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ArtOfCode

18:44

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Q: How to avoid decreasing user activity?

At this moment we have 59 visits/day (one of the lowest rates since the start of the private beta). When Community Promotion Ads can be launched? How to encourage users to get involved? Should we promote HR on Area51? I mean inviting users to participate and help us.

discussion

Adam

19:18

Sometimes I wonder how people misinterpret "hardware recommendations."

ArtOfCode

@Adam Are we going to have meta-answering battles?

Zizouz212

Hi peeps ee peeps!

ArtOfCode

@Undo Do you want the privilege of posting your (very nicely-designed) ad on other sites, or are you happy to leave it to others to do?

@JohnB ^ the same to you, for your ad.

JohnB

I posted mine on Graphic Design but others should feel free to post it elsewhere

ArtOfCode

Ta.

JohnB

19:26

yup yup

Undo

@ArtOfCode No objection from me with others posting it

Ideally throw a comment with a link so I can go vote on it

ArtOfCode

@Undo Ta. I said I'd co-ordinate the posting of ads

(or what ads we have, anyway)

Zizouz212

@JohnB That post you linked to on Graphic Design:

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@ArtOfCode Sorry, beat you to it.

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 You did?

Zizouz212

and...

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

haha

hahaha

hahahaha

hahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

HAHA!

ArtOfCode

19:37

Meh, I was just going to check who was going to post what :)

I don't actually mind who posts.

Zizouz212

Waiting for this to get to 6

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A: Community Promotion Ads - Let's advertise this site!

Adam

:)

Zizouz212

Oh shoots.

> We recently entered public beta, so we need to get word out to the rest of Stack Exchange about Open Source Stack Exchange. One of the best ways of doing this is with Community Promotion Ads.

Did anyone notice that?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 I've been waiting for you to notice ;)

Zizouz212

You don't say a word.

Adam

19:42

I actually really like your idea of posting my ad on Arqade @Zizouz212

I thought Andy mentioned that error a while ago.

Andy

@Zizouz212 did you notice my message a few days ago about requested wording changes and additions to the post?

Adam

Ah I was right.

Zizouz212

There. Changed

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Already did that.

Zizouz212

@Andy Hm, probably not.

Hm, we did the same thing.

But, my edit description is possibly effective at diverting users from noticing. :)

ArtOfCode

19:44

@Zizouz212 You added a space, and an edit comment.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode I changed Hardware Recs too. Wonder why it didn't tell me the post had been changed.

ArtOfCode

Who's played Portal? Any of them?

@Zizouz212 shrug

Zizouz212

@Andy Where's the message. I'll do that right now :)

ER ME GUD!

I just thought of an awesome ad idea for Programmers

Adam

@ArtOfCode I play it all the time

ArtOfCode

@Adam The musical talent in the team that made that game. Jesus they're good.

Zizouz212

19:52

What's a good font?

Like the one in Undo's ad?

ArtOfCode

@Ziz what purpose?

Zizouz212

Just something that is soft.

Adam

@ArtOfCode Yeah the soundtracks are definitely amazing. They do a good job of making it fit the atmosphere

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Go with sans-serif, something clean and light. I have a suspicion Undo used Helvetica, or some variant.

Use Google Fonts to help you choose.

Adam

@Zizouz212 I use Roboto for a ton of things. It's good for headings and body text.

Zizouz212

19:56

Hmmm

How's this so far?

Still polishing it, but how's it for a concept?

Um, opinions?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Looks like the wrong dimensions...

Zizouz212

Nah, they're the right ones. It might be off a few pixels since it's a screenshot

ArtOfCode

Ah, that'll be it, yeah 441x551.

440 by 500 is required.

Zizouz212

Nah, it's 440 by 550

ArtOfCode

Or any multiple of 220 by 250

Zizouz212

20:00

@JohnB You lied!

Note: you can also export your with dimensions 440 x 550 px to make it look nicer on high density displays — JohnB 2 days ago

Geez!

ArtOfCode

OK, Undo's is by 550. I'm sure it should be 500...

@Ziz but if you're going to do that, for god's sake anti-alias your fonts :)

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode anti-alias?

JohnB

oops, typo

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Gets rid of the pixelated blocky-edge effect.

Zizouz212

-_-

ArtOfCode

20:02

Makes circles look more like circles rather than pixels in a circular shape.

Zizouz212

Hm, @Undo Your thing is 220x275

JohnB

look at all the devastation I have caused D:

sorry guys

Zizouz212

@Undo! Undo that ad!

Oh dear. @JohnB is secretly destroying us again

meta.hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/219/…

Stop making my phone ring!

ArtOfCode

@Ziz little bit more anti-alias on the sans-serif font, and resize down to x500. Then you're golden.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode That's Helvetica...

ArtOfCode

20:09

@Zizouz212 So it is. Little bit more anti-alias on the Helvetica.

Zizouz212

How do I do that?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Good question. What editor are you using?

Zizouz212

Hmmm... I could quite probably ask my friend...

@ArtOfCode Pixlr. pixlr.com

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 sigh. Oh dear.

I have no idea, then.

Zizouz212

How would you do it in a normal editor?

ArtOfCode

20:11

@Zizouz212 Depends completely on the editor. Many have a tool for it.

I've never needed to do it because fonts automatically anti-alias in my editor.

Zizouz212

Hmmm

I'm using yellow for the You don't program in BIOS. Should I use a different colour? I should probably make the Hardware Recs SE part more distinct and use a different font/colour as well

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 I went with the site color themes.

Dark of #3e5583, light of #8fd8f5.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Hm, English?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 They're hex color values...

Zizouz212

Blue? Dark blue? Hot pink?

Adam

20:15

The beta color theme is good because it's easier to tell that we're in beta just by looking at the ad.

Zizouz212

ArtOfCode

Dark shade: #3e5583; rgb(143, 216, 245); hsl(220, 36%, 38%); darkish blue-navy.

Adam

99.9% of hex values don't have actual names because there are so many of them.

ArtOfCode

Light shade: #8fd8f5; rgb(143, 216, 245); hsl(197, 84%, 76%); light turquoise-blue.

Adam

Just make sure you stick with only a few colors or people will be confused.

ArtOfCode

20:17

I try to keep to the rule of maximum 3 colors in a simple thing like this, unless you're really skilled.

Zizouz212

@Adam That's what I'm nervous about. I don't really like the yellow on blue, especially with a narrowish font. What complements blue again?

ArtOfCode

Which I like to think I am, but it's probably not true.

@Zizouz212 Yellow. R-G, P-O, B-Y.

You don't always want the complement, though.

White is a good bet.

Zizouz212

Alright. White.

What about the bg colour?

ArtOfCode

Keep the blue behind the code; that's reminiscent of a BIOS screen. I'd make it some other color under your HR.SE and related text, to distinguish it.

Zizouz212

Maybe a slightly darker blue?

ArtOfCode

20:19

Aye, could do. Lemme work out a midpoint.

Zizouz212

Nah, just got a perfect colour

Better blue?

Adam

Also remove the period after SE since that line isn't a sentence.

Zizouz212

ArtOfCode

Try rgb(31, 49, 193)

Adam

Oh wait never mind. Thought you still had it.

Zizouz212

20:22

@ArtOfCode As bg? The updated one is rgb(0, 13, 199)

ArtOfCode

Yeah, as background. That's a midpoint between your original BIOS blue and the SE dark-shade blue.

Zizouz212

Alright.

With your background:

Andy

2 days ago, by Andy

@Zizouz212, I can't edit your community ads post and you preempted the one I was preparing. Can you change a few things on your post?

Start there. It's a block

Zizouz212

@Andy Alright Sure. Edits away!

Andy

Thanks :)

Adam

20:24

Ziz, be careful with your alignment as well. How you place things can make a huge difference.

Zizouz212

You can really blame at @HDE226868 for that kinda. I sort of copied that entire thing from Open Source anyway. Sorry @HDE226868 for stealing your post :)

ArtOfCode

cv-pls @All: hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/517/8

HDE 226868

@Zizouz212 No prob. Glad I helped!

Adam

If only we could migrate to SU already.

ArtOfCode

@Adam My thoughts exactly. I miss my feeling of power that lets me just migrate stuff in a couple clicks. Hey, if you get picked for mod...

Gilles

20:35

@ArtOfCode we have the close review queue for that, no need to post this in chat

@Zizouz212 Ow, the colors! This would look much better in white on blue.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 May I recommend the following changes:

Damn, that font could do with being a little bigger. Ah well. That's my take on it; use what changes from that you will/want.

Adam

The yellow is hard to read against a light background.

Andy

Please change the color of the bottom font

ArtOfCode

@Adam Also working on that.

Better version of my take on Ziz's ad upcoming.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Hey wait. Doesn't that have to do with that "implicit" recommendation stuff?

@ArtOfCode Yes! What colour is that light blue?

ArtOfCode

20:43

@Zizouz212 I don't think so. He's literally just wondering if he can run WX on <4GB RAM.

@Zizouz212 Not telling you, because here's a better version:

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Wow. Thanks :/

ArtOfCode

For the record, it was the SE light shade :)

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Hm, I'm going to grab that and just add a small tweak :)

HDE 226868

@ArtOfCode The fading works surprisingly well.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Go ahead. I can chuck you a .pdn file if you have Paint.NET.

Zizouz212

20:45

@ArtOfCode Paint.NET? Ew

ArtOfCode

@HDE226868 You wouldn't think it did, would you?

Zizouz212

I could've used my own paint app that I made -_-

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Better than GIMP, cheaper than Photoshop.

Zizouz212

I just need to think of a good name for it

ArtOfCode

More features than your app ;)

Zizouz212

20:46

@ArtOfCode My app is ever evolving

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 I can still guarantee PDN has more stuff.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Not for long.

Mind you, I might check it out to get ideas for features.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 It also has plugin capability, so you can add your own features. Have fun implementing that.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode God damn it.

In fact, that's a good idea right there though. Thanks :D

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Yeah. Plugins are hard to get right, though. Not saying it's impossible, but it's not easy.

Zizouz212

20:49

I've designed it so that everything is an interface, so it should be fairly easy to implement.

ArtOfCode

For your paint app to be good enough for me, one of the essential things is I have to be able to zoom down to pixel level and edit individual pixels.

Zizouz212

The core is literally just interfaces, and the app is the actual classes

@ArtOfCode I've got that already :)

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Good. Can I paste stuff in from my clipboard?

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Uh, like what?

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A: Community Promotion Ads - Let's advertise this site!

After a bit of back and forth in chat, here's the final product. Special thanks to everyone, especially Art for really giving it the finishing touches.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 I have an image copied to my clipboard. Can I paste it directly onto the canvas?

Zizouz212

20:51

@ArtOfCode It's slightly buggy, but it works half the time.

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 That'll do. Um. What else do I use?

All the basic tools. Pencil, fill, shapes, magic wand are the most common.

Must have a good color picker.

Zizouz212

There's a wide variety of brushes and strokes to draw things. Draw/Fill shapes and stuff too :)

@ArtOfCode Is the JColorChooser okay?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Not a clue, never used it.

Zizouz212

Let me get a screenshot

Well, can't find one. Let me make one...

Basically, you can choose to have transparency, and get a colour from a palette, HSV, HSL, RGB, and CYMK colour models

ArtOfCode

This is what I'm used to:

This type of thing is also good:

Zizouz212

20:55

Is this okay (missing the transparency, but I've got Java 6 on this, so...)

ArtOfCode

It's adequate ;) Transparency and a hex input and it would be good.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode Yeah, it's got those both, but in Java 8. I'll distribute my app in Java 8 of course :)

ArtOfCode

Goooood. Ah, gradients?

Zizouz212

Unless there's an open source colour chooser I can find, then I'm sticking with the Swing colour chooser

ArtOfCode

Gradients and layers are the last two major things, I think.

Zizouz212

20:58

@ArtOfCode I don't have layers, but I've got full undo/redo if that helps?

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 I assumed that as standard ;) Layers are really useful, it has to be said. I split your ad into 3 layers to get my editing right.

Zizouz212

@ArtOfCode I'm hoping to do that, but I'm also trying to limit my memory to under 100 MB as well. With the current setup, it runs at about 90

ArtOfCode

@Zizouz212 Jeez. That's a hard task. Java is memory-intensive, so you can be forgiven for more memory usage than others.

I wrote a text editor in C# once. Lemme get some metrics on that.

A whole 9.7 MB RAM usage.

On an empty file, that is. If I open a big file I imagine it'll be more. Let's check that.

Oh, and I just realised I haven't finished my audio mastering either. Fun.

Ugh, I do hate it when artists use one mic to capture everything. Like, what do you expect me to do with that?

ArtOfCode

21:16

OK, that'll do.

Adam

Good luck working with a single channel.

belford

Hi! ;)

ArtOfCode

@Adam My problem exactly. I have one stereo audio channel, how am I supposed to bring out the best of the music with that?

@belford Hi there!

belford

Could you believe that they have 100% answered ratio? @Andy's answer has surprised me. communitybuilding.stackexchange.com

At this moment we have 57 questions with no upvoted or accepted answers. We should do something about it ;).

ArtOfCode

@belford A number of sites have 100%, including I believe my own Open Source.

It'd be a better idea to compare our stats to SR's. Recommendations sites have low answer rates, because some questions nobody has the experience to answer.

belford

21:35

Sure, I would agree. According to the information about no upvoted answers... Is there any way to suggest "featured" badge for the question? Should we call Robert Cartaino? I mean this post: meta.hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/38/…

ArtOfCode

@belford May be easier just to wait til we have mods. The CMs are understandably pretty slow at responding to flags, and often leave non-critical flags like that alive until the moderators are installed.

ArtOfCode

21:58

@Adam suggested edit review that I've done half of awaiting you

Undo

22:32

@Zizouz212 wut

Oh okay. Not my fault, for once :P

@belford Throw an 'other' flag on it if you really think it deserves it

Okay, this is embarassing... I don't have the original xcf for that

Ooops :P

Easy enough to recreate, though

@Ziz Grab the right sized one from meta.hardwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/219/….

Zizouz212

23:11

oh lol

ArtOfCode

23:29

@Zizouz212 yours is still x550, FYI.

Zizouz212

Oh yeah, I need to fix that.

ArtOfCode

Aye. You may need to remove SE from the text, which may also screw the background without the layers. I'll rework it tomorrow if needs be.

Zizouz212

Why do I need to remove SE?

Adam

Including SE is sort of pointless. The ads are already displayed within SE. It's really only useful for URLs.

@ArtOfCode I'll get on that edit pretty soon.

Zizouz212

Thing is, Stack Exchange is a part of the site name if you think about it. There's no argument for it, but there really isn't anything against it either

ArtOfCode

23:33

You might need to remove it to make it fit, I mean

Zizouz212

Can't I just scale it? If I need a crop, it will likely have to be vertical

ArtOfCode

It's too wide, but the right height. If you scale it, you'll screw the aspect ratio.

Zizouz212

Hmmm, let me see..

Adam

You should try to avoid "trapping" empty space between things, so you'd have to scale the text down or remove SE.

Zizouz212

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

ArtOfCode

23:39

@Zizouz212 sigh. I'm sure that's still at 5. Oh well.

Zizouz212

Yabadabadoo!

You should know me, I'm immature and do things when I'm not supposed to.

:D

Oh, shoot. It's actually at 6.

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A: Community Promotion Ads - Let's advertise this site!

HAHA Suckers! (in despicable minion voice)

Adam

Hurrah

ArtOfCode

Fair warning: gamedev's ads are dead in terms of any sort of clickthrough response. Post it on Arqade too.

Zizouz212

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A: Community Promotion Ads - 2015

Hm, I need to update that post based on what Andy said...

@Gilles The legal name is still Stack Exchange apparently though...

ArtOfCode

OK, Arqade's ads have pretty low response too. Oh well.

Zizouz212

23:47

Give it some time...

ArtOfCode

As in, one approved in May has got <20 clicks since then.

Zizouz212

Which?

Well, time to go back to reader User Interface Guidelines - developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Java/Conceptual/… :D

Apple. Why?

> The default character encoding in Java for OS X is MacRoman. The default font encoding on some other platforms is ISO-Latin-1 or WinLatin-1; unlike MacRoman, these encodings are subsets of UTF-8. Programs that assume that filenames can be turned into UTF-8 by just turning a byte into a char will cause problems in OS X.

But filenames are UTF-8... Interesting.

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