The Nineteenth Byte

PyGamer0

16:02

printitall: 4bytes, :🍺

Fmbalbuena

@PyGamer0 nope

PyGamer0

@Fmbalbuena why

Fmbalbuena

convert chars to X and don't look like bottle

XXXX

PyGamer0

oh waiy

Fmbalbuena

Only tabs to ~ are allowed

PyGamer0

16:07

Try it online!

Fmbalbuena

no footer or header because php minium size to do anything is 4 bytes

while python is 0 bytes

PyGamer0

@Fmbalbuena wat?

its a language i created just now

Aaroneous Miller

the header and footer is the interpreter for the language "printitall"

Fmbalbuena

PrintItAll

is not valid

PyGamer0

it is

it prints everything

its even TC

Fmbalbuena

16:09

because copy of this and this

@PyGamer0 TC? no, it's Total

hyper-neutrino

it's easily TC

PyGamer0

^

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino wdym?

hyper-neutrino

tio.run/##K6gsycjPM/…

lol

Fmbalbuena

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

16:11

printitall is just a lamer version of foo

mainly since foo can be implemented in god's own language (rust of course) rather than python

PyGamer0

in Saving TIO links for later, 34 secs ago, by PyGamer0

Print it all v2!

^ uses python 3.8 for :=

lol

@Fmbalbuena bet you those arent TC

Fmbalbuena

@PyGamer0 What arent TC?

PyGamer0

@Fmbalbuena text and quine

Fmbalbuena

@PyGamer0 oh

Aaroneous Miller

@hyper-neutrino Oh, hey, look at that, ACE

PyGamer0

16:16

@AaroneousMiller ACE?

Aaroneous Miller

Arbitrary Code Execution

Arbitrary code execution

In computer security, arbitrary code execution (ACE) is an attacker's ability to run any commands or code of the attacker's choice on a target machine or in a target process. An arbitrary code execution vulnerability is a security flaw in software or hardware allowing arbitrary code execution. A program that is designed to exploit such a vulnerability is called an arbitrary code execution exploit. The ability to trigger arbitrary code execution over a network (especially via a wide-area network such as the Internet) is often referred to as remote code execution (RCE). == Vulnerability types... ==

PyGamer0

@AaroneousMiller you just needed to give me the full form

Fmbalbuena

WHAT

PyGamer0

@AaroneousMiller actually you found a way to do ACE in an older version of Vyxal?

Redwolf Programs

Doesn't Vyxal have a "run as python" operator?

rues

16:18

Ye

PyGamer0

ok give me any english word and i will give its full form

Aaroneous Miller

@RedwolfPrograms It does, but I believe it has some sort of safety thing to prevent you from wiping the server or whatever

PyGamer0

@AaroneousMiller its disabled on the online interpreter

Redwolf Programs

@AaroneousMiller I'd hope there's some better sandboxing than that lol

rues

@AaroneousMiller It don’t run online do it?

Aaroneous Miller

16:19

@RedwolfPrograms lol nope

pxeger

@PyGamer0 and several in the current version...

Redwolf Programs

@AaroneousMiller Ferb, I know where we're mining bitcoin today

tjjfvi

@Fmbalbuena ><>, 104 bytes:

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

i do believe a codeblock format would be better

tjjfvi

\~~~~~~~~~|
!v@:@@:r0\|--|
!>go$1+:v^|  |
|/v?=x!e/0|  |
!v>~1+:7\r|--|
!<oa0;?=/^!
\________/

5

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

16:20

:)

tjjfvi

Seemingly only works in suppen.no/fishlanguage

rues

@RedwolfPrograms You could set up your own python anywhere sites more easily lol

Redwolf Programs

But that's less fun :p

(For legal reasons that's a joke)

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

hm I wonder why it doesn't work on TIO

i mean clearly it's due to ascii issues but

tjjfvi

It outputs nulls instead of spaces

Aaroneous Miller

16:21

Fmbalbuena

@tjjfvi YOU WON

tjjfvi

I think that's technically correct, according to spec

Fmbalbuena

because a lot of stars

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

ah, makes sense. arguably funnier like this but neat

Aaroneous Miller

@AaroneousMiller That ACEtest file was created in the Vyxal online interpreter

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

16:22

is that just the normal fish quine but wrapped in a loop of of pipes/slashes/underscores/tildes?

PyGamer0

@AaroneousMiller oh wat

tjjfvi

Pretty much

It needs special handling because of the newlines

rues

This is why the interpreter should be client side

Aaroneous Miller

@PyGamer0 I was testing the new ACE exploit I found a couple days ago :)

@rues ye

pxeger

@rues or, use an established-secure sandbox system like ATO ;)

("established", "secure")

rues

16:23

@pxeger too hard

Redwolf Programs

Or use an established and secure one, like RTO :p

rues

Python anywhere free so we use that

PyGamer0

i think i got a tacit system

Redwolf Programs

Locked down docker with runsc is OP

pxeger

ATO's free (for you)...

PyGamer0

16:24

copy APL's

rues

@RedwolfPrograms are you telling ud to run vyxal with rto or is tgere supposed to be a coma there?

Redwolf Programs

Comma

(Not a coma though)

rues

@pxeger Oh cool, are you thinking of adding vyxal?

Comas are important

Redwolf Programs

Vyxal will be part of the 35 that RTO is released with btw

rues

Noice

pxeger

16:25

@rues I started doing that, actually, and then got distracted and never finished it because I decided the Vyxal online interpreter was good enough

rues

Understandavle :p

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms Avatar Be like: @WhitewolfPrograms

Redwolf Programs

Do y'all like my christmas pfp?

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms ?

rues

There’s a new one?

Redwolf Programs

16:27

@Fmbalbuena My normal pfp is red

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms I paid that joke the correct amount of attention the first time

Redwolf Programs

Joke?

rues

😒

Redwolf Programs

@rues Nope, now it's a pawprint in the snow :p

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms in that it's exactly the same as the halloween one and you've been using it since october?

Fmbalbuena

16:27

/s

rues

Before, it was a paw print in the blood?

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger Yep, but that's not the joke, it's the context for a joke

@rues No, but I know what it'll be in February

rues

Don’t tell me, white again?

Redwolf Programs

Nope, blood

rues

Cool

hyper-neutrino

16:29

the red pfp has more positive associations than negative associations though. red is also associated with love and passion. because you know, color theory

Redwolf Programs

Maybe I'll switch to the Redwolf SMP one :p

rues

@hyper-neutrino hunger too

Redwolf Programs

Oops, that's big

rues

Depends on the shade of red tho

Alan Bagel

@RedwolfPrograms That's the legendary MinePaw

rues

16:31

The walls at my school used to look like dried blood, then they repainted them and they look ok now

PyGamer0

i might give this tacit a try

Redwolf Programs

Isn't dried blood mostly brown

Alan Bagel

@rues spooky

rues

@RedwolfPrograms idk

PyGamer0

@RedwolfPrograms reminds me of minecraft grass block

rues

16:31

I drink it before that

Redwolf Programs

@PyGamer0 I actually copied the exact colors from it yeah

rues

Redwolf is a minecraft addict

Redwolf Programs

No, it's an Object

Wait how did you go from "Redwolf is minecraft a dict" to "Redwolf is a minecraft addict" lol

rues

Hehe ruined ur joke lmao

@RedwolfPrograms ??? I edited it

Redwolf Programs

No I mean those are like totally different sentences lol

rues

16:34

I started out trying to type “redwolf is minecraft addict”

Idk how addict became a dict tho

My fingers are too fat for this tiny phone

hyper-neutrino

because ur bad at typing

rues

I gud at keyboard typing

I bad at eyesight

I should do nitrotype on my phone to practice actually

Also redwolf and hn, y’all should get back to school or uni or whatever

Redwolf Programs

Nah, I'm in CS right now

rues

Smh my head, y’all always in tnb instead of being productive

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms CS as in computer science not tear gas

rues

16:38

I don’t think you needed to clarify that lol

Redwolf Programs

Maybe I'm just in Riot Control 101 :p

rues

Omg are you a cop

Redwolf Programs

Yes you are under arrest for impersonating a TNBer

rues

Wut

You were soliciting illegally golfed code

I have done absolutely nothing wrong

Redwolf Programs

You forgot to ask if I was a cop, I'm legally required to say yes

tjjfvi

16:40

Btw @rues, do you want me to award the bounty in ~3 hours, or in ~5-6 days?

rues

Even my golfed code is so long it barely qualifies as golfed, so it’s all above board

@tjjfvi tge latter

@RedwolfPrograms i asked if you were q cop

hyper-neutrino

@rues i just finished my japanese class earlier and i am "doing homework" for my other class rn

Redwolf Programs

Gay bomb

The "gay bomb" and "halitosis bomb" are formal names for two non-lethal psychochemical weapons that a United States Air Force research laboratory speculated about producing. The theories involve discharging sex pheromones over enemy forces in order to make them sexually attracted to each other. In 1994 the Wright Laboratory in Ohio, a predecessor to today's United States Air Force Research Laboratory, produced a three-page proposal on a variety of possible nonlethal chemical weapons, which was later obtained by the Sunshine Project through a Freedom of Information Act request. == Background... ==

tjjfvi

@rues K. I'll try to remember, but if you could remind me when the deadline is getting close that would be great.

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms wtf

rues

16:41

The double quotes make me uneasy

@tjjfvi will do, thanks for the bounty!

Feel free to award it as soon as you want if you’re not sure if you can award it later :)

Redwolf Programs

> It appears that a 'heavy sweating bomb', 'flatulence bomb' and 'halitosis bomb' were also considered by a committee at the time.

> 'flatulence bomb'

rues

@RedwolfPrograms their great plan to defeat the enemy was…to make them fall in love with each other? Wut??

hyper-neutrino

make love not war, as the saying goes

rues

@RedwolfPrograms at that point it’s cheaper to just walk over, fart, and detonate an explosive yourself

@hyper-neutrino they weren’t even guaranteed to fall in love tho

Who approved this lol

Aight time for me to go put splinters in my hand again o/

hyper-neutrino

what

pxeger

16:48

??

Aaroneous Miller

Sounds like an enjoyable pastime, to be sure

rues

No

Razetime

rues are you ok

Redwolf Programs

Sounds like a messy and inefficient way to get your tetanus booster but ok

Fmbalbuena

17:05

Hello. who there?

Redwolf Programs

CMQ: Should [0, 0] be truthy or falsy?

I'm thinking truthiness for an array should be based on whether it has any truthy items

Is that a good idea?

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms falsy

Redwolf Programs

Should a string of null characters be falsy?

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms truthy because the length is 1.

Redwolf Programs

Idk, I'm thinking I should use the same rules for strings

And make null bytes falsy

Or should I just make all non-empty strings truthy

Fmbalbuena

17:13

@RedwolfPrograms true

Redwolf Programs

Should a dict with no data in it ({}) be truthy or falsy?

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms Truthy

Redwolf Programs

Wait really?

Why?

Fmbalbuena

Because if the list contains something then it's truthy

Redwolf Programs

Not lists, dicts/maps/objects

With nothing in them

Fmbalbuena

17:19

but i think about implementing, not python.

Aaroneous Miller

17:40

@RedwolfPrograms new posts ded?

Redwolf Programs

Uh oh I hope not

@NewPosts STATUS

Ah frick

Aaroneous Miller

0

Q: Challenge: create a large number using an esoteric programming language

I enjoy large numbers and esoteric programming language, so I decided to combine them into a programming challenge. Your goal is to return the largest number possible in the shortest amount of code. Rules You must use an esoteric programming language. See here for a list of banned languages. Your...

^ dupe?

Redwolf Programs

Odd that NP/SP were last seen a minute ago

@NewPosts STATUS

Whatever happened literally just happened

Oh wait, NP/SP were just seen?

But they're not responding

Should casting a dict to a number return its size?

Fmbalbuena

sorry don't see that.

Aaroneous Miller

Fmbalbuena's About page: Languages I Don't Like - Vim

Me: And I took that personally.

:p (nah, it's cool if you don't like it, I get it)

Fmbalbuena

17:56

@AaroneousMiller i edited about. have fun.

Aaroneous Miller

ono

Fmbalbuena

@AaroneousMiller ono? what is ono?

Aaroneous Miller

oh no

Fmbalbuena

JK.

Aaroneous Miller

:P

Fmbalbuena

17:58

edited.

see that again

-1

Q: Challenge: create a large number using an esoteric programming language

I enjoy large numbers and esoteric programming language, so I decided to combine them into a programming challenge. Your goal is to push the limits of esoteric languages like BF or Pyth and return the largest number possible in the shortest amount of code. Rules You must use an esoteric programmi...

code-golf math code-challenge busy-beaver

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ VTC as dupe

or FTC as dupe

Aaroneous Miller

@Fmbalbuena :D

Fmbalbuena

@AaroneousMiller you are third

Aaroneous Miller

:D

Fmbalbuena

FGITW

@AaroneousMiller

0

A: Challenge: create a large number using an esoteric programming language

Gol><>, 18^18^18^18 >99+99+99+99+XXXo; Try it online!

Redwolf Programs

Those three messages in a row should probably only have one starred

@Fmbalbuena You shouldn't answer questions that should be closed

Fmbalbuena

18:12

@RedwolfPrograms but uhhh why?

Redwolf Programs

consensus

> I think it is in bad spirit to answer a question you believe should be closed, whether it is a duplicate, unclear or other. The intention of closure is to stop new answers so the question can be fixed. By answering you are acting to undermine the benefits of closing the question.

Fmbalbuena

why?

@RedwolfPrograms how many close votes the user do?

Redwolf Programs

What do you mean?

Fmbalbuena

how many user VTC this question.

Redwolf Programs

Two so far, but you seem to think it should be closed since you left a "Does this answer your question?" comment

Fmbalbuena

18:17

ok so i can ~~hyperping~~ nope.

Binary198

18:29

hi

Fmbalbuena

@Binary198 hi

Binary198

i wrote the "create a large number using an esoteric programming language"

Fmbalbuena

@Binary198 yeah

Neil

@AlanBagel Charcoal, 3 bytes: ‽№γ

Fmbalbuena

@Neil LOL errors when ¿ Try it online!

and fails a newline

Neil

18:41

@Fmbalbuena since when is that printable ascii?

Fmbalbuena

(no message here)

Neil

also, charcoal has... interesting input handling, so a raw newline is tricky

["\n"] works I guess

Fmbalbuena

(still no message here)

I got this message: "You have reached your question limit" in SO. what i do?

Alan Bagel

@Fmbalbuena Maybe see stackoverflow.com/help/question-limited? (Not sure if this the problem)

Fmbalbuena

@AlanBagel no, not

i asked two bad questions

and good one

Thomas Ward

18:49

@Fmbalbuena what's your rep level? Are you below the cutoff for 'new user' restriction lifting?

Fmbalbuena

@ThomasWard i have 53 rep

Thomas Ward

i'd ask a mod to take a look then, or post on Meta.SO about it. Only mods on the site will have an insight to what's up on your account.

Fmbalbuena

My good one is here

Thomas Ward

generally speaking though, your 'question limit' might be a question ban / question posting restriction that you need to ask SO mods about

(TNB is not where SO mods hang out)

Fmbalbuena

yeah

Thomas Ward

18:51

but if it's system imposed you're stuck because not even mods can do anything about it

Fmbalbuena

@ThomasWard main SO chatroom?

emanresu A

@DLosc Your programming language quiz answer got a auto-VLQ flag

@rak1507 those are monads.

Thomas Ward

@Fmbalbuena or a meta.so post.

i usually try to NOT prod mods on minor inconveniences unless it's an emergency situation

(and I have other ways of prodding SO mods lol)

Fmbalbuena

Ok but meta.so is down

DLosc

@emanresuA :(

Fmbalbuena

18:57

ok so don't talk so i have to gtg now.

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@emanresuA lmao i remember reviewing so many short answers that popped up in that queue, i wonder what the current stats for flags for each type are

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms falsy

pxeger

@emanresuA someone should make a userscript that, when the review queue is left open, auto-approves every post

Alan Bagel

@pxeger lol

pxeger

since it's so rarely accurate

Redwolf Programs

19:03

@pxeger Oh, so half the people reviewing on SO? :p

pxeger

lol

Redwolf Programs

That would be a bad idea though, since that's also where legit NAA/VLQ flags go

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

i remember there was a post on meta about adjusting VLQ flags

Redwolf Programs

I like the free reviews :p

emanresu A

@DLosc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :P

Redwolf Programs

19:11

I love how there's a legit wikipedia article featuring a gif of a cartoon cow being squished into a sphere shape

hyper-neutrino

at least with naa / vlq ppl get free reviews out of it

the ones like excessively long or too many answers can only be handled by mods and fortunately it doesn't matter on this site but that's a waste of mod time lol

emanresu A

o/

Redwolf Programs

19:55

What should converting a number to a dict do?

I'm thinking {n: n}

And what should stringifying a dict do? Not the "fancy" stringify, this is like a "rough" stringify. E.g., arrays are joined by "".

Should I just sort the dict's items by their keys and join by ""?

That could actually be useful for golfing some stuff

Alan Bagel

@RedwolfPrograms Number to dict should be {1: 1, 2: 2, 3: 3, ..., n: n}

Redwolf Programs

Thing is, that would be inconsistent with my handling for arrays, which is just [n]

If it was [1, 2, ..., n - 1, n], I'd do that

Fmbalbuena

20:18

CMQ: why This is cursed

Redwolf Programs

Try not to ping random users when you have a question that isn't directly relevant to them

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms ok so you can fix?

Redwolf Programs

I can't go to TIO from my school's wifi, sorry

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms oh ok

code is print((lambda: __import__("sys").stdout.write('Hello, World!'))())

and prints Hello, World!13

DLosc

What did you expect it to do?

Fmbalbuena

20:23

printing inside lambda function

i'm trying to do one-liner

DLosc

Why not just use print in the lambda function?

Fmbalbuena

@DLosc oh sorry i'm trying to do but won't work

@DLosc Try it online!

ok so the hard part is while loops.

hyper-neutrino

i don't understand what you are trying to do

DLosc

I'm really confused about what you're trying to do here... (ninja'd)

hyper-neutrino

why can't you just print normally

Fmbalbuena

20:25

@hyper-neutrino `print inside lambda function

hyper-neutrino

that still doesn't explain anything

lambda x:print(x) ??

lambda:print("Hello, World!")

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino but without newlines

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

python doesn't allow while loops inside lambdas

hyper-neutrino

lambda x:print(x, end = "") ?

lambda x:print(end = str(x)) ?

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

for loops can be done via list comprehension but not while loops

Fmbalbuena

20:26

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ yeah but i'm trying to do

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

it is not possible to recreate one

hyper-neutrino

while loops can only be sort of simulated using recursion in some cases but you can't do real while loops and you're better off either using comprehension or just programming normally

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

python (3 at least) doesn't let you readjust the iterator variable in the loop like some langs so

rues

You could use eval if that counts

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

eval never counts :/ lmao

Fmbalbuena

20:27

@hyper-neutrino or better itertools

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

itertools and abusing lambdas should not be included at hte same time

Redwolf Programs

Do Python's array comprehensions work with generator functions?

(If Python has those)

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms yes

Redwolf Programs

?

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@RedwolfPrograms yes

DLosc

20:30

@RedwolfPrograms I think so, if I understand what you mean

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

pretty sure that errors if it attempts to loop forever

i remember trying it once

Redwolf Programs

Oh

hyper-neutrino

yeah using eval for oneliners is 100% cheating cuz like

otherwise there's no point

Fmbalbuena

stop talking

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

???

Fmbalbuena

20:30

because i'm trying to do

Redwolf Programs

I know with JS you can use generators in for..of loops (the closest thing to array comprehensions other than .map) to make infinite loops, but generators are really weird in JS and so are for loops lol

Though you can just do for (var x of arr) arr.push(1); in JS lol

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

huh. apparently generators work in python2 and 3 both

DLosc

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ I don't think it errors, it just loops forever

Fmbalbuena

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ I can. i can do infinite loop using lambda

Try it online!

Redwolf Programs

Wish I could use TIO, I feel like I'm missing out lol

Fmbalbuena

20:33

@RedwolfPrograms why you can't use TIO?

Redwolf Programs

School wifi

Fmbalbuena

what happens if you use TIO?

security?

Redwolf Programs

It's just blocked

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

from what? lmao

Redwolf Programs

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

20:34

what wifi blocks it

Redwolf Programs

School

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

wack

Redwolf Programs

I'm like 90% sure it's because of the word "brainfuck"

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

@DLosc I could've sworn it used to throw an error

but i'm tripping apparently

Adám

20:35

Can you use
https://eu-browse.startpage.com/av/proxy?ep=4b42594658673836486c3061476c674454547074645259465446306d554231485042465965486435526c38455677636b566c5a5254334a4d537a5971644570515842686e4531735347316465576d49744e78384941426b7946676c4754674a6457324d714e68315a44526c775630744a4d47417a5242305053564d6966477776626e6c52546e425044525a7463317451414277795231744652414a63444751754d306c594142396e46513857535146594444636f4d786f50435268775631415245464658576a4d35617730645331707245673d3d&ek=537974744s436p57497n683066545271506p4n4p&ekdata=edfe07681fcc8a7eb9f6cc5c044223e6

Redwolf Programs

No

Adám

:-(

Fmbalbuena

still blocks?

@RedwolfPrograms brainfuck

why not blocking?

Redwolf Programs

Because of our good friend HTTPS :p

Fmbalbuena

then tio.run/…

why https removed

@RedwolfPrograms can you use this

Redwolf Programs

20:40

Nope

I've done it before though

(At home)

Fmbalbuena

do you win

Redwolf Programs

Can't remember how many I got right

DLosc

@Fmbalbuena Scored 1200 just now. Lost two of my five lives because I couldn't distinguish among different TeX dialects. Pretty miffed about that.

Fmbalbuena

@DLosc i got 1500.

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

lolcode is one? lmao

Aaroneous Miller

20:54

lol

Fmbalbuena

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ ?

Rɪᴋᴇʀ

it's a lang in that quiz

Fmbalbuena

@Rɪᴋᴇʀ LOL coding

pxeger

TIL about the "Firing Squad" Synchronisation Problem

Firing squad synchronization problem

The firing squad synchronization problem is a problem in computer science and cellular automata in which the goal is to design a cellular automaton that, starting with a single active cell, eventually reaches a state in which all cells are simultaneously active. It was first proposed by John Myhill in 1957 and published (with a solution by John McCarthy and Marvin Minsky) in 1962 by Edward Moore. == Problem statement == The name of the problem comes from an analogy with real-world firing squads: the goal is to design a system of rules according to which an officer can command an execution detail...

DLosc

@Fmbalbuena 2600 on the second try, but I got some of the same questions again which made it easier.

pxeger

20:58

@pxeger might make a good code golf problem, in fact

Fmbalbuena

@DLosc essay

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