Language Overflow

Damkerng T.

2:00 PM

I noticed that he paused a little, right before have.

Anonymous

Yeah.

Anonymous

So it could be a dysfluency.

Anonymous

But these TV shows don't leave many dysfluencies in after editing.

Damkerng T.

Perhaps the actor realized that he said something wrong.

Anonymous

I wasn't sure what to make of it, so I wanted to post it in chat :-)

Damkerng T.

2:02 PM

It's really interesting!

(The color of the keys on my keyboard input on iPad makes me unsure whether I have the shift key on or not!)

Anonymous

I think the if we hadn't have left sort of thing is considered non-standard, but I think it might be too frequent to be considered a speech error. I don't know.

Anonymous

2

Q: "hadn't have killed" vs "hadn't killed"

Can someone help? "Dave killed Peter." Dave asked Susan, "why was Peter here?" Susan said, "Maybe he would have told you if you hadn't have killed him." Would there have been any difference if she had said "Maybe he would have told you if you hadn't killed him"? According to my understanding...

Anonymous

I found a question with the extra have!

Anonymous

By the way, in both protasis and apodosis is probably an example of one of those "bare coordination" thingies Araucaria wrote about.

Anonymous

I think the extra have is non-standard, at any rate.

Anonymous

2:13 PM

Is it a colloquial American English thing?

Anonymous

14 mins ago, by snailboat

So it must have been double modal marking (would in both protasis and apodosis) and would becoming had!

Anonymous

I'm not sure why I wrote 'must' here!

Anonymous

That seems far too certain.

Anonymous

Dumb 2015 snailboat.

Anonymous

Hopefully 2016 snailboat will be smarter :-)

Damkerng T.

2:19 PM

@snailboat I doubt that.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Oh, you think it's more widespread?

Damkerng T.

By the way I just learned that I can't use android app to up-vote ELL questions when I hold my phone vertically!

Ah, I thought it's not common.

Anonymous

Well, it's certainly not common in what we'd call Standard English.

Anonymous

I think from a Standard English point of view, it's ungrammatical.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Oh no!

Damkerng T.

2:22 PM

But I can work around that easily by just holding my phone horizontally.

Anonymous

Yay!

Damkerng T.

Maybe it's my phone, maybe my thumb is too big. I don't know.

After my upgrade I can see one interesting thing. The iPad can understand my speech almost perfectly right at the first time. The problem is it will fix everything after I finish my line. And things can go wrong in every possibly weird way!

Parth Kohli

Hello.

Damkerng T.

(in 9.2, I can see what I say almost instantly.)

Anonymous

Oh, I see! Maulik asked the a dead Michael Jackson question before, and I answered it! I forgot. I guess my answer wasn't good enough, though.

Damkerng T.

2:26 PM

Hello!

Parth Kohli

Quick query: what do they call it when one thinks of their position (specifically their job) too highly?

There's a specific phrase which I'm not able to recall.

Anonymous

TRomano answered a question which is a duplicate of Maulik's old question.

Anonymous

TRomano's answer seems good, too.

Parth Kohli

Often in context of putting others down/exploiting them.

Damkerng T.

Hmm... I can't think of anything else at the moment.

How about "swell"?

Parth Kohli

2:28 PM

Oh, it's not a word.

Damkerng T.

It's rather old-fashioned.

Parth Kohli

It's a phrase.

I can't even call that a phrase.

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I remember that your answer is good enough.

Parth Kohli

I can't think right now.

I was diagnosed with chickenpox today.

Damkerng T.

Aww

Anonymous

2:32 PM

Oh no! Are you an adult?

Parth Kohli

I'm 16.

Damkerng T.

If you are a teenager, it will pass soon enough.

Anonymous

I hope you feel better soon!

Damkerng T.

Hey, I got it at around the same age!

Parth Kohli

Thanks, guys.

Anonymous

2:33 PM

I got it when I was seven, I think.

Damkerng T.

The younger the better. :D

Parth Kohli

Yes, that's a general rule of thumb for diseases like this, I guess.

Damkerng T.

It was uncomfortable like hell, the way I remember it.

But it passed. :D

Parth Kohli

It is, it is. :(

Which is why I can't think at the moment.

I've been told not to scratch it.

Which makes sense.

Damkerng T.

That's very good advice!

Parth Kohli

2:34 PM

But you can't get rid of this itching with logic.

Damkerng T.

Find something you like and try to concentrate on it.

Parth Kohli

I've still refrained so far.

Like I am right now? :)

Damkerng T.

(I used some anime. :-)

Parth Kohli

The calamine lotion didn't quite work as told.

Damkerng T.

nods -- But perhaps the best thing you have.

Parth Kohli

2:37 PM

OK, the phrase was something like getting to one's head

Damkerng T.

Oh! That didn't cross my mind, but I understand you now.

Parth Kohli

Oh, so what is the thing exactly?

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure, but I have an expression for it in my first language.

Anonymous

Oh, you must mean go rather than get!

Parth Kohli

Thanks.

Damkerng T.

2:39 PM

~ "make someone conceited"

Anonymous

I wasn't able to guess until you said that.

Parth Kohli

Yeah, I guess that's the general meaning.

Araucaria

@snailboat Here's a bit from my old master's dissertation. It's reasonably common in standard Englishes (both American and RP) but restricted nearly entirely to spoken English.

3.3 The had have conditional
Fillmore (1990: 139), Dancygier & Sweetser (2005: 63-65) and Comrie (1986: 94) amongst others note a conditional which resembles a type 3. Not recognised in formal written SSBE, this conditional seems to have a further perfective auxiliary in the protasis as in (15).
(15) If he’d’ve opened it, we’d’ve died.
(Fillmore 1990: 153)
Whilst Fillmore thinks this is a particularly American construction, it has been noted in British varieties ((Dancygier & Sweetser 2005: 64), Comrie (1986: 94)), and I am certainly very familiar with it amongst so-called RP speakers. Ther…

Anonymous

@Araucaria Oh, thank you for the quote!

Parth Kohli

Thank you.

I'm not able to think clearly at the moment.

Araucaria

2:41 PM

@snailboat Your welcome :)

Parth Kohli

How am I supposed to sleep?

Anonymous

What is "type 3"?

Anonymous

@ParthKohli Dunno. I'm in one of those "can't think clearly / how am I supposed to sleep?" states myself :-)

Araucaria

@snailboat A past time reference so-called remote conditional.

Anonymous

For now, I'm typing random messages into chat.

Parth Kohli

2:43 PM

I've said this before, but you guys are friendlier than the ones at ELU.

Araucaria

It's just a term I used to bridge different terminological differences. It doesn't exist outside of that piece.

Anonymous

@Araucaria So you would say it is standard.

Araucaria

It appears to be, to the extent that there are enough attested examples from standard speakers. But no-one uses it in writing.

Anonymous

:26190087 Ah, let's try to stay friendly here, too, shall we? :-)

Anonymous

I haven't always been as friendly as I should.

Anonymous

2:45 PM

But I'm trying to be friendly right now.

Parth Kohli

@snailboat Hey, I was just testing my newly-discovered phrase. Haha.

Anonymous

Of course, if I'm unfriendly, that's not really an indicator of knowledge . . . ;-)

Anonymous

Just that I need to stop being so grumpy.

Araucaria

0

A: Is 'had have + past participle' a correct grammatical form?

I don't know what tense is had have + past participle' As what I know, it should be 'Had + past participle of the verb' I hope it helps.

Anonymous

@Araucaria Do you think the homophony between the reduced forms of would and had is relevant at all? I would've thought "If he'd've opened it, we'd've died" would be reduced from "If he would have opened it, we would have died".

Anonymous

2:51 PM

When I hear someone say it with had I get a little confused, but when I hear it contracted it sounds fine to me. I always identified it with would.

Damkerng T.

I wonder how widespread it is and if it always is "had" (which makes it sound like it's from "would").

Parth Kohli

The last time I talked to Damkerng, there was some kinda martial law in Thailand.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I think it's a confusion that is caused by contraction.

Oh, maybe it was almost two years ago, perhaps?

Parth Kohli

Hmm, yeah, I just looked it up on Wiki and it's been a while.

> At 3 am, on May 20, 2014, following seven months of civil and political unrest, Army Commander-in-Chief Gen.Prayuth Chan-ocha, declared martial law nationwide.

Damkerng T.

nods -- That sounds about right.

Araucaria

2:55 PM

@snailboat Well that's the thing. American writers seemed to be divided when I last looked. My experience is that RP speakers nearly all strongly feel it's a had and US speakers are far more likely to think it's a would - although some still think it's had.

The interesting thing in that other question is that it uses a negative - so we see the full auxiliary there, which in the case of that particular example is a hadn't, not a wouldn't. I wonder if speakers who feel it's a would are more likely to view it as non-standard?

Anonymous

@Araucaria Yeah, the example I quoted earlier this morning uses a negative, too:

Anonymous

59 mins ago, by snailboat

> Felicity says that she's lost herself in our relationship, which means that she doesn't know who she is, and that if we hadn't have left Star City when we did, she would have been around to help Ray.

Damkerng T.

I think it wouldn't be obvious if it's not in the negative.

Anonymous

It's from a TV show, spoken by an Canadian actor.

Anonymous

If it's reduced most of the time such that it's ambiguous whether it's would or had, it would make sense if different speakers acquired it different ways.

Araucaria

2:57 PM

@snailboat Which show btw? In case I ever want to refer to it maybe ...

@snailboat Agreed ...

Anonymous

@Araucaria This is Arrow, season four, episode six, and the quote starts at 23 minutes, 22 seconds in.

Anonymous

I wrote it down :-)

Damkerng T.

Wow, that's very precise!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Well, I wanted to be able to grab the recording later! :-)

Anonymous

@Araucaria I forgot you'd studied conditionals so closely! I think I have a vague memory of learning that from a discussion between you and StoneyB a while back.

Araucaria

3:01 PM

@snailboat Wow, that great. Thanks! :)

@snailboat I still am. That's what I'm doing my PhD thesis on ...

Anonymous

A-ha!

Jim Reynolds

o/

Araucaria

\o

Anonymous

Hi, Jim! We were just discussing grumpiness, me being dumb, and also conditionals.

Anonymous

How are things going over there?

Jim Reynolds

3:12 PM

Did anyone talk about the I win/I won question that was raised, er, back in the day?

Anonymous

I don't remember. Can you link to the question?

Jim Reynolds

(Irritated) If you're going to be doltish, I don't wanna talk a out it.

Thete I incorporated grumpiness, stupidity, and a conditional!

Anonymous

Well done! ;-)

Jim Reynolds

:)

Hmm... Better crank up the ole notebook. Just a sec.

Essentially, why "I win" after a game?

Does it fit what's been called the historic(al) present?

Anonymous

Oh!

Anonymous

3:17 PM

I see, I see.

Anonymous

But five minutes later, you'd say I won.

Jim Reynolds

5

Q: I win or I won right after the end of a game

Two kids are playing a game. Right after the game is over one of them shouts happily: "I won! I won!" or should he better say "I win! I win!"

past-tense present-tense present-simple

user62015

@JimReynolds @snailboat Hi!

Jim Reynolds

Hi user62015

user62015

I want to ask you one question. What's wrong with this sentence?

The population of Bombay is greater than Delhi.

Jim Reynolds

3:22 PM

I think it's ok.

user62015

Books says it must be:The population of Bombay is greater than that of Delhi.

Parth Kohli

I'd say something like, "The population of Bombay is greater than that of Delhi" just to avoid any sort of confusion.

Yes, exactly.

Jim Reynolds

It's clearer that way, and more logical.

Think like this: What two things are you comparing.

population and population.

user62015

Yes.

Jim Reynolds

So the original sentence looks like you are comparing the population of Bombay to the city of Delhi itself.

So, if you are in a class and taking a test in which that book is used, the right answer is the book's answer. l

Anonymous

3:24 PM

@user62015 I don't know if it must be that, but you can certainly say it that way and it makes sense :-) Plus, it fits your preferred formal style.

Parth Kohli

Also, the correct sentence involves the use of the word "Mumbai" because you don't want to be beaten up by Shiv Sena goons.

Jim Reynolds

In real life, most people would accept either way in speech, and many people would accept it informal writing, I think.

:D

lol Parth

user62015

Any technical reason?

Jim Reynolds

I think the reason is logical, not grammatical?

Snailboat knows more than me.

user62015

Okay.

Anonymous

3:27 PM

Hey, don't defer to me! I'm intellectually lazy!

Jim Reynolds

There are technical ways to describe why we use "that" to represent population.

Parth Kohli

As you're comparing the populations of the cities, you would use "the population of..." before both cities.

Jim Reynolds

Did you feel that it would be ok to use either sentence?

Parth Kohli

But the reason we say "than that of" is because it feels weird to repeat something in a sentence.

Jim Reynolds

That's technical!

Parth Kohli

3:28 PM

The same reason why pronouns are used.

Anonymous

@JimReynolds 'Cause it's a pronoun and you don't need to repeat yourself? Ack!

Anonymous

A moth just attacked me.

Anonymous

I love moths, but they don't understand boundaries.

Jim Reynolds

O.O

Does the moth appear to weigh more than six pounds?

Anonymous

No, it was tiny, but it flew into my face!

Parth Kohli

3:29 PM

@snailboat where do you live?

Anonymous

Moths don't mind doing that. :-)

Jim Reynolds

OK. Well, I'm at least somewhat less concerned then.

Anonymous

@ParthKohli I live in California, in the United States.

Jim Reynolds

I live under illusions.

Parth Kohli

@snailboat Wow, you're the first American who did not think of their state as self-sufficient. Most of you are convinced that your state is your country. Haha.

Anonymous

3:32 PM

Let's reopen this question:

Anonymous

5

Q: Why oak is considered an adjective in 'the big oak tree'?

I have been reading grammar instructions on this website. When I came across the bottom of the page, there was a quiz. In the quiz it was noted that the word oak in the following sentence is an adjective. In the spring, red roses blossom in my cute small garden. The beautiful birds also sing...

nouns modifiers compounds

Jim Reynolds

She probably also tends to use "United States" instead of "America", since it's more accurate.

She's a careful snailboat.

Parth Kohli

Hear, hear.

My attention-span is currently a grand three seconds.

Anonymous

It's currently closed as a duplicate of a question whose sole answer doesn't give any tests for adjective-hood.

Parth Kohli

I haven't read the answers carefully, but that's a nice question.

Jim Reynolds

3:35 PM

That's adjectivity!

Anonymous

The question asks why oak is an adjective. To answer it, we need to establish what it means to call oak a noun or an adjective in that example.

Parth Kohli

However, I'd say something like the whole oak-tree is a noun.

Jim Reynolds

Wines are described as oakey, aren't they? Is that the spelling.

And some people!

Parth Kohli

Something like this answer, yes. ell.stackexchange.com/a/75933/116

Anonymous

For example, if oak is gradable, that's an indication that oak is an adjective. Can we have a very oak tree? Not all adjectives are gradable, though.

Jim Reynolds

3:37 PM

My oak tree is not very oakey, I must admit.

Anonymous

Since it's closed as a duplicate of a question without any answers that discuss points like this, we should reopen it.

Jim Reynolds

I'm a little ashamed.

OK. I think I was #5, snail.

Now you owe me.

Anonymous

You were percent five?

Jim Reynolds

I was.

Anonymous

A-ha!

Anonymous

3:40 PM

Wait, there's still only four reopen votes.

Jim Reynolds

O.O

It's coming all the way from Taiwan, maybe.

Anonymous

I think you were percent four.

Araucaria

@snailboat Sorted.

Anonymous

Thank you!

Jim Reynolds

Hmm... I thought for sure it said 4 before I clicked.

Could someone else have voted to close?

Notice MAR voted to close. He would make a good prosecutor.

Araucaria

3:43 PM

@snailboat How about an oak table?

Jim Reynolds

Talk show host: I guess your long hair makes you a hippie. Frank Zappa: I guess your wooden leg makes you a table.

Parth Kohli

I CANNOT TAKE IT!

Jim Reynolds

What can't you take, Parth?

Parth Kohli

Oh, the thing is I've got chicken pox.

People tell me not to scratch these.

But they're so bad.

Jim Reynolds

Oh! Terrible.

Yeah. What can you do? My gosh!

I guess if you scratch them, it will get even more irritated.

Parth Kohli

3:52 PM

Yeah, exactly. I know they will.

Which is why I'm not.

Jim Reynolds

Oh, I feel pity for you!

Parth Kohli

What's an appropriate response to sympathy?

People say it lasts only four days.

"only"

Jim Reynolds

Well, in general, you could just say "thanks".

But in my case, it's not really what I want.

What day are you in now?

Is it the first day, or ... ?

Is there medicine that reduces the itch?

Parth Kohli

I don't know how we really define day one.

My first blister appeared on Monday.

But they only unleashed themselves fully this early morning.

Jim Reynolds

"your doctor may recommend over-the-counter painkillers and an antihistamine to relieve pain, itching and swelling."

Parth Kohli

4:02 PM

I do have them.

Jim Reynolds

I would try to get heavy painkillers. Narcotics.

Parth Kohli

I'd rather not.

Jim Reynolds

Where are you, Parth?

o/

Parth Kohli

I'm in India where it is Wednesday, 21:33.

Jim Reynolds

I'm at Wednesday 00:04

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

4:04 PM

Anybody missed me?

Jim Reynolds

Well, have you avoided all scratching so far?

I heart you, Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ..

Parth Kohli

I did scratch my first two blisters on Monday back when I had no idea.

Jim Reynolds

Snailboat wants to reopen a question you VTC'd.

Parth Kohli

I didn't even know they were there - I don't look often in the mirror.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds Thanks. Now I can sleep better tomorrow in the class.

Jim Reynolds

4:05 PM

Oh, but you are controlling yourself very well then.

lol

Parth Kohli

Unfortunately, the first one was right in the middle of my forehead.

I can imagine how horrific it would be if it becomes permanent.

Jim Reynolds

Probably only to you.

Parth Kohli

It'd look like an Indian bindi.

Jim Reynolds

What does a bindi signify?

I'm sadly ignorant of Indian culture.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

BTW hey @Parth! Welcome to LO!

Parth Kohli

4:07 PM

@JimReynolds If it makes you feel any better, so am I.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Thank you!

Jim Reynolds

Haha. It's a complex culture, for sure. I know that much.

Or I guess, dozens of cultures, right?

Parth Kohli

That point is pretty significant in Hinduism and Buddhism.

Some sects say it's where the soul resides, some say it's where creation begins, and so on.

Jim Reynolds

That does sound significant!

I think we are all characters in Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.'s computer game.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@JimReynolds You know too much.

Parth Kohli

@JimReynolds I'm an NPC.

Jim Reynolds

4:12 PM

Well, how many times have we had this conversation, and what's programmed to happen to us?

I can't stand the suspense!!!

Parth Kohli

Health: 0%. Muscle: 0%. Brains: 0%. Achievements: 0%.

Jim Reynolds

You must hate Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. for giving you chickenpox.

What's the reason for such cruelty, Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.?

Parth Kohli

I was reading about Edward Jenner.

What a great man.

Jim Reynolds

I didn't know that the smallpox vaccine was the first vaccine.

I know of it as the most famous citation of a horrible, horrible disease that's been eradicated due to vaccines.

Parth Kohli

4:39 PM

I wish we had an unlimited supply of water

so I could pour it on me all night

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

5:23 PM

Hmm.

I should go study something language.

Hanaa

Hello @DamkerngT. Hello all!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

\o @Hanaa

Hanaa

Hello@CopperKettle

Yes @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat hello! I saw this question

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Q: 'A dead [Proper Noun]' is okay?

I've read it at many places. I'm not sure whether they were authentic sources. But in any case, is it grammatical to say 'A dead [proper noun]'? Say, A dead Michael Jackson I mean an indefinite article for a proper noun? [Here are some results; kindly consider the relevant ones] I onl...

articles indefinite-article proper-nouns

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

We all saw it. :)

Damkerng T.

Hi Hanaa!

Hanaa

5:30 PM

I have no information about it

CopperKettle

Hi, @Hanaa!

It's a very tough question.

I found nothing on it in Quirk et al.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@CopperKettle It must be since it's a relatively new phenomena, though we need @Stoney to tell us when it started to appear.

Hanaa

I have not understand the sentence meaning

a Dead Hanaa for example?!

what s that?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

It's used in special contexts @Hanaa.

You can just ignore the indefinite article.

It exists to give the sentence artistic hue.

Damkerng T.

It's curious, right?

I think I posted a good use of it in another room.

Hanaa

5:34 PM

yes

CopperKettle

Articles are the hardest bits of English. It's better to learn words and not to fuss overmuch over articles until you're quite fluent.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. I'm waiting for an answer from @Snail, @Arau or a mighty @Stoney.

Hanaa

yes yes

but Dead Hanaa

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Mhm, that doesn't work. :/

Hanaa

what does it mean?

Damkerng T.

5:35 PM

I'm not on my desk so I have no access to my computer and it's a little bit difficult for me right now.

Anonymous

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. It's not new

Hanaa

No problem@DamkerngT.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Then I'm not searching for the correct keywords.

Damkerng T.

I think I said at but it converted it to on.

CopperKettle

@Hanaa "He knew Hanaa was alive and well, albeit very far, but a dead Hanaa kept appearing in his dreams so often that he was afraid of going to sleep."

Hanaa

5:37 PM

hhhh ok @CopperKettle

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Hullo @ldeoliveira! Welcome!

ldeoliveira

Hi! thank you!

Damkerng T.

in ELL's Cabin, 8 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

> There's no good Jones but a dead Jones.

Hi!

Anonymous

@CopperKettle It's covered in Quirk et al 1985. Turn to page 288, section 5.61 'Proper nouns behaving as common nouns'.

ldeoliveira

what are you guys talking about?

Hanaa

5:39 PM

I see crowns on @DamkerngT. and @CopperKettle profile pictures!

Damkerng T.

We are talking about a dead Michael Jackson

ldeoliveira

uh

Hanaa

An appearing crown

Damkerng T.

Curious. I said "We're" it typed "We are".

ldeoliveira

I like michael jackson

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

5:40 PM

@Hanaa HATS!

I like Jack Michaelson.

CopperKettle

@snailboat It's been open on that page the livelong day, Snails. (0:

Damkerng T.

There's something on snailboat's avatar too.

Nihilist_Frost

How do you pronounce the English contractions?

Damkerng T.

I don't know but, hey, don't works!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Nihilist_Frost Just like I would've pronounced their "expanded" version.

Hanaa

5:42 PM

/wir/ for we 're

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Mostly boiling down to pronouncing their most pronounced consonant.

Hanaa

@DamkerngT.!?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@DamkerngT. Who's don't?

Hanaa

They are crowns for ; i think, your good job , in this site

Damkerng T.

Better?

Anonymous

5:43 PM

@Nihilist_Frost You'll have to be a lot more specific.

Anonymous

@Hanaa We're can also be reduced to /wər/.

Hanaa

You'll is pronounced: /yool/

Damkerng T.

Ah, hats are for everyone!

Hanaa

Yes

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Oh, I pronounced 'don't' as if I'm moaning.

CopperKettle

5:44 PM

We pronounce the English contractions in the same way as we contract the English pronunciations.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

BTW you can choose to wear a hat only for a specific site, lest you guys didn't know.

Nihilist_Frost

@snailboat Pick any contractions.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

snailboat

5k 1 27 47

word-choice grammar single-word-requests punctuation meaning grammaticality terminology

That's the first Snail I saw.

Nihilist_Frost

I'll is /ɑl/ for me

Anonymous

Hmm, this chat room has gotten a bit too active. We're having too many discussions at the same time, so we're not getting anywhere useful in any of them.

Damkerng T.

5:46 PM

C-e-a-utiful!

CopperKettle

(0:

I should get a pixel art kettle. (0:

Nihilist_Frost

@Hanaa is that /ju:l/ in IPA?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I should get a selfie using Pubchem.

Hanaa

Yes @Nihilist_Frost

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat And this @Dam person doesn't gallery it even though I told him 3000 billion times.

Nihilist_Frost

5:48 PM

For me "you'll" is /jʊl/ ~ /jəl/

Damkerng T.

Let's blame it on the hats! :P

Hanaa

Yes indeed @Nihilist_Frost

Damkerng T.

I think I've heard both. Not sure when or what dialect which appears more often.

Hanaa

I don't have this IPA in my computer

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Hanaa Internet is sometimes wonderful: westonruter.github.io/ipa-chart/keyboard

Nihilist_Frost

5:50 PM

I use ipa.typeit.org/full

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Even moar wonderfullll

Hanaa

Thaaank u

Damkerng T.

Let's recap: I think we have two topics going on simultaneously. One is the use of the indefinite article with a proper name. The other is about contractions in English.

Hanaa

yes@DamkerngT.

Damkerng T.

And we're talking about how to type IPA stuff, too.

Hanaa

5:52 PM

I found it

it s ok

/ʃəl / for she'll

Damkerng T.

I think I make an "i" between the "sh" sound and the "l" sound.

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