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3:52 PM
As it again nears freezing, hopefully will get to see the snow fall today. Yesterday it got a bit further from the tree.
My temperature sensor now says its 32°F (0°C)
Supposed to get up to 40°F (4°C) today
 
4:41 PM
@derobert Do you have a fridge thermometer?
 
@FaheemMitha yes... is this related to anything?
 
@derobert Yes. I have one. But's a small dinky one.
I purchased it because our fridge was having issues. But I would like a better, more "professional" one.
Apparently the auto-defrost function was mishehaving. So it wasn't letting the fridge cool properly. Supposedly it is fixed now, but I'd like to check it out.
 
I have a couple. I have two wireless fridge/freezer thermometers at home, with alarms. They... work, though are crappy in various ways. Got a one that sits in the fridge (so you can only read it when the fridge is open) and put it in the fridge here at work, that one is much nicer
 
Huh, had two simultaneous SSH brute-force attacks using the same username from a DigitalOcean address and a Malaysian address. They arrived a second apart.
 
@derobert It would be nice to read the temp without the door open. But I suppose then we are talking wireless.
 
4:44 PM
Wirelss or getting a wire out of the fridge.
 
@derobert We had 5+ cm of snow in an hour today around lunch. Sorry, no photo.
 
One problem with a thermometer in the fridge is that the minute you take it out the temperature starts going up. And the dinky one I have doesn't have a freeze display option.
 
thermoworks.com/RT615 is the new one I have sitting in the fridge here at work (it was on sale for $9 at the time)
 
@derobert Yes, but wires out of the fridge doesn't fill me with enthusiasm.
@derobert Is it good?
 
Yes. Its nice and easy to read. Turns on when it detects light (so when the door is open).
 
4:46 PM
Some hits for Thermoworks here - amazon.in/s/…
 
But at usual, it's hard to know what to choose. As always, this would be much easier in the US.
 
that's the wireless one I have, it works but is crappy in many ways
ThermoWorks doesn't sell on Amazon, unfortunately.
 
@derobert 3.5 stars.
This one appears to be a cooking thermometer, but no range is given - amazon.in/ThermoWorks-ChefAlarm-by-Red/dp/B01NBRGW6R/…
Temperature range, I mean.
 
Mainly its crappy that the buttons on it are way over-sensitive. Try to press the alarm enable/disable button and watch it take it as five button presses. Just keep trying until it gets in the state you want. Same with e.g., the target temperature adjustment, which is annoying. But thankfully you only need to do that adjustment once in a while (after replacing batteries).
 
4:50 PM
@FaheemMitha :-)
 
Would I be correct in thinking that non-contact infrared thermometers are too imprecise to be useful?
 
@FaheemMitha ChefAlarm is a nice thermometer, but a way overkill
 
@derobert Would it work as a fridge thermometer? Like I said, no range is given. Of course I could check the product listing on the manufacturers web site.
 
@derobert Are you familiar with ChefAlarm then?
 
4:51 PM
I have one
 
@derobert What's the expected life of something like that? As you know, everything here is overpriced.
It looks a bit more business-like than a lot of those things.
 
It isn't really expected to ware out. It'd need new batteries, of course.
Operating Range 32 to 122°F (0 to 50°C)
 
Hmm, -50 to 300°C is what is listed on the product page you pointed me to.
 
so you would be towards the bottom end of that for a fridge. Unless you just get the cable inside, the probe is good down to -50°C
 
@derobert ware?
 
4:53 PM
wear
 
@derobert You mean the box itself?
 
Yeah. It's a digital thermometer. I expect it to last basically forever (exempting the batteries, of course)
 
@derobert I'd want something that works for a freezer too. But it sounds like the Operating Range would be a problem.
@derobert Actually cheap electronics can fall over and die quite quickly.
Why is Range and Operating Range different? That's confusing.
 
You wouldn't want to put it in the freezer. Putting the probe in would be fine (and even if your freezer somehow runs below -50, too low just won't read — I doubt it'd damage the probe)
 
I should probably ask on the Frying Pan. It's more on topic there.
 
4:56 PM
@FaheemMitha You can put the probe in 550°F oven.
You can absolutely not put the thermometer itself in the oven!
"Operating range" is for the thermometer itself
 
@derobert So the box could sit in the fridge, and snake the cable into the freezer? Do I understand you correctly?
 
Just drill a hole in the freezer for the cable, shouldn't affect insulation
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@FaheemMitha yes, you could do that. Or just have it sit on top of the fridge, and snake the cable in. Note that it's not going to be an easy cable to snake. It's got a braided steel jacket.
 
Unusually for an import, the price isn't grossly inflated here. It's really annoying when you are paying USD 20, 30 or even 40 for something that costs USD 10 in the US.
 
And a huge probe. It's intended to put in a roast in the oven.
 
4:59 PM
@derobert From outside the fridge that doesn't sound appealing. Does it have an option to freeze the display? And does it have a remote? The latter, I suppose, is unlikely.
@derobert Not really designed for a fridge, then?
Anything similar for the fridge? A lot of the fridge thermometers look really sucky.
 
@FaheemMitha No freeze the display, but it remembers high and low temperature.
 
@derobert Ok. Better than nothing, I suppose.
 
thermoworks.com/search?keywords=fridge ... they make a bunch intended for that
 
@derobert Ok, thank you. Looking.
Any specific recommendations?
Hi @PrabhjotSingh
 
Aloha Jesse
 
5:02 PM
As @Jesse_b mentions, the ones with probes on a wire are normally intended to either put through the door for temporary installation or alternatively drilled through the fridge for permanent install.
 
@FaheemMitha Hello, Encyclopedia of everything .
Hello @derobert
 
@PrabhjotSingh ?
 
@FaheemMitha I said Hello to you.
 
@derobert How about from the fridge to the freezer?
@PrabhjotSingh Except that I don't know who or what Encyclopedia of everything is.
 
@FaheemMitha You could do that too, if its easy enough to snake a cable through in your fridge/freezer.
 
5:04 PM
@FaheemMitha You are encyclopedia of everything.
 
@derobert Dunno. I'd have to check. And is that ChefAlarm actually designed to close? It kind of looks like it.
@PrabhjotSingh You must have me confused with someone else. Possibly Gilles.
 
@FaheemMitha it goes from flat (fully open) to maybe a 90° angle. It doesn't fold closed. Its so that it can be angled nicely when its sitting on a counter.
 
@derobert I see. Funny, I don't see it on Amazon (the US one).
I was looking for reviews.
 
ThermoWorks stuff isn't on Amazon, unfortunately.
 
@derobert Oh.
But they're good? In general, I mean.
 
5:06 PM
Yes
 
Ok, thanks.
 
Their support is pretty good too. So if you have any questions about their thermometers, you can email them and ask.
 
@FaheemMitha No, no. You and Rui know everything. I have seen it many times. If you don't like I take it back.
 
@derobert That's good to know. As you may have seen. the Indian listing only has one review. Which is relatively literate, by Indian standards. But no really enough to base a decision on.
@PrabhjotSingh Incredibly unlikely. Even Gilles doesn't know everything.
 
You might also want to inquire with them directly, they might have a reseller in India. Or at least be able to ship directly...
 
5:10 PM
Actually, @Fabby said at one point not to bother with fridge thermometers , because they suck. Just get a good general thermometer. He might have a point.
 
@FaheemMitha Once there was someone Stephen Hawkins, people used to say that read him, listen him. But I couldn't understand him
 
@derobert Good idea. Any other companies it might be worth checking with?
@PrabhjotSingh Hawking?
 
@FaheemMitha Yes, People in my school used to say read him.
 
@FaheemMitha ThermoWorks is the one that comes to mind for thermometers. Can't think of anyone else that consistently makes only good ones.
 
Adios.
 
5:15 PM
@derobert Wow, for all thermometers, generally? Across the huge variety available in the US?
@PrabhjotSingh Why?
 
@FaheemMitha Is there even another company that specializes in thermometers? And for home use, not say chemistry lab? I can think of some companies that make weather instruments... but they all put out crap too...
 
@derobert Actually, I could call them. They have a 800 number.
 
Yep. Call or email.
 
@derobert I have no idea. There are tons of thermometers listed in Amazon US. Less on Amazon India, but still quite a lot. How can one tell which of these are specialists?
@derobert Well, Sturgeons Law.
 
@FaheemMitha I guess you'd have to look each one up.
 
5:18 PM
@derobert I suppose so. More work.
 
@FaheemMitha does every restaurant and grocery store fridge have a thermometer in India? If so, maybe they have a reasonably-priced local source.
 
@derobert That's a thought, certainly.
I did find one company that seemed like they might be a specialist. But their web site was a bit offputting. Let me see if I can find it.
But I'm not finding the web site.
Also coleparmer.in/c/digital-thermometers but they are really expensive.
 
5:40 PM
@FaheemMitha Well, a traceable thermometer with calibration is going to be!
 
@derobert I don't know what that means. Are you saying they are really high end?
 
@FaheemMitha yes, these are thermometers used e.g. in the pharmaceutical industry
 
@StephenKitt ok
 
Calibration means someone took that particular thermometer into a calibration lab and measured & recorded exactly how close it is, then you get that along with the thermometer. Traceable means that calibration lab's temperature standard can be traced back to a standard maintained by a national standards lab (like NIST).
 
where you have to be able to answer questions such as “Why exactly did this batch end up being kept over temp for five minutes on December 12?”
and “Who vouches for your equipment?”
 
5:46 PM
@derobert I see. Is this relevant or useful for everyday use?
@StephenKitt Happily, I doubt I will ever have to answer such questions.
 
Not really. Unless you are monitoring a chemical reaction that has good yield at 53.5°C and being off by 1°C means your yield is halved (or whatever).
Or ruined. Or explodes. Things that happen in chemistry labs
Also important when you have customers who demand proof that you did it right. It's a way of outsourcing "does the thermometer work?"
 
@derobert and a legal requirement in many industrial settings
 
yeah
 
So Cole-Parmer is some sort of specialist in these kind of thermometers?
 
Lab equipment in general, I think. Not just thermometers.
 
5:51 PM
@derobert Oh
 
coleparmer.in/i/… e.g., if you order that, before shipping that particular thermometer to you, someone has tested it in a calibration lab at 0°C and 50°C to make sure it's within 0.2°C. And sends you certification of that.
That adds a lot of cost.
(I have no idea if they'll sell it to you uncalibrated or not. That'd be a fair bit cheaper. You could then measure it yourself in an ice bath, which would be close enough for anything outside a lab)
 
@derobert I would have thought they would have done this at the time of manufacturing.
@derobert I take it they are actually good thermometers, though.
And reliable. I'm not seeing a warranty.
 
@FaheemMitha It's possible its drifted some in storage. Also, no idea how much calibration the factory does.
 
@derobert Ok.
 
I have no idea how durable their stuff is, never used it. Probably the chemistry.se people could tell you (I'm guessing that site exists...)
 
6:06 PM
@derobert Yes, of course it does. But thermometers might not be on topic.
 
Gotta be more on topic in their chat than here... :-P
 
@derobert Possibly. Though the Frying Pan would be relatively on topic too.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:29 PM
Hmmm....Is there a construct as C (test)?x:y in bash? I could swear there was....
 
if test; then x; else y; fi
?
 
7:44 PM
@Kusalananda: This one seems interesting and a plausible challenge for shell or possibly awk: codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/178792/80835
 
@RuiFRibeiro Hi! I see a expr?expr:expr operator listed in bash manual, under Arithmetic Evaluation.
 
best I can come up with is: (($(tr -d -<<<$(($1-$2)))<6)) && echo true || echo false
 
@fra-san @Jesse_b I must then have dreamt it, thanks folks.
 
8:19 PM
@Jesse_b Remove the echos, True or False is given by the return value of the (( ... )), IMHO.
 
@Kusalananda Yeah the question didn't specify if return codes were sufficient
 
The snow has fallen! (And, oops, mouse).
Also... I now jave 37G of raw mjpeg video :-/
 
9:20 PM
Unfortunately this is an DCS-930L. So good 'ol 640x480. Got a better one arriving Thursday, but....
 
 
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11:27 PM
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