regarding multiplayer only.
 
And with that said, I'm actually out of meta votes.
 
7:30 PM
@FEichinger Did you suggest the better questions as an answer/comment on the alternative?
 
@kalina I didn't even get to the bottom of the list yet!
 
@FEichinger kk
 
I'm going to continue with that in a couple of hours when I have meta votes again.
You sucked all the meta votes out of me, @kalina! You are an evil person!
 
@FEichinger ALL of them?
that is quite impressive
tbh, I'm nearly out of close votes, I'm out of delete votes
 
@kalina I'm pretty sure I have only voted on the questions you started today.
 
7:32 PM
I'm going to have to start flagging stuff for mod attention if I carry on tonight
 
@OrigamiRobot I'm wondering if it deserves an ac-revelations-multiplayer (too long?) tag. Is the multiplayer mode very different? Is that even a thing we care about? If it is, is it different enough? Anyway, someone else should be looking at that tag.
I'm a strange non-multiplayer gaming hermit.
@FEichinger There's a badge for that.
 
and I don't think the mods would appreciate 100 flags to action
 
@SevenSidedDie I don't caaaare. It's meta, what would I need meta badges for?
 
@SevenSidedDie I'd say "Hi Five" but as a fellow non-multiplayer hermit I feel that high fives is not something we do much.
 
@SevenSidedDie It is too long. It probably is different enough, but with so few questions, I don't think people are going to care. If someone wants to come up with a better tag, go for it, but in the interest of burning multiplayer, this should be fine for now.
 
7:33 PM
@FEichinger Displays of leetness.
 
So many commas,
 
list of answers on meta is definitely the way Stack Exchange was designed to work
 
@OrigamiRobot 'Kay. That was my suspicion, but I lack the experience with the game.
 
the voting system works so well when it has things to sort
 
@SevenSidedDie There's just different items and strategies. Nothing that steps on the toes of single player, which is the important thing IMO.
 
7:35 PM
@kalina To be fair, the system also works for pretty much every tech question because there's usually multiple solutions ... Not so much with Arqade where everything is basically forced to have one and only one definitive answer.
I mean, most of Arqade's site policy is purely focused on getting that one and only one answer.
 
@FEichinger I kinda want to strangle that sentence.
 
@GraceNote Why? :P
 
@FEichinger Because I'm not sure how we reached the point of your following statement, given what the very nature of gaming is.
 
@FEichinger ಠ_ಠ
 
It's like, every month while I was a pro-tem and an actual mod, I was stressing on Meta that "Single definitive answer" is dumb and antithetical to both how the site should work and how the site actually works.
 
7:37 PM
@GraceNote Well, it's one of those things that always irked me with the intense moderation on Arqade. It very much looks like we have indeed reached that point.
 
@GraceNote I hate this too, I'd much rather everything have ~5 answers on it
it work well with "tactics for bosses" questions
because everybody has their own way of doing it
 
Site policy for Arqade consists essentially of "Bomb everything that will not get an answer within X days." and "Bomb everything that could get too many answers in Y days."
Which is stupid.
 
@kalina To point, the number of boss questions I actually see are... very few in number.
 
@GraceNote thats why I posted all the payday 2 guides, I was hoping that more than just me would post on them and we'd get a couple of different methods of doing things
the diablo 3 questions had a lot of answers per question though
 
@FEichinger I do say that in seeing some of the questions that got closed from this recent tag purge we have folks going through, I'm not entirely sure I agree that they should have been closed.
 
7:40 PM
the process should fix anything legitimate that got closed
 
@GraceNote I haven't actually watched what is going on with the cleanup, but to be quite frank I do not think Arqade really needs a cleanup. The site is an ridiculously good state (as for answer rate and the like at any rate ....)
 
in that people should vote to reopen them
@FEichinger we have tags left over from the last cleanup
it is a very clean site in comparison to pretty much every other SE though
 
@kalina A cleanup is good for sites like AU that are just messy, but Arqade is ridiculously tidy. So much, in fact, that we're having the above conversation: It's too tidy in some respects.
 
we do still have a lot of old questions that are "officially" off topic though, and those get used by newcomers as justification for why their question is on topic
a lot of those are being uncovered by bumping loads of questions
 
@kalina So what? We have the historical lock for a reason, as much as people seem to loathe it.
 
7:42 PM
@FEichinger Bleh. Crappy close reason.
 
@FEichinger that would be alright if it got used
 
also yes, AU could use a cleanup
but AU doesn't have me
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so AU doesn't get cleaned up
 
(What's AU?)
 
@SevenSidedDie Ask Ubuntu
 
7:43 PM
ask ubuntu
 
Gold
 
Ask Ubuntu, our nemesis.
 
@kalina We're trying ... every now and then ... But usually we end up with low activity, so nothing happens.
@GraceNote sadface
 
@FEichinger Oh god, I can only imagine.
 
If somebody bumped me up to 20k rep so I had delete votes, I'd happily instigate a major cleanup of AU and then leave again
 
7:43 PM
@FEichinger Hey, rivalries are made to allow for both sides to get better. It's only in the spirit of how much we are superior that the underdog ever can climb and hope to succeed.
 
I joined in superuser's last cleanup and did it using flags and pissed off their mods
 
@GraceNote I would think our nemesis would be SciFi, not AU.
 
I'm not doing that again
 
@GraceNote That would be fine, if I hadn't more or less given up on AU myself.
 
doing a cleanup 5 questions at a time as to "not destroy the front page" is stupid as well
 
7:44 PM
holy crap, @OrigamiRobot. you might want to slow down with those edits. you ARE the front page right now. :)
 
@fbueckert I think SciFi is RPG.SE's nemesis, but it may be an apathetic nemesis-ing.
 
@fbueckert SciFi is what y'all enjoy raggin' on and came long after us, riding on our coattails like a lost child.
 
it's better to decimate the front page so it's a smoking crater once than do it every day
@AnnaLear you! no! SCHTOP!
decimation once > flooding the front page daily
 
I am become GSE
 
editor, wat r u doing. editor, stahp.
 
7:45 PM
AU came with us out the door and we've basically been fighting each other here and there. Or maybe it might just be between Marco and I.
 
@GraceNote Probably just you and Marco.
 
@GraceNote That sounds more likely.
 
@AnnaLear This is happening:
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Q: Cleanup 2013: It's time for consensus on... the multiplayer tag

kalinaThe multiplayer tag is not a good tag. Here are some previous resources for some "light" reading before we get started: Player Two Press Burninate? Should we keep the [Multiplayer] tag? The Great Arqade Clean-Up of 2012 Should we add more specific tags for ME3 questions? I'd rather this be di...

 
I think most of us are basically apathetic towards AU.
 
Y'all are a coddled generation.
 
7:46 PM
@AnnaLear we're rapidly approaching the end of decimation, the front page will reset in 3 hours during daylight hours
 
AU has few voters, therefore few high-rep users (and few active users), therefore a really low participation in site moderation, therefore holy shit is that a mess.
 
@kalina Bah, non-PST people. ;)
 
that's cool. love seeing an organized maintenance effort. :) just don't forget that new questions getting answers > tag clean up.
 
@GraceNote Point of fact, I'm probably quite close to you in age, if not older, I suspect.
 
@AnnaLear new questions appear on /questions and will not be ignored because we have a feed into chat
 
7:47 PM
Man, I had a whole thing to say about "General strategy may be non-specific to a game but we may still have advice to offer" but I lost it in the distraction of Marco.
MARCO!
 
@SevenSidedDie hey with our larger american userbase it's likely that it will reset overnight in 3 hours as well
I did all of my checking during daytime my time though, so I know it will reset in 3 hours during GMT daytime
 
OK, there are 3 non-me3 questions tagged
 
@fbueckert Depending on who you ask, I'm an ageless witch. So depending on your interpretation, I'm either eternally younger than y'all or eternally older than y'all.
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@kalina most of your users aren't going to /questions or visiting chat
 
Arqade has a very unusual questions to high-rep users ratio. We get very few questions for a site of this size (traffic), and we have lots of actively moderating users.
 
7:48 PM
Delete or retag them if you can find them
 
@GraceNote Schroedinger's Grace Note.
 
@AnnaLear we obeyed the "don't destroy the front page" ruling last year and it resulted in the tag cleanup getting abandoned
 
@GraceNote Ageless witches can still be 19.
 
puts @GraceNote in a box
 
@kalina I don't think the fault there is with the "don't destroy the front page" guideline. ;)
 
7:49 PM
@badp can you do this for us please meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/a/7865/52800
 
runs
 
@AnnaLear sure it is, I would have never stopped my editing last year if I hadn't been complained at by EVERYBODY and their cat.
 
@badp It's just a merge of xbox-controllers into controllers
 
I'd still prefer if SE implemented any of the ideas that would avoid the whole frontpage destruction for mass retags, but if the volume is high enough I can see how ruining the frontpage for a short while might be the lesser evil
 
7:49 PM
@Yuki That sounds about right.
 
@kalina ... I'm desperately looking for an @AnnaLear / cat joke in there, but I can't find it.
 
@MadScientist It has still been tossed here and there.
 
Side note: As much as I love the new Fairy-type, the Fairy-type trainers freak me the f--k out.
 
@GraceNote "just"?
 
@kalina No. Let me be clear. The best practice is to avoid destroying the front page. Yes, it can be annoying. Yes, it makes large-scale clean-ups harder. (I still have flashbacks to retagging 1000 [career] questions on ProgSE a handful at a time.) But, you choosing to stop editing because folks ask you to stop flooding the front page is a separate issue.
 
7:50 PM
@badp Yes. That's all they're trying to grab you aside for right now. Best you do that and sate them lest you find a bigger leash.
 
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Q: Do your pokemon stay fuller longer after feeding them a certain amount?

The UglyAt first, when you feed your pokemon in Pokemon-Amie, they become hungry again very quickly. I was wondering if, after feeding your pokemon a few puffs do they lose hunger more slowly? Almost like they had a different meter, and their hunger drained into it until it was full, and then would only ...

 
@badp it's only a handful of questions, we can do it by hand if you don't want too
 
today we're mering xbox-controller with controller
tomorrow we're merging controller with input
 
@MadScientist There are hunderds of retags that have happened until now.
 
then input with io
 
7:51 PM
I'm not even here to yell at anybody. Just dropped into give a friendly reminder to keep an eye on the front page as y'all edit.
 
@Yuki Must... avoid... obvious joke...
 
then io with human
 
@AnnaLear I'm not trying to argue!
 
@badp tomorrow we're merging every tag into !
 
then human with non-game-related
 
7:51 PM
@badp And then the world!
 
@badp humans are off topic on arqade
 
then non-game-related to ""
I CANNOT ALLOW THIS SLIPPERY SLOPE TO HAPPEN
 
@kalina Then we're on the same page. Ish. Enough, anyway. :)
 
@JasonBerkan Good idea!
 
Note that by "tossed here and there" I mean "Bounced ideas betwixt each other" and not "Thrown into garbage pails that are then hurled into garbage bins that are then flung into garbage barrels that are then hurtled into garbage compactors that are then catapulted into garbage incinerators". The latter is most definitely not happening.
 
7:52 PM
at least we're not burning the tag
 
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Q: Defending when playing as a sniper!

bdharWhen we are playing with a sniper, the only other gun which we have to defend myself is the sidearm/pistol. But the sidearm is too weak and inaccurate. If I have an enemy close to me who has a rifle/sub-machine gun and try to flank me, the sidearm doesn't help me much. Is there a better defense s...

 
Just to confuse me, my time reporting code for this project was swapped from 6580 to 6508
 
@badp Or you could've just done it instead of arguing here. Would have been quicker. :P
 
Don't know what game this is or even if it is about a specific game.
 
@OrigamiRobot check history
 
7:53 PM
@OrigamiRobot "Don't get shot" is always great advice in these situations.
 
Err, @OrigamiRobot, how did you add [untagged] to this question? That shouldn't be possible. o.O
haxxxxx
 
@OrigamiRobot !
 
@OrigamiRobot cod-united-offensive
 
@AnnaLear I see this as a real issue, on a slower site it is impossible to do larger retags without destroying the frontpage. I've given up mostly on larger retags myself because I was just too annoyed and frustrated about the limitations I encountered every time. It is far easier to do a lot of retags in a short time than to regularly do 5 of them every day for weeks
 
@GraceNote So ... the garbage disposal at SE is an endless chain of increasingly destructive containers for the garbage?
 
7:53 PM
@OrigamiRobot Fixed
 
@FEichinger Only for ideas.
 
@MadScientist I agree.
 
@AnnaLear Hah! I was right, then! Thank you.
 
@MadScientist this was the point I was trying to make
 
7:54 PM
@FEichinger Let's put it differently. I don't personally care for this trend towards losing what little meta-data we have about questions and xbox-controller looks like a fine tag to me. There's five moderators; surely you can find somebody else who feels differently about this
 
@OrigamiRobot cough @badp can you rename... hide
 
@badp Now, see, this is a better position to take.
And one I fully understand.
 
@FEichinger It's precisely the same position I took five minutes ago, just in a different form
 
@kalina If only... There's nothing wrong with the tag, but the questions it gets are sometimes hopelessly bad.
 
I recreated the [untagged] blacklist. That should be applied to every site in the network, but apparently it wasn't.
 
7:55 PM
I've at least two feature requests on MSO that deal with making mass retags possible without disrupting the frontpage, so I'll be a bit unfair and just put the responsibility on SE to do something about the whole issue ;-)
 
wait, that's it? No huge fight? You guys are just going to agree to respect each others opinion and move on?
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I don't really have an opinion on the details of the cleanup (for me, the Arqade tagging system is bollocks all around, but that's a different story).
 
I wish people would stop using windows for software development and then asking questions about it on SO.
 
This is ridiculous. I demand internet bloodshed.
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@MadScientist Like I said, tossing. Just, not the garbage kind.
 
7:56 PM
@Wipqozn DENIED
 
@ToxicFrog Huh?
 
...drat, drat, and double drat.
 
@GraceNote That was a quadruple drat.
 
@Wipqozn throws pie @Wipqozn
 
@FEichinger It is the traditional format of a quad-drat.
 
7:57 PM
@Yuki so, the windows command line sucks, the terminal emulator sucks, etc etc
 
@SevenSidedDie Ouch ...
That one was ... just ... no.
 
And people keep trying to started with python/lua/C/whatever, so they write a tiny little command line program, maybe a hello world
And then they double click on it and a black window flashes up for one frame and then vanishes.
 
@FEichinger You see? The alternative just doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi.
 
And then they post, on IRC or SO, asking what happened.
 
7:58 PM
@ToxicFrog That is not windows fault, that is PEBKAC
 
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Q: How do I repair a scratched game disc?

splattered bitsI have kids, which means I have scratched game discs that my systems can't read. Several months ago, I watched a video demonstrating how to repair scratched game discs using car polish. I tried that, and it didn't work. After a little more research, I found and purchased this plastic polishi...

hardware possibly?
 
@MBraedley Hardware, yeah.
 
I'm fine with that.
 

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