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1:52 AM
@M.A.R. yeah, I was really dumb to be doing that conversion so many times over and over again :(
@ApoorvPotnis i'm not human, i'm a ninja ;)
 
 
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7:10 AM
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Q: Relation between chemical kinetics and chemical equilibrium

Shoubhik Raj MaitiIn my chemistry book, the law of chemical equilibrium is derived from the law of mass action: For a reversible chemical reaction $$\ce{aA +bB\rightleftharpoons cC + dD}$$ where $a$, $b$, $c$ and $d$ are stoichiometric coefficients in the balanced equation, we have, from the law of mass action...

 
7:31 AM
Both of them have $5\alpha$ hydrogens, then which one is more stable?
 
@AvatarShiny Answer given is $a$
 
Any idea why?
 
Just remembered
Our Fiitjee teacher said that
It's better if all the alpha are on the same carbon because the canonical structures are similar
Thus a better hybrid
@Abcd
 
7:36 AM
What's the logic behind that? Why is it better hybrid?
@AvatarShiny Should I ask this on main?
 
Canonical structures are same
@Abcd Huh Y u no take my word for this
 
@AvatarShiny I a not able to understand the reason you're giving...
 
Just say that you thought because of steric whatnot
 
I am unable to understand you at the moment. Sorry.
 
@Abcd ask it I'll draw the structures out for you
 
8:07 AM
@Mart this is how you write descriptive titles. Watch and learn.
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Q: A question everyone to answer

Abraham mwangiA sample of oxygen gas is collected by downward displacement of water from an inverted bottle. The water level inside the bottle is equal with that in the trough. The pressure is found to be 757 mmHg and temperature is 290 Kelvin. What is the partial pressure of oxygen.

 
@M.A.R. 👍
 
@GaurangTandon you weren't dumb, just passionate
You survive in these lands, you need to be cold blooded
 
@GaurangTandon This error is because of the line break after mol^
 
8:28 AM
@AvatarShiny you had a teacher from Fiji? Cool
@GaurangTandon his reply to everything is a wink
Or that grouchy eyes
 
@M.A.R. lol you know about that?
 
@Rick uh, yeah? He just said it
 
I meant you know about fiitjee?
 
@M.A.R. No not lucky enough en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIITJEE
 
@Gau your next tag adventure is probably
@Rick I recognize the IITJEE part. But the F part is probably "fucking"
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8:33 AM
@M.A.R. That's more accurate!
 
@M.A.R. Datz rite , ever wonder why it's so tough to make it into iit. Kids legit drop out of school and study 10-11 hours a day.
 
@M.A.R. Lol, FIITJEE is a famous coaching institute in India to train students for IIT-JEE.
 
@AvatarShiny ha, same thing happens with our exam
 
Is $sp^2$ hybridised carbon in a 3 membered ring highly unstable?
 
@M.A.R. I'm talking about 50K kids or more
 
8:39 AM
Schools are generally lame. You just don't realize it during the starting years. Gradually, they become a hindrance to learning, not an assist. At least here
 
@Abcd should be 120°
@M.A.R. I am one of those 50K kids
 
@M.A.R. not sure, it's in the queue, I think it's broad, but not too broad, but there might be other opinions
@Abcd carbon in three-membered rings cannot be described with sp³ hybridised orbitals
 
@Martin-マーチン Is A correct here? (Which is more stable?)
1 hour ago, by Abcd
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I find these questions very, very disturbing
 
I find your disturbance very, very disturbing
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8:43 AM
@Martin-マーチン why
 
stability is nothing you can measure, reactivity you could...
@M.A.R. I am disturbed by your interruption
 
@Martin-マーチン dude, this isn't about being right, or science. This is just about giving the answer the examiner wants
What is wrong with you?
 
@M.A.R. ( ¬_ლ)
 
@Martin-マーチン Thin-skinned
 
@M.A.R. what's wrong with you?
 
8:45 AM
@Martin-マーチン poking the eye is considered a highly risky act
@Martin-マーチン I feel itchy
 
@M.A.R. that is true tho
@M.A.R. don't scratch!
 
I wasn't gonna, but since you said so
 
Does it have to do with "identical canonical hyper-conjugating structures"
 
I was saying that only
But Abcd was like this makes no sense
In a polite way
@Rick
@Rick the answer is a
 
@Rick what does that even mean? Counting resonance structures is futile, you don't know their contribution to the electronic structure, and without that you're not even guessing, you're employing some scheme that's based on no fact or reasoning...
 
8:50 AM
Though
@Martin-マーチン What about +I effect on the carbanion?
 
Oh...they're not cis-trans isomers
 
@AvatarShiny what about it?
that'll probably help finding the answer:
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Q: Is the transformation of pi bonds to sigma bonds always energetically favorable?

DissenterIs the move from pi bonds to sigma bonds always favorable? My professor claims so, except in the case of conjugated pi bonds. I can see how pi bonds going to sigma bonds might be favorable; I know that double bonds are actually not twice as strong as single bonds because of poorer overlap ... b...

 
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A: Which alkene is more stable when both have the same number of alpha hydrogens?

Avatar Shiny In case (b) the carbanion is always destabilized by a $\ce{+I}$ effect by an alkyl group directly attached to the negative charge bearing carbon. This is not the case with (a) as no alkyl groups are directly attached to it.

Undeleted for now
 
Oh look what I found... a duplicate:
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Q: Stability of di-substituted alkenes

Karan SinghWell I know for a fact that cis alkenes are less stable than trans alkenes due to steric repulsions. But what bugs me is the fact that why systems such as 2-Methylprop-1-ene (where I believe steric repulsions are greater than that in cis-But-2-ene) are stabler than its cis and trans counterparts...

 
@Martin-マーチン in those books they "compare" stability?
 
9:03 AM
yeah :'(
what they mean: "lower energy on the potential energy surface"
 
@Martin-マーチン Yup, I commented that.
 
Looks like my answer is correct
** claps alone in a corner **
 
9:19 AM
@AvatarShiny I don't think you have drawn the correct hyperconjugating structures for a
 
@Abcd I missed a double bond
 
@AvatarShiny I still don't get it...
If I remove alpha hydrogens of methyl for each one
Then both have +I effect due to ethyl...
 
I've written this in my answer and I'll write it again. the alkyl group is not on the same carbon as with the negative charge in case a.
+I will be less
Than +I in case b where , one alkyl group is directly attached
 
9:43 AM
Which alpha hydrogen is released first, the one of ethyl or the one of methyl?
 
@Abcd Any of those
How does it matter
 
@AvatarShiny well there must be a preference
@AvatarShiny it doesn't, just curious.
 
You better upvote my answer
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I want to know which Hydrogen is released with more ease.
 
I would say
 
9:53 AM
@AvatarShiny I deleted the question...because it was a duplicate. Extremely sorry/
 
Methyl
 
@AvatarShiny Reason?
 
@Abcd that's what I would have done
Anyway
Methyl because it less bulky
The compound would become planar
That's very flimsy reasoning though
It would more or less be the same
 
Re-posting my question so that others can see too:
Whose alpha hydrogen will be more participating in hyperconjugation, an ethyl group's or a methyl group's?
 
 
2 hours later…
11:46 AM
Where is the (-) charge more stable?
 
@Rick in the linear (2nd) structure I believe.
@Rick We can't expect there to be conjugation in a 3 membered ring.
 
Oh yes, you're right, that's not how it works
 
How is there conjugation in the alkane?
 
@AvatarShiny Oh yup, its not possible...
But still second one is more stable
angle strain.
 
Yeah
That should be it
 
12:23 PM
@mhchem Thanks, but still it's a bug, right? Else why does it say "bug ...please report.."?
@M.A.R. lol it's a "Forum" xD
 
@GaurangTandon how was your Physics exam?
 
@Rick very easy, except that I didn't know whether radio wave or micro wave is used in RADARs... :(
do you know which one? (no googling)
take a guess
 
radio?
just checked, looks like radio is right
 
haha no micro xD
given in our book
micro=short-radio-wavves
radio=long-radio-waves
can you believe that's so ridiculous?!?!?!?!?
insane
 
But RADAR stands for (ra)dio (d)etection (a)nd (r)anging
hmm
 
12:33 PM
yaah I know that's why I also wrote radio wave also :(
"A radar system consists of a transmitter producing electromagnetic waves in the radio or microwaves domain," quote wikipedia
now how do I get this correction done in the answer key?
can I, I think I am doomed?
 
 
But the thing is, there's no fixed boundary after which a wave is called microwave and not radiowave, right?
 
How they got $\Delta U$ ? Any help
Sorry I was sending in h bar lol
 
@GaurangTandon Oh, this was there in ICSE 10th also.
That spectrum chapter?
 
@Rick there is, check wiki
 
12:41 PM
Don't remember it?
@GaurangTandon microwaves right?
 
@Abcd yah yah microwave hi diya hai but kyuuuuuuunnnnn?
 
@Fawad Energy stored in the capacitor is $\frac{1}{2}CV^2$, but the work done by the battery to charge it is $qV$ where $q = CV$, so work done by the battery is $CV^2$, meaning $CV^2 - \frac{1}{2}CV^2 = \frac{1}{2}CV^2$ is lost.
 
@GaurangTandon I don't know about this stuff rn. I just remembered that from my ICSE 10th physics...
 
Radiowaves are not as clear
 
@GaurangTandon How was the paper? Hard or Easier than last time?
 
12:44 PM
Microwaves
 
@Abcd did you figure out the answer to this question, I missed a lot many things in 4 hours
 
@GaurangTandon wait 12th boards
 
@Abcd I gave the ISC physics paper for the first time, so I don't know about the last time ;) :P
 
@GaurangTandon Nope.
@GaurangTandon you must have solved last 10 years papers...
My favourite part in your physics paper are the Grade 11 Chemistry Atomic structure questions. :p
Oh and control rods- obviously cadmium
 
@Abcd nah, my book (nootan) had sufficient practice to give me many practice questions, and solved
actually this year paper format has changed a bit
so it's useless solving last year papers
@Abcd hey how do you know about the QP? you also in 12th???
@Abcd haha they're the easiest after de broglie
 
12:47 PM
@GaurangTandon the paper is here
 
@Abcd accha oh :P
 
When is your next exam and which one?
 
@Abcd comp sci; easiest for me
23rd
 
@GaurangTandon oh, how did you manage CS. I get NOOO time for that
 
@AvatarShiny yeah that's the right answer but wiki says both should be corect
@Abcd i did it when I was young, and then it stuck in my mind forever
@Abcd i think the answer should be B, because trans is generally more stable than cis...
 
12:50 PM
 
@Abcd give me half an hour... i'm really tired
@Rick I think you too are completely stumped ;) see, that's the beauty of boards, you lose marks on the most useless questions of your life lol :P
 
Very true...
 
@M.A.R. as if is finished? There's more than a thousand questions left, and once I cross 2k rep, I'll burn them all in fire!
it's actually very easy; light a matchstick, pick questions one by one; drop them together; put petrol on them; put matchstick also; and then watch it burn hahahaha
 
@GaurangTandon true
 
@Rick well, it's not that easy still; will have to manually clean up those questions one by one... cries
 
12:58 PM
@GaurangTandon There is a reason why we are doing that very, very slowly. It is our measure to also weed out redundant or low quality content. If it were only for deleting the tag, that could be done automatically. Retagging is not really enough (cc @AvatarShiny)
 
@Martin-マーチン yes yes captain, I know you've said that before, I was just joking :P
 
i know you were, but it doesn't hurt saying that again... when in doubt post it to spring cleaning
 
@Martin-マーチン yep, I agree, I was planning to spam spring-cleaning with lots of posts once I cross 2k, those which I don't feel 100% confident in retagging
 
well, i'm going to be on a break soon until mid april, so be gentle to my fellow mods ;)
 
@Martin-マーチン you're going on a break :( :( :(
why would you leave this place for soooooooo loooooonnnnggggg :(
 
1:07 PM
because i'm moving from one continent to another, and i need time to adjust
 
@Martin-マーチン japan to europe? phd's over? you must've got full marks in final exam?
 
or maybe it could be a misnomer, like how native americans are called Indians? Like, what's the point of a radar which gets interfered by FM stations
 
i completed my phd a rather long time ago...
 
oh oh you're a post doctoral fellow that means you're past phd pardon my ignorance :P
@Rick really really really. I agree with you completely. Now, if only we could go and tell gerry arathoon and his physics team
 
but that's complicating it...low frequency radiowaves are radiowaves too
 
1:11 PM
@GaurangTandon well, they haven't released the marking scheme yet... Maybe both might be accepted.
@GaurangTandon Also, consider emailing about this to the Council.'
 
@Abcd convert that maybe to definitely and get a fresh 2k rupee note from me ;)
@Abcd they do accept any emails regarding that?
 
@GaurangTandon yes, if sufficient number of people email them.
Ask your school Principal to email them
 
@Abcd hmmm I'll contact my physics teacher first, first be scolded by him for ignoring this obvious thing, then ask him to do the corrections :P
*obvious to those who rote learned the entire book like morning prayer
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@GaurangTandon lol, yes
 
yeah these things are useless for JEE
 
1:21 PM
@Martin-マーチン I started with greatest upvotes , though . Understood......
 
any little thing helps... the higher voted questions are usually more cared for, so we never looked at them with urgency. but most importantly, enjoy yourself...
 
@Martin-マーチン should I start with questions with score >=1
 
@AvatarShiny when you're having a bad day, edit the highly voted questions; when you're having a good day, edit the bad quality questions... that's how I maintain my daily equilibrium :P
 
yeah, and don't forget to vote and flag...
 
1:37 PM
@Abcd that's an eye opener :-O
 
yeah!
 
which book did you get this from? I really feel the need for more practice now
@Abcd
 
@GaurangTandon Solomon Frhyle, MS Chauhan's edition.
 
@Abcd page number/topic name? (i have the book too)
 
@GaurangTandon Your daily equilibrium is my monthly equilibrium
 
1:41 PM
@GaurangTandon page 21, question 3. (edition 3)
 
@Abcd alright; but I think this chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/25167/5026 should've answered your query, did it?
 
@GaurangTandon yes, it did.
 
@AvatarShiny haha, I do tend go on rapid sprees of several edits
@Abcd great
 
4 hours ago, by Abcd
Whose alpha hydrogen will be more participating in hyperconjugation, an ethyl group's or a methyl group's?
 
@Rick did you sort out your solomn fryhle thing from yesterday? (cc: @AvatarShiny)?
 
1:43 PM
I think that was Abcd only
 
@AvatarShiny you guys start using your real names because it's really confusing to keep track :(
@Abcd probably methyl because it's carbanion, formed after hyperconjugation, will be more stable? (ethyl will have extra +I destabilization effect)
 
@GaurangTandon yeah, it was me :p
I am busy with physics right now.
Will get back to that solomon frhyle thing tomorrow. Will you be there tomorrow @GaurangTandon
 
@Abcd yep, meet you at the table tomo, 10am?
 
@GaurangTandon sure.
 
Lol Abcd you're a regular in both the table and the h bar/"problem solving strategies" (<-- such a boring chat name room :P)
that's great
at least you're sharpening both phy and chem at the same time
 
1:49 PM
@GaurangTandon yup, I have many questions...
 
@GaurangTandon The Problem Vanquishing Arena?
 
@Rick admit that IIT training lead to a loss of natural creativity ;)
 
2:02 PM
@ApoorvPotnis Did something related to the JEE syllabus/past year questions make you start the bounty? chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/75274/5026 or just curiosity about the question's answer?
 
New user: I have no idea how to start this problem. Translation: I didn't pay attention in class and I am too lazy to read the chapter in my book. Give me the solution so that I won't fail, and please don't include any explanations that I would have to memorise, and btw. Chemistry sux.
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@Martin-マーチン just ask them if they read about the related topic xyz in class before, they'll never reply again ;)
 
Haha... I once was as enthusiastic as you, trying to engage each and everyone, and that was where traffic was 10% of what it is now. It is impossible, cater to the ones who care, ignore the rest. We are a small site, we can still clear our close queue, on many larger sites that is almost impossible since years. You don't do yourself a favour caring for lost causes...
 
@Martin-マーチン that is really really true
of the dozen template comments I left i never get a reply back
(though I use text expansion software for those templates so sometimes it doesn't really hurt that much :P)
 
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Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

Benjol No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments (canned responses), which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to thi...

 
2:14 PM
:-O
my whole life was a lie
why teh joeelll dont make thees a feature in your appp?!?!?!?!
 
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Q: Comment Templates

M.A.R.Guidance is pretty important, and I'm going to write a meta post in some other meta about it soon. Long story short, if it weren't about guiding users, I wouldn't be writing this and you wouldn't be reading it. There are some things that are happening often enough in the main site that I feel li...

Okay I'm off to see the sandman now
 
@Martin-マーチン i've seen that page before, but missed that stack app; should've been written in h1 heading instead
@Martin-マーチン you can read the literature from three languages I am so jealous
 
nah. Only if you count bad german
 
:) yeah I can read Chinese and English, and sometimes French (but I'm bad at it)
 
@Martin-マーチン well why would it be bad if it's your mother tongue? I guess it's the same thing with my Hindi
@JavaScriptCoder Chinese? That language with blocky zig-zag letters? Woahhhh!
 
2:19 PM
:)
 
I speak english and german (and bad german)
 
I speak english and hinglish (and really bad hindi)
 
@GaurangTandon Just curiosity. I think it'll be important for many high school/first year undergraduate students.
@Martin-マーチン Do you know Japanese?
 
@Martin-マーチン what? You write your username in japanese and you don't know japanese? That's a contradiction :/
@ApoorvPotnis yes, I am also curious
 
2:33 PM
When you're in Japan, you learn that, even though you understand bits and pieces, speaking the language is something completely different. And it is safest to say that you don't speak it, that way there are no misconceptions later on and everything is less awkward.
 
@Abcd I just checked, I also have a ? mark on that 3rd question (page 27 for me) :P
@Martin-マーチン oh, that's interesting
 
@GaurangTandon hmm
@GaurangTandon Which other books did you use for Organic?
 
@GaurangTandon Maybe..if you get trapped in all the negativity surrounding it
 
@Abcd I use MS Chouhan only. It's really good for practice
 
or have really bad teachers who only show how to get marks instead of actually learning the subject
 
2:36 PM
lol at least my teacher is decent
 
@Rick well it sometimes becomes dull with those teachers, but high school chem really becomes fun on this site :D
 
@GaurangTandon Exactly!
 
I go to a UofI lab high school, so I get to take college classes even though im in 8th grade
 
@GaurangTandon and for physical chemistry? For inorganic I guess you use JD Lee's indian edition.
 
its fun
 
2:36 PM
my teacher is good but the thing is I am not his only student, so sometimes my doubts go unanswered from him, I naturally come to this site
@Abcd it's a reference book only. Buy balaji for practice. And mug up all the facts from NCERT. nothing more.
@JavaScriptCoder what school is that? is it in India?
 
no, USA
 
@GaurangTandon JEE question look easier after using this site, right? especially chemistry
 
@JavaScriptCoder well you can expect that there. it's a great opportunity for you
 
yeah @GaurangTandon im lucky
 
@Rick yes, but not always :P sometimes the multiple choice questions are tricky, and sometimes the single integer
 
2:39 PM
Which book did you use for physical chemistry @GaurangTandon?
N Avasthi?
 
@Abcd used RCM; then ditched it as its junk; bought Cengage part 1 and 2; now my life is bliss
@Abcd I don't know him. Who's he?
seems pretty popular on amazon
 
@GaurangTandon Its a famous physical chemistry JEE book with tough questions.
 
@GaurangTandon I can vouch for Cengage its pretty good
 
@GaurangTandon Even I has RCM, it so SO easy, even I dumped it...
 
@Abcd i'd bet cengage is much better; it has solved examples and questions from NCERT also
 
2:41 PM
@GaurangTandon nope dude, when it comes to tough questions, N Avasthi is the choice.
 
@JavaScriptCoder Yeah, but there must be slight differences in UsA and India curriculum
 
@Abcd well it really never gets that difficult in physical in jee advanced, does it?
the only landmine is organic chemistry
the only savior is physical chem
and the only rote learning stuff is inorg
that said, I didn't never truly realize how many books is the definitive minimum
usually books are a way to orient your mind and once that's done all books will feel okayish
@Abcd chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42934270#42934270 5.9A in the new 3rd edition green cover is "Racemic forms"
can you send a photo of that page? (I don't seem to find that heading anywhere)
@Abcd though even after what I said, the truth is that I am really unwilling to change my primary book for at least until JEE main is over :P
I will keep your advice in mind, and hopefully buy NAwathi after mains, but at least not now...
 
@GaurangTandon What is the year written on the cover page of your book?
 
not until I completely finish cengage first
 
2:50 PM
2018 is written on mine.
 
2017
:(
 
@GaurangTandon the chapter is Nomenclature and Conformations of Cycloalkanes.
 
3:05 PM
(sorry for delay I went to eat dinner)
checking it out
they had this chapter merged under chapter 4 initially - Alkanes
mil gaya!
page 180 in 2017 book
it's 4 pages long, "Rotamer barriers in saturated compounds"
and then 4 more for unsaturated one
give me time to read all that
@ApoorvPotnis Thanks for editing that CW answer! :D One thing though, if the markdown is in place and you delete one list item, it will still render correctly. For example, 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. will render the same as 1. 1. 1. 1. or 1. 2. 4. 3. 3. or any random combo you can come up with (each list item on its on new line)
you needn't correct the list numbers all the way till the bottom ;)
 
@JavaScriptCoder are you in university or going to applying?
 
3:24 PM
@Rick apparently he's in class 8th...
OMG the context of this question. Is this really the most interesting background for any question that has ever been asked on on Chem.SE?
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Q: Fire by chemical

user59309A friend of mine who thinks that she is under influence of black magic, meet a astrologer. the astrologer asked her to wear a t-shirt for 3 nights and then bring that to him. The astrologer cut some lemons and rubbed throughout the t-shirt. Then he used some water on her hands and face and aske...

 
@GaurangTandon Thanks for the info. I tried creating a list using <ol> but the links were not clickable. So I just manually numbered it
I have little experience with programming.
@Rick @GaurangTandon His profile shows that he studies at University of Illinois.
@GaurangTandon Be cautious with the theory of cengage. It contains some mistakes
 
3:45 PM
@ApoorvPotnis it does? I didn't find more than one or two :/
 
For example, the diagrams of azeotropes are completely wrong.
 
@Rick no im in middle school :P did you think I was university-level? I'm flattered
Yeah im at a University of Illinois lab high school
that counts
 
@GaurangTandon My parents say bad people on the internet I smol boi not big boi can't share my name
Feel free to guess
 

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