I was Jo King

now I'm not

smh did you even take Time Travel 101

@JoKing please confirm

@Ginger they did not teach us about impersonation

they did where I went to school

but anyway

slight issue: the way you've done unresolved and concrete types is, uh, pretty different from how I've done it

specifically unresolved ones

so whenever the parser sees a type, it either converts it directly into a ConcreteType (if its a builtin type), otherwise an UnresolvedType (theres also the dyn and Void types, but those dont matter rn)

hm

okay, I'm doing about half of that already :p

I'm not doing any direct conversion yet

then type type resolver takes that unresolved type and if its fully qualified, searches for it in that dependency

my literals get parsed as nodes, and then my janky-ass MVP runner system turns them directly into instances of the correct PrimitiveObject subclass

if its not fully qualified, does a quick search

so should I change the parser to parse literals as (my equivalent of) ConcreteType?

then for all fields, etc of unresolved types, it recurses

@Ginger no, just type literals

so like int and such?

ok that makes sense

why are primitive and concrete types different in rabbit?

that shouldnt be legal

wdym?

my primitive types are just compiler defined subclasses of Object

while you apparently have a distinction between them in ur interpreter?

errrrr

I have a RabbitObject ABC, which all objects are subclasses of

mhm

primitives are subclasses of PrimitiveObject which is a subclass of RabbitObject

PrimitiveObject just provides some functionality for an object representing a value

clarification: the only place my primitives and user defined classes are different is during parsing, where they are automatically resolved. everywhere during type resolution and such they are treated like all other classes

I don't have classes, but yes that's mostly what I'm doing (I think)

nope

hmm

do you have any other subclasses of RabbitObject?

yes

which ones

a singleton Nothing object, FunctionDeclaration, and WrappedFunctionDeclaration

no structs yet

well erm PrimitiveObjects should be considered as structs for the purposes of type resolution

wait hol'up lemme back up a bit

I said that wrong, RabbitObject is essentially a struct

actually no, it just is one

how are struct types implemented in the interpreter

they aren't, yet

do that then come back

MVP remember?

@Seggan well that's what I need help with :b

dont worry about resolution, just get a skeleton struct impl first then come back

struct type impl?

or struct impl?

because I pretty much already have structs in the form of RabbitObject, but I don't have any way to represent their types

because, well, they don't have any yet

@Ginger this

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay right

I have an UnresolvedType class, I guess I need a ResolvedType class as well

@Seggan my UnresolvedType has a List of generic parameters (in the form of UnresolvedTypes); is this something that the base Type class should have? (I think yes)

also, do I need to have Unresolved versions of NothingType and NeverType? (I think not)

What's the difference between the two? I've usually seen Nothing and Never as different languages' names for the same thing, akin to Unit vs void

Nothing is used for functions that, well, return nothing (like Kotlin's Unit); Never is used for functions that never return (like Rust's !)

Ah, got it. Kotlin refers to the latter as Nothing, hence my confusion

Yeah I don't see why you'd need unresolved versions of those

@Ginger no

cool

@Ginger erm idk

that statement is a bit confusing

@Bbrk24 with regards to ur pr comment: those warnings are nothing to worry about; the shadowed functions call the shadowing ones anyway

its kinda required for multiplatform

Yeah I'm aware. I only left the comment because we were explicitly suppressing some warnings but not others

yeah i fixed that in the commit named Fix weird spacing :P

@Seggan like the type Foo<Bar, Baz> would have a list of UnresolvedTypes for Bar and Baz

yeah

yeah as in do it?

yep

kewl

TIL that the <title> tag is mandatory in HTML5.

wait what

also @user ima do lazylist as well bc ive done it in kotlin before

@Seggan implementation implemented

@Seggan I always want to read your name as seċġan

@Bbrk24 it was is read schghan

thats back when the Sʨɠɠan hivemind existed

I see

I regret nothing

now copy rol reread the above

there's a lot of above to reread q:

@Seggan *cough*

I've been thinking of adding a footer to the Trilangle online interpreter, but I'm not certain what I'd put in it. Presumably at least a link to the interpreter's GitHub repo, but what else?

@Bbrk24 Ooh, Old English? Nice

@Seggan Is ConcreteType used for classes?

huh, Rabbit (currently) has 1.3k lines of code

One library I worked on had more lines of comments than code and whitespace combined

lmao

@Ginger looks like it

Well to be fair, when the entire documentation is in comments in the source, that'll happen

e.g. dependiject.tinyhomeconsultingllc.com/documentation/dependiject/… is from github.com/Tiny-Home-Consulting/Dependiject/blob/master/…

@Ginger yeah

well, anything thats not dyn, Void, or a function type

hmmmmm

@Ginger Kotlin Magic™

adapting your code to structs is proving to be challenging

@Seggan I'm going to nuke generics as an intrinsic property of types

only structs need 'em

muh associatedtypes

oh boy that caused exciting new issues

More seriously, what about generic enums?

@Bbrk24 can be added later

update: UnresolvedType has evolved into UnresolvedStructType

My laptop's battery meter disappeared?

@Ginger fine with me

@Ginger uh oh

@Bbrk24 infinite battery life?

Nah, my settings app says I'm on 21%

the meter on the taskbar is gone though

@Seggan all types that can be literally expressed in a program's source are either structs/primitives, nothing, or never, and nothing and never are already resolved

hmm, I forgor about functions and traits

eh screw it I'll do that later™

okay: trait inheritance

@RydwolfPrograms how should I do trait inheritance, Rust-style supersets or actual inheritance? I like option 2

@Seggan is the isSubclassOf implementation for Interfaces used anywhere?

also, shouldn't Interface's isAssignableFrom check for if other implements it?

also also, why doesn't FunctionType have a name property?

@Ginger in the isAssignableFrom of ConcreteType

@Ginger oops

@Ginger because... function types dont have names?

whar ?

(String, Int) -> Double where is the name in that?

the super constructor is just passed the toString()

oh right, lambdas

so i just learned what markov chains are

and they are cool

IKR?!

Indeed

@Bbrk24 yes, they should (not at my laptop rn)

i forgot that bit

Got it. I'm also not sure how the Taylor series for log works with complex numbers -- I know for reals it only converges in (0, 2)

be warned tho that abs requires a square root i think

and computers do not like square roots

an alternate myself once used a program doing nothing but square roots as a space heater

@Seggan doesn't look like it, it seems to check that other is a ConcreteType first

Here's a log implementation that I wrote as part of my Aussie++ math library:

THE HARD YAKKA FOR log IS (x) <
    YA RECKON x < 0 ? <
        BAIL NaN;
    > WHATABOUT x == 0 ? <
        BAIL -inf;
    > WHATABOUT x == 1 ? <
        BAIL 0;
    > WHATABOUT !isFinite(x) ? <
        BAIL x;
    > WHATABOUT x > 1 ? <
        BAIL log(x / e) + 1;
    > WHATABOUT ? <
        THE HARD YAKKA FOR sumTerm IS (i) <
            BAIL intPow(1 - x, i) / i;
        >
        BAIL -sum(sumTerm, 1);
    >
>

@Seggan Related

@Ginger hrm

@DLosc yeah saw that one

@Bbrk24 interesting

it works properly?

seems too simple to be true lol

yeah, I tested it

Only works for real numbers

pow was a bunch of special-case handling followed by BAIL exp(y * log(x));, and then sqrt was pow(x, 0.5)

@Bbrk24 ahh

but were doing complex numbers

Yeah

I think my approach for exp works for complex numbers, but I know that for log it gets more complicated

@Seggan okay, I have actual type implementations, so now how do I resolve/check them?

read the above

tis what i was talking about

whar ?

aight

private fun exp(x: Complex): Complex {
    val epsilon = newDec("0.000001")
    val zero = newDec("0")
    var diff: Complex
    var result = Complex(zero, zero)
    var i = 0
    var runningFactorial = 1

    do {
        diff = x.power(i) / Complex(runningFactorial.toDec(), zero)
        result += diff
        i += 1
        runningFactorial *= i
    } while (diff.abs() > epsilon)

    return result
}

This should work for exp, right? Even if it's not the most efficient

idk

i havent done exp

here is the java lib were using

That does look simpler

and here is log

this is actually quite simple, idk why i didnt take a peek

It helps when you already have real-valued exp and log to build off of

very

i dont think i added the expect funs for those yet

once you have exp and log, then you got pow

Option 1: I branch off of your branch and add them. Option 2: you add them once you get back to your computer

Also, did you see my most recent comment?

no

The Complex.power(Int) is broken

@Bbrk24 i wont be on for another hour or 2, you can add if ya want

@Bbrk24 ouch

ill be working on lazylist anyway

> By this logic, 2i ** 2 is 4i

oops

stupid copilot

i knew i shoulda checked

funny that i did check the Complex.power(Dec) tho :P

While I'm adding these, I might as well add Dec.log() and Dec.exp() too, right? I imagine both of the base libraries implement them already

going though BigComplexMath, its actually really simple to extend the real valued functions to the complex domain

@Bbrk24 yep

did you happen to add comparison to Complex?

(actually Dec needs it too)

No. I can do that in my branch for Dec, but I don't see how it's well-defined for Complex

CMP: better name for an arbitrary decimal type than Dec? BigDecimal is kinda long and Decimal runs into shadowing issues. Cant name it Float either

@Bbrk24 oh yeah, it isnt

im forgetting my algebra, argh

@Seggan problem: In the JS library, .log() is the base-10 log, and the natural log is .ln(). Do I just have to call it ln rather than log?

nope. actual fun log(): Dec = this.ln()

@Seggan Dek from Greek Deka (ten).

eh

Dec/Dek and Deque are pronounced the same. Likely won't cause that much confusion in the grand scheme of things but

except we are using Deques as stacks

ah there it is

Why is Dec not /dess/?

my brain pronounces it dek

@Seggan NSDecimalNumber (not serious)

whats NS for

The NS namespace, like NSObject, NSString, NSNumber...

ouch

(Objective-C didn't have namespaces proper, so you'd put a couple letters on the beginning of all your class names to prevent clashes.)

ouch

The standard library, and also AppKit, are NS. UIKit is UI. CoreImage is CI. AlamoFire is AF. and so on

im surprised the coders fingers dont hurt

Autocomplete exists :P

@Adám Because when looking at an abbreviation, one tends to pronounce it as written rather than as part of the word it's abbreviating. I'd also pronounce FatRat like the rodent even though it's an abbreviation for "Rational."

@DLosc jiff then?

@Adám That one's ambiguous: you can find words that start with gi- with either pronunciation (e.g. gift vs gist).

I intuitively pronounce it with a hard G, but I pronounce it with a J when I know it'll annoy someone

Ooh, found a non-computer example: spec /spɛk/, short for "specification"

@Seggan It doesn't seem that you can retroactively conform a type to an interface in Kotlin, meaning Dec can't adopt Comparable

oh yeah...

but you can still make an operator fun compareTo

which will do the same thing

Oh? okay, I'll try that

@DLosc Another non-computer example: zoo /zuː/, short for zoological garden /ˌzəʊə…/

and then there's char which i've heard as car, care, char (like burn) (I pronounce it as car personally)

not chair though I think

@Adám Ah, indeed

@hyper-neutrino Huh, I say "char" (like burn)

sam

e

@Adám you pronounce it with a schwa? i do it zoo oh logic...

car

@Seggan sounds like you've back-ported from zoo.

@hyper-neutrino i used to pronounce char (burn), but now i do car

I say zoh oh logic…

@Adám but zooplankton i pronounce zoh planck tun lol

@DLosc interesting - TBF, of the three I listed I think the one I use might actually make the least logical sense if only by a bit - if you were to pronounce it as just the start of "character" it'd be care and if you just ignore the origin and just pronounce it as usual then it'd be char like burn, car is some weird mix of the hard K from character but the short A from char lmao

> inferred type is Number but Int was expected

then again, why is character's first A long in the first place? english pronounciation doesn't make logical sense either ig :P

@Bbrk24 what are you comparing with

@hyper-neutrino its not long

@hyper-neutrino You're just pronouncing it the authentic Latin way ;)

@Seggan It is in AmE

its not chayracter

@Seggan The JS library's builtin .comparedTo function returns NaN if either operand is NaN, so it doesn't return an integer

And I think in BrE too right?

@Bbrk24 use signum on it then

@Seggan oh yeah I forgor what long A was

@Seggan Well that's also a long A, but a long A before an R is still a long A even though you pronounce it differently

character != car-ecter

@RydwolfPrograms no the car A is ä

@Seggan Kotlin's sign function returns a float. Do I just have to call .toInt()

@Bbrk24 yep

Th difference with chayrecter is that the ay ends the syllable and the r is a leading consonant

@Seggan What's ä in this context?

ah A

oh wait

I've never heard it pronounced that way

This might depend on whether you pronounce merry, marry, and Mary the same or differently

For me "character" starts with a much different sound than "car" or "charcoal"

wait does A have 4 different pronounciations

@RydwolfPrograms same lol i mixed up

IMO the "a" in "character" is just a variant of long A

my character is a short e

i can write it cherecter

Like, lots of consonants slightly change how nearby vowels are pronounced

why isnt english like russian

That doesn't give every vowel letter a zillion different distinct vowel sounds

i mean, russian has 2 letters just for sh and sch

in russian, mostly 1 letter == 1 sound. 1 vowel == 1.5 sounds. simple

(some vowels have 1, others have 2 sounds

russian also has 2 letters for eh and e

I guarantee you you could find an instance in Russian where there's more than one allophone for a phoneme

Which is just what's going on with character

yes, but its very rare

It's not some weird English jank

i literally just took a test a week ago where i had to list off two obvious examples

#1, final obstruent devoicing

According to Wikipedia, "Russian vowels are subject to considerable allophony"

^

not my russian :P

#2, /e/

@Seggan how about zoölogical garden?

@Adám yeah thats how i pronounce it

exp, log, power, and compareTo are now up

but zooplankton is zoh plankton

@Bbrk24 noice

Heh, welcome to the zoö!

no it doesnt

and then there's the whole clusterfuck of either palatalization of velars is allophonic or high front/central vowel quality is allophonic but not both

@DLosc I had a conlang with <z> /st/ so they'd be identical there

Actually probably not because its vowel reduction wasn't as severe as English

@UnrelatedString you mean ний vs ньий?

> velars

*googles furiously*

mhm

does english prohibit 3 consecutive identical vowels?

Maybe? I can't think of a counterexample at least. I know it allows two of the same vowel in a row, so maybe you could get three across a word boundary

> No, English does not prohibit three consecutive identical vowels. However, it is relatively rare for words in English to have three consecutive identical vowels, and when they do occur, they are often the result of combining two words or using a prefix or suffix. Examples of words with three consecutive identical vowels include "cooeeing," "preemptive," and "reenforcement."

e.g. osmosis in animals; zooosmosis

according to chatgpt

i.e. nonsense

@Adám But "osmosis" has a different O sound than "zoo-"

so?

I thought you meant vowel phoneme, not vowel letter

oh

chatgpt is giving nonsense for both english and russian

Can't find any examples of this in a dictionary of 60k words I have downloaded, I'll try a bigger dictionary

I did find a few examples of three consonants tho

apparently tiiitaa is "wait" in maori

I think I need a better dictionary

i dont think those are legal words

They aren't lol

also this is getting ottnb

Well no such thing as "legal"

> yyyymmdd

But they're not words people actually use

@RydwolfPrograms No, don't you remember, these words were outlawed recently

@RydwolfPrograms you might be interested in that word list that is based on English Wikipedia word frequencies

Oh I made one of those once

One for CGCC too

The latter was gonna be Ash's compression dict

@RydwolfPrograms for wikipedia?

@lyxal Yeah

I've got an SD card lying sround somewhere with Wikipedia on it

You what

> over 19 GB compressed (expands to over 86 GB when decompressed).

@RydwolfPrograms vtc as dupe of a repo that's been doing it since 2015 :p

@NewPosts Damn your fast! Dont you ever sleep?

@RydwolfPrograms ok so I've been doing a little thinking and toss/catch is going to be SO COOL

it might actually be my new favorite Rabbit feature

its my fav rol feature

@Ginger me on my way to smother the interpreter's fingers in butter so it can't catch anything it's tossed

wtf

@Seggan k

@Ginger it'll drop everything it tries to catch because it'll just slip out

ಠ_ಠ

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Hi yes that's me, creator of vyxal

ah yes, Kevin Likes Programming and Golfing

@KevinLPG I saw that :p

Kevin: Lyxal? Probably Gone

@Ginger it'd be a funny prank for anyone using rabbit

major corporations: bye

sometimes I think you live in a parallel universe where everything is almost the same but slightly different

like in A Sound of Thunder

da hell, kevinlpg???

aw what no star?

@AidenChow hi yes hello

@Ginger what?

huh

woogly

@Seggan 👍

ty

erm im assuming you can move the messages too?

→ 87 kids named finger moved to The Edge of Propinquity

thanks kevin

no worries

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I missed a few

For golfing purposes, is there a significant difference between NodeJS/SpiderMonkey/V8/Babel Node?

I found the "tips for golfing in JavaScript" article: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2682/…

I/O

Whatever engine IE uses accepts different date formats than V8 and SpiderMonkey