The Nineteenth Byte

Redwolf Programs

18:12

I wonder if Log4j is turing complete

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Might actually be kinda bad if it is, since the halting problem could be used to defeat WAFs, and it could lead to DoS attacks if infinite (or very slow to terminate) loops were possible

My server's missing out on all the fun, I had to shut it down for the next few hours

DLosc

18:35

@DLosc Now you're thinking with trains

Thomas Ward

yawns I think someone forgot to give me my coffee or morning breakfast pastries

Adám

@ThomasWard ☕🥐🥐

Thomas Ward

consumes

ANYWAYS how is everyone

grandBagel

@Adám I think I feel hungrier.

@ThomasWard Good.

Adám

@grandBagel And I offer you an APL?

grandBagel

18:42

@Adám Are APLs edible?

Adám

@grandBagel apl.wiki/apple

grandBagel

@Adám I prefer Py'n'APLs

Thomas Ward

unrelated: i hate when major vulns make everyone go insane in the programming/security world >.<

Adám

@ThomasWard Not everyone…

Redwolf Programs

@ThomasWard I love it

Adám

18:46

@grandBagel Today, a colleague suggested putting Py'n'APL on Tatin.

Redwolf Programs

IRL you rarely get to see things go really really horribly wrong all at once, whereas with major vulns you get to watch the world burn

Plus they're fun to read about

I'm probably going into cybersecurity in a few years, so this is the sort of stuff I like :p

And this one's not that significant, since Log4j isn't as widespread as, say, OpenSSL, so you get to watch the panic unfold without needing to make sure you're safe

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 Yeah, but that's a whole interpreter file. Vyxal's elements.py alone is larger than Jelly's full codebase

[text](link "hovertext")

(The hovertext is optional)

The "hovertext" is optional text that'll appear when you hover over the link

The link is where the actual link should go

grandBagel

Anyone who can crack this?

Finally it worked!

user

19:17

@RedwolfPrograms It’s still pretty widespread lol, we probably indirectly depend on it

Redwolf Programs

I uh...forgot to go back in and fix that

Hopefully the teacher doesn't look at it super hard

Thomas Ward

@Adám heh.

emanresu A

o/

Thomas Ward

19:33

@Adám well, I mean, I still hate it 'cause we on IT Security teams have to audit everything and do a ton of mitigations and stuff xD

and then attend all the security briefings xD

caird coinheringaahing

20:07

@RedwolfPrograms "Welcome Agent Tosh. Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is 'ur mum'"

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Redwolf Programs

:o I got one of my own challenges with the random questions script

caird coinheringaahing

20:49

This looks like a very good idea by SE: asking people to list "essential" userscripts so that it's easier to not break things with their JS updates

Redwolf Programs

Ooh that's cool

Should any of mine be listed? I'm thinking GRT

caird coinheringaahing

Not sure how widely used it is, but GRT would definitely be a nice idea. Maybe Custom Fonts?

pxeger

CMC: given a positive integer n, if n = 0 or n = 1, return -17, else return 0. Can you do better than -17*(n<2) in Python?

caird coinheringaahing

4 bytes in Jelly: insignificant, times -17

Redwolf Programs

Custom fonts is basically deprecated

caird coinheringaahing

20:53

Seems like something bitwise might work, given that ~16 = -17

Redwolf Programs

Userstyles work much better for that purpose, CF was mostly just a stand-in

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah, that's why I asked for something so boring and trivial because it feels like there ought to be a better option

Adám

@pxeger APL: ¯17×<∘2 or ¯17×2>⊢

caird coinheringaahing

Oh, and in conjunction with asking about userscripts, they are also asking about thoughts on an official API for userscripts

Redwolf Programs

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A: Essential Stack Exchange userscripts and the dependencies they utilize

Userscript name: Generic Review Tool (GRT) Primary audience: Reviewers Brief description: Automatically detects new review tasks and opens them in a new tab (a much lighter weight and actively maintained replacement for the older Review Stalker and Review Stalker Reloaded) List of objects/propert...

@cairdcoinheringaahing This is sooooo awesome

It's almost like the site plugins idea we'd had a while back, but much more feasible

Redwolf Programs

21:19

My suggestion: Reliable HTML/CSS and UI manipulation

@cairdcoinheringaahing Maybe someone should bring up the gradscript here

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Maybe. The gradscript is sort of getting more and more irrelevant as time passes, as it's not longe being maintained

Redwolf Programs

Oh, I really do need to make that leaderboard script I'd been planning...

caird coinheringaahing

Honestly, the only things jt still does are a different header, tags being green and a leaderboard on [code-golf] challenges

Redwolf Programs

This seems like an interesting challenge, but definitely unclear in its current form

Maybe printing the steps in some way would be neat

Redwolf Programs

21:44

That is a good euphemism for exploding: "rapid deterioration of characteristics and functions of customer systems". — trognanders 10 hours ago

lyxal

:D I can upvote and do cool stuff on SE on DDG for Android again!

@Adám hey hands off my stash! You can't just go stealing a man's croissant stash like that

Adám

@lyxal Those are Danish pastries.

Redwolf Programs

Not according to unicode

> Croissant was approved as part of Unicode 9.0 in 2016

lyxal

^

Searching for the emoji on ddg returns results for croissant

Redwolf Programs

It also renders as one, for me at least

lyxal

21:58

Same.

Redwolf Programs

That's a shiny croissant lol

lyxal

The fact that Adam denied the fact they were croissant makes me even more suspicious that my night stash of croissants is under attack by code golfers

Redwolf Programs

"Pastry" is golfier, I suppose

Adám

sacmi.com/en-US/food-beverage/Bakery-products/Danish-pastry

lyxal

@emanresuA @AaroneousMiller @user remember when we were discussing getting a domain for vyxal? Well I just remembered I'm part of github education and that gives free stuff (such as domain registration for a year) to students

vyxal.me could be plausible lol

Adám

22:03

vyx.al

lyxal

I don't think they'd be giving that kind of domain for free lol

Adám

It is only $18 a year.

Pretty cool domain, if I may say so myself.

pxeger

brb, gonna buy it and resell it to you at twice the price

Adám

Same price for lyx.al so you can make lyx.al/vyxal

or vyxal.lyx.al or vyx.al.lyx.al

lyxal

Well see I don't got money for paid domains lol

Jo King

22:30

@RedwolfPrograms looks like some sort of powerful bracelet

emanresu A

22:50

@lyxal Sure, as long as we can hold onto it - we don't want deprecated links

emanresu A

23:01

is BMG exist?

@lyxal AICMC?

lyxal

Not till 13 hours from now

emanresu A

Oh :P

Bubbler

23:32

Nice numbers

and my network rep is 69k

grandBagel

Nice

Redwolf Programs

vyx.al is too good of a domain not to go ahead and buy if it's available

I mean you can find $1.50 a month just by looking at the sidewalk as you stroll around

I'm considering buying it and prepaying for five years or so, then just transfering it over to lyxal with or without permission :p

Adám

Someone just began supporting me with $2 a month through GitHub sponsors. That covers my aplcart.info domain.

lyxal

I suppose I could finish setting up my own github sponsors account and see if that could work

All i have to do is finish writing the perks and stuff

Adám

Copy mine!

lyxal

23:54

nvm Stripe is being stupid

it won't accept the digital licence that is perfectly valid in my state as proof of identity

oh nvm I didn't see the continue anyway button lol

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