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7:05 AM
@Fabby Nice money for wirepulling.
 
 
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8:28 AM
Hello everyone,
Is it OK to change your question from what is the problem ? to how to solve this problem ?
https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/468548/53092
As I answered his first question, now my answer is offtopic while it was OK before the edit.
 
8:47 AM
@Kiwy Not sure what you are asking. If he changed the question, you can either answer the new question, delete your answer, or just do nothing.
Of course, it's better if the answer actually the question, but if the poster is screwing with his question, that's not really your responsibility.
 
9:00 AM
Question has gone from why am i seing this error ? to how can I remove this error which are two complete different question. So Should I encourage the OP to rewind and ask a new question ? or should I just remove my answer because I can answer the first question not the second one
 
9:12 AM
@Kiwy Ideally, the poster should have asked a new question instead of changing the question. Especially if (as I understand to be the case) you had already answered the original question. You could ask him to change the question back to the original version, and ask a new question.
And if he won't do that (and it seems likely that he won't), probably the best thing to do would be to delete the answer.
In doubt you could ask the mods or other high rep users. I'm no expert on SE etiquette.
Judging from the comments he's left, he strikes me as one of those people who doesn't seem to understand that he is asking strangers for free help. His tone is generally inappropriate.
Well, he appears to be a new user, so perhaps he doesn't understand how things work.
 
I could invoke the mighty Terdon, but I already invoke him yesterday, one shouldn't cried wolf too much if he wants to keep some credits
 
@Kiwy terdon is very helpful, but I agree it's better not to bother him all the time.
I'd try to engage the poster first. If he doesn't respond sensibly, then you can decide how to proceed.
Just forgetting about the entire situation is also an option - it doesn't actually matter much.
 
It matters because this site is often in google results and is supposed to help people. If everybody edits its previous questions to ask the new one, we loose all the Q&A thing
 
9:47 AM
@Kiwy Well, whether it matters is relative. But do as you think best - see my suggestions abovef.
 
@Kiwy I haven't looked at the question or your answer, but personally, if I had answered a question and the question changed, I would annotate my answer with something like "Answer before the question changed:" (possibly detailing what the question used to look like), and then possibly also answer the new question in the same answer, further down.
It kinda depends on how much effort I had put in the original answer and how annoyed I was.
I might also just delete the answer and move on.
 
You can revert edits and suggest they ask a new question.
You can also just move on, which...
 
I'll move one sure, I just try to play by the rules, I've seen lots of complain recently about how rude our community was, I don't think we are and I don't know if those critics have always been there but it encourages me to be more thorough on how t handle some situation
Thanks for your answers @Kusalananda and @MichaelHomer
 
@MichaelHomer Reverting edits is certainly an option, but they could just roll the edit back again.
In general I try to avoid edits to other people's work that make substantial changes. But ymmv.
 
I have edited my answer and left a comment to the OP. it is now out of my scope
 
10:01 AM
@FaheemMitha Then you can flag it and the post can be locked.
 
@MichaelHomer I suppose that's an option, assuming the mod concurs.
@Kiwy Personally, I'd try to avoid overthinking on SE. That way lies burnout.
 
10:23 AM
@FaheemMitha I know what a burnout is because of some eperience of mine... I'm far far away from anything looking from far far away to a burnout
 
 
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2:05 PM
@FaheemMitha It's the cost of the digger, verifying the plans, adapting the plans, move other underground items out of the way or tunneling underneath them (gas pipe breaches anyone???) Etc.
@Kiwy I normally leave a comment below such a question before reverting the edit :
You've substantially changed the question, invalidating the answers already posted. Therefore it is better to [ask a new question](http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/ask) and leave this one as is *because we don't charge extra if you would ask an additional question and provide a link to this one if it provides additional context*... **;-)**
Then revert their edit.
repeat a maximum of 3 times, and only then invoke the power of the moderator.
0:-) ;-) 0:-)
 
@Fabby it also increases the cost of maintenance (while hopefully reducing the need for maintenance)
 
@StephenKitt It reduces the need for maintenance to near 0.
 
@Fabby “power of maintenance”?
 
In the sort run, above ground is less expensive. in the long run (10+ years, underground is less expensive)
@StephenKitt Sorry, been studying another language and then I get confused with the other ones.
(until equilibrium reasserts itself)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@Fabby ah right, yes, I’ve seen some maintenance on underground lines but not very often (but when it happens, you certainly notice, especially when it’s below your window at 2am)
 
2:15 PM
@StephenKitt :D :D :D
Doesn't happen around here unless Emergency power maintenance:
1. People don't want to work at that time
 
@Fabby exactly
 
2. people don't want noise at that time.
It works out for everyone... ;-)
 
in this case there was a substation failure and they realised a section of cabling on the backup link was bad and would cause the backup to fail too if they didn’t dig it up and fix it
so two huge trucks turned up, dug the road up in just a few minutes, and over the next few hours they fixed everything
but not many people got much sleep in the neighbourhood that night
 
Don't they have dark ducts where you live?
(that is: empty cable ducts, where they can just pull a line through)
Djeez! My English went down the hill really fast!
 
@Fabby not in that particular street, everything was full
it was a huge mess when they pulled fibre in the street
 
2:18 PM
Yeah... It happens.
 
incidentally, the area I live in now is mostly houses, with aerial power; all the HTA lines have been buried, but the BT lines are left up because the break-even point is very, very far out (I used to work for Enedis and saw the analyses)
 
 
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3:27 PM
This question was bumped to the front due to an edit. I was just about to answer it when I saw that I already had answered it. However, I can't for the life of me remember why I'm using [a]bc/ and not abc/ as the pattern. Anyone care to explain to me? :-) unix.stackexchange.com/a/456925/116858
Ah, I get it now. It's only needed if I want all the matching directories. Ha, I'm smart.
 
@Kusalananda you had already explained that in your answer ;-)
 
@Fabby short run? Yes, in Chicago, underground was the norm. I think is generally is in big cities. It's true here too, thousands of miles away from the United States. In NC they seemed to favor trees and possibly power lines. But even the buildings in NC aren't built to last.
 
(well, perhaps not the all aspect)
 
Actually, around here, they regularly dig up the pavements to install or repair new stuff. Not quite sure what they are doing. And they are really slow about it. Often it's not clear what they are doing. The prevailing theory is that they often dig stuff up just because they feel like this. Given that this is India, this is not as absurd a theory as it might seem.
Recently, there is talk of fiber. But nobody actually seems to have fiber. Maybe they install the fiber and then nobody uses it? <Shrug.>
@PrabhjotSingh I see that that Huffington Post is reporting that the Aadhaar database is compromised.I'm absolutely astonished that a database developed by the Indian government to store confidential data about hundreds of millions of people isn't absolutely secure. Who would have imagined it?
 
3:44 PM
@StephenKitt Not well enough for older-me to understand.
 
The UIDAI has responded with a mix of denials and abuse. Again, I'm astounded.
@Kusalananda It's always fun to read one's work and wonder - what the hell was I thinking?
That's happened to me a few times.
 
@StephenKitt Yes. Good addition. Thanks.
 
@Kusalananda you’re welcome!
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, less than 10 years.
 
@Fabby Hmm? What does that refer to?
 
3:59 PM
@FaheemMitha the Govmt here got around that problem by charging conttractors money per m² to dig:
now they do it rather fast....
2 hours ago, by Fabby
In the sort run, above ground is less expensive. in the long run (10+ years, underground is less expensive)
 
@Fabby Oh, well, you wrote "sort", when I think you meant "short".
@Fabby I don't understand how that would work. They charge the contractors?
 
Ah... Sorry!
@FaheemMitha Yeah, so instead of one contractor digging a hole, another coming in a week later and putting cables down and another coming back and filling up the hole, they now work together
Just 5m² is actually a hole and all the rest is closed.
 
@Fabby yeah basically they rent the street out when it needs to be dug up or occupied in any way
 
@StephenKitt Yup...
Works well and the price the people pay is just a litlle higher, but with a lot less inconvenience...
 
4:15 PM
@Fabby Still not sure I follow. You're saying they charge the contractors money for the area they dig up, so providing them with an incentive to not dig up more than necessary?
 
@FaheemMitha Yup.
and to close whatever they dug up ASAP.
 
@FaheemMitha anything which causes part of the public roadway (or sidewalk etc) to not be usable by the public needs to be pre-approved, and needs the section of public roadway to be rented by the occupier
so the longer it’s occupied (dug up or otherwise), the more expensive it is
 
@Kiwy Do you know how to do a rollback?
 
@Fabby click on the “rollback” link on the edit you want to roll back to
 
@StephenKitt I know, but I don't think Kiwy knows.
 
4:21 PM
@Fabby oh right sorry
 
(open tab in my browser that I'm only responding to now)
No offence taken, no apologies needed!
0:-)
 
4:46 PM
@StephenKitt I see. So they pay for the amount they dig up, as well as for how long they dig it up for? In that case, the term "rent" seems accurate, certainly.
 
@FaheemMitha not the amount they dig up, the time during which the street is occupied
 
Where does this system exist?
 
@FaheemMitha France
 
@StephenKitt Oh, but how is "street" defined?
 
(it might depend on the specific area in France, I’m not sure it’s country-wide)
 
4:48 PM
So if they dig up 10 feet and 100 feet, it's all the same?
 
Remember folks, there aren't sharks in hurricanes, no matter how many silly pictures on on teh Interwebs. Sharks only come in tornadoes.
 
They should try something like that here.
 
@FaheemMitha whenever you cause a public area to no longer be available to the public, you need to rent it (for your exclusive use), and the cost depends on the size of the area and the duration
@derobert along with cows and frogs
 
@StephenKitt Ok.
 
@StephenKitt moo
 
4:49 PM
@derobert How are things with Florence? Has she come a'knocking yet?
 
I hear it can rain cats & dogs, though.
 
@derobert and men
especially if you use an older version of man just after midnight
 
@StephenKitt Not any longer. As I understand it, that patch was reverted by Colin.
 
@FaheemMitha “older version”
 
4:51 PM
TeX SE has a post on addiction. Do we have something like that too?
@StephenKitt Ah, right. Pardon me.
 
@FaheemMitha no worries ;-)
 
@derobert Not in VA, then?
@derobert Cindy in the Frying Pan was freaking out a bit earlier. She's also in VA.
 
Nope. It continues to be dreary, drizzly weather... just like it has been for the last week or so...
 
But apparently it's going to give her a miss after all.
 
Might be a little worse in southern VA
 
4:53 PM
Now category 2? I thought it was 3 at least.
 
winds slowed down yesterday
 
Or 4, even.
@derobert Well, that's good news for the Carolinas. They must get tired of being hit by storms all the time.
 
Sort of. It got bigger in the process.
 
Oh, it spread out? Reading.
 
Its close enough to land that the eye is on radar now
radar.weather.gov/Conus/southeast_loop.php is where that comes from (and has a larger version)
 
4:58 PM
I wonder if UNC and Duke un-cancelled classes.
 
Doubt it. They're still in the affected area, I think.
 
Yes, it looks like the Triangle can expect plenty of rain, at least.
Kinda like a mini-monsoon. Except with different smells, probably.
 
Not sure what the rainfall rates are (in or mm per hour) are in a monsoon... Wikipedia didn't want to tell me.
But here for comparison is how much rain Wilmington NC has had so far this year:
So if they get 12+ inches in one day... that's a pretty significant amount of rain.
Hasn't hit Durham yet, though: w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KRDU.html
 
> Between 8.30am Tuesday and 8.30am Wednesday, the Santacruz weather station, representative of the suburbs and Mumbai, recorded 331.4mm rain, which is the highest 24-hour August rain in a decade. During the same time Colaba recorded 111mm rain. Before Tuesday, the highest 24-hour August rain for the decade was recorded on August 29, 2011, when the city received 232.6mm rainfall.
And compared to some places, the rainfall here isn't that high.
 
That's a lot of rain compared to here!
 
5:12 PM
@derobert That's why it's called the rainy season. We had crazy rain in September 2016. And I think this July it was also pretty bad one week. It just kept raining.
 
It's been crazy wet for us this year with a only 46" (1170mm) ...
(I don't know why different NWS forecast offices make their graphs slightly differently...)
 
@derobert some of them might have been given a maximum they’re not allowed to exceed ;-)
(like the coastal planning guidelines with the maximum sea-level)
 
Well, wouldn't want people to have to plan for reality, now would we?!
Much easier to ignore it.
 
@derobert exactly
especially if the deciders don’t live there ;-)
 
@StephenKitt Allowed?
 
5:24 PM
@FaheemMitha in the not too distant past, it “was decided” that the sea wouldn’t ever rise more than x inches off the East coast of the US, and planning permissions etc. should only consider that, even though it was already known that the sea rose by much more than x (with storm surges etc.)
it would fit in with that for NWS forecast offices not to be allowed to forecast or record rainfall above a certain amount
because who cares about actual measurements, right?
 
@StephenKitt Someone should have let the sea know. Or Poseidon. Or possibly Aquaman.
 
@FaheemMitha yeah, or read up about King Canute
 
@StephenKitt I guess that would fall into the category of fake rainfall.
 
@FaheemMitha or fake sunshine
 
Maybe one day the US will only get to have weather that's approved by the Republican Party.
 
5:30 PM
That's the podcast this reminded me of: 99percentinvisible.org/episode/managed-retreat
"After decades of failed attempts to stop the erosion, the ocean was getting dangerously close to the lighthouse"
> He wrote, “it is difficult but necessary to come to grips with the ultimate result of living with nature at the shoreline.”
 
5:41 PM
@JeffSchaller I was in NC at the time. But I never heard anything about a lighthouse being moved.
 
@FaheemMitha perhaps news of the one lighthouse on the one island, as tense as the disagreements sounded, didn't reach inland enough?
 
@JeffSchaller I've heard about the Cape Hatteras lighthouse. It's quite famous. I guess I just wasn't keeping up with the news.
 
 
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6:45 PM
@Fabby yes I know ;-)
 
(just checking as I saw your very polite comment)
also see my other comment that helped me a lot over on AU: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/46715476#46715476
 
I tend to be, specially with new OP
 
Yeah, me too, but what that one is doing, is misusing the system...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
7:13 PM
We don't charge extra for second questions? Was pretty sure we charged just as much as we did for the first question. ;-)
3
 
 
3 hours later…
10:36 PM
@derobert Some people are under the impression they only get one free question and have to pay for the next one...
(No! Really!)
 

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