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3:01 PM
And here's hoping tomorrow's TF2 update doesn't take forever for GnomeSlice to download.
I'm not sure how I feel about them introducing more sci-fi weapons to the game. :/
 
@Powerlord What did they add?
 
@FallenAngelEyes We don't know yet. It's hinted at in the comic they posted yesterday.
 
Gotcha
 
@Powerlord link?
 
@Wipqozn glances at his office phone and desk
 
3:08 PM
@Powerlord oh, right.
 
Yes, because forcing me to Google exactly the right terms is so much easier than visiting tf2.com and clicking the last link in the first blog post.
 
Actually, I thought may have had it open in another tab
forgot you were at work
 
The True Meaning of Australian Christmas comic, if you really are lazy
 
woooo
 
user image
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3:17 PM
I really didn't think I'd manage to finish a run on my first try
 
Good job.
 
oh, look, a friend score
I guess FAE didn't obsessive compulsively submit her own scores as I did
 
a wild off topic question appears:
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Q: What does fieldrunner game use for the rotation of tower?

Syed I am making a TD game, taking http://fieldrunners.com/ as a reference, i would like to know about the towers used in this game. Is this some kind of 2D image sequence tower rotation ? changes when enemy movement changes within its range ? Or actually 3D gameobject, rotated on enemy position

 
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Q: I want a divorce! What's the most painless way of obtaining one?

BoraSeriously, it was fun and all, but I can't and I don't want to stay married to the same woman for the rest of my life - one real life marriage is enough.. Is there a lawyer or process of some kind in the world of Skyrim, and if not, who could help me divorce her? If all else should fail, (sigh)...

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Q: The Ragged Flagon

WafieldnIm on a quest, a thieves guild quest.A lady , Karliah asked me to meet her at the ragged flagon. It seems that she doesn't show up at the rendevous. Please help me =(

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Q: What does fieldrunner game use for the rotation of tower?

Syed I am making a TD game, taking http://fieldrunners.com/ as a reference, i would like to know about the towers used in this game. Is this some kind of 2D image sequence tower rotation ? changes when enemy movement changes within its range ? Or actually 3D gameobject, rotated on enemy position

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Q: Can't find tera in castlevania: rondo of blood

JoshI can't find the passage to alternate stage 3. I'm playing the psp version of the game. I've already looked at online FAQ and they haven't helped.

 
@agent86 IT might be appropriate for Game dev
I'll ask them
 
3:30 PM
@Wipqozn yeah. i thought something similar.
 
@agent86 I dropped a message in their chat, asking if they want it
 
wewt
TEAMWORK
 
> The tag was extra fun, and removing it without even discussing it here on meta is yet another very "unfortunate" move of an already poor administration. IIRC many people favorited that tag, and that should have been reason enough to keep it, let alone delete it out of the blue! – Lohoris 53 secs ago
 
GO TEAM
@GraceNote woo, internet drama. goes to pop the internet drama popcorn
 
^ So, who wants to go tell Jeff that "If you want to determine tag viability by who subscribes to it, why did you kill !?"
 
3:34 PM
I saw this comment on a discussion about the latest Humble Indie Bundle (and people complaining that not all of them have .deb packages)
> lol at linux users complaining that some of the few games they can get don't come in packages.
 
@Powerlord Is this a statement you agree or disagree with?
 
@agent86 Yes
;)
 
@Powerlord so do I :)
 
Well, it's not just this comment that's interesting. I see people on /. making complaints like this:
> Tired of buying 6 to 8 games, only to find out that only 1 or 2 of them work as advertised without hours of work configging and updating libraries.
And you wonder why more games aren't made for Linux?
 
So, anyone with mods powers feel like migrating this question?
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Q: How can I create images which change when enemies are in range?

Syed I am making a TD game, taking FieldRunners as a reference. I would like to know about the towers used in this game. The tower image changes when enemies are in range. I'm not sure if the rotated tower graphics some kind of 2D image sequence, or a 3D model. How can I make a similar effect, wher...

 
3:39 PM
meh, some companies already had done all the legwork. All the introversion games come with deb's
 
I can think of 3 different distros widely used as a desktop OS. (Fedora, SUSE, Ubuntu) all of which are going to have different versions of libraries and different packaging systems.
 
I was already talking to them in chat, and I've made it on-topic as per this meta discussion:
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Q: Is "How was entire game X made?" off-topic?

Joe WreschnigIn the past, we1 decided that "How can I make an entire game like X?" was a bad question. There seems to be a new-ish variant of this, "What technology did entire game X use?" What technology does the iPhone game “Zombie Highway” use? What game engine does Mega Jump use? What language was used ...

 
Others are just new at this
 
And .deb packages work on exactly one of those 3.
 
fail
 
3:44 PM
This chat is pretty active compared to other SE sites
 
@Powerlord I think if you're playing a game on linux, you're jamming a square peg into a round hole, and it's going to be difficult and painful.
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@StevenJeuris I think we have one of the most active chats on the network.
 
Linux, in my opinion (and I use it daily) is a crappy desktop OS.
 
@agent86 I had to star that.
 
@Powerlord indeed :)
 
3:46 PM
@Wipqozn Yup, seemed like a nice place to me yesterday. ;p Would love the same activity at Programmers SE.
 
@agent86 You like that analogy
 
@agent86 It's not that bad, but it really does depend on the amount of experience the makers have about publishing software on Linux.
Coming from Windows it may be reasonable to expect "just zip it all in a file and call it a day" to be enough, and you wouldn't ever bother with setting up a package repository and whatnot (something I doubt even Introversion has done).
 
@GraceNote square peg round hole? Perhaps. I think it's more that I think there are tools appropriate for every job, and trying to use the wrong one leads to bad things happening. it's just an easy way to express that opinion. :)
@badp eh, it's a combination of things. money going into linux is focused on enterprise, so enterprise hardware gets good support. Desktop hardware drivers for a lot of things is an afterthought or a hobby project by comparison.
desktop linux to me is more of a "thing I'd do if I had a lot of time and wanted to learn" as opposed to "thing I want to use when I want to be productive or relax with a minimum of effort"
 
@agent86 you really haven't tried Ubuntu, have you? :P
Sure, you will have trouble with some hardware makes
 
zomg Aion EU is going F2P
yay, I can play again
 
3:50 PM
@badp right this second I am typing this message this one right here on Ubuntu, like I do every single day :)
 
@agent86 oh, okay. nvm
That sounded like somebody I would've said when my perception of Linux was tainted by KDE
 
@badp Of course they wouldn't, as there doesn't appear to be any way in the apt system to prevent just anyone from adding it as a repo if they know the address.
 
The KDE 3 config system gave you enough rope to cover your body entirely thrice in knots, and then strangle you.
 
@badp I will say Ubuntu takes a lot of steps in the right direction as a desktop OS, but I still wouldn't want to try and install/maintain 3D graphics drivers on it
 
Introversion is in the business of selling software, even if it is cheap with these bundles.
 
3:52 PM
I dunno about KDE 4, but...
 
@agent86 Ugh, flashbacks to my last Ubuntu install.
 
@agent86 eh... I dunno, I've lived happily with the Nouveau drivers up until the point I decided I "had" to run Steam on Wine on Linux.
 
Once upon a time I had a mythTV box, and god, what a nightmare the drivers were on that. I finally bought a Tivo just so I didn't have to hack at it every week to get the TV running right. TV in my house is one of those things that you just should not experiment on
 
Then again, I do have Windows installed for games, so.
 
@badp Surprisingly, I think with Steam native on OSX it's been more of a viable gaming platform for me. Steam + Humble Bundle = Win, apparently.
 
3:54 PM
@agent86 It's funny you say that when OS X is still a round hole :)
 
all of the recent "you get the mac version for free" stuff on Steam has lead to me accumulating a rather good set of games on it.
@badp indeed! I am just as surprised as you are :)
 
It just means there's nothing inherently in Linux that makes that hole round
 
I had pretty much relegated my macbook to the dustbin, tried to sell it, etc, until steamplay came along
 
@agent86 I assume you mean when you pay for the Windows version?
Oh right, you mentioned SteamPlay, so yes.
 
Ah, well, see, OSX is a desktop OS that apple puts money into. That's the difference between that and Linux.
@Powerlord yes, you're correct, sorry for ambiguity :)
 
3:56 PM
Rather, OS X is a desktop OS they have the drivers for
 
that and native steam availability go a long way, apparently.
 
I wonder how much fuss do the nVidia drivers make on the Mac
because the nVidia drivers for Linux really don't play well with the remainder of the system
 
I don't think I could play Civ5 on it, or even Civ4 without the settings turned way down (I've got a Macbook with Intel graphics, sigh) but it handles most of the indie games just fine.
 
I've heard bad things about Steam on OSX, particularly if you change the filesystem options to allow different case filenames (er... whatever it's called when blah and Blah are considered separate files)
 
The foss nouveau drivers are a bit slower, but they integrate with the system so much better they still come out as clear winners.
 
3:57 PM
@badp I don't know what they do on Mac, I imagine that Apple gets pretty good support from nVidia though, seeing as they're doing big business together.
 
@Powerlord uh... there's a setting for that?
 
@badp Apparently there is, but if you turn it on for a volume, Steam won't work on it.
 
blech
 
@badp the unix convention for filenames is a property of the filesystem; mac os uses HFS+ which is proprietary.
 
So, when are we going Skeet shooting?
 
3:58 PM
Steam requires a case insenstive filesystem?
 
it wouldn't surprise me if they disabled that by default.
 
@agent86 meh. So much for being "certified UNIX"
 
> Steam doesn't like case sensitive HFS+
@badp Unless they reapplied with each update, only 10.5 is certified UNIX.
(Open Systems group requires every version to be re-certified)
(Incidentally, this is why Linux isn't, and will never be, UNIX certified)
 
@Powerlord meh, companies could easily certify the versions they distribute, if they cared.
I'm glad they don't care.
What does it matter if you're not "certified UNIX"? It's just promotional bullshit.
Does anybody write software targeting "certified UNIX"?
 
I just think at one point they realized they needed to ditch the Mac OS kernel, and just went "meh, we'll go with BSD instead" - it doesn't really seem like they've committed to any kind of other UNIX or open source/free software philosophy
 
4:02 PM
@badp No, that's why POSIX exists. :P
 
in fact, it generally surprises me how similar OSX is to System 6/7
 
I think we should have a permanent system banner reading, "YO BUDDY. THIS IS NOT A FORUM."
Actually is notaforum.com available? :P
 
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Q: Automated redstone-based mechanism in Minecraft

Alan BIs it possible to construct something that will run automatically whenever a player is nearby, say within a chunk's range, without that player having to trigger something like a pressure pad or detector rail ? What I'm trying to do is get some pistons to move in this situation, so for example if...

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Q: Can I pick up gold bags during cutscenes?

ZsubSometimes my character walks to a door or something and I spot these bags of gold. I try tapping them, but I'm always too slow, except for one time, but that was so close to the end of the movement or cutscene that I'm just not sure if I can pick them up.

 
@badp I second this motion.
 
@badp I don't think it would change anything :P Idiots are idiots regardless of how hard you try to educate them otherwise.
once upon a time I wrote an article telling people how to get effective open source software support, and people just went "you're being a douchebag and I can do whatever I want and you HAVE to support me because I'm the customer and you're doing this for free and if you don't like it..." etc, etc.
 
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4:26 PM
@Wipqozn for the most part, I think it went pretty well
 
user30
somewhat unnerved at only having 3 interviews, but we'll see
 
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Q: How to pass the Barge Death challenge?

badpThe second challenge of the third challenge pack is pretty serious. You must survive for 15 seconds, you're invulnerable for the first five and the next ten of those 15 seconds are entirely full of bullets. How do you survive that?

 
@Lazers Aw, I was gonna load up my game to answer that
 
@FallenAngelEyes I do have other challenges I haven't figured out, but this is one that really made me want to ask and answer about it
Did I mention I really like that ship?
Turning around the beam with the mouse is really finicky, but otherwise it's just... fun, and it doesn't ask me to choose between speed and firepower.
(because otherwise I'll always go for firepower and die horrible deaths)
I am curious thought to discover if there are other ways to do this one.
 
4:43 PM
@Lazers That's "full of bullets"?
 
@GraceNote Hey, I'm trying to strike a compromise between you and @agent86
:P
 
It's just, I see Easy level spellcards which have thrice as many bullets in far larger of an area. That's 90% streaming there.
But I digress.
 
All of the humble bundle games are on steam? Cool.
 
@badp Are hitboxes in Jamestown small or sprite-sized?
 
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Q: Monthly fee details?

ZenoDoes Everquest still have a monthly fee? What are the exact details on it? (I tried to Google this, but kept getting back EQ2 news about it going free and nothing about EQ1)

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Q: How to disable warning screen when I start a game?

IAdapterWhenever I start a game on PS3 I get a warning screen (something about not turning it off then it saving or something). Is there any way to turn it off without losing access to multi-player? maybe some software/hardware hacks? It annoys me, because first I have to click ok on it, then I have to ...

 
4:57 PM
What to play first... suggestions?
 
@RonanForman Cave Story
If not that, then Cave Story.
 
@RonanForman seconding cave story.
afterwards, play cave story again.
 
@agent86 and I'm thirding it
 
I've played the original, so I'm putting that on hold for now.
 
@RonanForman sigh
 
5:01 PM
I've decided bit.trip
 
@RonanForman Which?
 
@FallenAngelEyes The one in the humble bundle, runner
 
@RonanForman Enjoy your frustration!
 
@GraceNote Small.
 
@badp So it could be possible to dodge between those pairs of pink bullets, eh?
 
5:05 PM
@GraceNote Well, yeah, this challenge was a one trick pony. That's what made it interesting to me.
 
@GraceNote yes, certainly. the tutorial even explicitly mentions the hitbox is the center of the ship, anywhere else is safe.
 
btw I like the idea of vaunting. I don't even know if Vaunt is a word however.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I've already given up.
 
@RonanForman That was... quick
 
It's annoying, and I have 5 other games I could be playing.
 
5:07 PM
@Grace I was wondering, if I may ask, how many champs do you own?
 
@alexanderpas I thought the hitbox was a 2 meter by 2 meter exhaust vent
 
@GraceNote feel free to try it!
 
@FallenAngelEyes Rammus, Lux, Irelia, Sona, Skarner, Kayle (that was free), Kog'Maw.
@badp It's one of the things I would do, though I imagine that Jamestown doesn't reward grazing
 
@GraceNote Ok, I feel less weird for only owning a few then. Couple people I know own over half @_@
Ahri looks neat!
 
@FallenAngelEyes Those people either spend a lot of money, or have also been around forever to begin with.
 
5:10 PM
also the change to TF is a nice QoL change
 
Do you have TF?
 
@GraceNote One's the former, one's the latter, haha
I do not, personally, but my friend with whom I often play has him and has sworn many a time when his cards messed up
 
A lot of the others who are here (Borror0, Raven, Rapida, Nick T) have all been around for a while.
@FallenAngelEyes I see I see
 
Argh, whenever I switch my sound around (from 5.1 to stereo or vice versa) the sound notification for chat stops working
 
@FallenAngelEyes My brain expanded that to "also the change to Team Fortress is a nice Quality of Life change"
 
5:18 PM
@Powerlord Twisted Fate in this case, haha
 
lol, just tried the final level on easiest difficulty and FRAPS-generated slowdown
died 95% through
 
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Q: Old game I used to play

Deewhen I was in preschool (around the 1999s and early 2000s) there was a game they would let is play on the pc. It was my favorite game and I remember ordering it at home. Anyways, the graphics were really old, like pixel stuff and kinda like an arcade game. I believe the boy wore a yellow helmet (...

 
even with the extra life that appeared out of nowhere
although I died too many times to the level, rather than to bullets.
 
Hmm, I wonder if I can create these weapons and reuse their handles.
 
I think I need to mod Cave Story + so Balrog's dialogue is correct and the names are right.
 
5:24 PM
@RonanForman ?
 
I've never played Cave Story
 
@FallenAngelEyes go play it now
 
Balrog should say 'Huzzah' not 'Oh yeah' and the first gun isn't called the pea shooter.
 
if you didn't buy the current indie bundle, you can get the original cave story free, and it is worth every non-penny you pay.
 
@agent86 I haven't, as I own every single game in that one including the bonus stuff, except Cave Story
...wut @ flag
 
5:26 PM
It's called the polar star, that's it.
 
@agent86 is it any different from the Cave Story+ I'm playing?
I thought this was just the original with updated graphics and whatnot.
 
@badp It is, but they also translated it incorrectly.
 
@RonanForman Translated from what?
 
If it's Japanese, I'll keep my Engrish TYVM
 
5:28 PM
@badp No, cave story is in english, but they translated it correcty.
 
@badp I haven't played cave story+ yet, but I think they made it more HD-ish and changed the translation a bit. The original Cave Story had a fan translation.
Need a chrono trigger themed wallpaper? WHY NOT ZOIDBERG?
 
So the game I'm playing through now has the better translation?
 
@badp depends on who you ask :)
 
I'm gonna assume that the Stack Overflow survey actually means "Xbox 360" and not the original Xbox
 
Fine. The current version's okay with me and if the original is Japanese then it doesn't really make a difference
 
5:30 PM
@TheStackExchangeBlog I'm always worried when the site starts talking.
 
@badp original was japanese, fan translation patch available.
lizard gamers are the future.
 
@agent86 seen that earlier this morning, pretty much awesome.
 
> Please rate the advertising you've seen on Stack Overflow
but what if we don't frequent SO? There's no N/A option, argh
 
@Wipqozn I think this must be a universal truth. The agent86 link-to-the-past paradox: anything posted to a public location must receive at least one "seen it already" response.
 
@agent86 Where?
 
5:35 PM
@agent86 I like it when the lizard looks back, saying... "What the fuck is this crap? It tastes like glass. Do you seriously... OH LOOKIE ANOTHER BUG!"
 
@badp it's got to be seriously confusing to that lizard, but he seems to enjoy it anyhow
 
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Q: How to know if someone is "good" or "bad"

IAdapterFrom far away I can see a person. I don't know if he(or they) will attack me on sight or not. so what I do is save and go to them and if they attack me I reload and kill them using bow. is there any way to know if person or people will attack you? if I fire arrows before I'm sure I might lose a c...

 
Why does quote have such human looking skin?
 
@Lazers I had to post that comment, sorry.
 
What the hell's happened to the escapist‽
 
5:54 PM
@RonanForman They appear to have changed their site layout.
 
@Wipqozn It's scary!
 
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Q: What is the default keyboard shortcut to save a replay in Super Meat Boy?

Jeremy BanksI've been playing Super Meat Boy on OS X. I'd like to save a copy of some of my replays, but I can't find the keyboard shortcut. It's displayed it at such a low resolution that it's impossible to read: I've tried mashing keys at random, but haven't had any luck. What's the keyboard shortcut?

 
6:09 PM
I'd ping you on Steam but it seems to be having maintenance
 
6:28 PM
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Q: Can I control my fleet mid-battle?

NickI picked up Gratuitous Space Battles from the newest indie bundle pack and I've made it through the first few missions but I feel a bit out of control while the battle is going on. I can't find a way to influence the battle once it is under way and my ships don't always make the greatest decision...

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Q: Using Mules to ramp up Terran Economy

lucidquietAfter watching some of my replays, I realized that when playing against other Terrans their economies jump significantly larger than mine even though I don't keep unspent resources long (average unspent about 200-300), and I think it's due to the use of Mules. Is this true? Do Mules significant...

 
6:44 PM
@GraceNote any clue when Bio.SE is launching today?
 
@NickT Sometime in the afternoon
 
but I want it now :(
 
If you committed, you'll get an email. ♪
 
god, my microscope camera blows
guess it's slightly better at full resolution
 
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Q: What to take on missions?

IAdapterI have a lot of junk that I want to sell and make some money. I can take it with me to new places, but then I cannot carry too much of new stuff. Should I only take what I need and not worry about selling and hopeful later I can return to that place and sell? the biggest problem for me is that it...

 
7:01 PM
> "Firefox has gotten so large that it cannot be compiled with PGO on a 32-bit linker anymore, due to the virtual memory limitation of 3 GB. This problem had happened last year with 2 GB, which was worked around by adding a/3GB switch to the Windows build servers. Now the problem is back, and things aren't quite that simple anymore."
I want to yell at them "you're doing it wrong!!!"
 
@NickT protein?
 
@Powerlord jesus f(irefox) christ.
 
@Fabian yup :)
 
isn't this what happened to mozilla, that made firefox an appealing alternative?
 
@NickT Already at the synchrotron? Or just grown the crystals just now
 
7:05 PM
taking a bunch of pictures from an optimization I set up, easier on our dissecting scope, but the compound scope has a way better camera
headed to APS on Saturday
@Fabian you do crystallography?
 
@NickT No
NMR
 
anything related?
ah
How do you prepare samples for NMR? it stays in solution, just need extremely pure?
 
x-ray crystallography is fairly easy to understand for me...NMR seems a nightmare
 
@NickT Just a lot of stuff in phosphate buffer in 200-500ul, doesn't need to be extremely pure, but it helps of course
 
7:10 PM
0
Q: Odd tag roundup, 12/14/11 edtion

agent86Another week, another set of weird tags: fast-expand - Is this maybe a subtag of SC2? It seems like it could be a concept across multiple RTS games though. I'm on the fence. black-ops-zombies - CoD: Black Ops has a zombie mode, but it's part of the same game. I don't think this belongs. All...

 
a lot ~= 1-10 mg/mL?
 
A few hundred micromolar usually, 1 millimolar is a very good sample
You can measure with a lot less, but only the basic experiments
 
what limits NMR? something like the size of a protein vs. the resolution of your instrument?
 
The bigger the molecule, the broader the signals.
 
7:14 PM
How long before somebody makes a flash game out of that?
 
Big stuff is pretty much impossible for NMR, at least for structure and assignment.
 
The only NMR I've done was in organic lab long long ago, and there it seemed pretty straightforward as everything was covalently bonded, but you're detecting h-bonding too?
 
@NickT You can do that for base-paired nucleic acids, but it's pretty difficult to measure that directly in most cases.
Bio-NMR is pretty different from the small organic molecule stuff
 
so what (in very general terms) lets you determine the conformation of macromolecules?
 
Essentially, you measure a lot of small distances between atoms (via NOESYs) and use that to calculate the structure
 
There are a few other things you can measure that help with the structure like RDCs
 
24 hours of the engines of the Enterprise idling in space, totally unrealistically.
 
I assumed it was the sound as heard from within the ship
If you're going to be irritated by sound traveling in a vacuum, I think tie fighters should be the focus of your ire.
 
In space, no one can hear you scream.
 
out of curiosity, does any of you have a high five taunt for trading?
I've been looking at TF2WH but they're coming in slow and going out fast.
...obviously, given that drops reset in like five hours.
 
7:25 PM
You can... trade taunts...?
 
yeah, a few taunts are collectible and must be equipped
 
@GraceNote I was just thinking that
 
You can... equip taunts...?
 
@GraceNote to really make the most lewd of gestures, you must be willing to invest cash.
 
Where do you equip a taunt? Do you just put it in your mouth and the next time you open it, the taunt comes out?
 
7:26 PM
@GraceNote TF2 has an Action slot, bound to the H key by default.
or is it the G key
I forget.
 
It holds dueling minigames, noise makers or additional taunts
it's H, G is normal taunting
 
remember, this is the game where they charge you for decorative headwear
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@badp I was just about to say that.
 
@agent86 hey, Portal 2 wants to charge you for each taunt twice, and there are no item drops there
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@agent86 That's par for the course. Hats are a necessity to life.
 
7:28 PM
Today's steam wishlist sale deal thing is Tales of Monkey Island, and another entry in the contest for visiting the page and logging in.
 
I've actually been getting rid of all my less valuable hats (you can combine two hats to get a different random hat)
Then again, I also keep some hats that I like the look of.
 
@Powerlord Isn't that kind of foolish? A random hat can hardly be worth as much as two random hats
 
The Larrikan Robin for my Huntsman Sniper, for instance.
 
Sure, you can get lucky, but...
 
@badp a hat in the hand is worth two in the bush?
 
7:29 PM
@badp I think you underestimate exactly how many hats I have
 
or two hats in hand is worth more than one in the bush I guess? I've never adapted bush/hand analogies to hats before. This is tricky.
 
@Powerlord You can still get a refined out of each, and if you're really short on time, there's TF2WH. shrug
@Powerlord There's a strange YER for just about less than a key right now.
 
@badp Yes, but... what good does refined do other than to get other hats? :P
 
@Powerlord Trade with it?
 
I'd rather craft two 1-refined value hats together to get a random hat than 3 refined.
 
7:31 PM
@Powerlord You're still getting other hats out of hats anyway.
 
I could do that, but the good hats tend to cost quite a lot.
 
TF2 should have a program like Magic: the Gathering Online, where if you collect all the hats, you can turn them in and they'll mail you a set of real hats.
 
@sjohnston I don't think I want a real Ritzy Rick's Hair Fixative
 
I mean, just in the past few weeks I've crafted a Hottie's Hoodie, Hermes, and Little Buddy. The first is somewhat wanted, and the other two are new.
 
7:33 PM
(Yes, some hats remove stock hats instead of replacing them.)
 
Oh, and a Swagman's Swatter (also new)
 
@badp I'd like a real Hatless.
 
Anyway, I've got to go. Mom's retirement party is in 30 minutes.
 
@ArdaXi Have you actually seen the games in the other bundles
 
@badp I've seen one of them.
 
7:36 PM
Yeah, that's the point. The HIB bundles are... uh... AAA class indies.
The other bundles... not so much
 
Yes. Otherwise, what's the point?
 
While some have been nice surprises, others weren't so much.
 
You won't get a lot of quality indie artists signing their game off to a blatant rip-off of such a successful product.
 
@ArdaXi The point is that there can't really be such a thing as a bundle fatigue. People are already prioritizing bundles over other bundles based on time constraints
 
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Q: Are there any horses that can carry items?

IAdapterIn Oblivion I was able to give items to my horse. In Skyrim my horse is useless, all it does is attack monsters and get itself killed. I have the basic horse (1000 gold) bought at Whiterun. Are there any better horses? Where can I find them? No spoilers, please.

 
7:37 PM
Some games are free, others are nearly as free, but it turns out there's just 24 hours in a day :(
I'd need 50 to get stuff done. And then I wouldn't.
 
I'm just wondering... if your entire product offers nothing more than being a copy of someone else's idea... how do you not realise you're doing something terribly wrong?
On the importance of making time to play the games you like with the people you love: http://goo.gl/YhcHV
Well that's great timing.
 
@ArdaXi Well, let's see you come up with something completely bold and original! :)
It certainly isn't easy by any stretch of meaning of the word "easy".
 
I've done it before. Someone copied my idea exactly, published it better than I could at the time and got all the credit.
 
and we could easily say that the HIB is really a ripoff of that other pay what you want album by... was it Radiohead?
 
@badp Not as blatant.
 
7:42 PM
Pay what you want for a bunch of songs... Pay what you want for a bunch of games... what's the difference?
 
@badp Specificity.
Pay what you want for a bunch of X is one thing.
 
people are always going to copy ideas. The people we credit with some of the most amazing innovations of history are generally just taking the credit for work other people did who didn't get as lucky with fame.
 
But they lifted everything they could get away with without getting copyright claims, replaced the title and the games, and published it.
@agent86 Exactly, and with the emergence of the internet, we should no longer allow this to happen.
 
@ArdaXi Replacing the games, now, that isn't terribly easy.
 
@badp Depends on the games.
 
7:44 PM
"Progress happens when all the factors that make for it are ready, and then it is inevitable. To teach that comparatively few men are responsible for the greatest forward steps of mankind is the worst sort of nonsense." ~Henry Ford
 
Replacing it with games like the HIB games is hard. That's why these bundles aren't doing it.
 
You still need to get people who own the game that they need to publish the game in your and not that other bundle, or perhaps their own.
 
For a very enlightening overview of this subject, watch Everything's a Remix
@ArdaXi the internet makes this more and not less possible.
 
@agent86 Free access to information, comments everywhere...
 
good luck msking the jump from a comment on the internet to anything more than that
 
7:51 PM
@ArdaXi if an idea is digital or it's possible to make it digital, people will steal the heck out of it. there's no way to prevent it. see also: every anti-piracy effort ever.
 
@agent86 Two very different things.
Stealing content is one thing. Commercializing your theft is a whole other.
 
gonna. happen.
get used to today's work being worthless tomorrow on the internet
and, in my opinion, that's the way it should all work - patents and copyright should be significantly more limited than they are today (in the US anyway, it's obscene, although international laws seem to be following our lead)
everything I release on the internet I fully expect to be copied; I do my best to avoid it or make it fair, but I know for a fact that if someone decided to come along and sell something I made in blatant violation of whatever license I used, my recourse is to suck it up and deal
 
@agent86 No. No. Not at all.
That attitude is killing all kinds of expression.
Sure, what I release will get copied, but if someone decides to sell it, I get the proceeds. Not them.
Your recourse is DMCA and other legal manoeuvres, and rightly so.
 
@ArdaXi the exact opposite, in fact. Knowing this ahead of time means that every day I have to think about what's new an innovative, and not rest on my laurels. I don't waste effort on ineffective protections, and I don't devote my resources to fighting a battle I can't win, regardless of how "unjust" it seems to lose.
 
@agent86 So you'll just give up and not do it?
That's not the exact opposite at all.
 
7:58 PM
no, instead of doing those ineffective things, I have more time for doing innovative things
 
@agent86 Remember, people live on the proceeds of these innovative things.
Your attitude takes away their food.
 

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