The Nineteenth Byte

lyxal

00:02

Ah yes, Cascading Style

my favourite styling language

"but lyxal didn't you already do a course on web development?"

yes

and for some reason, I'm doing another one that's completely different

also, turns out the campus wifi doesn't like github.io pages

oh boy using Java for the web. Can't wait to learn how to do that

Unrelated String

java applets are such an exciting new technology

lyxal

I know right

HTML5 sounds like it's a thing of the past

Like, we're in 2022 and they're only up to version 5

Radvylf Programs

You're going backwards. Soon you'll be learning all about the exciting new world of mainframes and terminals.

lyxal

you joke, but that could probably happen

Unrelated String

punched cards are going to revolutionize the textile industry, just you wait

Radvylf Programs

00:17

So will the steam engine

And imperialism

I just need 100 more words, hmm

Which is more than it seems like

lyxal

HTML stands for Hecking Tag-based Mind-hurting Language right?

Radvylf Programs

Yep

lyxal

good good

> Invalid htmls

I get what it means, but the terminology used is pain

Radvylf Programs

00:36

yes, I would like one html please

lyxal

valid or invalid?

Radvylf Programs

A little of both. I like to live on the edge.

or, as I should say, the Internet Explorer

3

lyxal

@user I understand you now

user

Hmmm

lyxal

This is unedited lecture content btw

Hey guys I now know how to best design response times for @user

this lecture is a fricking gold mine for username jokes

Radvylf Programs

01:01

Finished my paper

@lyxal lol 10 seconds?!

I think something like 2s is the maximum loading time you're supposed to have before you're at risk of people just leaving

lyxal

@RadvylfPrograms idk when this course was developed

caird coinheringaahing

Idk about y'all, but if something doesn't load in <1 second, I leave

user

01:50

> Where is the thing I am looking for
> Where have I been

> Short term memory
> Impatient

This actually fits me to a T lol

Aug 17 '21 at 12:37, by user

I will kill you if you tale it out of context

emanresu A

02:47

@DLosc I'm my own country, what do you expect?

Radvylf Programs

Well, my chaotic-neutral PvZ strat worked surprisingly well on survival endless

I threw in some cactus, a few winter melons, and cob cannons since they paired well with it

emanresu A

Anyone want to play Tanks?

Radvylf Programs

Unfortunately I got unlucky with two waves of gigagargantuars, and like ten at once, so I died in round 15

emanresu A

me when no idea what you're talking about

I know what PvZ is, but I've never played it :P

Radvylf Programs

Basically, I have a really weird strategy that definitely should not work but it surpriringly does. But then the really big scary boss thingies came in in huge waves and I died.

emanresu A

02:55

Okay

Unrelated String

f

@emanresuA i think like five years ago my half cousin may have played it during a dinner gathering but i know actually nothing beyond the basic premise of static defenses against linear waves of enemies

emanresu A

yeah

Unrelated String

i say linear to contrast with, say, a tower defense game
but i have no idea how they actually move

just assuming it's usually right to left

Radvylf Programs

The zombies move right to left in five or six lanes, yeah

Unrelated String

does the number of lanes change dynamically or is it just some games are 5 some games are 6

Radvylf Programs

03:07

There's five maps, three have 5 lanes and two have 6

Unrelated String

ah

Radvylf Programs

The ones with 6 have two lanes in the middle that are a swimming pool

It's a pretty fun game, would recommend. It's $5 on windows, or free on android/chrome os (though with ads, worth paying $2.5 to get rid of them)

Unrelated String

wait is it not some like
massive sprawling series
til

....also envisioning a grid with 5 rows is making me miss duelyst :(

Radvylf Programs

There's a PvZ 2 and I think a PvZ 3, but I've heard they're not that good and they both make you buy some of the plants with real money

Unrelated String

yikes

there's also like
a shooter?

Radvylf Programs

03:08

I think EA took control at that time

Unrelated String

f

Radvylf Programs

Okay I think the internet finally did it

My sense of humor is broken

I've just thought about the last 10-15 things I've laughed at, and if anyone were to ask me why they were funny I'd just stare blankly at them

Unrelated String

03:24

lmao

emanresu A

Best antifreeze message:

in talk.tryitonline.net, Sep 9 '16 at 16:48, by Dennis

@StackExchange Please don't ice me homie.

Radvylf Programs

Got some pretty crazy luck on my custom wordle thingy

lyxal

custom wordle?

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, implemented a small wordle myself

lyxal

is there a link?

Radvylf Programs

03:38

Not yet, it requests the word list from an nginx server I'm running on localhost, so it'd be a bit annoying to use

I'll put it on redwolfprograms.com

emanresu A

That reminds me, I made a really cool game on localhost:5501

Idea: globalhost

Radvylf Programs

redwolfprograms.com/words

There's not much in terms of UI, just start typing

emanresu A

That was hard

And that was lucky

Radvylf Programs

I'm also really impressed I managed to make it look this visually plain with just 10 lines of CSS

lyxal

hmm yes

emanresu A

03:51

Was stuck for ages on that last one

lyxal

finally

one in three

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms as usual, no mobile support

Unrelated String

gray for letters that are present but misplaced is kind of confusing

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms what the shit

emanresu A

Unrelated String

03:57

emanresu A

Array.prototype.fill = function(v){
  console.log(this)
  return this.map(_ => v)
}

Unrelated String

lmao

lyxal

@UnrelatedString at first I thought duelyst was a yugioh online thing but turns out I was wrong

DialFrost

sup guys

Unrelated String

@lyxal 🤔🤔🤔🤔

DialFrost

04:08

i added new puzzle to sandbox

Unrelated String

this one was
familiar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370706428190654464/945894702232797214/unknown.png

DialFrost

this time, i changed it

Unrelated String

can you really not make images display in a multiline message

DialFrost

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Directed Acyclic Word Graph A directed acyclic word graph (DAWG) is a data structure that represents a set of strings, often used as a compact way to store a dictionary. Each word starts from the source node and ends at the sink node. In between the source and sink is a network of nodes, connecte...

sandbox is 299k views now! 1k more to 300k!

oh wow

Aiden Chow

@DialFrost oooooooooooof -2

DialFrost

04:12

ppl hate me

:(

Aiden Chow

idk why your posts keep getting downvoted

maybe it's because of the output format, idk

lyxal

@UnrelatedString just don't send multiline messages then. Easily solved

Also, fun fact: holding shift and pressing enter on an ipad on chat will make a multiline message

Unrelated String

you can hold shift on an ipad?

nice

wait my iphone lets me do that too holy shit

lyxal

That was basically my reaction too

Radvylf Programs

@AidenChow Well, I've downvoted about five because they're plagiarized from other places

lyxal

04:18

@UnrelatedString Unfortunately it doesn't work on Android

Radvylf Programs

@DialFrost No, they hate they you're basically stealing all of the drafts you're posting

My neighbor's cat has gotten super skinny recently :(

lyxal

At least it isn't morbidly obese

Radvylf Programs

He was a medium to large cat for the whole time I've lived here (about six years), but recently he's been getting skinnier and skinnier

He's literal skin and bones now

DialFrost

@RadvylfPrograms

Radvylf Programs

He looks like he's probably days or weeks away from dying

DialFrost

04:22

i have changed the output format and how ur supposed to answer the question

Radvylf Programs

I'm going to try to sneak some canned cat food to him, if I see him alive again. Chances are he's sick with something like kidney failure and going to die anyway, but I've heard starving is an especially awful way to go out

DialFrost

and someone said i shld take ideas from challenges and change the output and way to answer

I CHANGED IT, wat did i get? downvotes

Radvylf Programs

I think you're misunderstanding the advice a little bit

You shouldn't copy the challenge exactly and change the output format

You should take ideas from other challenges, and rewrite them in your own words, possibly with your own ideas mixed in

The downvotes aren't directed at you, they're just a way of saying that people don't think these challenges would be well received on main

DialFrost

ah, so your saying that the puzzles made by the community are bad

Radvylf Programs

No. I'm saying that people upvote challenges they think are interesting and unique. A challenge directly copied from another site is the exact opposite of that.

The challenges themselves are pretty good

DialFrost

04:29

i didnt directly copy

i changed it

i made it so u dont output the minimum number of nodes in the graph

i want them to output the graph itself (in a specfici way)

Radvylf Programs

But changing the output format is a pretty minor change. I think people care more about the fact that wording was copied, and that it seems like it's intended as a very low effort way to get rep (not at all saying that's what you're doing, but it's what I could imagine people seeing it as)

DialFrost

the concept is the same, not the challenge

and usually, the purpose of CG is to practice

not get rpe

so i'd prefer to keep to the practice side not the rep side thank you very much

Radvylf Programs

I know, and I get it. But I think that's why people are downvoting.

Bubbler

Actually you made it worse by changing the output from node count to some arbitrary string representation of a directed graph

(I didn't downvote yet, btw)

DialFrost

yet

and i made it easier bubbler

ur supposed to get the the graph in string so u count the length of it to output the no. of nodes

Bubbler

04:35

No, specifically on this site, outputting a formatted string is much harder (and generally adds unnecessary complexity) than outputting a number, period

DialFrost

sigh

Bubbler

(and counting the number of nodes does not require building an actual graph)

DialFrost

for me it does

Radvylf Programs

Challenge writing takes a lot of practice, I totally get wanting to use outside challenges as inspiration. I think people just want to see more of what you write rather than other people.

DialFrost

???

Bubbler

04:42

@DialFrost and that's why writing challenges is hard. You have to expect what people will come up (to some degree, at least) and check what kind of output requires/allows what kind of algorithms and approaches and what would work best

DialFrost

nothing works best for me tho

Bubbler

Then you need more challenge-solving experience first, rather than challenge-writing

Unrelated String

^

Bubbler

And if you want to write more algorithm-oriented (or math-oriented) challenges, try solving more of that kind and see how they're written

New Posts

05:02

0

Q: No Three In A Line Problem

How to make an algorithm of no-three-in-line problem? Without using a coding? I don't know how, please help me.

emanresu A

Nuke plz

Radvylf Programs

> Without using a coding?

lyxal

I take it no htmls either

Radvylf Programs

You're allowed a couple of htmls, they're not real codings anyway

emanresu A

is jsons a coding?

Radvylf Programs

05:09

depends

JSON's like plain text, whether or not it's coding depends on the application that's using it

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms huh, i thought posting challenges from other sites was allowed as long as you give credit. i guess i was wrong

emanresu A

It's more that these are exact copies or close to

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA so you can only take inspiration from other challenges, not copy?

emanresu A

I'm not quite sure how it works :P

DialFrost

@Bubbler i have challenge-solving experience not challenge writing

Aiden Chow

05:20

i found a meta post (but its a while back) that says (at least how i understand it) copying stuff is ok as long as credit is properly attributed: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/684/96039

Unrelated String

you have 17 answers : 24 questions

Radvylf Programs

@AidenChow Doesn't mean people will like or upvote it though :p

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms i guess thats true

lyxal

:thonk:

Bubbler

How to judge a person: look at their recommended videos list on youtube

Radvylf Programs

05:25

lol my YT recommendations have literally nothing to do with my IRL interests

Unrelated String

i simply don't watch things while logged in

lyxal

@lyxal the point here is that it's saying Big Shot is considered J-pop

Big Shot is not J-pop

hence the :thonk:

Radvylf Programs

@lyxal I mean, a morbidly obese cat would probably die of a heart attack or something similar. Not too painful. Starving to death on the other hand...

I mean, he's the size of a kitten now. He was larger than any of my cats a few months back.

Bubbler

I think sometimes the video with that thumbnail doesn't actually appear in the list, so... just ignore that, I guess?

Radvylf Programs

When you pet him you can feel each and every one of his bones

I'm sure he's not having a great time

emanresu A

05:29

:(

Bubbler

Also, youtube is the ultimate truth, Big Shot is J-pop if youtube says so /s

Radvylf Programs

Well YT has cateogrized a song I like into no less than 10 genres lol

emanresu A

Can I get the final delete vote?

lyxal

@Bubbler it's probably confused because of the Big Shot x Gangnam Style mashup I watched once

Bubbler

and Gangnam Style isn't J-pop either, it's K-pop

lyxal

05:31

If there's J-pop and K-pop, does that mean there's APL-pop?

8

Bubbler

I read as "apple-pop" and suddenly PPAP came into my head :/

Aiden Chow

could someone explain to me why do msgs need to be moved to another chatroom instead of just being deleted directly?

Radvylf Programs

You need mods to delete, ROs can move

Bubbler

^

Aiden Chow

@RadvylfPrograms sorry if this is a naive question but what is RO?

Radvylf Programs

05:35

Room Owner

We have italicized names, and some special privileges like moving messages out of the room and kicking users

Bubbler

The list of current room owners is here, btw

Radvylf Programs

E.g., the "room" dropdown for me looks like:

Bubbler

and they appear as italic usernames in chat

Radvylf Programs

TNB's ROs are elected by the community, caird, Adám, Bubbler, and I were added pretty recently

Aiden Chow

cool thx

lyxal

05:39

TIL APL function results can be introverted /s

DialFrost

06:11

ok i take it back @Bubbler

im not good at solving challanges

especially the CG ones

im not like neil

4068 answers 7 questions

Unrelated String

neil is like
the worst possible person to set your standard by lmao

Aiden Chow

lol im not that good with solving challenges either with any normal or golfing langs (even though i know python) so i just stick with desmos :D

DialFrost

i can solve challenges yes

but itll take me forever

so im basically the worst problem-solver here

Aiden Chow

@DialFrost hmmm maybe target some easier challenges that you can solve quicker, not the complicated ones

thats usually what i do

Unrelated String

easier challenges tend to already have excellent answers in popular languages, but you never know when you might figure something crazy out

and you can also try picking up something less popular

Aiden Chow

06:19

@UnrelatedString yeah, this

Unrelated String

including practical languages that simply aren't big here

Aiden Chow

ik that i cant compete with other ppl in python, so i just stick with desmos :P

DialFrost

i dont even know any other langs

i learn fast, but i get bored very very quickly

Aiden Chow

@DialFrost hmm idk, ig just keep looking for one that suits you

DialFrost

06:47

cant :(

Aiden Chow

@DialFrost well, thats what lyal and lotm are for

for ppl to learn new langs

mathcat

07:12

@AidenChow I read that as lyxal lol

@lyxal Your entire existence is to help people to learn new langs.

lyxal

That do be how it is

New Posts

07:27

0

Q: Draw an ASCII Volume

Given a volume level V in the range 1-10. Your program should draw the following ASCII art. When V=1: \ | / When V=2: \ \ | | | / | / When V=3: \ \ | \ | | | | | / | | / | / And etc. Trailing spaces are allowed. This is a code-golf challenge so the shortest solution wi...

code-golf ascii-art

pxeger

07:52

@cairdcoinheringaahing What do you mean by "ignore"? The challenge already says "You may choose whether to include the empty string as a possible output"

@cairdcoinheringaahing because I replied to a deleted message; I think you'd already deleted it when I replied

PyGamer0

08:18

@lyxal shoot doesnt work on android

lyxal

4 hours ago, by lyxal

@UnrelatedString Unfortunately it doesn't work on Android

It's almost as if I already made that observation

pxeger

@DLosc what's W?

lyxal

@pxeger W

Probably not the one Dlosc meant, but it's a W

pxeger

> Usually when you see a language having very concise code, you would either expect it to be 1) very hard to learn or 2) have a lot of abundant built-ins. Keg is a wonderful exception; check it out!

> Keg

lyxal

Yes.

This was way before vyxal

And when 2x-1 was still around

2x-1 made it and I helped contribute to it

StackMeterPlus

08:35

@RadvylfPrograms two tries for "ROATE"

ez

StackMeterPlus

08:50

@pxeger i looked at Keg

Aiden Chow

ok bruh i posted a python answer like an hour ago just to see how badly i would do, turns out ppl managed to cut my code down to 50% of its original length...

emanresu A

I found a quite clever approach in Vyxal

@AidenChow Btw, 94 based on alephalpha's by using print

Actually 92

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA oh didnt realize you can put a print function inside list comprehension like that

idek if i should edit these golfs into my post, its basically not even my answer anymore

emanresu A

09:07

@AidenChow Go ahead. I don't usually golf in python anyway :P

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA and yet you are still better at golfing in python than me :(

emanresu A

TIL Python's unary * operator has lower associativity than +

DialFrost

im back

emanresu A

I was messing around with this but sadly it's a bit longer

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA so * as in unpacking?

emanresu A

09:13

Yeah

DialFrost

anyone can propse any ideas for new challenges?

Aiden Chow

@DialFrost i got none

DialFrost

lol

Aiden Chow

if i had any, i would post challenges more often

but all the challenges ive posted to main received no answers :(

DialFrost

same

mine got downvoted in sandbox

so i had to delete

emanresu A

09:15

I'm an idiot

@AidenChow Here's 90 bytes

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA i literally have no idea what is going on anymore but thats amazing

emanresu A

Python's print prints stuff space separated

I've abused that

Aiden Chow

my post has so many strikethroughs 😂

and i think my answer is literally a port of another persons answer

yeah the pari/gp one

somehow got +3, idek how

duuuuuuuude someone else just golfed it down to 87.

3 hours ago, by Aiden Chow

ik that i cant compete with other ppl in python, so i just stick with desmos :P

i feel like i just proven myself true here

im just gonna stay with desmos at this point, python too competitive

emanresu A

86 (trivial) because python strings

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA :|

emanresu A

09:27

@AidenChow More that there are a lot of people who golf in python

DialFrost

i golf in python but i stink at it

Aiden Chow

@DialFrost saaame

DialFrost

at least u cld solve the acsii puzzle

i cant

Aiden Chow

nah, ive seen some of your other answers, they are really good

DialFrost

09:43

nah

ophact

@DialFrost You do have some pretty great answers

and I was wondering why you deleted some of your sandbox posts

Aiden Chow

@ophact probably because they had negative score

ophact

@emanresuA Wouldn't \/ be counted as / unless an r-string was used? I'm confused.

emanresu A

I'm not sure why it works but it works

ophact

let me see what `` combinations work.

emanresu A

09:45

You can't really type backslahses in chat

ophact

oops

\\?

`\`

Very weird

emanresu A

You can do this:

ophact

'\a' gives the unicode character with character code 7

Fmbalbuena

Hello

Bye

PyGamer0

o/

Aiden Chow

09:46

yeah what how does that backslash thing work

PyGamer0

\o

ok

emanresu A

Aiden Chow

if i add two backslashes as opposed to one it still output same thing

PyGamer0

CMP: ᐣ or ᵓ, which looks better for collecting items

@emanresuA ^

Aiden Chow

ok why is there so many different abbreviations?

what is CMP?

emanresu A

09:48

Chat mini ... poll I think

Aiden Chow

is there like an official list for all these abbreviations

PyGamer0

@AidenChow yes

Aiden Chow

@PyGamer0 where?

PyGamer0

36

Q: What are our specific abbreviations and terms?

Newcomers to codegolf.SE are often compelled to ask what many of our abbreviations and terms mean. Let us list them here so this information always will be easily available. Return to FAQ index

discussion support faq new-users chat

Aiden Chow

ok thanks

what the... why are there so many of them

emanresu A

09:50

@Fmbalbuena Please stop confusing them

@AidenChow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aiden Chow

who made all of these up

emanresu A

Can anyone confirm that this user profile has the main/meta account buttons and this one doesn't?

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA you mean the button on the top right

?

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA yes. i guess valorum doesn't have a network profile? not sure how that makes sense

emanresu A

Hmm okay

hyper-neutrino

09:58

oh nvm, i think valorum has this account hidden or smth

so you can't go to the network profile from it

StackMeterPlus

@emanresuA \

Aiden Chow

halfway to getting fanatic badge :D

PyGamer0

@pxeger remember this?

Dec 3 '21 at 15:57, by pxeger

How do I get F(x) + G(y) for monads F and G and dyad + (basically an APL fork) in Jelly?

well now flax has ᐣ to take care of that

so +FGHᐣ ←→ λ+F(G(H(⍵)))

emanresu A

/ \
\o/
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StackMeterPlus

10:16

@AidenChow what's that

lyxal

A badge you get for visiting the main site 100 days in a row

I'm 922% of the way to getting fanatic

7

StackMeterPlus

10:35

@lyxal ez

mathcat

11:41

@AidenChow Same :p

StackMeterPlus

i'm gonna see if i can put out another python 3 answer

Bgil Midol

11:58

CMQ: Chat room/Tutorial for MATL?

Ginger Industries

12:08

@lyxal I wonder if OLIMAR will get Fanatic

As long as my server stays up I see no reason why not

lyxal

has to actively visit main site

as in open a page on main

visiting chat doesn't get the badge

mathcat

Strange, how do you know?

experience?

sus

lyxal

no, that's just how it works

like getting fanatic on meta cg just for visiting chat doesn't seem logical

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