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@BenBrocka with?

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Q: Mighty Morpin Problems; lost Mutant Badass Varkid

I got the injector from Sir Hammerlock, injected the pod and this huge green badass thing popped out and killed me in the face. Now I can't find it nor can I inject another pod to achieve the same effect. The quest is still active asking me to kill the mutated varkid but it is no where to be fou...

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Q: Do I really score more for murdering everyone and hiding their bodies?

In most stealth games, the game rates you as having done the best job if you get in and out without anyone being suspicious, and without killing anyone. Mark of the Ninja is no different - there's a score bonus for being undetected, and a score bonus for making it through an entire level without...

mark-of-the-ninja

@OrigamiRobot reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/10m1u6/…

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@fbueckert WHY CANT I JUST TELEPORT AUGH

powerleveling, you have to do it coop

@Lazers MUUUUURDUUUUR

5:00 PM

lunchtime

@AshleyNunn Because quantum entanglement's a bitch, and won't play nice with my experiments?

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@fbueckert grumble

@BenBrocka Not only is this a link to reddit, but this guy says "toons"

So much hate.

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Opened a fruit cup. Mentally expecting peaches, but it was mandarin oranges. I was very confused for a moment there.

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5:18 PM

@fbueckert new (FREE!) kairosoft game out for Android today - Beastie Bay

@AshleyNunn Oh, this is probably the microtransaction one.

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(it's ad based, so you can pay to remove ads)

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@fbueckert Blerrrrgh, no, Kairsoft, don't go down that paaaaath

@AshleyNunn It's probably an experiment in how well it works.

argh. Why can't I be a wonderful hero

5:20 PM

Their games already are far above the average price for mobile gaming, so I'm not sure why they would do this.

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@fbueckert I don't want it to be a thing that they do. I really don't.

@AshleyNunn Ditto; I'll happily pay $5 for their games, but I hate microtransactions with a passion.

Oh, finally.

I guess not a lot of people have Half Minute Hero on Steam yet, since I've just posted the 11th "best time ever" for this map.

27"41 isn't even that amazing...

@badp maybe you're just elite. Don't discount the possibility. embrace it!

@Lazers What is it with you and murder titles?

5:25 PM

@agent86 lol, I'm 1,178th on the very first level

Let's see if I can get some sub 10 second action too

@fbueckert last night I was trying to explain how I took care of three guards by hanging one from a platform, then distracting another guard into the room so he could see his buddy dangle, and then I murdered that guy and threw him at the third guy just to freak him out too. she kept looking at me like there was something wrong with me.

Maybe the first 30 seconds don't count?

I told her I could have just snuck past them, but really, choosing between that and stabbing him through the neck with my sword? who wouldn't take the sword, honestly?

I mean, that's like 200+ points you're leaving on the table.

@agent86 You're turning into a psychopathic murderer!

Won't be long before you start looking at people and thinking, "So....many....points...."

@fbueckert turning into? laughs

5:31 PM

@agent86 Is this a PC game, by the way?

oh, son, I've been there a long time. I have business cards that read "agent86: psychopathic murderer. Ask about our neck-stab combo specials!"

@fbueckert soon. It's XBLA for now, but steam in October, I believe.

@agent86 Sounds like Bulletstorm would've been something you'd've enjoyed greatly.

@fbueckert I played the demo, and it was okay. I kind of like stealth games, and this is right up my alley. it's sort of like the batman predator sections

3 mins ago, by agent86

I told her I could have just snuck past them, but really, choosing between that and stabbing him through the neck with my sword? who wouldn't take the sword, honestly?

You like stealth games, but then you out and out murder everything anyways?

@fbueckert yeah, he didn't see the murder coming. Therefore, stealth.

5:35 PM

Okay, 6 seconds is more like it indeed

rather than 21

in another scenario, I pulled a guy off a ledge and stabbed him, and his body fell down and spooked two other guards, who reacted by firing indiscriminately around the room, killing each other. Good times.

19th place <_<

@agent86 I have a feeling you wouldn't like the Hitman games all that much.

@fbueckert hitman's ok, I've played a couple of them. I play assassin's creed and splinter cell as well, but I hate hate hate metal gear

SC:Conviction was freaking awesome, imho

@agent86 Conviction was amazing. Especially playing coop

5:37 PM

@agent86 No AC for me. Ever. Never tried Splinter Cell (unless Syphon Filter was part of it), and haven't played any Metal Gear either.

@SaintWacko indeed. I convinced @EBongo to play with me, although his idea of "stealth" is not always very... stealthy.

The only thing I didn't like about Conviction was that they removed the ability to move bodies around

at one point he was reenacting the climax of Scarface with a room full of armed guards. I never tire of telling that story.

@agent86 My friend and I would usually play the game mode where if you were detected, it was game over

So we had to stay stealthy :D

Man, now I want to play that

@fbueckert pick up conviction if you get the chance, although you won't "get" the story if you start there, it's the most accessible (and, imho, fun) game in the stealth genre I've played in a while, until mark of the ninja.

5:40 PM

But I have too many other games I need to play too

@SaintWacko I played that game when my second was a baby and I had to stay up late to keep an eye on him. 100% of the achievements, woo!

Being able to tag and dual execute is a lot of fun

@agent86 I've got a replay of UFO:Aftermath to play now.

And D3. And lots of other stuff.

@agent86 I don't think I ever got 100% lol

well, I'll just throw this out in general - if you like stealth, mark of the ninja is probably my favorite game of the year thus far.

on XBLA now, and Steam in october.

worth it at $10 or so easily

5:41 PM

@agent86 Star Command is (hopefully) being released by the middle of October.

@fbueckert I've heard vague things about this game and a kickstarter, although I've spent 0 minutes investigating it

@agent86 Yeah, they missed their initial release date by over a year, and they've missed the summer 2012 one, too.

So, if they miss this rough one, I'm going to conclude the game is vapourware.

The only reason I can imagine I'm getting high in the leaderboards is the japanese already destroyed the game on the PSP, they cba to do it again on Steam

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Is Steam even available in Japan?

5:57 PM

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@Wipqozn facedesk

@Wipqozn sounds like typical Woot copy :)

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Every millisecond counts

@MarkTrapp I think so, yeah.

Woot 2 minutes 57 seconds!!!!

if you want more of woot riffing on the deathadder, might I suggest: google.com/search?q=woot+deathadder

they sell them on there fairly frequently... I don't know if that means it sucks, or they just have a lot of refurbs for whatever reason...

6:01 PM

/megaultrasuperduperdoubleneutronstarcollapsingfacepalm — Won't Sep 7 '11 at 20:32

I think I just found my most favorite comment.

@Wipqozn Aw yeah baby, precision crop-clicking

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, I hate hearing "toons". Sounds like it's an awesome way to power level new characters though

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@badp XSEED has said that half minute hero was their worst performing title, so maybe that's just playing out again on Steam

I'd like to at least power level a couple chars enough to get the achievements for the other classes' action abilities and a mid-level character to play with my slower friends

@MarkTrapp It's certainly not a great port

And don't blame me, @Jin found the link

6:03 PM

It does have flaws. I've still wanted to play this game for very long.

Blame @Jin for everything forever

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@badp That's a shame. The localization was excellent

@MarkTrapp The localization is still excellent, but it still fully expects you to use a controller.

So even if you have a keyboard in front of you, you still get this...

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Q: How does the Shrine of the Gunbringer work?

I came across the Shrine of the Gunbringer where it looks like I can sacrifice something or someone it the main chamber.... How does it work and how can I use it? I saw a video of it here but when I tried jumping in it & having my friend hit the lever, it didn't do anything. Is there any cr...

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Q: What PSN add-ons come with materials in LBP2?

Just wondering which PSN add-ons/bundle packs actually come with content besides costumes? Do they all? It doesn't say in the description but I have heard references to, specifically, the Toy Story pack coming with at least one material.

psn little-big-planet-2

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Q: I can't clear a rock in the park in Dragonvale

I just began playing this game for the first time and I'm already stuck. I believe I'm still in the intro phase and one of my quests is to remove a rock. Unfortunately when I tap on the "remove rock" icon it's gray'd out. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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Sure, it's not like I can type red heart or yellow star or blue song

I mean, yeah, ZXC + arrows is kind of the yin to the WASD + mouse yang

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6:08 PM

Aha

@badp There's no key remapping?

@fbueckert You can remap, but I don't think it changes the icons in there.

@MarkTrapp Hey, did you ever get the DLC for XIII-2?

Also, the remapping screen is... not helpful.

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@fbueckert Yeah, I have all the DLC. Even the costumes!

6:09 PM

@MarkTrapp I bought Sahz's and Lightning's DLC, but those seem to be the only story-based ones.

Do any of the Coliseum battles actually add to the story?

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@badp That looks like someone tried to obfuscate what the keys did.

@fbueckert It does look like a begrudging concession that really doesn't help.

Or was just really, REALLY, lazy.

In Italian we'd call that "dare il contentino" to PC gamers

"There, happy? Key remap. Have at it. (jeez)"

6:12 PM

@badp That wouldn't translate to something like consolitis, would it?

No, "dare il contentino" means giving up the bare minimum that makes you shut up without actually addressing your problem

Google Translate suggests "give the sop", but I never heard "sop" was a word.

Indeed it's wrong.

@badp It's a sop to the uninformed.

It is a word, just rarely used.

Yes, my brain is full of eclectic and strange vocabulary.

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@fbueckert Snow's DLC is story, too, but it's really just a set of glorified Coliseum battles. Could probably just watch a YouTube video of it

Comes with the territory.

Something entirely soaked.
A piece of solid food to be soaked in liquid food.
Something given or done to pacify or bribe.
A weak, easily frightened or ineffectual person; a milksop
Gravy. (Appalachian)

↑ none of that

6:15 PM

> Something given or done to pacify or bribe.

oh wait, that

eh...

that's not quite it but whatever.

Sounds just like it.

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@fbueckert All the Coliseum battles come with some backstory (pretty much a datalog entry and a short cutscene) for explaining why the opponent is there. Snow's DLC actually has length cutscenes though

geez... "alternate ending" to half-life - youtube.com/watch?v=rSV8yDDznGc

@agent86 I like that, "[NO SFM]"

LOOK MAH NOSCOPE 360° WALLHACK BANANASHOT

6:16 PM

@MarkTrapp I'll grab Snow's DLC, too, then, but that's about it. I don't need more battles; already platinumed the game.

Anyway, the worst part about the keyboard config of Half Minute Hero, at least right now, is that the function keys double up as directional keys in Princess 30 - a twin shooter

As I said early, they double up in the worst way possible.

@badp Yeah, I saw that.

So it's not like I can just "fix that" with keyboard remapping :(

...not without screwing up everything else in place and having the game telling me to press C to continue and wait C was up right? so I need to press S instead.

Yeah, sounds like someone half-assed the remapping functionality.

Hi, anybody know what our stance on stuff like this is? gaming.stackexchange.com/review-beta/suggested-edits/11499

The text equations have been replaced with pictures

6:26 PM

@kotekzot Enhanced. I made a point of leaving the originals as alt texts.

Personally I feel this is unnecessary and detrimental for such simple equations

Half assed? That's quarter-assed at best

@MartinSojka That font is a little on the iffy side.

Anyway, SadlyNot expressed the desire to have proper LaTeX equations in there, so I obliged.

It prettifies the equations, but makes it harder to read.

6:27 PM

@kotekzot that poorly rendered font is not an upgrade

@fbueckert I just left the default in; you can pick a different one on the web site I listed in the comment. IIRC it's actually the same font as used by MathJax.

@MartinSojka you can't have <sup> in alt text

Granted the Mathjax font is pretty ugly even rendered properly unless it at least 20pt or something

@kotekzot I'm pretty damn sure there's nothing in the HTML specs prohibiting this ...

@MartinSojka I think it's iffy because fractional exponents in LaTeX (as you wrote them) are kind of hard to read. I think it would be better to use something like $(Badass Tokens)^(9/5)$ instead

6:30 PM

@MartinSojka ok, you can't have useful <sup> in alt text

@kotekzot Rejected as too minor

... and I have to corrrect myself, MathJax actually uses their own font, MathJax_AMS; not sure what the source of that is, but it looks similar.

I'm not opposed in principle, but that post certainly doesn't need the help.

I personally think that the text equations with superscripts are fine

I know there's other posts with equations in pre blocks; those need the love.

(I don't know which ones though. At least one of my answers is like this though IIRC)

(I don't know how'd you look for them either.)

6:34 PM

@badp I'd leave it up to the OP as a matter of taste, but that works too

@badp If I see any, I'll be happy to suggests edits. My own answers over at gamedev.SE are usually rather equation-heavy anyway, so that's quickly done. :)

@kotekzot I think that if an edit can substantially improve the readability of math in the post, it is worth doing

@MartinSojka You still don't have 2k? man.

I wonder if I have any like that

@murgatroid99 oh, absolutely, but I wasn't convinced that particular edit did that.

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6:35 PM

@MartinSojka Please don't like, actively seek them out and suggest 30 edits. Pre-blocked formulae isn't ideal, but they aren't detrimental to the site that they need to be bulk fixed

@badp I still don't care about reputation enough to bother.

@kotekzot I see. I agree with you there

@MartinSojka but editing! closing! viewing flags!

@MarkTrapp I didn't plan to search for them.

If you're going to paste MathJax images in posts, please only do it with screens of the font well-rendered

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6:36 PM

@MartinSojka okay good: then we cool

@BenBrocka lol, is that what we've gone down to? posting screencaps of equations?

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Someone should write an indignant meta post decrying SE for not enabling MathJax on Arqade

@badp I was going to show you the suggested edit I was talking about but I see you've rejected it since

@BenBrocka I don't use MathJax - I use codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php

@BenBrocka Yeah, LaTeX doesn't exactly know what a transparent PNG is.

6:37 PM

I'd rather write an indignant post on how terrible their font looks on a screen

@BenBrocka Oh, I don't think it's the font at all. I don't know why exporting to images makes the font look like crap, but it's not the font.

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Because you can't do subpixel rendering in a bitmap

it's crappier than that.

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Also, low res imagery

Well ... next time, I'll just embed the SVG version then. ;)

6:39 PM

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@badp Bleh

That looks horrible on grey.

@badp The only part of that that really bothers me is the vertical fraction in the exponent. It's unreadable

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@badp that's totally due to lack of sub-pixel rendering combined with the image being low-resolution. Either you get really wispy-looking text or you get overly bolded text

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@BenBrocka nowai man, you asked the PL question first

6:41 PM

This is what I get by screencapping the equation from a PDF

I think it looks better like this

@badp Subpixel rendering is an issue, but the font still looks like crap even as a real font on most screens. Need very high DPI or very large font point for it to look okay

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There's no subpixel rendering there

I wonder if it looks better on the iPad 3...can't check without wifi though

6:42 PM

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@badp That looks like it's converting a normal font to oblique instead of using the correct Italic version of the font. Also, the kerning is way off

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@fbueckert yeah I would much rather pay the money to them right off instead of this new free to play thing but so far the ads aren't so bad - mostly just "tell your friends about this game"

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and since it is in the style of the game itself I ignore it easily.

SVG version looks like this:

"Failed to load image"? Really???

@MarkTrapp Actually it's reading "Magnitude" as M times a times g times n times ...

That's why it's all screwed up

6:43 PM

... oh, FFS chat ...

@badp right, that's why you should use $\text{Magnitude}$

@murgatroid99 but then it's not italic!

@MartinSojka svg should work

@badp It shouldn't be!

@BenBrocka I think it's the parameters at the end of the url. That always seems to mess it up

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This is what it should be!

6:44 PM

@BenBrocka Nope, it doesn't.

(pardon the LyX shootout)

@badp yes, but once your are using whole words, it doesn't look right

I just downloaded the image and saved it on the computer as plain SVG file and tried uploading it here.

@murgatroid99 fuck words.

Well, that's a separate issue

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6:46 PM

All I'm saying is that using TeX/LyX/MathML/MathJax to "prettify" basic formulae is just a demonstration in how many people don't know anything about typography

:6313000 Firefox just freaked out with that picture.

Huh, yeah, the params are probably a bit much

@BenBrocka I think it works if you download and then upload

That's how I did it

This page contains the following errors:

error on line 25 at column 1080: AttValue: ' expected
Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error.

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I get that too

6:47 PM

Same

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Actually, it fails on "error on line 87 at column 1: Extra content at the end of the document" for me

I think you need to fix the large fn_cm stuff you have there

don't you need slashes and stuff?

@badp chat might be sanitizing the URL

You want slashes? I got slashes //////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

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I don't understand why your SVG generation programs are defining the glyphs as paths that's ridiculous

6:49 PM

@MarkTrapp so you can zoom in 5,000,000%?!??!?!?

@MarkTrapp without having the font installed that is

@MarkTrapp what SVG generation program is doing that?

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@badp YOU CAN DO THAT WITH REGULAR NON-BITMAP FONTS!

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@murgatroid99 The SVGs that Ben and Martin linked to did that

@MarkTrapp I don't see any non-broken SVGs

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@murgatroid99 Download the SVG, view it as text (SVG is just XML). All the glyphs are path elements

6:51 PM

@MarkTrapp yeah, now I see it on Martin's

See SVGs do work

it's that weirdass URL

So has our Community Facebook page officially dried up?

@BenBrocka I'm pretty sure the URL has to end in an image extension for chat to correctly embed it

@RedRiderX well, @Ronan hasn't gone AFK or anything, maybe it just slipped up?

Or is there a more Arqade-y one?

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6:53 PM

Do we need a Facebook page?

@murgatroid99 you can preface the URL with a ! to make it work...usually

@MarkTrapp I was wondering that too.

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YouTube I can see, but I can't imagine what requires Facebook to promulgate

@BenBrocka oh. I've never tried that

It's 1337 h@x, keep it on the down low (he said in the public chatroom)

6:57 PM

@BenBrocka Linking to external SVGs work if the chat recognises them. Uploading them (in chat or while asking a question) to imgur doesn't; I get "Failed to upload image; the format is not supported" when I try in the "ask a question" form.

We do have both Twitter and Google+ accounts, so maybe they are enough.

Really? Hmmm...that may be an Imgur problem, I have no idea if they support SVGs

looks like they don't

@BenBrocka confirmed

@RedRiderX But you gotta get the facebooks man! Gotta make an Open graph app so you can spam everyone everyplace everytime!

@BenBrocka And therein lies the reason why I rarely join things through Facebook.

7:02 PM

@fbueckert You can just disable that and/or have it visible only to you with everything.

@Ullallulloo Nope. Extra work to filter out junk?

I unfriended somebody because he used his personal space to just blast advertisements for the used car place he worked for.

I'll just not join them. Period.

@fbueckert Clicking "Skip" instead of "Allow" when it asks for permission to post to your wall is too much work?

@Ullallulloo I just don't join them.

Same reason I don't play Facebook "games".

With open graph crap you have to block each app individually I think...though I'd gladly opt out of all of them forever

"Your friend just listened to 40 songs on spotify! Allow me to enumerate them one by one, filling your entire newsfeed!!"

I already have to tear through my friend's posts to block all the stupid app spam. Happily, I seem to have blocked almost all of them at this point.

7:07 PM

@RedRiderX It's now facebook.com/thearqadecommunity

@fbueckert I had everything blocked for a long time, but now I've started getting app requests again :(

@SaintWacko I wonder if there's an option to disallow app spam entirely?

@RonanForman Ah thank you. Google+ still links to the old one btw.

@RedRiderX Oh right, thanks.

Changed!

Would using this icon in a steam link on a non-commercial website be fair use, or should I attribute the author somehow?

7:26 PM

@RedRiderX the license says it all: Creative Commons (Attribution 3.0 Unported)

If you don't like it, "Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder."

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Q: 3-Day Passes available for New York Comic Con 2012, October 12-14

New York Comic Con is soon approaching (October 12-14). For any users interested in attending, Stack Exchange has 3-day passes available. Please note that Stack Exchange is only providing 3-day passes; we are not responsible for travel or lodging. Those receiving a 3-day pass will get a Stack E...

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@badp True

@fbueckert I keep meaning to look for an option like that

@AshleyNunn Apparently the new game is not compatible with my phone. ><

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7:36 PM

@RedRiderX using icons are generally subject to trademark laws, not copyright, and that would certainly be something Steam would want to defend

So I keep finding odd things in Hero 30 and I feel like posting on the site about it

however sometimes I stop myself and fear I might be seen as spamming or seeding

like I'd found a way to post a sub-7 seconds time on the first level, but then I refrained

now I've found a way to get the maximum rank for Spirit Forest, but I think I'll refrain too

I dunno. What should I do?

@MarkTrapp Oddly Valve has trademark guidelines but they're only for DOTA valvesoftware.com/trademarkguidelines.html

I mean, the 7-second time seems like an odd thing that few would be interested in

and the maximum rank question, that seems more useful, boils down to

How can you get Beautiful Evil Lord on Spirit Forest?

Even after upgrading my maximum mana a couple of times I always seem to take too much time.

What am I doing wrong?

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The victory condition for this level is to simply touch the Earth Spirit at the end. All you need to do is squeeze through opposition and touch it.

It feels... spammy on my part. Am I overthinking this?

What dost thou, most beautiful community, think in your perennial consensus-less status

@BenBrocka I guess they inherited them from the original DOTA 1 team?

@badp I'd assume so. I mean "oddly" as in I was looking for Steam trademark guidelines, not DOTA ones though

Google and Twitter are good about having rather clear guidelines

kittens kittens kittens

7:49 PM

@BenBrocka Yes, making nice steam links is frustrating in this regard.

@agent86 Why would I watch kittens when I can pet my own, right here, right now?

Their lack of guidelines, that is.

@badp why are you typing messages when you could be petting a kitten? priorities, man, priorities!

@agent86 BECAUSE SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET. duh

@badp ah yes. that takes precedence.

some days I can bearly tear myself away from the wrongness long enough to eat.

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Q: 3-Day Passes available for New York Comic Con 2012, October 12-14

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@badp sounds fine to me if you've found legitimately useful info

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@Lazers what does this have to do with video gaming

I've done it a few times

@BenBrocka It's more like how to speedrun rather than actual how to play. Although to be fair, pleasurable speedrunning is kind of the point of Hero 30

@badp If it's for an achievement or anything a normal person might possibly want to do it still seems fine

@MarkTrapp Comics aren't video games? No wonder this $%&^ing controller doesn't work

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7:54 PM

Don't even get an Arqade t-shirt but a gasp SciFi one

Video game companies exhibit all of their games at comic cons, not just comic book related games. For example, Alienware, the custom gaming PC company, usually has the biggest and most elaborate setup of any company on the floor. On top of that, vendors sell new and vintage games as well as merchandise for games. Comic cons are never just "comic" cons anymore; the term "comic con" is a blanket term (albeit inaccurate) used to include comics, film, television, video games, anime, etc. — Brett White Aug 18 '11 at 13:21

Ooh, new comment one-boxing. :)

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@Ullallulloo OLDER THAN THE INTERNET

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Also, did anyone go to last year's NYCC and can corroborate what seems like a really specious claim about video game presence at NYCC? I follow a lot of industry commentators and nobody mentioned NYCC as being even on the radar

@yx. I've already emailed PAX East about involvement. We are planning on doing an event! — Brett White Nov 4 '11 at 14:04

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