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Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

9:00 PM

That explains it.

Have everything you uttered in Thai been grammatical?

Anonymous

Can you quote the full example?

Damkerng T.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think so, when I don't make a mistake.

@snailboat Of "I would appreciate it if you will send"?

A moment...

Anonymous

Yes

Damkerng T.

https://books.google.com/books?id=AVoEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA114&dq="I+would+appreciate+‌it+if+you+will+send"&q="I would appreciate it if you will send"

> And after you have read this letter, I would appreciate it if you will send a copy to the editor of THE CRISIS, to be printed, if he cares to do so.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Weird.

Anonymous

9:05 PM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. And you think this is ungrammatical?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I hadn't seen the example.

Anonymous

What do you think now?

Anonymous

Personally, I think it sounds okay.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I think it sounds less weird than it did at first.

I wouldn't correct them if they told me this sentence in chat.

Anonymous

It definitely helps having that bit at the beginning.

Damkerng T.

9:13 PM

Right now I wonder if the assertion the answer makes based on corpus results is true.

(That "In British English, "would + present tense" is almost never used in conditional sentences.")

Than again, I wonder if they think "I would appreciate it if you will send" is a conditional sentence.

Anonymous

What does "would + present tense" mean?

Damkerng T.

I'm not very sure. I think it's used by the OP, so the answerers use it as well.

Anonymous

It would be better if the answerers explained things a bit more clearly than that.

Damkerng T.

It seems like the answerer only searched for "would be ... if".

Anonymous

I bet Araucaria would know something about that conditional question, though I don't know if he's planning on contributing to ELL right now.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

9:20 PM

@snailboat It means "would — past tense".

Damkerng T.

nods

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

No really, they mean "would + anything that's not past".

tchrist

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I would gave that a shot if I might weren’t you.

Anonymous

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Are you trying to confuse me further? :-)

Ilan

hello

Damkerng T.

9:21 PM

Hi!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@snailboat Confuse, @Snailboat? Thanks for the laughs.

@Ilan \o

Anonymous

The present is not "anything that's not past", though.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Yes.

But that's what they mean.

The concept of tense has recently been only surrounded by a could of ambiguity in school courses.

Anonymous

I think they're referring to would in the protasis followed by a present tense apodosis. But it sounds like they mean would followed linearly by a present tense form, something that's generally ungrammatical. So I was trying to suggest that they phrase it differently, or at least that the answerers do so.

Anonymous

Note: my phone doesn't like me typing protasis or apodosis.

Ilan

9:25 PM

Guys, what is the correct form - "How is it going in a new place?" or "How is it going on a new place?"

(working place)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Ilan What meaning do you intend to convey?

Anonymous

How's it going at the new office? ← something like this?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Is 'going' and 'in' separate? (i.e. in different phrases)

Ilan

the guy changed the workplace

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

That might be it.

Ahh

Ilan

9:26 PM

I mean got new job

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

40 secs ago, by snailboat

How's it going at the new office? ← something like this?

Ilan

so I wonna ask "How it is going there"

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Or you could go with the plural.

Ilan

AT?!

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Yes.

Ilan

9:27 PM

probably "at new office"

Anonymous

Okay, at the new job, then? :-)

Ilan

yes

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

@Ilan I hate English prepositions too.

Ilan

at the new job - is it correct?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Yep.

Anonymous

9:28 PM

Dunno, it's just what came out of my brain :-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

I would go with 'office'.

Anonymous

I said office when I was guessing they had a new physical place to work at but hadn't changed companies.

Ilan

new company is the actual situation

Anonymous

So I'd focus on that. That's why I went with job.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

Kidding. :P

I'm just excited since it's getting closer and closer to my birthday.

Anonymous

9:32 PM

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I just know how I'd say stuff. I'm a native speaker, but that doesn't mean my way is always the best or only way to say something. My word is not law :-)

Anonymous

I'm just a snailboat.

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

^^^^ Biggest underestimation of the century.

Ilan

@snailboat could it be a snail? biology.stackexchange.com/questions/40583/…

Damkerng T.

If you don't know what to use, but you have to use it anyway, there are two tips that could be helpful. One is to evade it. Another is don't mind the mistake (and fix it the next time you have to use it again).

For example, "How is it going? Your new job?"

Ilan

:))

Damkerng T.

9:35 PM

:-)

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

(((((((-:-)))))))

Ilan

clever one ha

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.

A symmetrical smiley for our smiley camp.