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11:00 PM

@Fabby not my writing style

@JeffSchaller I'm going to decamp here pretty soon as I'l be moving to Fedora as Canonical dropped Unity development and I might as well get a rolling release and KDE Plasma instead of Unity.

@RuiFRibeiro No offence taken if you revert or re-edit.

Rui F Ribeiro

@Fabby When I need to....

Jeff Schaller

Random U&L stat: 115000 total close votes but only 16000 reopen votes

Fabby

Something similar will make it a better answer though...

Rui F Ribeiro

@Fabby Dropped my Mac, in Debian now....

Faheem Mitha

11:02 PM

@Fabby The solution isn't for us to spend our time mass-reopening Kali questions. The solution is for people to think a bit before closing questions, especially as dupes of questions that aren't really dupes.

Jeff Schaller

Keep it simple and consistent: if it’s unclear, VTC as normal

Fabby

@FaheemMitha Not doing anything is agreeing with those close votes.

(IMHO)

I'm not doing anything about them, thus I agree and don't want the hassle of trying to explain concepts people have no clue about.

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby No, not at all.

It's not my job to fix actions that (IMO) should not have been taken in the first place.

Michael Homer

Reopen in order to close with a different reason is a hard barrow to push.

Fabby

Exactly: Now they get to know a lot about Kali and in 90% of all cases, it's not for them.

I mean: I've installed Kali just once on a USB stick and booted it and went through the manual just to see whjat all the fuss was about.

Michael Homer

11:08 PM

If you're not going to act in good faith, don't bother.

Fabby

I was done pretty quickly as my WiFi HW at the time didn't allow AP mode...

@MichaelHomer My good faith is: 99% of all users asking Kali questions here, don't need Kali...

This whole discussion started with a question asked by a single user who agreed that the dupe answered his question

I've got what? 3000 rep here?

Not even! 2K only...

Ah cooking I've got 3K now...

So, I'm going to keep my big moth shut now!

:-) ;-)

Michael Homer

Virtually none of the time is that question a duplicate. Votes that say it is are not good-faith acts. A comment suggesting hey, maybe this isn't what you wanted to be using, this question explains some of why, that could be a legitimate attempt to be helpful.

Fabby

Socrates

Michael Homer

I would rephrase the question if that were the use of it, but it's plausible. I would prefer just declaring Kali questions off-topic by fiat to the present situation, and basic decency preferable to both.

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby That's their decision to make, not anyone elses.

Maybe Kali is a crap distribution. I think it's fine to point it out, even, though it might be tactless. But people should use what they want. That's part of what free software is about.

And of course, one should bear in mind that some people just don't want (or refuse) to be be educated.

Fabby

11:18 PM

@FaheemMitha ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

Faheem Mitha

BTW, is it still the case that the Linux kernel doesn't have a bug tracking system?

Fabby

kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.html

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha Absolutely. People should also take responsability for what they want. It is not them taking their decisions and expecting this group to be the enabler debbuging their multiple problems.

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby ?

@RuiFRibeiro Nobody is suggesting that.

Fabby

@FaheemMitha Click the link: I' done talking about the subject.

Faheem Mitha

11:21 PM

We already covered that. You should ignore people with extreme prejudice if that is what your heart desires.

Rui F Ribeiro

@FaheemMitha It is what is happening....

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby I did.

Fabby

@FaheemMitha Good!

:D ;-)

Hey, question on Indian culture:

I always get weird reactions from my Indian (male) colleagues when I send them hugs and kisses,

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Thank you. That's kind of chaotic.

Fabby

whereas the women think it's endearing...

I'm half Italian as you know, so we kiss everything: men, women, children, dogs, ...

Not so much hugging and kissing going on in India???

@FaheemMitha Please define "Chaotic"

Faheem Mitha

11:25 PM

@Fabby In this case, no uniform rules. Apparently is depends on the subsystem.

Fabby

Caste? Region? Education?

Rui F Ribeiro

@Fabby The kissing part for us not that bad...what drives me mad is italian moving their arms talking and touching arms to request their turn talking

Fabby

@RuiFRibeiro :D :D :D

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Within families, yes. Otherwise, no. India is one of the most anti-sex places on Earth. And that translates into other stuff. Ironic, since it's also one of the most overpopulated places on Earth.

Fabby

@RuiFRibeiro How to shut up an Italian?

Cuff his hands!

Faheem Mitha

11:26 PM

Though I may have been presuming here, since I'm not sure if you expected an answer from me.

Rui F Ribeiro

@Fabby I know that one....:)

Fabby

@FaheemMitha No, I did expect an answer...

Faheem Mitha

In summary, no. Indians are in general not the most touchy-feely of people. At least between people who don't know each other well.

Fabby

I'm just surprised at the answer considering you lot wrote the Kama Sutra...

Faheem Mitha

But take that with a pinch of salt. I don't know much about Indian culture, and it's a very big place. Though, in some respects, dismayingly uniform.

@Fabby That was a very very long time ago.

Fabby

11:28 PM

Well, it's gone the rounds in the teams anyway that if I send huigs and kisses, it's just "the crazy Italian" doing that...

@FaheemMitha Ohh... now I need to Google that...

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby I take it your circle of acquaintances includes Indians. So why not ask them?

Fabby

@FaheemMitha They're colleagues... You're a chat-friend!

(and they've all gotten used to it now after 3 years...)

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby India was a very different place before the British came. It was different again before the Muslims came. As Hartley put it, the past is a foreign country, they do things differently there.

@Fabby Good for them.

Fabby

@FaheemMitha Wow! Need to Google some more!

Which hartley?

Faheem Mitha

There is a theory that Indian culture suffered severe trauma because of the British. But it's hard to prove, one way or another.

@Fabby A novel. "The Go-between".

The Go-Between

The Go-Between is a novel by L. P. Hartley published in 1953. His best-known work, it has been adapted several times for stage and screen. The book gives a critical view of society at the end of the Victorian era through the eyes of a naïve schoolboy outsider. == Plot summary == In the book’s Prologue, Leo Colston chances upon a diary from 1900, the year of his thirteenth birthday, and gradually pieces together a memory that he has suppressed. Under its influence, and from the viewpoint of what he has become by the midpoint of “this hideous century”, Leo relives the events of what had once seemed...

Fabby

11:32 PM

Contrary to western popular perception, the Kama Sutra is not exclusively a sex manual; it presents itself as a guide to a virtuous and gracious living that discusses the nature of love, family life, and other aspects pertaining to pleasure-oriented faculties of human life.

@FaheemMitha Thanks!!! :-)

Faheem Mitha

That's the first line of the novel. It's a fairly well known quote.

Fabby

Well, English is only my Third or Fourth language, depending on how you count, so I haven't even read all Shakespeare's works (YET!)

Faheem Mitha

The novel itself is also fairly well known.

Fabby

Ok, OK, I'm dumb...

Faheem Mitha

It also has a lot of fairly distinctively British preoccupations.

All that Golden Age stuff...

@Fabby Huh?

Fabby

11:38 PM

@FaheemMitha Well, I've never heard of "The Go-Between" until now...

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby There are lots of novels, as you know.

Fabby

@FaheemMitha Yeah when the rich oppressed the poor and there was no way in hell you could outgrow your class... *;-) :-)

Faheem Mitha

Just in English. And there are many other languages. So that's not suprising.

Fabby

It was meant as a joke: Well known novel I've never heard of it; Ergo, I'm dumb... ;-) :-)

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Quite. But there is a weird British nostalgia about it.

For example, Marathi supposedly has a very rich novelistic tradition. But few know about it. Outside Maharashtrians, I suppose.

@Fabby Ok.

Fabby

11:41 PM

@FaheemMitha Well... My First language is spoken by about 5.5 million people around the world, so you can imagine the ~~wold-famous~~ local literature I know about that 99.999% of the planet has never heard about!

:D ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Belgium?

Fabby

@FaheemMitha Trilingual country: Flemish, Walloon, German

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Hmm. So which one is your first language?

Fabby

Flemish and then: Dutch, French, English, German, Italian, Afrikaans, Russian, ...

Faheem Mitha

@Fabby Oh. What, all of those?

Fabby