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17:00
ah, I see.
It was considered 'too open' to kiss in the street. But it was not prohibited. People just were more shy.
It was considered good to be shy.
A couple decades ago, holding hands in the public over here was a no-no.
I'm shy in real life, but kind of open and outspoken on the internet.
@DamkerngT. oh. I didn't know.
@DamkerngT. here, holding hands was okay.
It's not like it was forbidden. It was more like something we were taught by our parents that we shouldn't do.
17:03
So I say "I didn't know" when in the exact place I hear some native speakers say "I had no idea".
maybe both are correct.
I'm sure I didn't know that is fine.
ah thanks.
I just heard it earlier today.
Sure! :-)
!!hello Ellbot
@DamkerngT. It was in the 1980s?
17:05
!!greet/Arrowfar
Welcome to ELL's chat room @Arrowfar! Happy chatting!
@DamkerngT. wow, nice! :)
@CowperKettle It always was like that. I think to many, it still is.
But we change, little by little.
!!greet/damkerng cowperkettle and snail
Welcome to ELL's chat room @damkerng cowperkettle and snail! Happy chatting!
17:06
Hehe!
@DamkerngT. Many Russians here view Thailand as a sex tourism spot
@CowperKettle Isn't that strange?
It's true, though, sadly.
I see nothing bad in the sex industry, as long as it is done voluntarily and paid properly
17:08
We have a very wide range of diversity.
@CowperKettle It's probably not always the case. Most likely not.
I think it's bad that prostitution is illegal here in Russia
It should be legal so that the workers get good conditions.
Is it funny?
I think many people think like me
Oh, I was just thinking of myself when I was in Frankfurt.
And there is a red light district? (0:
17:10
In a way, I've never been "in" Frankfurt, yet. :P
@CowperKettle They pointed it out to me, yes. :-)
> Prostitution in Germany is legal, as are all aspects of the sex industry, including brothels, advertisement, and job offers through HR companies.
hm
@CowperKettle Good conditions? I don't quite follow. So would you use one if it was legal?
maybe my culture is very different, so I was thinking of it as 'evil' :)
On one trip, a friend departed for his session on nude photo shooting. (Not his nude, BTW.) I asked him if I could tag along. He said, no, why would you want to do that? I said, but you do! He said, maybe next time. I said, bah!
@Arrowfar I mean, good payment, healthcare, and maybe some pension fund, and regular medical checks
17:14
I see
@DamkerngT. (0:
Anonymous
@Arrowfar I don't think people say either of those. Just couples would do.
Maybe it is 'evil' in the sense that there is a lack of real relationship. In that sense.
@snailplane Ah thanks snails!
In Russia, prostitution was made legal in about 1830, then again made illegal by the communists after 1917
This is a prostitute's certificate
From the early 20th century
17:18
Oh, a real certificate!
Yes, instead of a passport they were given such certificates
They were obliged to take medical examinations
Your passport was taken away for keeping and this "yellow card" was given instead.
So that you do not get people ill if you get ill.
Here's a medical card from 1889.
With doctor notes
"healthy. healthy. healthy"
Anonymous
Are the notes all legible to you?
Yes, sure
здорова = healthy
Anonymous
Doctors aren't supposed to have legible handwriting. It's some kind of rule.
17:21
zdorova = healthy (woman)
zdorov = healthy (man)
Anonymous
Ah, I see :-)
@snailplane Yes, I know (0:
Anonymous
@CowperKettle Maybe they hadn't come up with that rule yet back then.
@snailplane Yes, in old Russia kids had to spend hundreds of hours on calligraphy
My dad had to do that in the 1950s
and in the 19th century, calligraphy was even more widespread
In my dad's school, they did not allow pupils to use ballpoint pens
Anonymous
These days, you're lucky if kids write anything by hand at all :-)
17:24
For fear that the pupils would lose their calligraphic skills, they only allowed to use nibs
@snailplane I know (0:
I just got a compliment today for my handwriting.
@snailplane I write by hand all the time, I mean in exams and in my practice registers :-) Do you?
It was so good that he couldn't read it. :D
Anonymous
@CowperKettle In Japan, a phone is now an indispensable tool for writing. If you can't remember how to write a difficult Chinese character, just type it into your phone to jog your memory :-)
Anonymous
@Arrowfar I like writing.
17:25
@snailplane (0:
Poor Japanese
@snailplane Hah!
Anonymous
I believe handwriting your notes helps you remember better than typing.
Anonymous
Of course, writing by hand is slower, but that's a good thing as far as forming memories is concerned.
True.
Anonymous
I take a lot of "write-only" notes. I never refer to them, but just by writing them down, I remember them better.
17:27
In a language class in Japan: "Students, take out your phone. We're going to practice writing today."
Anonymous
I have a stack of used notebooks about a meter tall :-)
@snailplane That's astronomical!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. You know what I always liked? meteoric rise
Anonymous
Meteors aren't really known for rising.
Anonymous
So you say, well, meteors are known for their speed, right? But then why do we say meteoric rise more than meteoric fall, which we pretty much never say?
Anonymous
17:28
Rises and falls can both be fast, right?
Logically, it should be like that.
@snailplane I have two bags of printed-out sheets with poems
Anonymous
For some reason (or no reason at all?), rise took off and fall didn't.
@snailplane Same here. If I combined all the writing I have done with hand it would be a very tall pile. I have lost many notes and registers though, and discarded many of course.
17:32
Hey, I found one authentic meteoric flop! historichansard.net/hofreps/1977/19770310_reps_30_hor104
People say "notebook" in US usually, here we say "registers" but a notebook is a notebook I know. Notebook seems a bit slim though.
it depends on its size too.
Anonymous
Notebooks can be 300+ pages.
yeah that is big.
Anonymous
Some students carry around "5-subject" notebooks with dividers every 60 pages.
Anonymous
There are also 300+ page notebooks without dividers.
17:33
I was reading Tzarist Russia's Prostitution Code:
> 22. It is forbidden to accept visitors on Sundays before the end of the Mass service (in churches)
I buy registers mostly of 300+ pages. Sometimes with less pages too.
Anonymous
I don't think I'd know what someone meant if they referred to a notebook as a register here.
300 page notebook?
Never seen that
Anonymous
They're not uncommon here.
Could be a nice idea, but I never seen one
17:35
Such a notebook could hold an entire novel!
Anonymous
Smaller ones are popular too.
Anonymous
We used to have trapper keepers here. They were popular in the 80s and 90s.
Anonymous
Binders that people would carry around folders and notebooks in.
Notebooks are quite uncommon here. They are mainly used as a little pad here. For short notes etc. only.
With registers we get the hard cover so people like it.
!!wiki/trapper keeper
Anonymous
17:38
Ooh, that sounds nice. Even large notebooks here usually don't have hard covers.
Trapper Keeper is a brand of loose-leaf binder created by Mead. Popular with students in the United States, Canada and parts of Latin America from the 1970s to the 1990s, it featured sliding plastic rings (instead of standard snap-closed metal binder rings), folders, and pockets to keep schoolwork and papers, and a wrap around flap with a Velcro closure (originally a metal snap closure). Trapper Keepers usually had a theme, such as a cartoon, television show, or video game. Between 1988 and 1995, "Designer Series" Trapper Keepers featured abstract designs and later computer-generated images. The...
@snailplane Yeah that's a big plus :-)
Ohh... loose-leaf binder!
I miss that.
trapper keepers loosers weepers
Anonymous
This is the most popular kind: staples.ca/en/…
17:39
@snailplane Access Denied!
hellooo
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh no!
This is the first time I have heard of trapper keepers. Nice.
Hello!
Anonymous
17:39
@engfan Hi again, engfan :-)
:-)
Anonymous
I wonder if these are popular in Canada: images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/…
Yes access denied.
Anonymous
@snailplane Is it usually blank or grid on the pages in these notebooks over there?
17:41
Cool!
Anonymous
That was the "access denied" one. You can't see in the picture, but it's a 300-page one.
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. No, it's usually lined.
Anonymous
You can get blank or grid ones too.
@snailplane Oh! I like either grid or blank!
Anonymous
17:42
Most students have lined, though.
Maybe because I like to draw.
" He had me wait for 5min at his shop" , does his mean he made me wait for 5 min ?
Anonymous
For blank, you can usually find sketchbooks at art stores.
Anonymous
They tend to have nicer paper.
Anonymous
@engfan Yes
Anonymous
17:43
If you want an actual "notebook" and not a sketchbook, they do sell "unruled" (or unlined) notebooks as well.
@snailplane : thank you , I owe you guys so much :-)
Anonymous
I'm not sure how you distinguish an unruled notebook from a sketchbook, though.
Anonymous
Maybe it's the paper?
@snailplane Maybe by the paper, yes.
Maybe sketchbook has a good quality paper.
Anonymous
17:44
Sketchbooks can be really big, too.
Sketchbooks tend to be better at drawing ink on.
(Not the cheap ones over here, though.)
Anonymous
@engfan It's causative have. In this case, it means 'make'.
Whorehouse in Moscow, built in 1907. Still has the old figures kissing on its walls
Anonymous
17:45
It's called "causative" because he caused you to wait for five minutes.
Anonymous
Make is another causative verb.
@CowperKettle Oh, it looks like an assassin hotel in a movie!
@DamkerngT. What movie?
(John Wick, IIRC. Every guest in the hotel is an assassin.)
Ah, I see (0:
17:47
@CowperKettle It kind of looks like that Flatiron Building on Times square.
looks like the Gridiron Building
oops, Flatiron!
When I was a kid, my uncle told me of that building
I mean, the Flatiron
at 175 Fifth Avenue.
BTW, I hope notebooks and ink pens never die!
> What would the world be, once bereft
Of wet and of wildness? Let them be left,
O let them be left, wildness and wet;
Long live the weeds and the wilderness yet.
I use a ball point. I use the cheapest one and it is pretty good, even in exams.
In poems only "O" means "Oh"?
17:50
@snailplane : so can I use "had" in this sentence : " what on the earth made you do that" , instead of using "made" can I use "had" ?
Or is it like a little cry?
> What would the world be, once bereft
Of notebooks and ink pens? Let them be left,
O let them be left, notebooks and pens;
Long live all kinds of stationery yet.
@Arrowfar In the old days, it was pretty common.
nods I see.
It's from Inversnaid, an outstanding poem by Hopkins
17:53
@engfan Hmm... I think it's more typical that the subject of have, when used like this, is a person.
Anonymous
@engfan No, it doesn't quite work in that sentence.
@CowperKettle Hah you changed the original poem with "notebooks and pens" :)
@Arrowfar yep!
And without a proper rhyme, cause I'm tired
Anonymous
Yes, make and cause can have inanimate subjects, but with have the causation is volitional ("willing"), and this means the subject must be animate.
still hope to use an expensive marble fountain pen to sign a big big contract one day... :P -- (But maybe people won't sign contracts on paper anymore soon!)
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Anonymous
17:56
So although I said have means 'make' in that sentence, have doesn't always work as a substitute for causative make.
still hope to use a cheap ballpoint pen to write a beautiful, beautiful poem one day.. :P
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@CowperKettle Nice!
Heh
still hope to use the cheapest ballpoint pen to write in exams :P
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@snailplane : ok, can be used for living things only - correct?
17:57
It would be "a normative document". and "good manufacturing practices" without "the". — TRomano 21 mins ago
Anonymous
@engfan If you wanted to post a question to the main site about "What on earth made/had you do that", I would upvote it :-)
Anonymous
@engfan Basically yes.
@Arrowfar That's nice, too! :D
Thanks :D
;-)
Anonymous
17:58
As Damkerng explained.
Yay, me! :D
oh I wrote "a cheapest" I think it should be "the cheapest". "A cheap" is correct but "a cheapest" seems wrong. Hmm.
Hmm... I don't think it's really wrong.
It's not wrong at all, IMO.
Let's see...
I see.
> This is the reason why it suffices to consider bounded cost differences instead of total costs, when constructing a cheapest computation of the non-deterministic automaton A = (Q, X, 6, QF) from the computation of the subset automaton.
18:04
I was thinking "est" form makes it particular and hence "the". But I am not sure.
I see, Cowper asks mainly articles questions in chat :D
They can be quite complicated if we overthink it.
It's not quite common, I think.
> Whether in a Western democracy or an Iron Curtain country, every city has a best hotel, and the hotel has a best room — and there is usually someone occupying it.
nods
yeah "best" is the superlative.
> There is no such thing as a best story, or a best writer, or a best way of doing fiction.
good example.
Anonymous
> There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays,
And every single one of them is right!
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@snailplane great
Oh, this lays is quite something!
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Q: What are "tribal lays"?

vonjdThere is a famous poem from Kipling: In the Neolithic Age. There it says: "There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays, "And every single one of them is right!" My question What are "tribal lays"? Is "lays" something like "laws", in the sense of "the way you organize soci...

Anonymous
@Arrowfar Yes, superlatives are usually definite.
@DamkerngT. Yes I googled "tribal lays" and found that myself. :)
@snailplane I see, thank you.
18:15
@DamkerngT. there is a book called something like "The Lays of Rome"
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Tolkien's Middle Earth has a number of lays.
Lays of Ancient Rome is a collection of narrative poems, or lays, by Thomas Babington Macaulay. Four of these recount heroic episodes from early Roman history with strong dramatic and tragic themes, giving the collection its name. Macaulay also included two poems inspired by recent history: Ivry (1824) and The Armada (1832). == Overview == The Lays were composed by Macaulay in his thirties, during his spare time while he was the "legal member" of the Governor-General of India's Supreme Council from 1834 to 1838. He later wrote of them: The plan occurred to me in the jungle at the foot of...
Thanks, everyone! :-)
Anonymous
The Lays of Beleriand, published in 1985, is the third volume of Christopher Tolkien's 12-volume book series, The History of Middle-earth, in which he analyzes the unpublished manuscripts of his father J. R. R. Tolkien. The book contains the long "lays" or poems Tolkien wrote: these are The Lay of the Children of Húrin about the saga of Túrin Turambar, and The Lay of Leithian (also called Release from Bondage) about Beren and Lúthien. Although Tolkien abandoned them before their respective ends, they are both long enough to occupy many stanzas, each of which can last for over ten pages. The first...
@DamkerngT. there's a sci-fi movie shot recently, and the hero quotes from this book
Anonymous
18:15
The Lay of Aotrou and Itroun is a poem of 508 lines, written by J. R. R. Tolkien in 1930 and published in Welsh Review in December, 1945. Aotrou and Itroun are Breton words for "lord" and "lady". The poem is modelled on the genre of the "Breton lay" popular in Middle English literature of the 12th century, and it explores the conflict of heroic or chivalric values and Christianity, and their relation to the institution of marriage. == Sources == A major source for the poem has been identified as the Breton song 'Le Seigneur Nann et la Fee', which Tolkien probably knew through Wimberly's Folklore...
Oh, that just gave me an idea (a feature for Ellbot)!
Anonymous
That second one is another use by Tolkien of lay.
Too many bookmarks in a chat room seem to be unwieldy, but Ellbot might be of help!
Anonymous
But that one is not set in Middle Earth.
> Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the gate:
“To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers
And the temples of his gods,
I forgot what the movie that was
Where our hero kills the ancient AI that subjugated the Earth. A recently shot movie.
18:17
LOL
So in MS Word I use lower case to start a sentence and it gets upper cased automatically. Here I forget to use upper case to start a sentence sometimes, and sometimes just lazy.
@DamkerngT. did not you see that movie?
I don't think so. I can't recall any movie like that.
@DamkerngT. Oblivion
Oh! But it wasn't ancient in Oblivion.
But they sure cited some poems!
@DamkerngT. oh, sorry, I forgot the particulars! I'm not a robot, my memory is faulty
(0:
@CowperKettle This robot can't be relied on when it comes to memories either!
(0:
A good movie.
Some people seemed to hate it. I enjoyed it a lot, though. :-)
18:21
Tom Cruse's bad fame will wither with years, and the good movies will remain
He is not a sage, but a good actor
And he still has it in him!
Yes. I enjoyed it too. (0:
@snailplane So, um, can you please edit my message on the starboard? :D only if it is possible otherwise it is perfectly fine as it is.
Anonymous
@Arrowfar You want me to change 's' to 'S'?
No a to the.
Anonymous
18:23
Oh, okay.
Thanks a lot :D
Patty Smith sings Bob Dylan's song at the Nobel Committee ceremony
Wow
Awesome!
In Russia, many people did not understand why he got the prize, because music is not as translatable as books.
They didn't fill the audience in on the details in the news over there?
18:33
@DamkerngT. They did, but people do not like Bob Dylan, because without translation he sounds like some cranky old turntable record
And he is impossible to translate
Oh, I see!
So people are saying "What the hell? For some songs? Why not to Bon Jovi?" etc.
@CowperKettle But in music, rhythm and tone is copied quite frequently. I didn't watch the video yet though.
So maybe what I am saying is not relevant :)
8. Where do you keep the current magazines?

Where were the current magazines kept?
Where have the current magazines been kept?
Where are the current magazines being kept?
Where are the current magazines kept by you?
@Arrowfar But Dylan's music has no rememberable tunes. It is folk style (0:
18:36
I say D but Answer says C
@CowperKettle Ah I see.
@user62015 that's odd
Interesting, what could be wrong with "D"
As it is not in running
So using being is useless.
Anonymous
@engfan Thanks for posting :-)
I know question is odd but this is what I got and I have to answer it with the given options so I think D is better than C.
18:38
So do I
D looks better
> Where are the current magazines kept by you?
So you agree with me, right?
Anonymous
D is the most direct passive equivalent of the original.
Yes, right
Anonymous
However, D doesn't sound terribly natural.
I agree but as given options are there.
Thanks friends!!
18:40
@snailplane can we say "Where are the current magazines kept?"
Anonymous
I imagine they have some reason why they prefer being kept, but I don't know what that reason is.
Anonymous
@CowperKettle Sure, why not?
@snailplane I wonder why they did not include that option.
"being kept" sounds over-wrought
Anonymous
I'm sorry, I don't know why specifically they prefer C.
18:56
@DamkerngT. The point about paraphrasing is that it makes the candidate show that they have understood the text/graph and are able to present their understanding in their own language. I wouldn't worry about trying to reword an actual city though. But I would try and refer to it in different ways during the piece of writing (Branfield, the city, conurbation, place, hometown, there etc, etc)
@snailplane: Actually I should thank you for the advice and vote up:-):-):-)
@snailplane: Thank you so very much :)
Thank you all
@Araucaria That's something that makes a lot more sense!
(BTW, thank you!)
19:20
!!translate/無
zh-CN: 無
en: no
!!translate/海苔
ja: 海苔
en: Seaweed
!!translate/สำเร็จ! ดีใจจัง!
th: สำเร็จ!_ดีใจจัง!
en: Success! _ I'm so glad!
19:23
!!translate/jak pies je to nie szczeka
pl: jak pies je to nie szczeka
en: as the dog eats it does not bark
!!translate/ Ты никто и звать тебя никак
ru: Ты никто и звать тебя никак
en: You're no one to call you in any way
!!translate/Der Mensch definiert sich durch seine Taten
de: Der Mensch definiert sich durch seine Taten
en: Man is defined by his deeds
19:25
!!translate/如是我聞
zh-CN: 如是我聞
en: If I smell
Hmm... I wonder if that's right. It doesn't sound right.
!!translate/读书好 好读书 读好书
zh-CN: 读书好 好读书 读好书
en: Read a good book to read a good book
!!translate/questions de société
fr: questions de société
en: Social issues
19:28
!!translate/ราตรีสวัสดิ์ ทุกคน
th: ราตรีสวัสดิ์ ทุกคน
en: good night everybody
19:41
Just look at how decent a person I am.
Just look how decent a person I am.

Should the preposition be there.
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Q: Is "I have much money." correct? If not, what is a one word synonym for "much" here?

sadpwnerThe only synonyms I can think of are high and good, but they seem incorrect. PS: I am trying to avoid "a lot of".

I didn't notice the OP requires exactly one-word synonym for "mush".
I was thinking to "I am a millionaire, billionaire, ..... ."
:-)
!!translate/privet
ru: privet
en: privet
Anonymous
@engfan Asking good questions on the main site makes it a better place :-)
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Anonymous
The other day you seemed afraid to post a question because it might get rejected. I want you to feel welcome on this site.
Anonymous
Sometimes people do close questions so that they can be improved a bit, but when that happens we'd like to try to edit them and get them reopened.
Anonymous
19:46
And occasionally people can be a bit overzealous and close questions that are already appropriate for the site. The site isn't perfect, but in cases like that, we can get the questions reopened.
Anonymous
But the site can't function without people asking good questions, so I hope you'll continue to ask good questions in the future :-)
Anonymous
So if there is a problem, feel free to ping me in chat, and we'll try to work it out.
Word of the Day: de minimis
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Nice. Starred!
> too trivial or minor to merit consideration, especially in law.
> "de minimis fringe benefit rules"
Editing in quotes suck.
I wish our chat handled the Markdown syntax in multi-line messages too.
19:58
!!say good night
yeah.
Ahh... it doesn't know say!
oh heh!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Please upvote this proposal, then:
Anonymous
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Q: Markdown in Chat fails for Multi-Line Messages, a Reprise

user208574So, we are all aware of this post, which essentially says that messages with multiple lines are considered to be "pasted" and therefore have no markdown processing run on them. All well and good, until it's actually useful to have. I'd respectfully like to revisit this topic now, almost six yea...

Upvoted!
Anonymous
19:59
It's really more of a bug than a feature, and it would be nice if they fixed it.

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