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12:58 AM
Hi.
I'm struggling with embedded questions.
I wrote this : Could it be possible for a man to gather so many weapons in there?
Is it okay ? it looks wrong to me but I can't point what's the problem
 
 
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8:25 AM
@Dave Looks okay to me.
 
8:55 AM
Usernew - a great excerpt from a book! I'm afraid you've misread what it says: in the OP's question the meaning is not existential. Tom did not encounter real dogs, he just generally likes dogs with a long tail. The meaning is generic. But please do not delete the answer, the quote is great, you'd only need to amend the answer a little. — CopperKettle 6 mins ago
 
A shiny new avatar!
 
Thank you! I changed the avatar to make Bash hats more prominent. (0:
 
:-)
I was just a plain pattern avatar before my first Winterbash. ;-)
 
Yes!
 
9:03 AM
The human immune system is known to have formed in the course of evolution to defend humans \ man \ people against diseases carried by parasite worms.
 
Huwoman is not a word, anyway. :-)
 
I was proofreading this and chanced upon that article.
 
Ahh
I think people doesn't fit the context.
 
nods
But would'n man be considered "sexist" in this context..
 
Hmm... I don't think so.
 
9:12 AM
Funny. Google and Youtube stopped working.
 
I think humans is probably a safer bet. -- Oh!
They still work over here.
 
Of course it will work in your place. (0:
It's something here that's out of whack.
 
Ahh
 
9:24 AM
I think man is often considered sexist, yes.
 
@Fantasier Oh, it didn't occur to me! Maybe times have changed.
I think this is more idiomatic: She has a triangle-shaped face. By the same token, these should be acceptable, too: Her face is triangle-shaped. Her face is triangular-shaped. — Damkerng T. 3 mins ago
Hope I didn't do any harm.
 
9:50 AM
@DamkerngT. The latter is weird.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Indeed. But it appears to be more common than triangle-shaped.
 
O_O
\o BTW
 
\o @Snail!
Anyway I changed my hat into lab glasses.
It's not that visible though.
 
Indeed.
 
Anonymous
10:01 AM
@Dave That's a regular question, not an embedded question.
 
Anonymous
It's grammatical the way it is, but I can't tell if it's the right thing to say without context.
 
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Hello!
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Also hello!
 
Hello!
 
How are you doin'?
 
Anonymous
10:03 AM
I'm confused by voting on ELL.
 
I'm not confused anymore since I know it's not working.
 
Anonymous
People don't vote a lot, but there are questions where the answers are all both wrong and upvoted multiple times.
 
Oh! Is there any question in particular? -- Ah, yes. I've got that feeling every once in a while.
 
@snailboat A meta post about an specific example is all we can do, and it'll only solve the case marginally for one case.
And it might not work, or even result in drama and bad stuff.
Hey the hat doesn't look as bad as I thought.
 
I think our voting is on a hyperdrive during the Winterbash, even. Is it good or bad? I can't tell.
 
Anonymous
10:07 AM
Well, voters don't necessarily listen to me. In the past, after pointing out that something is wrong, I've seen it get lots of upvotes.
 
@snailboat Same here.
@DamkerngT. I wish the vote hats were secret.
 
nods
 
People just read the description and go and vote everything they can.
 
Anonymous
Sometimes people post blatantly wrong answers in the comments section, so I respond to warn people that the comment is wrong, and then the original comment gets a bunch of upvotes.
 
Anonymous
Unfortunately, a lot of active voters on ELL seem to be incapable of telling what's right and what's not.
 
10:09 AM
I think one possible problem is that we allow everyone to vote, learners or not.
I'm not saying that I make the right choice of voting all the time, though.
 
@DamkerngT. Yeah but that's unsolvable. Who gets to decide who should vote?
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. So, this is probably what we're gonna get, if we have, say, 10 learners for every one native speaker.
 
Anonymous
One thing that would help is getting rid of Hot Network Questions.
 
Anonymous
Once a question has been contaminated by HNQ, it's all but impossible for a new answer to rise to the top of the list.
 
nods
 
10:22 AM
One problem I see is that the primary goal of the site is helping the OP rather than all the learners that'll visit the post.
A asks "should I use 'looks' or 'look' in this sentence?"
B answers "That's a horrible sentence. Say X instead."
 
nods -- I think you're exactly right
 
What if the another learner does need to understand which option to use?
And this results in very short answers that make me bitter.
 
Anonymous
Oh, I hope we can avoid words like horrible! That might discourage the poor learner who wrote the example while trying their best.
 
I think, partly, it's because it's fundamentally based on how SO works.
 
@DamkerngT. Well, I'm yet to see an SE that works well with the very intention of helping people. It's been some time now that I haven't treated SE as anything other than an interactive library.
 
Anonymous
10:25 AM
We can communicate the same thing, but maybe a bit more gently :-)
 
@snailboat I haven't seen any answers use that word specifically. :)
 
Anonymous
I think we have both goals.
 
It was just an Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.™ example.
@snailboat We do. But the primary goal should be writing up useful stuff for future.
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Q: changing comparative into positive

yethuWin Win studies more seriously than Lynn Lynn. If I rewrite it as " Win Win does not study as slightly/lightly as Lynn Lynn," is it the same in meaning as the original one? Thanks.

Wha? Their revision is not an affirmative one.
 
It's kinda like "few" vs. "not many", actually.
 
Anonymous
I seem to have eight hats!
 
10:33 AM
Congrats!
 
@snailboat \o/
How many do you have @Dam king?
 
Anonymous
Yes, that question title appears to be wrong.
 
I miss the hats on our avatar on the right side of the chat room.
I've got only 3. :-)
 
What's that hat awarded for?
 
What hat?
 
10:35 AM
@DamkerngT. The one you wear now.
 
Quirk et al's Unit 5.61 discusses the use of proper nouns as common nouns, but mentions no instances like a dead Michael Jackson
 
Oh, it's "answer +3 a question with accepted answer".
 
Anonymous
I'll take a look later
 
Anonymous
Right now my head hurts and I don't want to get out of bed
 
I'm sorry to hear that!
 
Anonymous
10:36 AM
I got the Speedy Delivery hat just now for my noren post on ELU!
 
Speedy Delivery is one I'll never get.
 
Anonymous
I wasn't trying for it :-)
 
Anonymous
I do write a lot of my posts on language sites off the top of my head rather than after extensive research.
 
Anonymous
That was one such post.
 
Me neither. It's just good to have hats, but these guys in the Leaderboard thingy are crazy.
 
10:40 AM
Judging by upvotes, people concur with Ricky's answer in my articles question.
 
Anonymous
Yes, people that are wrong :-)
 
Anonymous
I can't make any sense of voting on ELL.
 
And a dead Michael Jackson is still an enigma to me.
 
Anonymous
You're free to go with what the community thinks rather than what a lowly snailboat thinks, of course.
 
If native speakers don't get their the right, how could learners stand any chance?
 
10:45 AM
Indeed!
 
Anonymous
Who are the native speakers in question?
 
I guess three of them claim to be, or appear to be.
TR, R, and P.
 
Ricky must be native.
 
Anonymous
Tim Romano is a native speaker.
 
Anonymous
Peter can't be.
 
10:46 AM
@snailboat The problem is IMO at least half of those upvotes are blind ones, from people that didn't even read the post.
@snailboat He can't?
 
Anonymous
Ricky is? Well, that's believable, though I'd never read anything one way or the other.
 
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No, my non-native-dar pings way too much on his posts.
 
Could be bilingual, afaict.
 
One sentence of his seed contradictory to me: "Having studied Russian, I can attest that the language, people, and culture are actually quite lovely, and the fingernail treatment does sound more Russian than Hebrew in aesthetic."
"Russian people are nice, and the fingernail torture sounds Russian" (0:
 
Anonymous
Hah! I didn't think about that :-)
 
10:52 AM
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A: past tense + potential (could + [verb])

Damkerng T.This is one of the common errors made by learners. Perhaps, we already had a similar question before, but because I can't remember one, I decided to post this answer. You're right that it was able to is more appropriate than could in the sentence. This grammar point in Practical English Usage by...

It's a hard question.
I looked up Quirk at al and they say that could can be used for "past possibility".
 
Ah, I just replied your comment! (out there)
 
Yes I've noticed. (0:
 
So basically, I don't think it was about a possibility.
 
It's just that " I could be admitted to " does not look like ability to me, because it's a passive construction
 
Maybe I read into it too much, and fixed the wrong choice of word in my head.
 
11:05 AM
I've (or just I?) favorited the question in the hope that some native speaker would explain it, but Alex's explanation is not very clear..
Maybe I'm wrong.
 
Anonymous
I think the perfect is optional there
 
Hmm..but maybe I'm the one who was in the wrong. What does "be admitted to a university" mean?
 
@snailboat thanks!
 
Anonymous
That's tricky.
 
Yes.
 
11:07 AM
@DamkerngT. "As a result" prohibits the reading of "general ability".
 
Come to think of it, I think it's quite tricky.
 
Anonymous
What if the example were make it into instead?
 
Then it would be something like "she (or he) already made it".
It's hard for me to think of his or her intention as a possibility (of being accepted in an admission process).
 
Anonymous
Hmm!
 
"As a result, I had the opportunity to enroll in Bukhara Uni, and I chose to go there"
 
11:11 AM
"I could be accepted by the admission board, but you know, I never know, because I never asked, and chose to go elsewhere."
"I managed to be accepted by the board. I was so glad, and chose to go there happily!"
 
Anonymous
@CopperKettle Nicely sidestepped! :-)
 
Thanks! (0:
 
Anonymous
By the way, I like your new kettle.
 
@snailboat Thank you, Snails! (0:
 
Me go juggernaut-ish clobbering... Clobberin' time!
Bonk! (The sound of my head banged on the wall. :P)
 
Anonymous
11:18 AM
Oh, did you try to Kool-Aid Man the chat room?
 
That would be nice! :D
 
11:36 AM
J.R. makes his hats himself.
 
?
Looks like a Chief hat. :D
 
Yeah.
 
Aww... SnoneyB's hat looks kinda sad.
 
Anonymous
I tried to position my hat so it works on both my ELL and ELU avatars :-)
 
@DamkerngT. Nah that's just opera.
My hat suits me well. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
 
11:41 AM
Eh? You use different avatars on the two sites?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I can't see your hat!
 
@DamkerngT. Open your mind eye.
 
Oh, it's barely there!
 
Anonymous
I do.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I bet you especially posted that question and answer to get that!
 
Anonymous
You might recognize my ELU avatar :-)
 
11:42 AM
(0;
 
But your avatar in ELU's chat room looks the same.
 
Anonymous
My snail there is very small.
 
(munches on Dolmeye Kalam)
 
@CopperKettle I meant to do it for some time, that hat gave me more of an incentive.
 
Anonymous
You can only have one chat avatar.
 
11:42 AM
(0:
 
@snailboat LOL -- I do!
 
Anonymous
In my case, it's based on whatever avatar I pick on Japanese.SE.
 
nods -- Sometimes I can't figure out how things work on SE!
 
Anonymous
That's why I have different avatars – fumbling through the interface, doing things accidentally :-)
 
Anonymous
When I realized I did it I left it that way, though.
 
11:46 AM
I still have a stock avatar on Area 51.
 
Anonymous
I might. I don't know!
 
I've just got a speedy delivery hat! (0:
 
Anonymous
We need 90 more people to commit to the Korean proposal in the next 8 months.
 
Anonymous
I'm not sure we'll make it :-(
 
Congrats!
 
Anonymous
11:50 AM
@CopperKettle Yay!
 
Anonymous
I just got that one myself.
 
@snailboat I'm glad for you!
 
Anonymous
I haven't done much actual hat hunting apart from what I did to get Timey Wimey
 
Me too..
@snailboat - NES says a masochist is fine
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A: "Only the masochist would choose to study Russian" or "Only a masochist would choose to study Russian"? (use of articles in generic noun phrases)

NESI'm another native speaker who can attest that a masochist is fine here. Since the sentence is not taking about any particular masochist, then I agree with you that it is taking about a generic masochist. So I have to turn to John Lawler's post Re: A question about the generic use of..., which ...

 
12:17 PM
Can we use the Present Perfect in "I have looked for the quote in the hyperlinked text, but failed to find it.", or is the but - clause a prohibitive marker for it?
I've looked for the quote in the hyperlinked text, but failed to find it.. — CopperKettle 3 mins ago
 
Anonymous
@CopperKettle Yay
 
Anonymous
I would say something like "I looked for the quote, but I couldn't find it."
 
@snailboat So the Present Perfect is a no-no due to the but?
Or because in my sentence have hinges to both looked and failed?
 
Anonymous
@CopperKettle You could say "I've looked for the quote" or "but I haven't been able to find it".
 
Anonymous
I wouldn't, but you could.
 
12:30 PM
"I've looked for the quote but I haven't been able to find it" -- ERROR?
 
Anonymous
No, I think you can say that.
 
OK I might be messed up again, but should I go and write something on meta.ELL about voting like "how can we improve the voting system?" and get some ideas from other veteran ELLers? CC @Copper @Dam @Snail
 
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Dunno. I got nothin'.
 
@CopperKettle This works.
 
Anonymous
I certainly would not suggest limiting voting to only certain users. Even if we were convinced it was a good idea, SE would never do it.
 
12:32 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think we can't, but we may improve on our voting behavior.
 
@snailboat I actually oppose doing that.
 
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Me too.
 
I've found the original text and it's prototypal there. I don't feel a difference, although I also expected prototypical. There may be a difference. — CopperKettle 1 min ago
Hah! They really use prototypal!
 
@DamkerngT. So you agree with me posting something, or just meh?
 
@DamkerngT. Yes. Why not? (0:
 
12:34 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Posting something should be fine, but I don't know what you will post.
 
@DamkerngT. I won't post any suggestions. I'll just post the question.
 
@CopperKettle It just sounds wrong to me.
 
@DamkerngT. Kyle Simpson writes a tad sloppily, but it's a technical text, no big deal. Maybe he earlier explained why he had chosen prototypal over prototypical.
 
A quick check confirms that some folks really use it.
 
Anonymous
Prototypal inheritance is fine.
 
Anonymous
12:37 PM
In most contexts, prototypical is normal.
 
I'm okay with prototypical, prototype-based, but prototypal, hmm...
 
I'm 35 first posts left to a Steward on chem!
 
"It's an attempt to piggy-back on the common understanding of what "inheritance" means in the class-oriented world, but tweak (read: pave over) the understood semantics, to fit dynamic scripting." -- ERROR? The final comma seems out of whack.
 
Definitely not a for-grammar one. :-)
I think it's a for-pause comma.
 
Anonymous
12:40 PM
Well, it's not prototypical. It's inheritance with prototypes.
 
Anonymous
Prototype inheritance :-)
 
nods -- Perhaps that's why the choice.
 
@snailboat nice! I knew there was some technical reason for the term.
 
Anonymous
(-typal, -typical)
 
I think to avoid any confusion, I may opt for "prototype-based".
 
Anonymous
12:41 PM
People don't always call it the same thing.
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. You could also put inheritance in scare quotes if you wanted ;-)
 
nods
Hehe!
I'm on iPad, so I can't type as neatly as I want to.
Thinking of trying SE app on Android, if it has one...
for da hat
 
Anonymous
I'm at my computer, so I have no one to blame but myself for my failure to make the use–mention distinction a moment ago.
 
Anonymous
Actually, I can type italics fine on my phone, too :-)
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Yeah, I install it each year, get a hat, then uninstall it . . . :-)
 
12:44 PM
@DamkerngT. It haz.
 
I suppose so, if I were a more careful person. :-)
 
Anonymous
I didn't at first because I misread the description. I thought it said to make 10 posts on the mobile app!
 
@snailboat LOL
 
Anonymous
But then I realized we just had to vote ten times, and I vote a lot anyway.
 
Anonymous
So I installed the app and did the voting!
 
Anonymous
12:45 PM
Though I failed to upvote a number of times, 'cause the 'back' button is right next to the 'upvote' button on the app.
 
Anonymous
I don't understand what the app is for. It doesn't seem to do anything useful.
 
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Q: How can we improve our voting system?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.Voting plays a crucial role in the health of an Stack Exchange community. I'd like to see some improvements in how we vote and what we vote for. How can we improve it? In other words, how can we encourage more learners to vote and discourage blind-voting (voting based on anything other than the...

 
Anonymous
It's like using the mobile interface via a browser, except with even more functionality missing.
 
Suggestions welcome.
 
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I still got nothin'.
 
12:46 PM
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll keep that in mind.
 
Anonymous
Welcome!
 
@stangdon Very true indeed. However, I can't argue with real examples I found in Google Books. :( (:-)) — Damkerng T. 24 secs ago
 
@Copper ಠ_ಠ
 
I wish we had a hat for smileys.
 
Anonymous
I like Copper Kettle's suggestion.
 
12:49 PM
Actually, I wanted to write "SE" first, but then chose to be politically comprehensive.
 
@snailboat - what suggestion? O_o
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. "an Stack Exchange community" sounded like "Unstuck Exchange community" (0:
 
Hmm... Stack Exchange, SoCkient. StackOverFlow, Stackopedia, Stack Remote, StackX, ChatSEy, Stacks, StackAnywhere, StackMob, StackWidget, Stack Browser, and more!
Stack Exchange it is, I think?
 
Yeah.
 
Oh, it doesn't look too bad.
 
@DamkerngT. Hehe what were you expecting?
 
1:00 PM
Something really difficult to work with. :P
 
http://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/75419/mixed-tenses-tenses-agreement

How true is this, that morphologically English only has two tenses,present and,not present?

And i kind of posted the same question twice,it seems.
Should i have the latter removed?
and,hey. :P
 
It is so.
 
@lekonchekon Lemme find a useful link on this.
 
sure. :P
Something that won't have me even more confused,please. :p
 
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Q: Whose tense is it, anyway?

StoneyBI have questions which perhaps should be posted to Linguistics.SE; but since my primary concern is to discover what terminology in discussing English grammar and usage on ELU (and in similar contexts), I hope I may be allowed to post them here. Back in the early ‘60s, when I was learning to dist...

 
1:03 PM
it's pretty much how google works.
you look up a word you don't know the meaning of,and you get words that are even more complex than the one you looked up. ._.
 
and of course,
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Q: How many tenses are there in English?

Mohammad RafieeDo we have 16 tenses in English? With future present past future in the past in these forms simple continuous perfect perfect continuous Can we manipulate these together to create English tenses? For example, "present perfect" or "future perfect continuous"?

 
A better set of names for the two tenses is past, vs. non-past.
 
thanks.
i'll check it out right away. ._.
 
BTW, welcome to the real tenses.
 
the ones they don't teach you in school. ._.
 
1:05 PM
(in Morpheus's voice)
 
Anonymous
@CopperKettle I was referring in a roundabout manner to your edit :-)
 
MAR! I LOVE YOU SO MUCH FOR PROVIDING THE LINKS TO THEM POSTS!
YOU SHALL WIN AT LIFE!
MAY THE ALMIGHTY LAWD BLESS YOUR SOUL!
MAY ALL YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE!

HAD I BEEN AN EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE FEMALE,I WOULD'VE JUMPED OFF THE ROOF OUT OF HAPPINESS!
._.
 
Anonymous
tr/A-Z/a-z/
 
caps, cause nothings says you're excited as hell quite like the usage of block letters.
 
Anonymous
1:12 PM
Hehe! It's true. :-)
 
@lekonchekon THANKS I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SPECIAL THAT NEEDED THIS . . . THIS WEIRD THANKING CEREMONY. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
say,what do you call someone who shows gratitude for stuff all too often?
 
Anonymous
@lekonchekon Sincerely or insincerely?
 
A person who shows gratitude for stuff all too often.
 
Anonymous
1:16 PM
Sycophantic comes to mind, though I think it might not be exactly what you mean.
 
I'd rather go with my suggestion.
 
sincerely.
 
Anonymous
@lekonchekon I don't know of a term for that.
 
Anonymous
You'll have to use @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.'s approach.
 
._. yup.
pretty much.
i was just going through a list of words,i don't think there's a certain term for that
so.
might i ask something that would make me come off really weird?
i'm going with this anyway.
I've always been obsessed with height. xD

how tall are you all? .-.
they said i was immature.
they were right. ._.)
 
1:27 PM
@lekonchekon I'm 5 angstroms tall.
 
._.
germans are some tall people. ._.
 
I'm not German.
 
._. and 5 angstroms,that's about a nanometer,probably.
 
What else did you expect from a talking molecule?
 
truth.
 
1:30 PM
OK.
I'm 5.03246 angstroms tall.
 
Anonymous
I'm pretty tall.
 
DAMN IT!
xD
._. over 6 feet/
?
 
Anonymous
No
 
Anonymous
About 5'11 (or 180cm)
 
DAMN IT!
xD
 
1:32 PM
My human disguise is about 187 centimeters high.
 
._. and here i stand at 179 cm. ._.
 
You're huge, human.
 
I once found myself standing behind a 6'6 guy in a queue. He was like a monument. ._.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. that sounds wrong. :3
 
I have got to go. Cy'all in 3 hours.
 
tata.
and thanks for the links. :')
 
1:45 PM
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Q: How to take down the internet?

Hanko TanksThe internet is a mesh or "net" of computers, all constantly establishing and re-establishing connections with each other. For this reason, only temporarily do servers go down, before they are back up and running again (i.e. "This server is temporarily unavailable. Try reloading in a few minutes"...

:-)
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Ooh, I love your hat!
 
Thanks! By the way I had an interesting interaction with Siri a moment ago.
 
Anonymous
@lekonchekon If you ever visit Japan, you'll be in the land of no monuments.
 
Anonymous
Poor Siri. Negation is too hard for her!
 
1:48 PM
(I should've cropped it but I don't know how.)
I guess 'it' must be important to her!
 
Try "do not"
 
Anonymous
My friend and I have been catching up on our superhero shows over the last week now that we have some time.
 
Anonymous
And I heard a very curious phrase last night.
 
Anonymous
Let's see if I can find it.
 
Yay! Oh!
@Nihilist_Frost Thanks for the tip. I'll try it next time.
By the way I think Siri can understand my speech better right now after my upgrade.
I mean I upgraded my iOS
 
Hah!
hadn't is the new wouldn't!
Hmm...it's better with just hadn't left, though.
 
Anonymous
Yeah, I thought both of those things.
 
Anonymous
So it must have been double modal marking (would in both protasis and apodosis) and would becoming had!
 
nods
 

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