The Nineteenth Byte

2:00 PM

Ok but why not install linux on your chromebook then

Whenever I do need to branch out and try two different approaches, copy-pasting the whole thing into a temp file works fine

user

Have you never made a mistake you felt like undoing or wanted an easy way to find what you had previously?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

And whenever I need to go back to something in the past, Ctrl+Z usually works, and if it doesn't, I probably still remember roughly how to do it

thejonymyster

i dont make mistakes, every edit on my code is an improvement

user

Why not try Git just once? You might like it

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:01 PM

Git would help with that, sure, but only very very occasionally, and it means I need to keep up with something all of the time for a benefit only some of the time (which is the reverse of how things should be)

thejonymyster

@user is this peer pressure

user

And besides, you'll probably be forced to learn it if you ever get a coding-related job

mousetail

@thejonymyster I don't make improvements, every change to my code is a mistake

thejonymyster

@mousetail we duel at dawn

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@user I've been planning to, but my process of starting projects usually involves a huge burst of slowly fading motivation that doesn't let me think through that sort of thing first :p

thejonymyster

2:02 PM

alt: sometimes when i need to rewrite code i just comment out the old version just in case

user

@thejonymyster Beware of strangers, they might offer you version control tools!

6

mousetail

Can we do it sooner, my shooting code is getting progressively slower every hour

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf what text editor do you use?

user

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Understandable lol

NoHaxJustRadvylf

T2xt, a custom fork of the default editor, called...Text

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/text/…

@mousetail I have

user

2:03 PM

Have you tried Gitpod? It's quite nice (I used to use it on my school's Chromebooks and it worked well)

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf well dang

I was going to say if your text editor had git integration, you could use that

user

It's basically VS Code in your browser, for free

thejonymyster

what if they needed to edit git

would they git git

user

What

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@lyxal Yeah, git integration would be nice. So would ctrl+f. I really need to switch editors :p

user

2:04 PM

...you don't have Ctrl+F?

Or do you just have the crappy one built into the browser?

thejonymyster

shrek "they dont even have ctrl+f" .png

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I sort of do, but it does things very weirdly

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf github.com/vicr123/theslate/releases could be of interest

Nobody Needs Names

anyone heard of potato pirates?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

As soon as you click out of it it disappears, which means the primary purpose of ctrl+f (going back and editing every instance of something) is very impractica;

lyxal

2:06 PM

@NoHaxJustRadvylf alternatively, you could upgrade to vs code

NoHaxJustRadvylf

The only thing keeping me from switching to Atom/VSCode is syntax highlighting

I need it to be a very specific way, and it usually isn't

user

@lyxal I think Radvylf said sometime previously that he didn't want to use an IDE through Linux?

mousetail

You don't want syntax highlighting?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

That being, variables are blue, not black

mousetail

You can change the colors

user

2:07 PM

You can configure themes easily

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Vs code has you covered

mousetail

Everything is customizable

lyxal

themes.vscode.one

user

VS Code does make it a bit harder than, say, Sublime, but it's definitely not hard

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Yeah, but usually the themes don't have a way to customize existing vs. non-existing variables

lyxal

2:07 PM

you can make themes and syntax highlighting online

Unrelated String

@NoHaxJustRadvylf that's probably possible with language servers

lyxal

sure the installation process for vs code custom themes is a little painful, but it's manageable

mousetail

Also it's like a really minor thing to dismiss a massively more powerful editor over

user

Might not be that easy to make a whole new extension though

^^

mousetail

You'll get used to it in 5 seconds

Unrelated String

2:08 PM

^

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Another disadvantage of Atom/VSCode is that running them through Crostini introduces a few annoying problems

user

Not being able to mass replace and stuff is a huge disadvantage

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@mousetail I don't need massive power I need blue variables

user

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Then use VS Code in the browser (Gitpod)

NoHaxJustRadvylf

There's a reason I've stuck with the world's stupidest text editor for 6 years :p

user

2:09 PM

It works pretty much flawlessly

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf but multiple cursors, copilot, regex replace, markdown preview, XSLT/XML language support and more!

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@user How does that work?

user

VS Code is built with Electron

NoHaxJustRadvylf

The browser can't access files, can it?

user

Which is why you use Git

Store your files with GitHub

lyxal

2:09 PM

@NoHaxJustRadvylf it attaches to an existing repo

alternatively, github codespaces

user

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mousetail

^

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@lyxal I have multiple cursors, don't need copilot, regex replace would be nice, syntax highlighting > markdown preview, and XML is for people whose noses are on upside down

@user A little bit yes :p

mousetail

@NoHaxJustRadvylf All of those things except markdown are extensions not included by default

and regex

NoHaxJustRadvylf

But everything in the actually-editing-text department is exactly how I like it, it's fast, and the syntax highlighting is better than anything else I've tried

lyxal

2:11 PM

@mousetail ? multiple cursors and regex replace are included with vscode

mousetail

Yes regex replace is

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Yeah I'd be really surprised if multiple cursors was an extension

user

Multiple cursors is also included

mousetail

Sorry I wrote that sentence in a confusing way

I meant copilot and XML are extensions

user

Language servers are really helpful

Unrelated String

2:12 PM

^

user

I used to use Notepad++ and having an editor/IDE telling you "hey, did you mean X?" is huge

Of course, it's your choice

mousetail

I use both webstorm, VSCode, Notepad++, Kate, and nano

user

As long as that choice is not T2xt or Text :P

thejonymyster

what about regular Notepad

user

@mousetail Notepad++ and Kate on the same OS?

@thejonymyster Regular Notepad is trash

lyxal

2:14 PM

Does T2xt/Text have dark mode?

mousetail

Notepadqq

The linux fork of n++

thejonymyster

@user whaaat

mousetail

I use it for notes since you don't have to save files and they stay open

user

It is literal trash

Ah ok

thejonymyster

how could the plaintext editor with near 0 features be trash

Unrelated String

2:15 PM

you answered your own question

user

I tried Kate but it was in this weird position of being more advanced and heavy than npp but also not as fully featured as VS Code to use for coding and stuff

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Okay, installed VSCode, now for a couple hours of configuring settings and stuff

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@lyxal Yes

Another convert!

2:16 PM

@NoHaxJustRadvylf blue variables in VSCode

NoHaxJustRadvylf

where

lyxal

hey wait isn't that one of the default themes?

I feel like it might be

user

I think the variable names need to be blue?

@lyxal Looks like Sublime's

Monokai Pro?

mousetail

Red variables in VScode

For those preparing for the apacopalypse

lyxal

imagine not having everything #beedab

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:18 PM

There literally aren't any variables in that code

Just declarations

Nobody Needs Names

@mousetail lol

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I'm not talking about the color of keywords or variable names in declarations, but the variables themselves when being used

mousetail

The point was that they where unused right?

You didn't want unused variables to grey out

NoHaxJustRadvylf

As in:

Whereas something like h3 would be black since it's undefined

PyGamer0

or flax v1
:P

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:20 PM

Okay already a big problem with VSCode: It's stealing my Alt+Number

PyGamer0

@NobodyNeedsNames i thinksoyeah

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Which is the primary way I switch windows

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf alt + any number key?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Yeah, Chrome OS equivalent of Windows key + number key

lyxal

File > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts, search for Alt + <whatever number>, remove key binding

mousetail

2:22 PM

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I did, but it's still intercepting them

Nobody Needs Names

@PyGamer0 pi? e? the mash-alone-y constant?

oh wait, the ecosia.org/search?q=mascheroni%20constant

PyGamer0

pi and e are there

@NobodyNeedsNames willaddlater

@NoHaxJustRadvylf also install the vim emulation plugin :P

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@PyGamer0 disgusting

Nobody Needs Names

@PyGamer0 i?

lol

bye

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:25 PM

Yeah I can't use VSCode unless there's some way to fix the Alt+Number thing

PyGamer0

@NobodyNeedsNames uh just use j

NoHaxJustRadvylf

It's a really bizarre behavior too

PyGamer0

@NoHaxJustRadvylf what

NoHaxJustRadvylf

When nothing's assigned to a keyboard shortcut it really shouldn't be preventDefault'd or whatever the OS variant of that is

PyGamer0

what does vscode do when you press alt+number

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:26 PM

@PyGamer0 On ChromeOS you can hit Alt+N to go to the Nth item in the taskbar. VSCode intercepts those.

@PyGamer0 By default, no clue, but I removed those bindings

And it still does it

lyxal

wait windows + N switches taskbar windows?!

holy frick

TIL

PyGamer0

@NoHaxJustRadvylf o_o

i think you should just stick with t2xt lol

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf switch editor tabs

NoHaxJustRadvylf

yeah. seems like ctrl+N is more reasonable for that

Also yuck I hate this ctrl+tab behavior

I'm sure it's customizable but still

lyxal

now before you go any further, sign into github

mousetail

2:30 PM

Agreed there, it's terrible in WebStorm too

lyxal

the whole reason we're getting you to use a different editor is for the github integration

so make sure to get that working

NoHaxJustRadvylf

What's the point...if I can't get the Alt+N thing working, I am simply not using the editor :p

mousetail

What is alt N supposed to do?

PyGamer0

just use vim with fugitive :P

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@mousetail Switch to the Nth item in the taskbar

It's the primary way I switch between windows. It's like if you bought a new desk chair, but it had superglue on the seat. You can't leave without varying up your approach.

mousetail

2:33 PM

@NoHaxJustRadvylf It literally works though

I just tested it

PyGamer0

alternatively switch to any one of these editors

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@mousetail Doesn't for me :/

lyxal

what build of vs code y'all using

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Although if you're not on ChromeOS I wouldn't expect it to work anyway

Windows (and I believe Linux too) uses the Windows key instead

mousetail

I think you need to ditch chrome OS

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:34 PM

No! I love it

mousetail

I'm on linux and alt works

NoHaxJustRadvylf

And that would make the Alt+N issue way worse

Since then nothing would support it

lyxal

@NoHaxJustRadvylf I don't think Linux would use the Windows key. Something tells me they'd use something different.

can't quite put my finger on it though

PyGamer0

they would use the OS key :P

NoHaxJustRadvylf

That's like stepping on a nail and deciding stepping on nails is your life now

mousetail

2:35 PM

@lyxal It's the sam key just called the meta key

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@mousetail What exactly does it do on Linux?

mousetail

Though I guess that needs to be renamed now too

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Depends entirely on your window manager

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@mousetail I've always heard it called the super key in the context of Linux

@mousetail Well what is it doing for you

mousetail

I set it up so it's mostly the same keyboard shortcuts on windows

But I had to configure most of those myself

user

@NoHaxJustRadvylf If you install a JS extension, it should show you a red squiggly line or something if something is undefined

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:36 PM

@user gross

@mousetail Well yeah, but what is Alt+N doing for you

mousetail

@NoHaxJustRadvylf You can configure it to replace squiggly line with a different formatting

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Switches tabs in Firefox and in VSCode

Works in the terminal too

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@mousetail ...the whole thing I'm talking about is that I want to override the switching tabs behavior

I use it to switch windows, and VSCode is eating the shortcut

mousetail

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Can't you change the switch windows key to "windows + N" as is more correct?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I don't exactly have a windows key on a Chromebook :p

mousetail

Window manager keyboard shortcuts should use the super/meta/windows key always

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:40 PM

I do have the search key, which acts as a meta key, but it's rarely used for shortcuts

Plus since Alt+Tab is a thing, Alt+N makes more sense anyway

mousetail

Can you configure it?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Not to my knowledge

mousetail

Alt-Tab is a mistake, windows tab is more correct

NoHaxJustRadvylf

But once again that requires a huge change to my workflow just so I can use VSCode, which I don't really like all that much in the first place so far

I don't care how ""correct"" my keyboard shortcuts are, I care how much unnecessary stuff I have to bother doing just so I can ctrl+f more easily

mousetail

You can just change the shortcuts

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:42 PM

Yeah I removed all those

mousetail

In VSCode

NoHaxJustRadvylf

And it still eats the shortcut

lyxal

maybe open an issue on the repo - github.com/microsoft/vscode

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Well, just checked, and Atom does the same thing :|

I'm almost wondering if this might be an issue with Crostini as a whole instead of the individual applications

mousetail

Might be a electron thing

NoHaxJustRadvylf

2:48 PM

Okay it does actually seem to be a Crostini thing

Opening a window with Tkinter does the same thing

@user How does that work?

Like, what happens when I push ctrl+s? Where does it save?

lyxal

It makes a commit iirc

Saves it to the repo you use it on

NoHaxJustRadvylf

What if I don't want to make a commit

I hit ctrl+s like, every line lol

mousetail

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Squash your commits afterwards

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I think I'm sticking with T2xt :p

Maybe in a year or so I'll work up the motivation to dig into its code and add stuff like proper ctrl+f

user

@lyxal It does not make a commit

It only saved locally in Gitpod

You can close the tab and come back later and your changes will all be there

And then, if you want, you can commit and the commits will be saved locally

And then, if you want, you can push to GitHub

@NoHaxJustRadvylf

I'd highly recommend Gitpod before going to the trouble of setting it up using Crostini

NoHaxJustRadvylf

3:02 PM

Web based editors don't really sound all that appealing to me, but it's an interesting concept

user

ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ I tried

@user (locally in Gitpod's machine, I mean, not on your computer)

NoHaxJustRadvylf

3:17 PM

Fun fact: Milliliters and cubic centimeters are the exact same unit

Unrelated String

3:28 PM

the classic

graffe

@Adam hi

CMQ howc do you get tensorboard to show you live updated graphs?

Steffan

5:01 PM

What happened to our logo?

Actually, all the SE sites are showing like that

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Q: Polyglot for C and PHP

I was thinking of a compiler that spits out C/PHP polyglots, but not sure if possible. Main issue is the PHP opening/closing brackets, <?php and ?>. I wanted to make them as macros that expand to nothing, but macros can't have such identifiers. Any way around this? #define <?php #define ?> #defin...

Aiden Chow

5:46 PM

@Steffan ya thats strange

i think they grab the logos from here: cdn.sstatic.net/Img/favicons-sprite16.png?v=bafa22065134

maybe they have some alignment issue and it create that offset?

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Q: Cartesian - polar conversion couple

We don't have a challenge for conversion between polar and Cartesian coordinates, so ... The challenge Write two programs (or functions) in the same language: one that converts from polar to Cartesian coordinates, and the other from Cartesian to polar coodrinates. The score is the sum of the tw...

code-golf math number arithmetic

DLosc

6:53 PM

LDQ: For an image-based esolang with four colors (think Piet but simpler), which four colors should I use? My main two criteria are 1) looks pretty and 2) is still somewhat usable for colorblind folks.

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I'd do R/G/B and white

(Or three colors close to R/G/B that are colorblind friendly)

Maybe from this?:

mousetail

@DLosc RGB but make red, green, and blue each have a significantly different brightness

Adám

7:10 PM

graffe

@Adám my favourite one is protanopia

Looks clearest to me

Adám

Uhh???

These are not 4 colour schemes, these are a single colour scheme, and how various people see them.

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Those aren't three color palettes, it's the same color palette viewed with different types of colorblindness :p

Aiden Chow

@graffe uhhh protanopia is a type of colorblindness.... thats how ppl with that colorblindness would see the colors lol

graffe

I am color blind and the protanopia chart is most distinct to me

:)

Aiden Chow

7:17 PM

oh

Adám

@graffe Which one of the last three looks most similar to the "normal vision" one?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

@graffe That would make sense if you have protanopia, since the protanopia variant is only filtering out information you already lose

Adám

@DLosc Numbers 1, 3, 8, and 13 from the above chart would look good, and be completely distinct for all colour blind people.

It would only fail for those who are entirely achromatic, but that's very rare. If you want to cover those too, then 1, 2, 8, and 14.

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Personally I'd do 3, 6, 14, and white

Orange is ugly :p

graffe

@NoHaxJustRadvylf I believe I do

NoHaxJustRadvylf

7:23 PM

Also the SE site icon mess has produced some pretty funny HNQs. E.g., I think someone just divded by zero:

graffe

@Adám hmm..two or three. Not the last one

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Or is tellimg you to invest in ETH:

Adám

@graffe Makes sense. They are very similar.

graffe

@Adám did you have any thoughts about my sandboxed challenge?

You mentioned you had an idea

Adám

I did? Link?

graffe

7:25 PM

I think you said you had an idea about how to make an optimal strategy but you need to do some coding to test it

Or something like that

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I think that was the other Adam

DLosc

^

graffe

@NoHaxJustRadvylf oh oops!

Sorry

Who is the other Adam?

Aiden Chow

@graffe its the adam without the accent mark on the "a"

graffe

If anyone is able to look at codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/25030/108721 , thank you in advance!

@AidenChow ah ok thanks

Aiden Chow

7:30 PM

Adam

1.2k 13

code-golf string math number sequence tips hello-world

DLosc

7:44 PM

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Oh, I forgot to mention that I'd rather not use white, since it blends in with the background on SE. (I'd prefer not to use black either--not colorful enough.)

@graffe I'm slightly red-green colorblind, but I don't remember if it's prot- or deuter-

Adám

@DLosc 2,12,4,14

@DLosc Deuteranopia.

DLosc

Wikipedia says "Red-green color blindness includes protan and deutan CVD."

graffe

@DLosc I didn't remember until I just did a test

If anyone has any idea how to solve my sandboxed challenge I would love to hear them too!

DLosc

@Adám Interestingly, I find 2 and 12 very similar. They're too dark to distinguish easily at a glance. 4 and 14 are distinct, but I don't like 14 aesthetically.

Adám

Maybe 8,10,13,15 then?

But 15 is very light.

~~Hm, maybe 8,10,13,14.~~ No, wait, you don''t like 14.

DLosc

7:53 PM

I'm fine with very light, as long as it's not white.

graffe

CMC code golf the simplest possible strategy for my sandboxed challenge

DLosc

I'd be more inclined to pick something like 11,3,9,15 or 11,3,10,15. If there were a lighter version of 3, maybe 11,7,3*,15.

Adám

OK, but it won't look pleasant for normal colour vision people.

Aiden Chow

what kinda lang u making anyways? sounds interesting

DLosc

@Adám Really?? What's unpleasant about it?

Adám

8:04 PM

I can't really explain that, methinks.

DLosc

Is it one of the colors, or the juxtaposition of them?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I think I've got the perfect palette. It's exactly as accessible for everyone, has a consistent look, and is compatible with vitually all displays without compromise:

Pls like I spent hours on these innovative designs :3

@DLosc I really like 11,3,10 but 15 doesn't really match

DLosc

@AidenChow Basic idea is an image-based language that can be encoded in 2 bits per codel. Still lacking a lot of details at the moment. :)

emanresu A

@DLosc Just use unary

DLosc

@NoHaxJustRadvylf I don't actually like 10 that much--it mostly looks gray. But I'm concerned that 9 is a bit too close to 3.

NoHaxJustRadvylf

8:09 PM

11,3,9 is just as good

But yeah 3 and 9 are a little close

11,3,7 would be more distinct I think, and IMO it looks better. But it doesn't really work for tritanopia

DLosc

I guess 11, 3, and 9/10 are all a bit muted, while 15 is rather loud. Could maybe bring the R and G values down a bit.

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I mostly just don't really like yellow, especially in combination with red and blue.

For people who aren't as anti-yellow-and-orange as me, 11,3,x,sort-of-15 would probably work

DLosc

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Ah. We'll probably have to differ on that. (I'm wearing a bright yellow shirt as I type this. :P)

NoHaxJustRadvylf

4,9,14 with black is probably what I'd pick, personally

Possibly with 11 or 7 substituted, and probably a darker/less saturated green than 14

DLosc

Yeah, I think something between 3 and 14 might be nice

NoHaxJustRadvylf

8:14 PM

Yeah, maybe. Red, cyan, and darker blue would look good

Something roughly like this, maybe?:

Maybe a slightly greener second one

emanresu A

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Hell yeah, I can draw an amogus

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Ooh didn't even think of that

Also if tritanopia looks anything like it does in these colorblindness visualizing thingies sign me up

DLosc

@NoHaxJustRadvylf What site are you using for that?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Coloring for Colorblindness

I've got it bookmarked :p

@NoHaxJustRadvylf This palette looks oddly familiar to me. I can't really place where I've seen it though.

I actually think it might've been a rejected theme for Tanks

thejonymyster

@NoHaxJustRadvylf since we're allowing trits now, are deuts and prots also allowed?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

8:29 PM

A deut sounds like a rejected name for a bit :p

Not sure what a prot would be though

Something I thought of the other day: unary doesn't work with standard positional numeral systems, but it's perfectly consistent with bijective bases

GingerBot

a deut is just a bit for skeletons with trumpets

thejonymyster

how does bijective base work again? asking because wikipedia has a really stupid one and im worried about whether its right or not

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Instead of 0..b-1, it's 1 to b, and it works exactly like normal bases otherwise

thejonymyster

wikipedia thinks bijective base ten looks like 1 2 3 ... 7 8 9 A 11 12 13 14...

NoHaxJustRadvylf

so you count 1, 2, ..., 9, A, 11, 12, ..., 19, 1A, ..., 9A, AA, 101, 102, ...

thejonymyster

8:32 PM

or wait yea

wouldnt that be A1 A2 at the end?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Oops yeah

thejonymyster

ok right no it wasnt that it was stupid, sorry

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Wait hang on how are A1 and 101 different

thejonymyster

0 just doesnt exist

NoHaxJustRadvylf

oh yeah lol

thejonymyster

8:33 PM

my issue was mainly that it doesnt go far enough to show that

their examples stop at 16 :P

NoHaxJustRadvylf

yeah bijective bases are this weird uncanny valley thing since they're so similar to normal ones but just slightly off

thejonymyster

super useful for strings

are there any langs that only use bijective base :?

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I wonder if, had history gone differently, we could have had bijective bases as the default

Ooh a bunch of sites have themes now

Arduino, motor vehicles, sharepoint are three I've noticed in the HNQs

Guess that's what broke the site icons earlier

DLosc

9:11 PM

@NoHaxJustRadvylf Very easily. 0 was a bit of a counterintuitive concept and took a while to catch on, IIRC.

The problem is that in natural language, we tend to have a single word for "ten," so it feels more natural to count "eight, nine, ten, ten-one, ten-two, ten-three," which would lead to a system like 8, 9, A, A1, A2, A3, which doesn't work as a place-value system. Once you realize that you can write ten-three as 13, where the 1 being shifted over means "multiply by 10," then you want to write ten as 1_ rather than giving it its own symbol.

Not sure if it's any easier or harder to work an abacus using a bijective base system... though you do need one extra bead per column.

NoHaxJustRadvylf

Doing arithmetic stuff feels less intuitive to me than with normal base 10, but that might just be base 10 bias.

If I have a base bias then I am not based, but I do have bases, which themselves don't have biases, thus they are based bases?

DLosc

NoHaxJustRadvylf

I like the first three colors :p

But yeah looks good

And as far as yellows go that one fits pretty well and isn't particularly bad

DLosc

#knockoff-ukraine-flag

I wonder how it would look to someone with no color vision, tho

That doesn't seem to be an option on that site

NoHaxJustRadvylf

9:27 PM

I mean, only like one in 40k people have monochromacy

DLosc

Sure. Seems like a reasonably easy thing to accommodate with only four colors, tho. Dark, medium dark, medium light, light. I just don't trust my intuitions about how different the lightness of pairs of colors are. #1 seems clearly the darkest, but is #2 too close to #3? Or is #3 too close to #4? I wonder.

These are pretty close to Google's colors, except their red is much lighter (and looks orangey to me, tho maybe that's just me).

Seggan

@thejonymyster because I needed it in a challenge and never though of doing the opposite :P

thejonymyster

10:27 PM

@Seggan Fail

@DLosc if no color vision is the same as "turn down the saturation all the way": doesnt look great

but i cant guarantee thats how that works lol

user

10:48 PM

@DLosc If you're making this for an editor or something, maybe you could have an option to let people choose their own colors

Because the browns for protanopia and deuteranopia and the turquoises for tritanopia look very close

Oh nvm it's for an esolang, didn't read that far up

thejonymyster

11:02 PM

i mean still

possibly a good use for flags finally? :P

Bubbler

11:24 PM

@NobodyNeedsNames You'll see the truth when you reach 10k rep. It's more like 93xx-th (including deleted)

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