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John Zhau
John Zhau
03:11
In bash, func(){ ... } declares a func, but is there any case where something goes in between the ()?
ToxicFrog
ToxicFrog
03:39
Nope!
I mean, you can put whitespace there
but anything else is a syntax error
And in fact the () is completely optional, you can just do function foo { ... }
 
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Andras Deak
Andras Deak
11:51
that's weird
terdon
terdon
@ToxicFrog function is also optional! You can do foo(){ } or function foo {}.
Andras Deak
Andras Deak
12:18
And foo {}?
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
@AndrasDeak no, you need either function or () to indicate a function declaration
Andras Deak
Andras Deak
That's what I thought. So it's insufficient to say that "() is completely optional" and "function is also optional" :P
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I just realised that Stack Overflow Jobs is going away. I realise the answer to this is almost certainly no, but has anyone here ever got a job through it?
terdon
terdon
13:16
@AndrasDeak yep. Insufficient, but true! Perfect confusion!
But that's why I clarified: You can do foo(){ } or function foo {}.
I should have added _but not foo{} or function () {}
Andras Deak
Andras Deak
13:41
Yup :P
XOR
terdon
terdon
13:53
By the way, @AndrasDeak, I hope it was clear that when I referred to you as an "unsavory character", the other day, that was meant as a friendly joke and a welcome. I assume you took it that way from your answer, but since there is no body language in chat, I wanted to make sure.
I was just pleased to see a familiar "face".
Andras Deak
Andras Deak
14:29
@terdon haha, yes, of course. I make enough noise here that you shouldn't have to worry about that (but I understand it's better to make sure)
αғsнιη
αғsнιη
15:02
we have learning tag!!
then we close the request for the learning type questions!
the tag is created by the community; can you [mods] delete it?
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
@αғsнιη the community can delete it too — once the tag is gone from all questions using it, it will be deleted.
terdon
terdon
15:34
@AndrasDeak yeah, I wasn't really worried, I think I know you well enough to know you can detect a joke :) Just checking to be on the safe side.
What Stephen said, @αғsнιη.
αғsнιη
αғsнιη
thanks @StephenKitt; I voted some questions for deletion too, and some require one more deletion vote to delete entirely
@terdon you can help us in this way too : )
there are 6 questions remained with just having "learning" tag, and there is really nothing to substitute them with another tag other than deleting the questions altogether
terdon
terdon
16:13
@αғsнιη Only two are open as far as I can tell. Anyway, there are two choices: completely delete the posts or create a new tag that fits them.
I don't really want to go around unilaterally deleting posts just to remove a tag. So if this is something you feel is worth doing, please open a meta post about it.
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
16:48
I'm tentatively planning to move from my current email hosting provider to mailbox.org. At least on trial basis. I thought at the same time I would try getmail instead of fetchmail, which I have been using for 20+ years.
But fetchmail has an init script, at least in Debian. While getmail doesn't. I was thinking of using a systemd script for getmail. Because one really needs a script to run these things. Though I would prefer not to have to write my own, because it will likely be buggy.
Thoughts?
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
Put it in a cron job...
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@StephenKitt Isn't systemd better than cron?
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
@FaheemMitha “better” depends on what you’re trying to achieve. Given what you wrote above, the fact that cron jobs are hard to get wrong seems like a big advantage (I’m assuming you already know how to set up a cron job, and aren’t as familiar with systemd user units).
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
17:04
@StephenKitt Correct, I'm not familiar with systemd user units. Perhaps I should have said "flexible and powerful" instead of better.
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
I still use fetchmail on my home computer, with the Debian system service; I use isync on my work computer, driven by a systemd user unit (and timer).
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I'm also open to learning about systemd stuff.
While we're on the topic, can anyone recommend a good tutorial? Or should I just look for a man page?
@StephenKitt I still use fetchmail too. But it quite frequently stops working for no reason. Unless unstable internet connections are a reason. One reason for trying something new. After 20+ years, it's not too hasty a decision.
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
Not tutorials, but freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.timer.html and freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html are well worth reading.
I’m just wary of adding a hurdle in your mail migration ;-).
αғsнιη
αғsнιη
@terdon these are remaining questions with learning tag, which I believe those can be deleted as none of them suitable to stay in our site
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/124369
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/147713
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/405
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/34471
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/166689
terdon
terdon
Yeah, maybe, but I really don't like deleting myself if I can avoid it. Certainly not without a meta discussion.
Stephen Kitt
Stephen Kitt
17:14
Yes, this isn’t a “nuke it from orbit” scenario...
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@StephenKitt I plan to test extensively first. But I'll reconsider if someone says that systemd units (or whatever they are called) are junk.
Of course, in that case, some reasons would be appreciated.
@StephenKitt Those certainly seem readable.
αғsнιη
αғsнιη
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Q: remove "learning" tag

αғsнιηWe have the "learning" tag which 5 questions now tagged with this, however as I checked none of these questions are suitable to https://unix.stackexchange.com when knowing that asking for learning materials is off-topic; Can we request for deletion of this learning tag alongside deleting those qu...

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terdon
terdon
17:50
@αғsнιη great, thanks!
 
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Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
19:17
Did we need something deleted?!? :)
Andras Deak
Andras Deak
Jeff already revving up his whacker
Jeff Schaller
Jeff Schaller
pruners, hedge trimmers, loppers, hand saw, weed whacker, chainsaw... I'm ready for action. #SendMe
jesse_b
jesse_b
I heard talk of chainsaws
Andras Deak
Andras Deak
19:33
"Whack the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

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