The Nineteenth Byte

allxy

00:13

@RadvylfPrograms I helped with that too

Aiden Chow

00:39

I solved Semantle #68 in 70 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 7.03. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #53. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 74.33. semantle.novalis.org

kinda got lucky with that one, lol

lol my penultimate guess has a similarity of 74.33 while semantle says that the "nearest" word has a similarity of 67.45

actually too good

also i only have 5 top 1000 words :P

not including the solution

my path was roughly like spoiler

Unrelated String

@AidenChow was it a ???? or

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString ye it was

Unrelated String

nice

Aiden Chow

specifically, it was a misspelling of the actual word

Unrelated String

lmao

i just hit 299 on guess 3 and
it's not really helping

Aiden Chow

00:52

@UnrelatedString ye it probably wont be too helpful if u dont know how its connected to the answer, but i can definitely see how thats related to the answer

Unrelated String

neat

Radvylf Programs

01:37

Honestly this would be pretty cool

Like, imagine how excited you'd be if you were just chatting with someone and they used your word

"Yeah, just the other day I had to go get my bassoon waxed"
"No way, you know bassoon?"
"Yeah, played it since I was six. How long have you?"
"Oh no, I don't play it. I maintain the word bassoon."
"Oh wow! You're doing us a great service."

This fox seems like such a nice guy: youtube.com/watch?v=K9Mk2Aqk9Mw

allxy

ಠ_ಠ the canvas backend is logging to a file, which is triggering the vscode live server extension, which is causing a reload every time I place a pixel with logging enabled.

Okay apparently I should use a stream instead of appendFile

Except... I want it to be constantly logging, not just when the process ends...

I'll have it log 100 messages at a time.

Radvylf Programs

01:56

One issue I've run into before is that when a screen session ends, the process in it is killed immediately. No chance to log stuff. So definitely have an option to log to stdout so I can just use pipes for the production instance.

allxy

Okay... the problem with that I had was that it fricks up readline

Radvylf Programs

Daemonizing it would be the fancy way to do it, and then you'd make it communicate with a node script as the command console (which can die at any time with no consequences), but that's a lot of work

Maybe an option to make it print to stderr, so it can be piped with 2>>?

allxy

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I know virtually nothing about that sort of stuff but I'll add options to log to stdout and stderr

user

@RadvylfPrograms no, don’t demonize it! Why do people today demonize anything they don’t like? Demons!

You should demonetize it

Radvylf Programs

I run into this exact issue with NPSP currently, and it's also a node script, so maybe if I come up with a solution to it I can PR it onto canvas

allxy

02:05

Should package-lock.json go in my .gitignore?

(Now that I actually have some dependencies)

Radvylf Programs

Yes

att

02:42

I solved Semantle #68 in 52 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 13.54. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #19. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 26.40 (422/1000). semantle.novalis.org

nice

my #19 was 48

not very helpful

Steffan

03:07

my #2 was 48 lol

#13 was 781

haven't got it yet tho

there

I solved Semantle #68 in 121 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 21.56. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #2. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 67.45 (999/1000). semantle.novalis.org

i'm bad at it

once i got it in 6 tho

hyper-neutrino

03:27

Mar 24 at 3:50, by hyper-neutrino

I solved Semantle #54 in 4 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 26.92 (602/1000).My penultimate guess had a similarity of 52.08 (995/1000). https://semantle.novalis.org/

Steffan

smh

Radvylf Programs

03:52

I love old xkcds

Just stumbled across 104 and it feels so...it just has this early xkcd feel

Randall doesn't get existential or ^ enough anymore

And 101 has the other kind of early xkcd feel

PyGamer0

so today is my computer exam

10 marks MCQs and 40 marks for writing 4 programs

(let's hope I don't golf the programs)

Radvylf Programs

good luck!

PyGamer0

also my commit messages as very informative

Bubbler

Piet editor update: PNG export

3

Now this is something usable

PyGamer0

Radvylf Programs

04:08

My hobby: Finding people who apologize for their bad english in YT comments and saying kind and reassuring things to them

There's no punch line I just don't like it when people do that

allxy

Hello again

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms pretty sure vim is designed for large codebases where editing is more common than writing code (because its already written)

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms Agreed. (Also--wait, it's upside down? 0_0 I didn't realize b/c I previously saw it on ExplainXKCD.)

But yes, the early XKCDs are also full of... landmines, shall we say. =P

des54321

04:35

@RadvylfPrograms old xkcds are always amazing, I think my favorite really early one might be 105, you dont quite get them like that anymore

PyGamer0

my hand is paining from writing System.out.println

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler maybe u could make it so that u can set the program size to be any number of rows and columns, along with the buttons. so that u dont have to keep on pressing the buttons for bigger programs

PyGamer0

and we haven't learnt public static void main(String[] args)

Bubbler

Piet editor update: both PNG and SVG export are now supported, with better usability

@AidenChow Yeah, good idea

data URI is weird, when I try to save it from an <a> link it somehow gets truncated at 182 bytes

allxy

04:53

That's happened to me before...

Bubbler

fortunately I could use object URL containing a blob, which is actually easier than constructing a data URI

and TIL download="filename" property of <a>

PyGamer0

05:18

.... i hate this.. git refuses to store my credentials

what am i doing wrong

ok time to update my colorscheme

Unrelated String

05:29

got back to semantle after an extended break and uh
i have another top 1000
and it seems even less helpful

several things i've thought of related to 695 have negative similarity

never mind

I solved Semantle #68 in 69 guesses. My first guess had a similarity of 13.61. My first word in the top 1000 was at guess #3. My penultimate guess had a similarity of 12.24. semantle.novalis.org

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString 69 nice

Sandbox Posts

06:00

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

code-golfgridsimulation Simplified Piet Interpreter Background Piet is an esoteric stack-based programming language in which programs are images meant to resemble abstract paintings. To keep the challenge from being unnecessarily complex, you will not have to consider most of the colors, which de...

Aiden Chow

^ alr i put up a rough draft for a simplified piet interpreter challenge

lmk if there are any problems with it

i dont have much challenge writing experience lel

@Bubbler @des54321 and anyone else who is familiar with piet, any suggestions for my piet challenge? did i make it way too long?

allxy

CMegaC: Piet/any non-image-lang Hello, World! polyglot

Aiden Chow

@allxy ascii piet allowed or no ?

allxy

No. That's the hard part.

Has been done before

Aiden Chow

oh, well idk how image files are handled as text, so i wouldnt know how to do this lol

and i think the image format matters too?

allxy

06:15

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Unrelated String

any image file in a normalish format

maybe something about mainstream interpreters accepting it

Aiden Chow

i think the image format does matter, different image format store data in different ways, one image format may be better than another ?

@UnrelatedString oh yeah true, need to find a text-based language interpreter that somehow accept image files too

Unrelated String

just pass in the raw bytes

Aiden Chow

not too sure how thatll work

oh

eh idrk

PyGamer0

CMP: center or centre

Bubbler

06:22

PPM can be mixed with other kinds of text

Unrelated String

center

lyxal

centre

PyGamer0

CMP: meter or metre

allxy

metre

PyGamer0

your choices makes sense

but it doesnt make sense for both to exist

allxy

06:23

This is basically British English vs American English

Bubbler

My username ends with -er so center/meter

PyGamer0

yeah

Bubbler

Bubblre

4

PyGamer0

lmao

my username almost ends with -er

PyGamre0

lol

hypre-neutrino

pxeger

07:03

@PyGamer0 metre: unit of measurement; meter: to measure, or measurement device

allxy

-meter is a suffix meaning a measurer of something, I've never heard meter used as a verb

PyGamer0

anemometer

speedometer

3 metres away

makes sense

@pxeger what about centre vs center

pxeger

centre

meter

Noun: meter (plural meters)

(always meter) A device that measures things.
(always meter) A parking meter or similar device for collecting payment.
(always meter, dated) One who metes or measures.
(chiefly American spelling, elsewhere metre) The base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI), conceived of as 1/10000000 of the distance from the North Pole to the Equator, and now defined as the distance light will travel in a vacuum in 1/299792458 second.
(chiefly American spelling, elsewhere metre) (music) An increment of music; the overall rhythm; particularly, the number of beats in a measure.

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TIL SE chat has Wiktionary oneboxing

ophact

07:43

Feels like we're a lot less active than before

Adám

@pxeger You pointed at the verb form, and it shows the noun form. Great.

@ophact TNB has had a huge amount of off-topic babble about pixel art and word games, lately. That has scared me off.

ophact

Ah... the pixel art

~~maybe I should learn it~~

Unrelated String

come to think of it we should probably make a semantle room

ophact

That might be a good idea...

...I remember you having a different pfp

Unrelated String

i have had several

ophact

07:46

but not several unrelated ones ;)

Unrelated String

true

Aiden Chow

@UnrelatedString ya good idea

is it created yet?

Unrelated String

i can do it if nobody else has

ophact

go ahead I guess

I'm wondering if it would be considered on-topic for code-golf as a separate room

I guess discussion about it in the main room would still be tolerable

but making a room on code-golf for it might seem extreme

Unrelated String

oh looks like semantle is within the scope of the wordle room on math

so we could use that

$Mathematics$ Wordle/Quordle/Octordle/Nerdle/Semant…

For discussion about today's puzzles (spoilers!). A full list ...

2

ophact

07:54

so we chat there?

Aiden Chow

so we just gonna chat about semantle over there instead?

Unrelated String

suppose so

Aiden Chow

and wordle too?

allxy

qwordle looks hard

ophact

sounds good

I was replying to ^^^

pxeger

08:23

I think we should look at How might the Staging Ground & the new Ask Wizard work on the Stack Exchange network?, as the new feature could effectively replace the Sandbox

PyGamer0

@UnrelatedString i dont dle

@Adám yeah TNB has been quite off-topic lately

hyper-neutrino

08:41

@UnrelatedString Math.SE already has one if you want me to link it

nvm you already found it i scrolled past it to backread lol

pxeger

Funny that Stephen, despite not having posted in 10 months, still actively reviews posts all the time (and is one of the top site reviewers of all time)

Bubbler

@pxeger I doubt it can replace the sandbox, as only questions that would go to First Posts queue would hit it. At best both will live with each other.

pxeger

Yeah, once I've finished writing my current answer complaining about openness, I'm gonna write another one listing the things it would need to replace the Sandbox

with the conclusion being "This would need too much extra work to replace the Sandbox, so it probably won't"

New Posts

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Q: Average-ignorant sets of integers

Recently a friend of mine posed the following: What subset of the integers satisfies the condition if a and b are in the subset, their average is not in the subset? I know the set of non-0 squares satisfies the condition, but I wonder if there exists a more... dense set that satisfies the condit...

allxy

@pxeger Not really

The sandbox is used for much more than new users

Adám

08:59

0

A: How might the Staging Ground & the new Ask Wizard work on the Stack Exchange network?

first-time question Authors Does that mean that every user can only ever experience the staging ground exactly once? Maybe make it depend on how many well-received questions a user has under the belt? Maybe make it possible for a site to force all questions through the staging ground? Useful fo...

Also:

0

A: How might the Staging Ground & the new Ask Wizard work on the Stack Exchange network?

the needs of your site in this area It would be nice (e.g. for Code Golf) to have a customisable "must include [at least] one of…" for the tags field. Background: Code Golf uses certain tags to indicate post type, and every question must have exactly one of a mutually exclusive set of tags.

allxy

09:32

Ruining the fun

I looked up navigator.online and forgot it could be a webpage

Bubbler

10:10

Waiting for more voting and feedback on a new default I/O proposal

6

PyGamer0

10:45

@lyxal do you think i should start implementing the flax elements?

lyxal

yes

PyGamer0

11:11

i just realized i asked it in tnb lol

CMP: What should a, v, x do, dyadically?

@lyxal btw b is now for base conversion

it should work like apl's base conversion

pxeger

@PyGamer0 x: repeat

a: logical and

PyGamer0

@pxeger i have / for repeat and `` for unrepeat

pxeger

v: logical or

(mnemonic: ∨)

PyGamer0

thats ∧: and and ∨:or

current list github.com/PyGamer0/flax/blob/main/docs/elements.txt

@pxeger i suppose i can use that and save codepage space

@lyxal what do you think ^

Ginger

@lyxal how did you manage to get vyxal.pythonanywhere.com?

allxy

11:20

reserved iirc

Ginger

???

allxy

IIRC Lyxal created the vyxal account about a year ago

lyxal

@Ginger because not many people with projects called vyxal use pythonanywhere

Ginger

not what I meant but I just answered my own question so eh

PyGamer0

pygamer0.pythonanywhere.com

^ its still online lol

Ginger

11:22

does anyone have spare server space? I want to host a makina web ide

PyGamer0

use gh pages

allxy

What's it written in, and what's your raspberry pi doing?

Ginger

the pi hosts local projects, but can't be a server due to personal reasons

gh pages is frontend-only and makina is written in python

(sure, I could port it to JS but... why the hell would I)

pxeger

use something like heroku or google app engine or pythonanywhere?

allxy

Use pythonanywhere then :P

pxeger

11:24

all (can be) free

allxy

Or use webassembly python /hj

Ginger

what is this "webassembly python" of which you speak

PyGamer0

pyodide

allxy

dso.surge.sh/#python-pyodide

Give it a few seconds to load

Ginger

huh

allxy

11:26

pyodide.org

Ginger

now that I can get behind

Makina is no-deps pure python

so it should be plug&play!

allxy

Even if you have dependencies, should mostly work with those, you might have to do a little config though

lyxal

@Ginger you sure?

youtube.com/user/30secondsforkill

I thought that was Makina

Ginger

uhhhhh

makina (should be lowercase, I misspelled it) is a cell-based 2d ~~form of torture~~ esolang that I made, named after the Katlani word for "machine".

allxy

o/, slep

Ginger

11:30

/o\/o\/\/o\/o\/\\//\\/o/\o/o\o/\o/

PyGamer0

CMP: What should dyadic x do and monadic Ċ do?

pxeger

Ċ should choose one item from a list at random

PyGamer0

nice idea

Ginger

x for splitting things

(if you don't have that already)

PyGamer0

11:48

i have that already

anymore ideas?

Ginger

dividing lists into even chunks?

PyGamer0

even chunks?

Ginger

yes

or maybe flattening lists?

PyGamer0

@Ginger wdym

@Ginger thats F

Ginger

@PyGamer0 given a list, return a list of every item in that list grouped evenly together

waity no

that is stupid

PyGamer0

12:00

> dyadic

Ginger

lemme think of something else

merge two lists?

PyGamer0

how?

Ginger

like adding them together except it doesn't duplicate items and preserves item positions

wait no

also bad

how about difference between two lists?

Radvylf Programs

12:46

Morning pogchamps

lyxal

No.

Just. No.

I can handle usage of the word "pog" but not like that

Radvylf Programs

This sus is on fleek my guy

lyxal

Stop writing sentences that don't need to exist

those words don't need to go together

Radvylf Programs

I'm going to do a four hour long stupid test soon

I will be in lecture hall 2 if anyone wants to join me

lyxal

Let me just go board a plane to come over and participate with you

Radvylf Programs

12:50

No need I'll send my private gyrocopter

lyxal

when will it arrive?

Radvylf Programs

I just invested in military-grade mid-air refuelling and afterburners thanks to a missing lock at the local air base, so 2.5 hours or so

lyxal

Well that's no good.

2.5 hours to get here, 2.5 hours back, that's 5 hours

Radvylf Programs

Nw, the test starts at 9:30

lyxal

dumbass it's 10:51

test started an hour and twenty minutes ago

Radvylf Programs

12:51

Well, 12:31 in your timezone then

lyxal

tf kinda test do they hold at midnight?

Radvylf Programs

What time will we end this iteration of canvas today?

I won't be online to do it for about 8 hours

lyxal

now o'clock?

Radvylf Programs

@allxy Is that fine?

lyxal

(they won't respond)

(they're asleep for the night)

Radvylf Programs

12:53

Aight, I'll shut it down now.

It is done.

Anyway, gtg now or I'll miss the sus buis

lyxal

you were doing so well

Radvylf Programs

o/

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms hyper-neutrino epicly trolled by flipping his logo backwards

Gold Farmer Sprow

13:37

sup it's radvylf on a school laptop

Luckily we'll all get to leave the room early if everyone here finishes the test. And don't worry, there's only 72 of us in the same room

So I'll be here for five hours or so

Gah this thing has an Fn key in the bottom left instead of Ctrl

Kept wondering why Ctrl+Bksp wasn't working

lyxal

why don't you go ctrl+bksp some women?

Gold Farmer Sprow

Because that's murder lyxal

lyxal

it's only deletion of bits

everyone knows women don't exist

Gold Farmer Sprow

I wish I'd remembered you're allowed to read when you finish, I'd have brought a book

Ooh, I forgot how cool GFS's identicon is

pxeger

@GoldFarmerSprow Are you normally allowed on SE chat in tests?

lyxal

13:43

shoulda brought a chromebook

Gold Farmer Sprow

@pxeger It hasn't started yet

pxeger

Fair enough

Gold Farmer Sprow

9:30 is when they start (no idea why they need to specify the start time so precisely for a test that's only taken in one time zone)

lyxal

It's 11:43 rn test started 2 hours and 13 minutes ago idiot.

Gold Farmer Sprow

Luckily so far the person who's supposed to sit two feet away to my left hasn't showed up yet

pxeger

13:44

You need to change the username of your sock. It's no longer an anagram of your normal username

Gold Farmer Sprow

Oh yeah, you're right

lyxal

no, he's pxeger

Gold Farmer Sprow

I've changed my bet for how long I'll take to 41 mins, to avoid a situation like last year

Where I bet 20 and took 21 like a total baka

We shoulda compromised on "hot moron"

PyGamer0

@lyxal you should go to sleep early today...

Gold Farmer Sprow

Instead of "not moron" over "hot moms"

lyxal

13:45

@GoldFarmerSprow but then it wouldn't be a portal 2 reference

pxeger

It's a 5 hour test, and you'll finish in 21 minutes?

Gold Farmer Sprow

Or put an exclamation after "moms" and it'll be "not moms!!! :o"

PyGamer0

i take 45 minutes on 1½ hour tests

Gold Farmer Sprow

@pxeger Yes, and you only need a 25% to pass

The STAAR test is a joke

PyGamer0

25% wth

lyxal

13:46

@GoldFarmerSprow that line would greatly change the plot line of Portal 2 lmao

pxeger

Is there anyone who takes anywhere near 5 hours?

Gold Farmer Sprow

Yes

pxeger

What is this test on

lyxal

paper.

Gold Farmer Sprow

English II. It's like 40 multiple choice questions and a 200 word essay.

PyGamer0

13:47

im am going to drink a glass of coffee

@GoldFarmerSprow bruh we have 350 words essays

pxeger

How do you write a (good) 200 word essay in 21 minutes?

Gold Farmer Sprow

I didn't, last year's was Biology

pxeger

I don't think I could write the same word 200 times in 21 minutes

Oh, fair enough

Gold Farmer Sprow

@pxeger It's online

pxeger

true

lyxal

13:48

@pxeger just create an essay plan before hand and memorise the frick out of it

Gold Farmer Sprow

And fear not, our english teacher only spent two months teaching us exactly how to do this specific test instead of anything useful

pxeger

@GoldFarmerSprow would you like an ebook

or is that not allowed

PyGamer0

tomorrow is a hard exam for me

Gold Farmer Sprow

Not allowed

lyxal

@GoldFarmerSprow how many pages is 200 words?

Gold Farmer Sprow

13:49

Like half a page

PyGamer0

^

but isnt that paragraph writing then?

oh wait those are like 80 words

Gold Farmer Sprow

I love how they're having us do online tests for some vaguely covid-tangential reason, yet they're sitting us two to a table half a meter from each other

lyxal

Imagine 200 words in 21 minutes

pxeger

I just looked at a past paper, and...

> 1 Nancy has not used the most effective word in sentence 4. Which word should replace have
to create a more effective sentence?
A carry
B accept
C manage
D enroll

> 1) Students, are you having a difficult time completing all the activities in
your schedule? (2) Teachers, are you exhausted from nonstop work? (3) You are
not alone. (4) Every day in schools across the nation, teens **have** challenging
classes, hours of homework, and extracurricular activities such as sports and music. [...]

This is English II?

In high school?

Gold Farmer Sprow

Yes, I swear it's just a copy-paste of the 3rd grade one

lyxal

13:52

what is the STAAR test for anyway?

Gold Farmer Sprow

These types of questions do exactly one thing IMO, and that's waste time for non-native speakers.

@lyxal It's what they use to determine how well schools are performing

lyxal

aha

we call that NAPLAN here

Gold Farmer Sprow

NAPALM would be cooler

lyxal

What would the M stand for?

Gold Farmer Sprow

National Assessment Program - Arithmetic, Literacy, Mathematics

pxeger

13:53

> 18 What is the correct way to write sentence 28?
F Best of all, they will be using the same system as 95 percent of the rest of the world, in turn this will contribute to safety, facilitate trade, and improve international communication.
G Best [...] world; in turn contributes to [...] communication.
H Best [...] world, which in turn will contribute [...] communication.
J Best [...] world. In turn will contribute [...] communication.

Does nobody find this patronising?

Gold Farmer Sprow

I'm pretty sure they just add that since the people over at the STAAR headquarters have the task of making a test so easy that basically nobody can fail it

Since if you fail the test you fail the grade

PyGamer0

i should try to increase my vocabulary in English during summer holidays

that sentence sounds wrong...

Gold Farmer Sprow

The STAAR test does too much. 1) it exists, 2) it's used to determine how well schools do, 3) it's used to determine who gets to pass and fail

lyxal

I'm glad I don't have to do things like that anymore

Gold Farmer Sprow

I'm of the opinion that, as with school lunch food, all of the Texas congressmen and senators should be required to sit down and take the test before we do

So they realize how stupid it is

lyxal

13:57

wait are STAAR tests the only thing that determines school quality?

Gold Farmer Sprow

Pretty much yeah IIRC

lyxal

yikes

The NAPLAN here is nothing like that then.

> NAPLAN tests are one aspect of each school’s assessment and reporting process and do not replace the extensive, ongoing assessments made by teachers about each student’s performance.

Gold Farmer Sprow

We are after all the great country(TM) that came up with NCLB

Where schools who are struggling get their budgets cut cause that'll do a real fucking good job at fixing the situation

lyxal

@lyxal this is taken directly from the NAPLAN site. This means that they explicitly acknowledge that this is just a tool to assist assessments

@GoldFarmerSprow just another reason I'm glad I'm upside down and not in the land of the free

Gold Farmer Sprow

> The test used to be developed by Pearson Education every school year, although the most recent contract gave Educational Testing Service a role in creating some of the tests,[1] under the close supervision of the Texas Education Agency.

I w o n d e r if we only still have to do this cause of the money

lyxal

13:59

but seriously though, the things I see on reddit on subs like r/mildlyinfuriating of school students posting their lunches and what you say about school life makes me feel sorry for y'all over there

pxeger

Schools which are struggling should have class sizes cut, and budgets kept (nominally) the same

Gold Farmer Sprow

How do you cut class sizes

You'd need to build another school

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