The Nineteenth Byte

Ginger

18:00

attempt 3

Radvylf Programs

The squares are a bit dark

Ginger

hm

Wezl oOvOo

@RadvylfPrograms *evil laughter*

Ginger

you're challenging me???

Wezl oOvOo

not necessarily

Ginger

18:03

ok then

Wezl oOvOo

I can just take pictures of my cat in different poses for different pfps :P

Ginger

:|

thejonymyster

maybe invert it so its white squares on a dark bg? lol

Ginger

attempt 4

using the square color from attempt 2 and the LOTM text color from attempt 3

nevermind it looks like garbage

mousetail

2x2 calender with LOTM writen on the squares?

Ginger

18:13

okay, generating...

Wezl oOvOo

so we're not competing d:

LYAL pfp (someone else can do the colors)

Radvylf Programs

LYXAL

Ginger

LYXAL?

I KNEW you were a sock!

Wezl oOvOo

no I'm a sock of user not lyxal

Ginger

I didn't specify did I

Wezl oOvOo

18:16

that's why he pretends to not like cats

Ginger

>:(

Wezl oOvOo

these messages will self-destruct in 500 seconds so no evidence is left behind

wait no the edit limit

now my automated script will fail

and everyone will know I'm a sock

Ginger

also ROs can see deleted messages

and I just took a screenshot

so

Wezl oOvOo

well I'm a sock not a sockpuppet

i.sstatic.net/94BK2.png?s=16&g=1 doesn't that look like a sock

mathcat

Weird fact of the day: After 5527 tries of you slamming your head on your keyboard you'd have a 90% chance of typing "CGCC".

Ginger

18:19

...no

mathcat

For the sake of simplicity you'll have to slam you head on either the d, f, g, x, c, v or b key

Ginger

who wants to test this

Wezl oOvOo

@mathcat depends on how pointy your head is :P

does the nose count

mathcat

okay

yes

att

yeah, if your head is large it's very likely you hit more than one key

Ginger

18:20

well I got ggyhtgvbtgrtfvrfvrtfgv5 so

mathcat

well be more accurate

Wezl oOvOo

@Ginger I'm just gonna assume you were replying to mathcat :P

@Ginger jumping from v to 5 wow

mathcat

wait a second

How did you hit a "5" in the middle there?

Radvylf Programs

Ginger's a Unicorn and their horn got in the way

mathcat

Ginger exposed

Sandbox Posts

18:36

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Where does the seesaw balance? There have been a couple seesaw balance questions but none of them are doing this version of the question. Adding weight to one side, or small inputs with ascii art have been done already, but I think this would be unique enough to not be a duplicate. Problem: Given...

mathcat

I just wanted to confirm, there isn't any challenge about simulating a turning machine yet, right?

Zion mycelia adamancy

@mathcat Ginger is a normal human being typing with their normal hands

mathcat

Yeah of course. I know.

Wezl oOvOo

huh, that's odd. sometimes oneboxing enlarges the speaker's pfp and sometimes not

this is... really confusing

that is, the rules for when pfps are enlarged are confusing

seemse it doesn't happen in the transcript

user

Some oneboxes are more equal than others

DLosc

18:52

@mathcat Surprisingly, there is a challenge about simulating a turning machine ;P

(I imagine this is what you're actually looking for.)

mathcat

@DLosc I didn't notice the n lol

@DLosc oh man

Radvylf Programs

20:03

One of my favorite aspects of SE that I'm reminded of whenever I'm forced to visit some other forum: No concept of necroposting

emanresu A

20:42

Yeah lol

Any feedbacl?

Ginger

20:59

@Zionmyceliaadamancy yes, and if you would like we could COOK BREAD AND TALK ABOUT OUR INTERNAL SKELETONS

@mathcat guess my HUMAN FACE is just wide

r/brandnewsentence

Wezl oOvOo

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Hi and welcome to the TTNB!

Ginger

The The The Nineteenth Byte?

(also that's caird)

Wezl oOvOo

@Ginger no The TTNB The Nineteenth Byte

Zion mycelia adamancy

@WezloOvOo Hi, what's this chat room for?

Ginger

ah yes, The The The Nineteenth Byte The Nineteenth Byte

@Zionmyceliaadamancy apparently redundant acronyms q:

Wezl oOvOo

21:06

@Zionmyceliaadamancy we're not really sure. I'm training a neural net on which messages the ROs move out to try to figure out, but it's still not finding any patterns

Radvylf Programs

@Zionmyceliaadamancy Discussing golfing programs between 18 and 20 bytes

Ginger

according to my analysis this room is a repository of bad programmer jokes

damn shift key being so close to the apostrophe key

Zion mycelia adamancy

@RadvylfPrograms well, I use a pretty obscure language, not sure if any of y'all have heard of it, it's called Jelly, and programs in that are never longer than like 15 bytes max

Ginger

WELL

Radvylf Programs

Well then you are not allowed in this room. As an RO I am now required to kick-mute you. Sorry!

Zion mycelia adamancy

21:08

@RadvylfPrograms Do it, I dare you :P

Ginger

(I do have yet to see a 16-byte Jelly program)

well if it's a dare you now have no choice but to comply

Radvylf Programs

@Zionmyceliaadamancy I totally would if it was visible to the whole room instead of just ROs :p

Ginger

that's how dares work right you dare someone to do something and then they have to do it right

Zion mycelia adamancy

@Ginger Do you mean exactly 16 bytes, or 16 bytes or longer? :P

Wezl oOvOo

@Zionmyceliaadamancy this is general discussion about general programming questions without objective winning criterions

Ginger

21:09

or have I been wearing this fruit hat for nothing

Wezl oOvOo

"criterions" and "criterias" are both words btw :P

Zion mycelia adamancy

0

A: Bring out the inner llama of a sentence

Jelly, 16 bytes ŒlẹⱮ“ṫɠ»Ż>ƇḢ¥@\Ḋ Try it online!

Ginger

and now I have

thanks for newening my horizons

Wezl oOvOo

@Zionmyceliaadamancy was that a coincidence or do you genuinely remember the byte counts from your golfs from a year ago

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms 18 bytes so does this mean I have to do this now 20 bytes

Zion mycelia adamancy

21:12

@WezloOvOo I remember the byte count of all my answers

Ginger

oop time for me to get back on topic

Wezl oOvOo

honestly I would have trouble remembering that each of my more than 800 answers exists if I were you

emanresu A

22:15

2 hours ago, by emanresu A

Any feedbacl?

Radvylf Programs

22:52

→ 31 messages moved to Off-Topic TNB

Ginger

fair enough

thejonymyster

wait a few of those were on topic :P

@RadvylfPrograms i genuinely like your "find where newlines go" challenge idea lol

Radvylf Programs

Ah oops I grabbed a sandbox feedback request too

Wezl oOvOo

@thejonymyster ninja'd

in Off-Topic TNB, 1 hour ago, by Radvylf Programs

Ooh, test-battery challenge idea: Given a chat transcript with newlines stripped, try to predict where to insert newlines

emanresu A

← 1 message moved from Off-Topic TNB

Radvylf Programs

22:55

@emanresuA Is the matching overlapping?

Also, I think framing this as an interpreter challenge just distracts from the actual task

Talk isn't a programming language IMO, except in the loosest possible sense, and this really isn't either. It's just array manipulation.

Ginger

^

thejonymyster

^

Ginger

but beyond that lgtm

thejonymyster

yea the idea itself is cool lol

@RadvylfPrograms talk is a dsl for my light switch

...actually that makes me think, implementing talk on a chip could be a cool like, babys first computer project maybe

like ... engineering

i have no idea what im talkinga bout :-)

Ginger

make it in Game of Life

Radvylf Programs

23:00

There are exactly three Talk programs is what annoys me

The rest are just synonyms

thejonymyster

lol

maybe we should try and do a "talk but slightly more advanced" challenge

emanresu A

23:16

@RadvylfPrograms Nope

Also it's kinda completely unrelated to the original Talk now

I suspect it's turing-complete

thejonymyster

it reminds me of slashes lol i bet it is

emanresu A

It is kinda similar to slashes

Ginger

first few example texts have come in, check the edge of propinquity for them

Radvylf Programs

@emanresuA I doubt it, but it possibly could be with some really weird I/O

Ginger

A preview:

> The Nineteenth Byte is actually less than 7 bytes, CR has less bytes

TNB exposed

thejonymyster

23:19

╔══╗
║LY║
║AL║
╚══╝
╔══╗
║LO║
║TM║
╚══╝

my submission(s)

Ginger

got some more

> DeepDream, a.k. Glorified Washing Machine

some of these are probably plagarised

but eh

thejonymyster

@Ginger oh is this an ai message i thought this was real lol

Ginger

it's ai

Wezl oOvOo

me too that took me a while

Ginger

these are from a retrained GPT-2

but that one might be plagarized

it's nearly done training

thejonymyster

23:27

lang name idea: this text is green with an underline

anyway continue

Ginger

what

thejonymyster

cgcc links are green

so if you submit an answer with it itd just be describing itself in a stupid way lol

Ginger

. ___ .

thejonymyster

yea its not much LOL sorry i didnt mean to derail

nowhere else to say it though :P ill just file it under my lang name catalogue

Ginger

almost done

done!

lots of these are just plagarized but there are some good ones

> Dyalog APL is cool

no

there you have it @Adám

user

23:36

I'm having some trouble implementing a parser. I want to record the position of every AST node, and there are two approaches I'm trying/have tried so far:
- Record the position of the node inside the node itself
- Have an externally stored map mapping each node in the file to its position

The problem with the first approach is that it quickly becomes unwieldy, and if I want to check if something equals the literal 1, I'd have to implement an extra method that disregards the position of the node when checking for equality

Radvylf Programs

As in, using a struct for the node vs. a string?

user

However, the problem with the second approach is that the map needs to consider the identity of each node instead of using the equals method, because otherwise it wouldn't allow two literal 1s to exist in the same file

Radvylf Programs

I'd recommend using the struct, it'll come in handy later if (and most likely, when) you need more than just a string representation of each node

user

@RadvylfPrograms I mean, I'm using structs already

Radvylf Programs

Ohh wait yeah I see what you mean

Why not just .equals() the node.contents or w/e

user

23:40

Because there's no single list of contents, it's separate fields (like truthy and falsey for if expressions)

Radvylf Programs

Ah. Seems like .equals() for comparison is a bad idea in the first place then honestly

user

@user I guess I could add in a fuzzyEquals like what you're saying

Radvylf Programs

or any sort of fuzzy equals

user

@RadvylfPrograms That's what the Map class uses

How do you compare nodes then?

Radvylf Programs

You compare the parts of their contents that matter based on why you're comparing them

If you're in the part of the parser that handles like, boolean literals, as long as the node type is a boolean literal comparing the whole thing is wasteful anyway

user

23:42

That's what I need the .equals for

Radvylf Programs

No I mean like, if a boolean literal node looks like { type: bool_literal, position: ..., value: false }, you only need to compare the .value

user

Like in the tests for the parser, I need to ensure that 1 1 + is parsed as Cmds(Literal(1), Literal(1), Element("+"))

@RadvylfPrograms It gets complicated when comparing deeply nested ASTs though

Radvylf Programs

@user Oh if this is for unit tests then that makes sense I guess? Although you'd know the positions too

user

Yeah, it just gets mildly annoying

Radvylf Programs

@user Seems like it'd be a bad idea to do that in the first place outside of unit tests

user

23:45

I was going through the Scala source code and each node doesn't hold its own position, but it does hold a reference to the file containing it

Radvylf Programs

If a statement's like 10k operators deep you probably don't need to compare that whole thing

user

Oh the tests aren't going to be that big

Like 5 levels deep atm

Radvylf Programs

Yeah if it's for tests that makes sense I guess

user

@RadvylfPrograms You're right, I think I'll go back to storing the positions inside the nodes

Radvylf Programs

Although seems like it'd be way simpler to just include the right positions in the thing you compare for the test (that could catch issues with the positions too I guess)

user

23:46

Yeah

True true, bonus test

Ginger

well, using 250 pages didn't seem to give good results so time to run it with all 636

this can only go well

user

Everything is well if you lower your standards enough :P

Radvylf Programs

Tests are a part of programming I know basically nothing about though so take anything I say with a grain of salt lol

Ginger

@user and I hear every machine is a smoke machine if used wrong enough

Radvylf Programs

I'm thinking I'll use my next golfing language as an opportunity to practice adding tests since Ash was extremely buggy with a lot of edge cases due to the hurry I was in to implement all like 200 main operators

user

23:49

@RadvylfPrograms As if I know anything about them lol

Ginger

tests? never heard of em

user

My tests are usually assert(true) // todo implement

Radvylf Programs

I test my code by using it until it breaks

Ginger

I just make sure it kinda works and then send it off to GitHub

user

Yeah it's still testing if you put it into production and a human catches it

Ginger

23:50

if I find problems while testing I do the Ginger thing and sweep them under my rug

user

Why bother making a unit test when you can deploy your code and see the bug when your 125 pound robot falls 5 feet to the ground?

Ginger

in lambda.chat, May 25 at 16:08, by Radvylf Programs

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