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1:14 PM
Good morning, Bridge
@SaintWacko I like the taste, but coffee doesn't really do anything to me.
As evidenced by my drinking gallons and gallons of tea this week.
 
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Q: Is there an Anarchy equivalent in Borderlands 2?

Ben BrockaI always carried one Non-elemental gun in Borderlands 1: the Anarchy SMG because of it's insane damage, firing 4 bullets per shot at a high rate of fire, all the while with decent damage per bullet to boot. I haven't seen much like that in Borderlands 2 except early on I got a Blue SMG with red ...

 
@fbueckert I'm really not that fond of the taste. Not by itself, anyways. Hence the Mountain Dew
 
@SaintWacko Americans get non-sucky Mountain Dew.
Canadians get caffeine-free Dew.
 
@fbueckert Ew, that sucks. Why's that?
 
@SaintWacko I haven't a clue.
I just know our Dew sucks.
 
1:21 PM
@fbueckert Hm, odd
 
@SaintWacko Probably something to do with out equivalent FDA, or whatever.
I mean, heck, bath salts just got thrown onto the controlled substances list.
 
@fbueckert Yeah, I wonder what would cause them to crack down on something like that, though
 
I put phones everywhere in my prison. But one prisoner refused to use them, got homesick, stole a knife from the kitchen, and stabbed everybody.
 
@fbueckert All Mountain Dew sucks.
 
@OrigamiRobot Voltage doesn't
@StrixVaria Okay, I'm going to have to get that
 
1:28 PM
@StrixVaria That really does sound like Dwarf Fortress
 
It really sounds like Dwarf- Damnit, @fbueckert
 
@SaintWacko He does that to me all the time.
 
@SaintWacko I'm not talking about variants.
 
@SaintWacko Keep up!
 
@OrigamiRobot Oh, okay
@fbueckert It's early! I can't type fast yet!
 
1:29 PM
Voltage tastes like gummi worms
 
1 min ago, by OrigamiRobot
@fbueckert All Mountain Dew sucks.
You said "All".
That implies that, yes, you WERE talking about variants.
 
@fbueckert Mountain Dew the drink, not Mountain Dew the brand.
 
@StrixVaria On Kongregate, we'd call that "ninja'd!"
 
Nobody calls is Mountain Dew: Voltage
They just call it Voltage
 
@OrigamiRobot But it is Mountain Dew, is it not?
@SaintWacko Blah, blah, excuses, excuses.
 
1:31 PM
No, it is not!
That's like saying Dasani is Coke
 
@OrigamiRobot You mean you don't call it Coke: Dasani?
 
Looking forward to XCOM? Me too! I'm so excited!
 
You do have a point, though
 
@OrigamiRobot Branding disagrees with you.
@Sterno Really? REALLY!?
I know better than to click that link.
 
Although I believe most people would take "All Mountain Dew" to include Voltage
@fbueckert It was a little obvious
 
1:33 PM
@SaintWacko Well, most people are dumb.
 
@OrigamiRobot Very true.
 
@OrigamiRobot Welcome to the world! Here's your honorary non-dumb membership card.
 
@fbueckert Wasn't feeling inspired today. This is hard to do week after week, you know!
 
When I say Mountain Dew, I mean Mountain Dew, Mellow Yellow, Mountain Lightning, Mountain Lion, and all the other drinks that taste like them. Those are the same.
Voltage, Baja Blast, Code Red, etc are all completely different drinks
 
@OrigamiRobot Yeah, regular Mountain Dew is pretty bad. I love the variants, though. I just wish Typhoon had won the last Dewmocracy thing
I still have five cans of that...
 
1:38 PM
Oh, hey. I have access to the suggested edits queue now.
 
@SaintWacko Never had that.
 
@OrigamiRobot Did you ever try the Halo 3 limited edition Mountain Dew?
 
I hate it when I go somewhere and ask for Dr Pepper and they say "We ahve Mr Pibb, is that ok?"
YES IT IS OK THEY ARE THE SAME THING
 
@OrigamiRobot It's the same debate between Pepsi and Coke.
 
pepsi and coke are not the same.
 
1:41 PM
@TrentHawkins Same to me. They both taste equally bad
 
@TrentHawkins You don't have a say in this debate. You drink root beer.
 
@fbueckert What's wrong with root beer?
 
@SaintWacko Nothing. Love root beer.
 
@fbueckert Root beer is the best
 
dandelion and burdock
 
1:42 PM
@fbueckert Well... good, then...
 
@fbueckert Mug (pepsi) is the worst rootbeer.
 
Except Jones. Jones root beer is the worst.
 
@TrentHawkins Oh. We're talking BRANDS now.
Ok. Yeah, in that sense, pepsi and coke are not the same.
The drinks themselves, though, might as well be.
 
@fbueckert Different brands of root beer definitely taste different, though
 
@SaintWacko That, I agree with.
 
1:45 PM
@fbueckert Pepsi (the drink) is sweeter and has a smoother texture than coke. and why it is inferior... (side note, "new coke" was more like pepsi)
 
Are we seriously debating drink qualities on a Friday morning?
Do none of us have anything better to do?
 
@fbueckert no.
 
and no. in that order
 
@fbueckert 14:46
 
1:47 PM
@pixel 8:46.
 
@pixel Man, you're just really stuck on that whole "not morning" thing :P
 
@TrentHawkins You, I understand.
 
@fbueckert If I'm not allowed to point out that it's not morning everywhere, you're not allowed to point out it's not the afternoon where you are.
 
And yeah, 8:46
 
Everybody else, though, myself included, is probably at work.
And should probably BE working. :P
 
1:48 PM
@SaintWacko Of course I am, if it were still morning it would be my worst nightmare - it would mean more hours until hometime
 
@fbueckert Working... right... that thing
 
@fbueckert I linked a picture earlier relevant to this
 
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Q: Rome: Total War Gold Editon failed to contact key server

RustyMembersI just bought Rome: Total War Gold Edition on Steam - however, when I try to play it, a message comes up and says Failed to contact key server. Do I need to have the standard Rome game first?

 
@pixel So...not, then.
 
1:49 PM
extremely busy
farming reputation and materials
 
I've got Torchlight 2 running in windowed borderless behind this window
 
see, it's not just me
 
But that's mostly because I'm waiting for some data
 
yeah, well, I'm waiting too
for... something
Hometime! That is what I am waiting for, I am waiting for hometime
Thus the idea of it being morning upsets me
 
@pixel Yeah, the idea of it being morning upsets me too
 
1:52 PM
@SaintWacko Except being upset doesn't make it not-morning.
 
@fbueckert Sadly
 
@SaintWacko Eh. Mornings are cool. So much better than late nights.
 
@fbueckert If we're talking working, yeah
Generally being awake, though, I prefer the night
 
@SaintWacko I should mention I'm a morning person.
Alarm goes off, I jump out of bed.
 
@fbueckert Ah. You're one of those people
I don't ever jump out of bed
 
1:54 PM
@SaintWacko Indeed
 
Although part of that is because I have a loft bed
 
Also, 1.0.5 patch note:
> The chance for Legendary and set items to drop has been doubled
 
user15026
I am sorta a morning person if I can take it at my own pace. But I prefer later evenings.
 
Yay!
I have the feeling if I ever ran into any of you right after we all woke up, I would be universally loathed.
 
@fbueckert Most likely
 
1:58 PM
Then again, my brain never takes a break. It just switches gears.
"Oh, it's time to sleep?" switches to random thoughts
 
And I do my best to throw wrenches into those gears!
 
@fbueckert I think I'm going to just wait for the patch where they give you a legendary every time you log in.
 
I am not a morning person
 
I played D3 for a couple weeks when it first released, then stopped around the time the real money AH came out
It's just not as much fun as D2
 
@SaintWacko pretty much the same
 
2:00 PM
Too short, for one. They want you to get to Inferno so you have to buy gear from the AH -.-
 
I played for a few weeks after the AH so I could sell all my stuff
 
@pixel For real money?
Torchlight 2 is much more fun than D3
Also, no modding in D3. For shame, Blizzard
 
@SaintWacko no for cake. I listed items on the real money auction house for cake.
 
@pixel I'd do that
 
I got quite a lot of cake out of it
 
2:02 PM
Mmm, cake
 
Certainly enough to pay for the cake that started it all
Although in fairness I got that cake for free
Due to my wow annual cake
so all together, I made a cake profit
 
What level gear was it?
 
I was in act 4 inferno when I quit
full set of DH gear with IAS
full set of wiz gear with crit
 
Ah, nice
 
@TrentHawkins Yes.
You get evil glares when you manage it.
 
user15026
2:35 PM
From the random things that come in my mail category - I will likely have a size medium sour patch kids shirt that I do not need (I wear a large). So yeah. Anyone want? (grey shirt, with a black silhouette of a sour patch kid)
 
Ok. Question for those who play Borderlands 2.
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Q: How long does "Killer" last?

SeanThe Assassin/Zero/Zer0's "Killer" skill: Kill Skill. Killing an enemy gives you bonus Critical Hit Damage and Reload Speed for a few seconds. How does the "Killer" skill work? How long is a few seconds here? Does the effect stack or just renew?

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Q: How long is "a few seconds"?

Ben BrockaThe Kill Skills in Borderlands 2, like BL1, all say they last "a few seconds" and don't give explicit lengths. Since they're not listed in the stats for the skill (as length for Kill Skills doesn't increase) there's no way to tell from the interface alone. Exactly how long do these skills last?...

One's about a specific Kill Skill, the other is a generic Kill Skill question.
We've got a user posting the same answer on both, which leads me to believe we only need ONE of these.
Preferably the generic Kill Skill question.
 
@fbueckert Yeah, the generic one would probably be better. Even if "a few seconds" is different for every kill skill, it still won't be that big of a list
 
How do you figure out the exact time a question was posted?
Feel a little weird about closing the more specific one if it was posted first
 
@Sterno hover over the time text, has a tooltip
 
So the more specific was first
 
2:47 PM
@Sterno Yeah, Sean's was asked first.
 
Definitely not a fan of closing his then
 
Maybe comment on it and ask if he minds closing it in favor of the generic question
 
I'm not sure that the world will collapse in on itself if we left both open
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gasp
 
Goodness gracious, Princess 30 is unplayable with a keyboard
 
2:48 PM
@pixel Yeah, I find it hard to get terribly worked up about this in either direction.
 
As it stands, no big deal.
We can just close any extras that come our way as a dupe of the generic one.
 
yes
 
Okay, so C shoots right, S shoots left, I think Z shoots up and X shoots down
That makes sense, right?
 ←
↓↑→
 
I just don't like double standards of that nature; unless the mechanic differs drastically, there should only be a single, generic question.
 
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Q: I'm looking for web codes for these Skylanders

Chloe CoultI'm looking for the web codes for these Skylanders: Spryo Double Trouble Eroptur Chop Chop Gill Grunt Trigger Happy Zap I might have lost them. I put all my codes in the starter pack so I don't lose them. I always put my codes in there, but my mum put the box somewhere and I can't find it an...

 
2:51 PM
And leaving the specific question open will encourage others to post questions about their specific skill.
 
@badp no way to remap keys?
 
@fbueckert by "will" you mean "could possibly" surely
 
@SaintWacko They map to X, Y, A, B on a controller, so while you can change them you change the controls for the whole game - including menus and other games in Half Minute Hero
 
if not, can I have your time machine please
 
@pixel Nope. It's MINE.
 
2:52 PM
@fbueckert Yeah, but the problem is we don't really know if they're the same or not until we get an answer. I mean, we can assume kill skills are all the same duration, but I have no idea
 
@Sterno I don't foresee there being that many Kill Skills that we can't just dump them ALL into a single answer.
 
@Sterno Even if they're not, there aren't all that many kill skills. A list of all of them won't exceed the 50ish limit
 
I mean, what? Each character has two or three?
 
Just one, I think, per character
 
@Sterno No, more than that
Certainly no more than 10 each, though
And I think quite a bit less
 
2:54 PM
guys, let me harmlessly check out the easter egg
insert coin
 
Alternate solution: The handy question merge!
 
Say 6 per character, or so? Two per skill tree maybe
 
@Sterno That, I can agree with.
 
I think I'm confusing Kill Skill with that countdown window where you have to kill someone before you die
 
@Sterno That's....Fight for your Life?
 
2:55 PM
Yeah
 
Yeah, Kill Skills proc when you kill stuff.
 
What are we talking about?
 
Loved those for Roland in the first one.
 
Yeah, I remember now I had one for commando that reduced recoil and increased fire rate or something
it was boring and sucked and I respecced it :)
 
@OrigamiRobot Start here
@Sterno I loved that one.
It was awesome.
 
2:56 PM
The easter egg was nice. Thanks for the fun time :P
 
I mostly snipe, so it was worthless.
(to me)
 
I had a fully automatic assault rifle that took my entire ammo stock in a single clip.
 
wait I'd got it wrong
This is how it is
 
@fbueckert Yea general is better. I agree with @Sterno that closing the previous question is not preferable, but such is life.
 
@badp Oh, well that makes a lot more sense, right?
 
2:59 PM
@SaintWacko sure! Especially because X is the general "cancel" button, which you can mind-map to left, and C is the general "confirm" button, which you can mind map to right.
 
@badp YOU JUST SAID X AND C NOW I WANT XCOM
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@StrixVaria Go play UFO:Afterlight.
I think that's the first one.
 
@fbueckert I'm not playing the old ones.
 
Did I miss Root Beer time in chat?
Because:
All other answers are invalid.
 
@StrixVaria This is an offshoot; made by a completely different developer, but it's more modern than the original X-COM.
And the battle system is much better than the stupid point-and-click of the DOS games.
 
3:06 PM
@fbueckert Eh. I have Prison Architect and Torchlight 2 that should hold me over for a bit.
I just want XCOM anyway.
 
@StrixVaria New rule! Every time you start frothing at the mouth about XCOM, I'm mentioning the UFO series of games!
As a sidenote, those are still pretty decent games.
They're much more forgiving than X-COM, though.
 
@fbueckert Blame @Sterno.
 
@StrixVaria No worries, he'll get the same treatment. :P
UFO: Aftermath, is a 2003 real-time strategy game with real-time tactical battles from ALTAR Interactive, being a homage to the X-COM series of games. It started as The Dreamland Chronicles: Freedom Ridge, an abortive project by the Mythos Games, original developers of the X-COM series. In 2002 the unfinished game has been bought by ALTAR and restarted. In concept, the game is similar to unreleased X-COM: Genesis. The player assumes the role of the Earth's last hope - the commander of the last, scattered humans left on the planet. It is up to him to guide your forces through the planet's...
Oh, hey. It was originally developed by the creators of X-COM.
I didn't know that.
 
@fbueckert > real-time strategy game with real-time tactical battles
No thanks.
 
@fbueckert ahahahahahahahahahah
 
3:20 PM
@StrixVaria The combat is actually quite fun.
Each action takes X amount of time units to do. You're free to pause and re-order whenever.
 
Real Time with Pause Combat System > *
COME TO ME BG:EE AND WASTELAND 2 AND PROJECT ETERNITY. COOOOOOOMMMMMEEEE TOOOOO MEEEEEE
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz It's actually quite a good system; combines the best of turn based and real time.
 
how can you VTC sean's question as a duplicate? Do you people not know what the meaning of the word 'duplicate' is?
His was first - it can never be a duplicate
 
@pixel Wait, did you miss the discussion earlier?
 
3:30 PM
@pixel We work with the tools provided.
 
@SaintWacko I saw the discussion, I'm being pedantic - this is what I do
 
@pixel Duplication is perfectly bidirectional. In general, chronology is the best way to identify the canonical question of a pair, but if a newer question is 'better' or has better answers, it's perfectly acceptable to close the old one.
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz Points for using the word bidirectional.
 
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
 
lol @ bidirectional
 
3:32 PM
@SaintWacko If lunch is a double-illusion, does that make it real?
 
dictionary disagrees
</pedantic>
hometime!
 
@fbueckert No, you can have an illusion inside an illusion
Crap, I've typed illusion too much. It looks wrong now
 
user15026
@SaintWacko semantic satiation! :D
 
@AshleyNunn There's a term for that?
Learn something new everyday!
 
user15026
@fbueckert Yep! :)
 
user15026
3:34 PM
Semantic satiation (also semantic saturation) is a psychological phenomenon in which repetition causes a word or phrase to temporarily lose meaning for the listener, who then processes the speech as repeated meaningless sounds. The phrase "semantic satiation" was coined by Leon Jakobovits James in his doctoral dissertation at McGill University, Montreal, Canada awarded in 1962. Prior to that, the expression "verbal satiation" had been used along with terms that express the idea of mental fatigue. The dissertation listed many of the names others had used for the phenomenon: "Many other na...
 
@AshleyNunn Huh, never heard that before
 
user15026
@SaintWacko These are the random things that my brain actually remembers from my classes.
 
@StrixVaria You want XCOM regardless anyway
 
@badp You just unintentionally reminded me.
 
@StrixVaria Can't you just travel to the future or something?
 
3:51 PM
@badp If only.
 
@StrixVaria I do it all the time. I can't even explain how, it's so natural.
 
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Q: Increase chance of rare loot drops

Michael GoldshteynI have the Vault Hunter's Relic which increases the chance of rare loot drops by 5%. Unfortunately, I am very displeased with the rarity settings of the game in general. I would like to know if there is any way to mod the game to make vending machines and enemies drop rare loot more often. For e...

 
@badp It's all in the ankle movement
 
@SaintWacko I dunno, maybe if I used that I'd be able to travel in the future at something faster than a second per second.
I dunno how however
 
The trick isn't learning how to go into the future.
It's coming BACK that's hard.
 
4:00 PM
@fbueckert Who wants to do that?
I look at my past and so far it's worse than the present!
 
@badp Me. Buy Microsoft stock before it becomes big.
 
Just a few hours ago I was failing to give a shit to prepare an exam, and now boom! the exam's a thing of the past now!
When Microsoft wasn't big I was too young to buy anything let alone stock.
 
@fbueckert remind me to lend you one of my Robert J. Sawyer books that says the opposite...
 
@TrentHawkins Sure. As soon as you read all the books I've lent you.
 
where's the fun in reading books if you don't know you could be doing eleventy billion other things?
 
4:04 PM
@fbueckert Well played, sir, well played. (I think there's only the one)
 
@badp Keeps the brain occupied.
And trust me, keeping my brain occupied is a GOOD thing.
@TrentHawkins I keep the queue at one, yes. You get a new one every time you finish your current one, though.
 
Trouble with books is that once I start one, I ignore the "eleventy billion other things"... including sleep, food, etc.
 
That's what books do to you. I mean the best books anyway.
or reading in general.
 
@badp I fail to see that being a bad thing.
 
@fbueckert It's a good alternative to getting stuff done.
I mean, Homestuck gripped me like few other books could, and that only very barely counts as a book! It gripped me so hard I recommend anyone to not read it. It's not for everybody, but if you're for it your brain health is at risk. (Just look at Mana.)
 
4:12 PM
@badp There's a reason I stay WELL away from 4chan and lolcats.
I like my brain cells, thank you.
 
@fbueckert That's got nothing to do with 4chan and lolcats.
 
@badp > your brain health is at risk
Same with 4chan and lolcats.
 
@fbueckert well, that's not "NSFL" material. Although some fan art...
(see also: MLP)
 
user15026
4:26 PM
On the subject of books, @fbueckert I am loving "On Basilisk Station"....SO GOOD
 
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Q: Final Boss destroys base *spoilers warning*

QuinmaI have made it to the flag ship 5-6 times and each time I have beaten phase 1. However after phase 1 my hull is less than 50%. Some times I went and attacked phase 2 anyways and other times I ran for a repair point. Either way I have lost by hull destruction or by the flag ship reaching my bas...

 
... This cat owes me upwards of 6k gold in equipment repair costs in D3.
 
Jin
borderlands2 is so satisfying
 
4:43 PM
@AshleyNunn Told ya. :P
 
@Jin Hell yes it is
 
user15026
@fbueckert I am about halfway, and it is a fantastic read. I think I am going to have to find the rest.
 
Earning badass ranks is surprisingly satisfying
 
Jin
@BenBrocka btw did you ever find a solution to your powerlevel question?
 
@AshleyNunn Most of Weber's writing is like that; he writes naval opera so well.
 
4:44 PM
@Jin Joining a high level team as a low level to leach XP? I've heard it;s possible but been too lazy to try it
 
user15026
@fbueckert I didn't expect to like it. I really didn't.
 
Jin
@BenBrocka if all you want to do is to get to lvl50 fast, then reddit.com/r/Borderlands/comments/10m1u6/…
 
@Jin Heard that one. Can't do it solo though
 
@AshleyNunn Really? I'm somewhat surprised.
 
user15026
@fbueckert It is kinda a reach from what I usually read.
 
Jin
4:46 PM
i just started the 2nd playthrough, within 15mins i tossed out half of my epic gear from PL1....
 
I'll see if maybe @OrigamiRobot or @IanPugsley would give me a hand
 
Jin
reminds me of playing a new WoW expansion..
 
user15026
So I was like...eh, I dunno...but you spoke so highly of it, then I was like I shall try it. And I am SO GLAD.
 
@Jin playthrough 2 has waaaaaaaaaaay better loot
 
Jin
@BenBrocka yar. even some whites are better than my PL1 purples.
 
4:47 PM
It still holds out on the good elemental stuff though
Can barely find a shock gun and when I do it usually sucks
 
@AshleyNunn My girlfriend at the time gave me the first three books in the series for my birthday.
 
I've sort of given up on shock though
 
I was "eeehhh...." and then I started reading.
 
Jin
@BenBrocka i really like how the mobs got harder, not just a dmg/hp boost, but also new skills and resist etc.
 
And new enemies!
I was surprised to see they have new classes
Though the elemental effect changes are a bitch
Fire eats up health like crazy, but shields just shrug it off
 
Jin
4:49 PM
i find myself having many "f*ck this i'll just rocket everything!" moments in pl2
 
I've got some good enough SMGs I'm mostly past that
anything with a shield or immune to fire is a pain though
 
Jin
i still just headshot most things with my sniper rifle. found a 3k+ dmg one at lvl35
 
Have you found a Hellfire? I kinda want to farm one from Scotch but I want it to be level 50
I don't know if there's a playthrough 3 where everything scales to your level or what yet
 
Jin
@BenBrocka there's PL2.5
 
user15026
@fbueckert Nice. I have acquired the first one from the library's ebook download service, and now am looking for more :D
 
4:51 PM
I just found a 333 damage sniper rifle at level 15
 
I figured there would be, that's why I'm rushing through the story
 
That was a nice upgrade
 
@AshleyNunn I own all the physical copies. :P But you'd have to come here to read them.
 
Assassin or Sniper? You can lay down more damage with fast guns as a Siren if you have good elemental stuff
 
Jin
@SaintWacko that's hella good for lvl15.
 
4:52 PM
1200 fire damage per second x 10 = good times
 
user15026
@fbueckert grins Tempting. I will just hole up in your house and read for days XD
 
@AshleyNunn Probably for weeks or months. :P I have four bookshelves.
 
@Jin Yeah, and the rest of its stats are surprisingly good too
 
have you guys found any gatling snipers?
 
user15026
@fbueckert Awesome. You don't mind, do you? (I can bake you cookies!)
 
4:53 PM
Crits for around 1800
 
I found one early on and never saw another one
 
Jin
I found something odd during my PL1. I got an e-tech sniper rifle that does 1700dmg, takes 2 ammo. but my 1500ish jackob does more head crits for some reason..
 
@AshleyNunn Sure! I've got a couch you can crash on.
 
Jin
I don't understand the math
 
@Jin more crit damage?
 
user15026
4:54 PM
@fbueckert Perfect. Now I just need to be able to afford the plane ticket. XD
 
Maybe the e-tech one doesn't get the sniper crit boost? never seen one
I just get crappy e-tech pistols, and a couple plasma casters
 
muuuuurrrrrduuuuur
 
I was disapointed the bandit plasma caster isn't spelled Plazma cAsster or something
 
@AshleyNunn 'fraid I can't help you with that one. But if you can make it out here, I can let you crash for awhile.
 
Jin
@BenBrocka heashot crit. i did 26k headshot crit with the 1500dmg rifle, but only 14k with the e-tech 1700dmg one.. i don't understand
 
user15026
4:55 PM
@fbueckert I could walk. Would take me a while though
 
@Jin I mean did one have that as a stat?
Jakobs might have that as a hidden bonus
I think they did in BL1
 
@AshleyNunn Seeing as how it's a ~20 hour drive, I'd say so.
 
Jin
@BenBrocka neither have any additional stats
 
But I dunno, I never touch Jakob's
Cacophony of idiocy and all that
 
user15026
@fbueckert Not to mention I would need places to sleep along the way
 
4:59 PM
@AshleyNunn That's true.
Logistics! Stupid nitpicky details!
 

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