Language Overflow

Anonymous

18:00

@CopperKettle The use we've been talking about is most like the partitive use described on page 290.

Hanaa

I'll:/ail/, you'll:/jʊl/, he'll:/hil/, she'll:/ʃil/, it,ll:/???/, we'll:/wil/, they'll:/???/

CopperKettle

@snailboat Yes, but there the partitive use is described for the, not for a.

Anonymous

Well, that's why I used the word like :-)

Anonymous

See also the note on page 1240

CopperKettle

@snailboat Oh, how on Earth could I have overlooked page 1240! (0:

Anonymous

18:04

I dunno, I mean, it's one of the best pages, right? A classic.

CopperKettle

@snailboat "Reporters hounded an embarrassed Ben Miles over his TV gaffe.."

wow.

How did you discover that?! (0:

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@CopperKettle You forgot rule #1: That's @Snail.

CopperKettle

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yeah. (0:

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

And she may wish to summon any info she wants.

CopperKettle

Verily it is so.

Nihilist_Frost

18:06

@Hanaa /ɑl, jʊl, hɪl, ʃɪl, ???, wɪl, ???/

that's for me

Hanaa

Yes@Nihilist_Frost

CopperKettle

Thank you, @snailboat - I should read the whole section now to know what it talks about. Maybe therein hides the answer to "as a free Europe crumbles".

Hanaa

I did my effort

CopperKettle

1

Q: 150$ lacks in my wage

The employer did not transfer all my wage this month because he miscounted something. Can I say: 150$ lacks in my wage. or I am missing 150$ of my wage.

word-usage

Could we say "My payment is $150 short", I wonder.

Damkerng T.

I just watched that movie last weekend! I think I missed that line (a free Europe).

CopperKettle

18:12

Oh! And did you like the movie?

Damkerng T.

I'll admit that I cried.

Which is not very often.

At all.

CopperKettle

I should've watched it past half-mark then..

Nihilist_Frost

@CopperKettle The OP put the dollar sign in the wrong place

probably because his mother tongue deals with currency symbols differently.

Hanaa

Why did u cry?

Damkerng T.

I think they had some moments I think I have had myself too.

Hanaa

18:14

?

Nihilist_Frost

What movie?

CopperKettle

It if brings people to tears, it must be a good movie.

Damkerng T.

It's in the movie, and I don't wanna spoil it. :-)

The Imitation Game.

Nihilist_Frost

??????????????????????

oh

Hanaa

Waw

CopperKettle

18:17

I've also found some movies emotional, like "Awakenings"

Hanaa

The title is interesting

CopperKettle

@Hanaa It's a great movie.

Damkerng T.

Oh, that one is really good, too! Yes, I think great deserves it.

CopperKettle

It's based on a true story, by Oliver Sacks

Hanaa

Is it an emotional, mental awakening or financial one?

CopperKettle

18:19

@Hanaa It's how an investigational use of the then-new drug L-Dopa brought dozens of people from catatonia into an alive state. From decades of catatonia, to that matter.

Hanaa

they were to die?

Damkerng T.

They were locked inside their own minds.

CopperKettle

@Hanaa I will not spoil the scenario. You should watch it.

Hanaa

oh!

I like summaries

Damkerng T.

I think that's one way to describe "an alive state".

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

18:21

@Hanaa OK. The movie begins. Then it ends.

Hanaa

I think it is imaginary

hhhh@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

funny

CopperKettle

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Hey, I object. "The movie begins. Popcorn crunches. Then both end."

Parth Kohli

i ~~think it~~ is imaginary

Damkerng T.

Aww, snailboat just left. I wonder if CGEL mentions anything similar to Quick et al.

Hanaa

If it is imaginary, i can't watch it

Damkerng T.

18:23

(But that's for me to discover. :D)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@CopperKettle I object. The popcorn never ends with the movie.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle That's how I would say it too.

CopperKettle

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Objection sustained.

Hanaa

i feel i am in the Parliment

^_^

CopperKettle

(0:

Damkerng T.

18:25

"Overruled!" a judge acclaimed! :D

Hanaa

Ok do not tell me the summary

CopperKettle

There's a great poem about movies by Theodore Roethke, "Double Feature", written in 1948

Damkerng T.

An epic of the eyes!

Oh, that's another poem. :P

Hanaa

@CopperKettle please could you tell me the summary?

CopperKettle

@Hanaa of what?

Hanaa

18:28

of the story

CopperKettle

@Hanaa of the movie "Awakenings"? No, I'm too tired. (0: But it's a great movie, and Robin Williams is an actor I love.

Hanaa

Ok it s fine hhh

Damkerng T.

I miss him.

Hanaa

Actors are paid very high salaries

I feel jalous

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. I miss him too. I still listen to a couple his songs while jogging. From "Alladin".

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

18:30

@DamkerngT. Who>

Damkerng T.

@Hanaa Because each of us pays a few cents every time we watch their movies.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Robin Williams

RIP

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Ahh. Yeah. :/

Hanaa

I see

You estimate movies so much

CopperKettle

I heard he had a terminal disease, and this led to the suicide.

Hanaa

oh );

Damkerng T.

18:32

@Hanaa It's an art form. I like it. No, I love it! :D

@CopperKettle nods

CopperKettle

@Hanaa Some movies are great.

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle Actually, it was almost like the movie.

Hanaa

Depending on the materials they use for acting

The materials are expensive

The cameras and clothes as well as the make up; if they are of high quality, the movie will be great

Damkerng T.

Some like actors; some like the visual; some like the effects. Some like the dialogues; some like the dramas. I simply like the stories.

CopperKettle

@Hanaa You mean production values, in short

Hanaa

18:36

The dialogues? yes it s interesting

CopperKettle

production values

Noun: production values

plural of production value
production values
1966, Ernest Callenbach, "Reviews: Short Films," Film Quarterly, vol. 19, no. 4, p. 65,
2004, Stacy Thompson, "Punk Cinema," Cinema Journal, vol. 43, no. 2, p. 51,

Hanaa

Yes the production values

CopperKettle

Some good movies are shot on the cheap.

Hanaa

For me, i like stories of successful people

CopperKettle

I like The Big Lebowski. (0:

Damkerng T.

18:40

Oh, I missed that one. :D

CopperKettle

I should watch it someday in English. The Russian translation was so brilliant I'm afraid to spoil the impression. Some phrases have entered the idiomatic use here.

Damkerng T.

Oh! That's cool!

I think a lot of idioms in English came from movies, too.

CopperKettle

Like "the carpet was cool, it imparted the style to the whole interior" (rudely translated)

I even don't know the English original (0:

Some genius translated it.

Damkerng T.

I guess it's this: That rug really tied the room together

(Just searched for it)

Kinda funny, when I visualize it!

Hanaa

oh

CopperKettle

18:44

@DamkerngT. Nice (0:

Hanaa

Is there a real remedy of catatonics?

He found it in the movie, but how about reality?

Damkerng T.

I don't know. I'm not even sure if the movie was based on a true story, but I remember vaguely that it was.

CopperKettle

@Hanaa Catatonia is a syndrome, arising from a variety of causes, hence no single remedy for it but a range of remedies.

Hanaa

The majority of causes are in the brain

CopperKettle

@Hanaa The causes affect the brain. It could be an auto-immune reaction, or schizophrenia, or whatever.

Hanaa

18:46

i mean when the center of movement in the brain is dammaged

CopperKettle

My 100-point guerdon has worked - a whole big megillah of an answer:

0

A: Is "would + present tense" bad grammar?

One way of tackling this problem is to comply with the rules of thumb that are presented in many grammars, stating that we have three (or four) conditional constructions: the (zero,) first, second, and third conditionals. Cambridge Grammar of English says: The most commonly described condit...

@Hanaa Yes, in the movie it was the dopaminergic neurons that were affected, so L-Dopa worked.

Hanaa

Oh

May ALLAH protect us from catatonic disease

CopperKettle

Substantia nigra

The substantia nigra is a brain structure located in the mesencephalon (midbrain) that plays an important role in reward, addiction, and movement. Substantia nigra is Latin for "black substance", reflecting the fact that parts of the substantia nigra appear darker than neighboring areas due to high levels of neuromelanin in dopaminergic neurons. It was discovered in 1784 by Félix Vicq-d'Azyr, and Samuel Thomas von Sömmerring alluded to this structure in 1791. Parkinson's disease is characterized by the death of dopaminergic neurons in the substantia nigra pars compacta. Although the substantia...

Damkerng T.

The question seems to mix several cases of would together.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@ColleenV - I'd be afraid that a "use all your votes" day would encourage more blind voting, not less of it. Besides, there are already badges issued for casting 30 or 40 votes in a day, so SE already a built-in incentives, I guess. That said, I've never earned either of those badges – call me a slacker :^) — J.R. ♦ 7 mins ago

CopperKettle

18:51

Yes. But it seemed interesting to me.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

SLACKER!

Damkerng T.

@CopperKettle would can always be curious! :-)

CopperKettle

@DamkerngT. I should think so!

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I earned a couple, I guess.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@CopperKettle You can only gain one of them badges.

CopperKettle

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I remember gaining one recently for voting my daily fill.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

18:54

@CopperKettle Only recently? Noob!

CopperKettle

(0:

Hanaa

Oh! Blind voting?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa What about it?

Damkerng T.

IMHO, I wish the knowledgeable users would lower their bars and vote more often, and at the same time the learners would vote questions more often, and would raise their bars and be more careful when they vote answers. — Damkerng T. 11 secs ago

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I pitched in with my thought.

One problem on ELL is, I think, most answers aren't quite perfect.

Hanaa

Yes to be careful, to read carefully

Damkerng T.

19:00

And this may make many of the knowledgeable users decide not to vote.

Hanaa

@CopperKettle, the drugs of catatonia, are for psychological causes

Damkerng T.

(I think StoneyB used to comment stuff like +0.9, +0.75, and so on.)

Hanaa

like anxiety and depression

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

CopperKettle

@Hanaa Catatonia is a syndrome, so I guess there's a lot of drugs for it. (0:

Damkerng T.

19:02

Oh, and HNQ is another cause of the problem.

Hanaa

Treatments
Benzodiazepines and electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) are the main treatments for catatonic symptoms in depression. Increasingly, N-methyl-D-aspartic acid (NMDA) antagonists, certain atypical antipsychotics, and repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation (rTMS) are being used to treat catatonia as well.

Benzodiazepine
Benzodiazepines is a psychoactive drug that enhances the effect of the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), and is effective in quickly relieving catatonic symptoms in most patients, including anxiety, muscles spasms, agitation, and insomnia.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I love this @Dam. Users are actually chipping in the meta discussion,

Hanaa

But what i know well, that patients get addicted to drugs that are related to neurological and psychological diseases@CopperKettle

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa Not all of them.

CopperKettle

@Hanaa I don't know. Benzodiazepines are addictive, I know. But there are some other drugs.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:05

The metamphitamine group usually causes this.

CopperKettle

etamine

Hanaa

I see

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@CopperKettle Hmm.

I'm distracted.

Watching TV,

reading CGEL,

writing homework,

Damkerng T.

Hey, a new hat!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. ?

Damkerng T.

19:07

and wearing a new hat. :P

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. What's its name?

Damkerng T.

I just saw your new hat, MAR.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. ? × 8

Damkerng T.

You haven't changed your hat?

Hanaa

A home work in what module?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:08

@DamkerngT. I have. But I earned this hat a while ago.

Damkerng T.

Oh, I see. It's just new to me. :D

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Thalia.

Hanaa

congrats @DamkerngT.

@CopperKettle

Damkerng T.

Ah, it's not my hat; it's Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.'s.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Oh hell, you meant I got a new hat?

I thought the opposite.

Quick @Dam, go reopen a good question. :)

Hanaa

19:14

What s a dynamic language, and class-oriented world?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa Where did you see the terms?

Damkerng T.

Link, please!

Hanaa

1

Q: it's an attempt to... but tweak... , to fit -- I have a problem comprehending that

Source: Source: You Don't Know JS: this & Object Prototypes by Kyle Simpson (2014) Example: This mechanism is often called "prototypal inheritance" (we'll explore the code in detail shortly), which is commonly said to be the dynamic-language version of "classical inheritance". It's an attem...

comprehension

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa Source: Source: Source: Source: Source:  . . .

Hanaa

oook @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Source: You Don't Know JS: this & Object Prototypes by Kyle Simpson (2014)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:18

@Hanaa It's programming jargon.

Hanaa

Ah ok

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

"Class-oriented world" prolly means to indicate that Java has many classes.

. . . and classes make it possible to write code in Java.

Hanaa

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I really have no basics in programming

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa Me neither.

Hanaa

I like human sciences

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:20

I only know some TeX basics, which many consider as document markup thingy rather than a programming language.

Hanaa

not artificial ones

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I like other molecules.

I also like Thai robots.

And all things Snail vehicle.

And Cu products.

Hanaa

I like the products and respect them

What i meant is that i'm zero in programming

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

So am I.

You should ask @Dam what a dynamic programming language means.

Damkerng T.

It's a loose concept.

Hanaa

19:25

I m interested in buying computer programs that are ready to use

Damkerng T.

Roughly, people use it to mean "not static".

Hanaa

rather than to understand the language

Damkerng T.

Some people say any scripting languages are dynamic.

Hanaa

yes

Damkerng T.

Some people say it has to be functional.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:26

@DamkerngT. :o Diseases again!

Damkerng T.

Some say it must have "eval".

Some say it has to be able to modify itself.

Some say other things.

To buy a computer program, better focus on what it can do for you, the support, and so on.

Hanaa

It s interesting @DamkerngT., but we are not the suitable audience about programming

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Dma you should totally install this userscript when you finally opened a single tab of FF in a single window.

Hanaa

Maybe @snailboat , and @CopperKettle understand u

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Many of what it contains are now features of SE, except the 'timeline' thingy.

Damkerng T.

19:29

I'm sorry! I got carried away a little. :-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa He was answering your question.

And it's worth installing it.

Hanaa

Yes thank you ^_^

Installing what?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

That userscript.

Hanaa

I do not even know what it is

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It's a userscript. )

CopperKettle

19:30

nerds.. (0:

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Ahh dammit. That's what happens when I attempt at an smiley.

Kettles.

Hanaa

What s a user script?

nerds?

CopperKettle

@Hanaa It's hard to explain. It's a kind of addon to your browser that expands its functions. This add-on is coded in a high-level language.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa A script written in Javascript that runs on your computer as a complement to the browser and it changes what happens in a site for you.

Hanaa

to google?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:33

Any site that the script mentions.

Hanaa

I use only google

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It's client-side, meaning it runs on your computer and not the other site that'd be server.

@Hanaa You're currently using Stack Exchange. :)

CopperKettle

Yes, a nice description.

Damkerng T.

Punctuation marks are ants at the syntactical picnic. — TRomano 6 hours ago

Hanaa

yes

Damkerng T.

19:34

Quote of the Day^

CopperKettle

@Hanaa The browser is the program you use to surf the web.

Damkerng T.

:-)

CopperKettle

A nice sentence! (0:

Hanaa

I use google chrome

CopperKettle

@Hanaa There are a lot of add-ons available for Chrome.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

19:35

@DamkerngT. Yeah I saw it. We should ask @Stoney for a Latin version.

@Hanaa So do I. Go to the store, search for "tampermonkey".

Hanaa

what does it do this monkey?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It allows userscripts to run on your computer.

Hanaa

Thank u @CopperKettle

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Tampermonkey is another add-on for Chrome.

Hanaa

Does it contain new functions?

CopperKettle

19:38

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I've installed it, and what scripts would you recommend?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@CopperKettle Go to StackApps.com. and install Pro forma comments, which I think is the highest-voted post.

It's teh best uzerscript in teh worldz!

CopperKettle

nods

302

Q: AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE

No more re-typing the same comments over and over! This script adds a little 'auto' link next to all comments boxes. When you click the link, you see a popup with 6 configurable auto-comments (canned responses), which you can easily click to insert. This script was inspired by answers to thi...

script comments

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I currently have some scripts installed, and two of them running.

@CopperKettle Yeah that.

Hanaa

It is related to comments then?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa Yeah.

@Copper — Then if you don't care about chat design, but hate opening a billion chat tabs, install Chatception™. If you want to get a nerdy set of numbers in chat you could use, install "SE chat modifications". If you want to get the very useful "timeline" link under each post on main, install "SE modifications". And last but not the least, you should totally give Porkchat™ a try!

@Hanaa It's a template of comments you could use in order not to post the comment with the same meaning 1000 times when you're an active user on the main site.

Hanaa

19:44

yes

Great!

And it is clear

and good for users who install a lot of programs

indeed, i do not...

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It's your choice.

Hanaa

All i need is word office and acobat reader

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

If you're not reviewing or moderating or commenting or engaging in meta activity frequently, you don't need them really @Hanaa.

Hanaa

and other audio, and video programs

I participate and comment here only

in the stack exchange

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. what do you study?what's your speciality?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa I'm a bragging specialist.

I have no other skills.

Hanaa

19:51

funny

I thaught that you comment about industrial products or technical subjects

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

That doesn't mean I'm a specialist at any of those.

Just interested.

Hanaa

yes

great

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I'm just 16! I have some way to go.

Or 17?

I'm about to get 17 soon.

Hanaa

you are smart any way

I have to go

Good night!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Nighty night!

Hanaa

19:56

What s that?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It's just a friendlier version of the boring 'good night!'.

Hanaa

is there a morning night?

Ok nighty night

Nihilist_Frost

@Hanaa nope, doesn't even semantically make sense

Damkerng T.

20:15

Hey, the app paid off!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. +1000 for the hat.

You must keep it until WB ends.

Damkerng T.

:-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

SMILEY DETECTED

Damkerng T.

LOL

Nihilist_Frost

I found that the -gon suffix is cognate with "knee".

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

20:23

O_O

Nihilist_Frost

Adding to Wiktionary

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I think I've heard that before though.

Prolly in a book that explained that words of the same root might be very different today.

Damkerng T.

20:53

A follow-up on Is “would + present tense” bad grammar?:

> "I would appreciate it if you would send" 43
"I would appreciate it if you sent" 14
"I would appreciate it if you send" 14
"I would appreciate if you send" 23 (most are perhaps non-native speakers)
"I would appreciate if you sent" 3
"I would appreciate it if you will send" 1

> (# of results in Google Books)

> "I would appreciate if you would send" 12

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. "I would appreciate it if you will send"?

Damkerng T.

1 result, apparently a native speaker.

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