The Nineteenth Byte

Niko

00:00

sign*:=-1

or something like that

nice internet

lyxal

Chat do be like that tho sometimes

hyper-neutrino

@LeakyNun _@/ ?

snail

Leaky Nun

yeah

caird coinheringaahing

Welcome to the seventh Learn You A Lang For Great Good! Today, we'll be learning Zsh, a Bourne Shell derivative that's used semi-frequently around the site. Feel free to ask questions about Zsh, post CMCs ("ZMC"s) related to the language, and just discuss the language in general. TIO.

Unrelated String

wait

@hyper-neutrino ḅ-?

hyper-neutrino

00:03

⁽-R in vyxal then

@UnrelatedString oh

that's clever

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal legit thought you meant like. in class or something

hyper-neutrino

ofc it's base conversion again lmao

Unrelated String

lmao

everything is base conversion

Leaky Nun

@UnrelatedString nice

caird coinheringaahing

Huh, looks like I've posted the "welcome" message for each of the odd numbered LYALs :P

lyxal

00:04

@cairdcoinheringaahing what's funny is that I don't have any classes until February next year

hyper-neutrino

it's all about that base

lyxal

No treble

Fmbalbuena

ZMC: print this challenge

Unrelated String

i was just trying to think of if there was some basic apl idiom i might vaguely remember having seen in passing

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal wait, what're your term dates?

Unrelated String

00:05

yeah wait what

oh wait it's probably like a summer break analogue because australia southern hemisphere

caird coinheringaahing

oh right

summer christmas

lyxal

Mmhmmm

Summer break go brrrr

Technically it starts next week, but final exams were 2 weeks ago

Unrelated String

oh yeah i forgot it literally is summer and not a warm season called winter

caird coinheringaahing

I have 3 1/2 weeks left, then no classes until Feb

lyxal

I literally have 104 days of summer vacation before uni comes along just to end it

Unrelated String

00:06

because seasons are named according to actual weather and not the calendar

caird coinheringaahing

But I kinda have. like. 50% of my grade to be determined in Jan exams

Thomas Ward

> summer break

Unrelated String

damn

Thomas Ward

where in the universe are you @lyxal that it's summer?

Fmbalbuena

@Fmbalbuena 30 bytes Try it online!

Thomas Ward

00:06

'cause its cold here

hyper-neutrino

1 min ago, by Unrelated String

oh wait it's probably like a summer break analogue because australia southern hemisphere

Unrelated String

> australia southern hemisphere

lyxal

@ThomasWard upside down land

hyper-neutrino

take a guess :P

Thomas Ward

ah so Earth ^ -1 then :P

hyper-neutrino

00:07

nice try, lyxal. australia doesn't exist

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino Dang it stop exposing me like this

caird coinheringaahing

no, its finland that desn't exist

and wyoming

nitsua60

Svenborgia.

(Sorry, I'm a dad of three so, yes, I'm just catching up on 15 year-old sitcoms.)

Thomas Ward

here's a thought: what if nothing exists and we're all just part of one gigantic construct in which our minds are just floating entities that have their own perception of reality, but reality is a lie?

shows self out for breaking the world

Unrelated String

@nitsua60 i genuinely have no idea what you're referencing

caird coinheringaahing

00:09

Uh oh, the non-CGCC mods outnumber the CGCC mods

nitsua60

30 Rock

Unrelated String

ahh

nitsua60

@cairdcoinheringaahing You didn't get the message about the hostile takeover?

caird coinheringaahing

Are we about to be invaded and turned into a Q&A site about Code Golf?

5

nitsua60

It's on the starboard, after all =D

lyxal

00:09

@lyxal ‏‏ɹ‏‏ǝ‏‏p‏‏u‏‏n ‏u‏ʍ‏‏‏o‏‏p‏ ‏p‏‏u‏‏ɐ‏‏l ‏ǝ‏‏‏ɥ‏‏‏ʇ‏ • ‏ɐ‏‏ᴉ‏‏l‏‏ɐ‏‏ɹ‏‏ʇ‏‏s‏‏n‏‏∀‏ to be more accurate

caird coinheringaahing

@nitsua60 Ah shit, I threw that out. Thought it was a misspelt notice about the stock exchange smh

@nitsua60 Oh god, is 30 Rock 15 years old?

nitsua60

We meant it to look like a proxy ballot for the annual meeting. Guess we missed the mark by a bit.

caird coinheringaahing

I only just got over the fact that Futurama got greenlit and cancelled (for the first time) before I was even born O.o

nitsua60

@cairdcoinheringaahing 2006-2013, it looks like. I'm only on season 2, though, so let's keep the decade-old spoilers under wraps, please =)

caird coinheringaahing

@nitsua60 I'll try :P

Speaking of decades old shows, I just started watching my first anime: ATLA :P

Currently on episode 5 :P

nitsua60

00:14

I just started that a while back, too =D

Unrelated String

lmao

hyper-neutrino

nitsua60

(My 9 year-old is walking me through it.)

Unrelated String

atla is quite good

Fmbalbuena

CMQ: CCGC vs CGCC?

hyper-neutrino

00:15

@cairdcoinheringaahing reinforcements have arrived :p

Redwolf Programs

@Fmbalbuena Nobody says CCGC :p

hyper-neutrino

Coding Challenges and Golfing Code

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino while I'd never want the circumstances behind it to happen, I would love to watch an all out "mod-vs-mod" war, where y'all try and do whatever to stop the other mods from banning/nuking/whatevering you :P

Fmbalbuena

@RedwolfPrograms ok what is CCGC?

Thomas Ward

sits on the sidelines and watches the battle while eating popcorn

@Fmbalbuena a failure to type properly.

Fmbalbuena

00:16

@hyper-neutrino Answered.

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena A typo

lyxal

@Fmbalbuena vtc as dupe of another conversation

The site acronym has too many letter c's

Jan 6 at 5:52, 4 hours 5 minutes total – 10 messages, 7 users, 3 stars

Bookmarked Jan 6 at 11:45 by lyxal

caird coinheringaahing

CMQ: CGCC or PPCG?

Redwolf Programs

CGPP

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing VTC as dupe

4 hours ago, by hyper-neutrino

CMP: old name or new name

Unrelated String

00:17

PP&CG 😈

Fmbalbuena

Coge golf and programming puzzles

Bubbler

PPAP

hyper-neutrino

CCP(P)

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino VTC as unclear, whole knows that "old name" or "new name" could be referring to?

lyxal

CGSE

Unrelated String

00:17

СССР

Redwolf Programs

PGCC

caird coinheringaahing

The site's original name was "code golf stack exchange" :P

(but with caps, I'm lazy)

hyper-neutrino

SO code-golf :D

Fmbalbuena

or better PPCCCGGCSE

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing tfw you spend more time explaining your laziness than not being lazy

Redwolf Programs

00:18

PPCGCCSE

Jo King

my bookmark says CG.SE

hyper-neutrino

i don't have a bookmark for codegolf cuz i just type "c" into my browser bar

caird coinheringaahing

Petition to rename the site Stack Overflow [tag:code-golf] Stack Exchange

Thomas Ward

@hyper-neutrino s/type/lazy type/

caird coinheringaahing

I just keep too many tabs open :P

Unrelated String

00:19

^

i'm at 1121 even though i could have sworn i closed 1000 a week or two ago

Fmbalbuena

v

PPCCCGGCSEATIBA

Redwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString ...

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing I legit saw a post on r/ProgrammerHumor complaining about "SO mean because I asked VLQ and they were mean" and one of the comments said (something like) "There's too many sites in their network, I don't get why they don't just merge them all into one"

lyxal

CGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTB

Unrelated String

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hyper-neutrino

00:20

@cairdcoinheringaahing well it's fitting for r/programmerhumor cuz that'd be fucking hilarious to see

Redwolf Programs

@UnrelatedString 20 tabs is too many

Fmbalbuena

CGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGRSTBCGCCACAGBBCWCBCSCNRFAFCFOKOTHMPCPPPGR…

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms 10 is pushing it

caird coinheringaahing

Ok, that's enough with the acronym spam

Unrelated String

20 is like the bare minimum for a window

if you aren't going to close the window in a matter of hours

hyper-neutrino

00:21

i only have 11 rn lol

Redwolf Programs

If you have 1000 tabs open, you do not know how to use a browser lol

Unrelated String

that is true

lyxal

@lyxal btw that's just a mashup of basically every winning criteria

Thomas Ward

has 2500 tabs open via seventeen browsers across 12 active VMs

Jo King

i only have two Nineteenth bytes open (that i can find)

hyper-neutrino

00:22

38th byte

Aaroneous Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing * The entire human genome but encoded with Cs and Gs *

caird coinheringaahing

I have 21 open on my "CGCC window", 14 on my "uni window" and a couple of single tab windows open with problem sheets/lecture notes that I'mm split screening

Redwolf Programs

My Chrome has stopped keeping pinned tabs open when I close it, so I'm a few tabs below my average

4 currently

Alan Bagel

@hyper-neutrino Welcome to the 38th byte!

Redwolf Programs

When I'm working on something, usually between 6 and 10

Fmbalbuena

00:23

@RedwolfPrograms i have 100 tabs open

lyxal

I have 7 open, but that can be reduced to 4

3, actually

Unrelated String

@RedwolfPrograms yikes

caird coinheringaahing

HN is kinda in the 39th byte, as he's in both the 19th and 20th byte :P

(I'm guessing, I don't know who's actually in the mod room atm)

hyper-neutrino

i have 11 on my main desktop (discord, two gmails, review queue for GRT, TNB, 5 schoolwork tabs, youtube) and 1 on my second desktop (AOC)

Redwolf Programs

I just don't see what you'd need more than one window of 10 tabs for, maybe two windows or additional tabs for a project that needs lots open

hyper-neutrino

00:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing this is true

Jo King

Currently, 38 tabs + about a dozen incognito ones

Unrelated String

wait do you actually use mostly browser discord

i thought my sister was theo nly one

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms On my CGCC window, I have the two /review pages pinned, a bunch of pins for potential challenge ideas, 3 chat tabs, 3 /questions/active tabs, and Jelly TIO + commands (4 tabs) open

lyxal

@UnrelatedString hey I use browser discord too sometimes

hyper-neutrino

no i keep it open for my second account

Unrelated String

00:25

ah

yeah that makes sense

Aaroneous Miller

tfw you golf your browser tabs to zero by just sending/receiving packets with your brain

3

caird coinheringaahing

Imagine not just making all of the internet up in a dream you're currently having. Btw, wake up, we have a crusade to fight

hyper-neutrino

what if i'm atheist

Redwolf Programs

You still get to stab people

That's half the fun

caird coinheringaahing

That's just something you've dreamt up, it's 1307 and there are people to stab

@RedwolfPrograms You just get to make up your own mind which people :P

Aaroneous Miller

00:28

*wakes up*
*internet shuts down*

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing You can do the "stand-in-the-middle-of-the-fight-spinning-in-circles-with-a-sword-in-both-hands" tactic

And make "vroooom" noises if you feel it's necessary

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, but Wendy's doesn't like it when you do that

"Threatens the customers" or some bs

lyxal

@AaroneousMiller can't wake up if you're frozen ;p

caird coinheringaahing

Can plates wake up?

Can plates sleep?

Aaroneous Miller

What is sleep?

lyxal

00:30

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean, idk what happens in my cupboard after hours, so I can't answer that

heck, they could be partying all night and I wouldn't know

Redwolf Programs

What happens in lyxal's cupboard stays in lyxal's keyboard

Err...cupboard

Aaroneous Miller

Leopard

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal TFW your plates have more of a social life than you

lyxal

Dang I should start twitch streaming my cupboard

just 24/7 plate footage

@cairdcoinheringaahing well I mean, it isn't that hard to have more of a social life than me

caird coinheringaahing

You need to attach a camera 24/7 to Aaron plate and just stream that :P

lyxal

00:32

the closest we've gotten so far is that one plate cleaning video

caird coinheringaahing

That video of you washing Aaron. The world needs more

lyxal

maybe one day

caird coinheringaahing

We need Aaron simps :P

7

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing besides, I need consent/permission from each plate first

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ooh another out-of-context message to add to my collection

Aaroneous Miller

00:33

I’m down for whatever

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal ^ Consent, I demand washing videos

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's from aaron

I need consent from emanresuA, rak and user

(man this probably sounds so weird to those without the context)

caird coinheringaahing

I mean.

We've talked about much wieder

Unrelated String

yeah

Aaroneous Miller

@lyxal (man this probably sounds so weird ~~to those without the context~~)

lyxal

00:36

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah I suppose so

exhibition A:

caird coinheringaahing

Also, there's nothing weird about consent

lyxal

what the actual hell

Aug 3 at 23:25, 9 minutes total – 42 messages, 7 users, 12 stars

Bookmarked Aug 3 at 23:35 by lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing no I more meant the whole plate washing stuff

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ooh, I like the timing of sending that message :P

Bubbler

@LeakyNun Jelly, 3 bytes: digits base -1

Redwolf Programs

Exhibition B:

Jun 11 '16 at 8:05, by aditsu

I don't think I wanna see porn with TNB users :p

caird coinheringaahing

00:39

How do you interpret that? You (alone) watching porn that stars TNB users? Or, you watching porn while accompanied by other TNB users?

hyper-neutrino

both

Unrelated String

either

caird coinheringaahing

You (with TNB users) watching porn that stars TNB users

Porn Ad: Are you seriously watching porn alone?
Me and the TNBers: *laughing*

Redwolf Programs

lol

hyper-neutrino

no, I'm with the science team

user

00:54

Mmm, very interesting conversation here

CMP: Good names for a laptop?

Redwolf Programs

Timothy

lyxal

Unrelated String

Aaron Miller

Fmbalbuena

Why my code not working?

user

No Timothy because it feels too human and I'll feel bad when I throw it away. No lyxal because it'd feel weird too and you're being narcissistic :P

@UnrelatedString No ^

lyxal

00:56

@user no, i'm being lyxal

Fmbalbuena

https://tio.run/##jZJPb5tAEMXP2U8x4lBBCJZdN/1jZ3PqJZVKDr4gEaQSWMyoMIt21xVu1c/u7hoaGSmoPbCI37w3O3pMdzS1pPXppHmnkAzTvvfNu14HDNtOKgP6qFnJ7bnQpkRaKJGXDZLQfmC1ZbrM0k20ygIW8yVL7LPjnseQRytWSQU9IMGLasOuMOQre1YQQ06lrZM0VuPd34XR4ibNvM0u5P22kGSQDmKQbuxU4F1juAvd228EXVwdYRCW6acs2LoZnKGfdtS@oJIPHfqZDgG7Eo21Jm/iC30yo0@cHivv3uO8H/Vl6mJw9G5C3440nND1SKMJfTfSxYTejvRmQt@PNJ3QDyPNJvTjQF@LO@arbcJxu@O9@/lPZAc9b8Dp9Ou3H4Qh@yp/CDC1gE7aDREKjDx/KtzXZrbaiMqwByqUaAWZM2pFK9URCtE0kJtLE/ss/lP4eDDdYUBFnau8cFdq3BNWKEp4Pg6lV5wP5Iz5hc0toDZSCUAXyqzzy6HtoMv1OFxuihppDxnYRGc8gBqWg/E5L77/DeXFm/7DS5J@CiVZLOGxEyo3KOkP

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hyper-neutrino

can you be a bit more descriptive about what "not working" means and what it should do

Redwolf Programs

@user How about "xX_dinosaur68.5_Xx"

hyper-neutrino

VTC as needs details or clarity

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino not working because i'm trying to do this

user

00:58

@RedwolfPrograms Um, something pronounceable please (like "hey can you get me Glorious Leader's charger?")

hyper-neutrino

"\n"+"`"*3 is longer than "\n```" xD

Unrelated String

yeahhh

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino Oh sorry

Bubbler

Clunky, Crashy, Grinder, Black Hole

hyper-neutrino

also what exactly isn't working

too much indentation on noop?

too little indentation elsewhere?

Unrelated String

00:59

looks like it

Fmbalbuena

tio.run/…

hyper-neutrino

incorrect spacing elsewhere?

that's why i said include more details

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Constructing Solar Panels from Squares part 2 [code-golf] [number] [optimization], Introduction

user

@Bubbler Ooh, I like Black Hole

Unrelated String

i feel like this is something that could benefit from being written ungolfed

hyper-neutrino

01:00

yeah

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino can you debug?

hyper-neutrino

the giant chain of if statements can be golfed by like 80% anyway

Unrelated String

^

Bubbler

@OldSandboxPosts I love all the challenges titled "Introduction"

hyper-neutrino

ok more like 90

Unrelated String

01:00

yeah

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino but fix bugs first and golf.

using exec. obviously.

hyper-neutrino

what

no just use string indexing

Unrelated String

i don't even know where the noop printing happens

Fmbalbuena

@hyper-neutrino what is SI?

hyper-neutrino

s(end=d[" ><+-.,[]".find(x)])

that is equivalent to like 8 lines of your code

Fmbalbuena

01:03

Golf that.

@hyper-neutrino why not golfing?

golfed

tio.run/…

4 hours ago, by Fmbalbuena

45 secs ago, by Adám

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Jul 20 at 10:30, by Mego

I am male penguin

user

You don't need to requote that message, it just gets bigger each time

Sandbox Posts

01:29

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Print this title! Your task is to print this Print this title! Rules: No Loopholes your source must be full code, not function or snippet. Outputting to STDERR is not allowed, you should output to STDOUT. Meta: Suggestions? Off-topic?

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms I mean, the cryptically shortened variable names aren't great, but at least it's properly indented :P

Facebook Gaming has... some problems. I had a recording of a stream open, paused, in another Chrome window. Apparently, the page refreshed, tried to start playing again, got messed up somehow, and was using up 50% of my laptop's CPU until I closed the window.

Niko

i miss facebook tetris battle

require more review pls help

Bubbler

^^

@Niko Looks impossible without modifying the source code itself (or making a weird interpreter that makes both branches run)

Also, is it limited to Python?

Niko

01:47

you can have a function that read the source code itself and rerun it in new file with only that part of code

@Bubbler yesnt

Bubbler

@Niko If it is allowed then rather ask for a function that transforms an if-else code fragment into something you want

Niko

02:05

@Bubbler that fit in transplier category?

Bubbler

Probably yes but you will never get any answer in the other category, because it is impossible

Niko

I thought creating a function that run the self’s file in parallel but with different state could work

Bubbler

No, parallel execution means two separate runtimes, in one you will have a=5 and in the other you will have a=10 for example

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc That sort of feels like if your arm got stuck in a wood chipper and your response was "well at least all the atoms are the same" :p

Bubbler

So you can't get a variable to be shadowed by the order of execution

Razetime

02:16

morning

Bubbler

lunch

Razetime

how was your lunch

or how si your lunch

Bubbler

Yet to go and get it but the cafeteria lunch is always mediocre

Razetime

ah, sad

DLosc

02:31

@Razetime evening :D

Razetime

good evening to you

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Ha! Well, I'm just saying--at least two of my coworkers have zero regard for consistent whitespace when they write code. When I start working on a file that someone else wrote, my first step is to run a bunch of regex replacements to make the indentation sane so I can read it.

Jo King

oh god, my workspace has the same problem

Redwolf Programs

My AP CS class never taught about proper indentation, so trying to help people when their code's not working is truly painful

Somebody next to me somehow deindents their code after a block is started

Jo King

we've "solved" this by mandating 4 space tabs in our editors, but the majority of our code already uses tabs and we're not allowed to modify the whole file at once, so it's only getting worse

DLosc

02:40

@JoKing Oof

@RedwolfPrograms Pertinent

@RedwolfPrograms See, this is why everybody needs to learn Python /hj

Redwolf Programs

Ooh, a Lemony Snicket quote. +1

Jo King

real programmers indent their code in dot points in word

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Almost one third of my liked quotes on Goodreads are Lemony Snicket quotes ^_^

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms w...

Jo King

huh, Unfortunate Events had a TV series?

Redwolf Programs

02:47

I once read the first two books of All The Wrong Questions and really liked them, but then couldn't find the other two anywhere :/

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms that implies that they indent before code blocks

DLosc

@JoKing Yep! I've only watched part of it because I don't have Netflix, but I liked the episodes I watched. It takes the secret-society bits from later in the series and blends them into the early books really well.

@RedwolfPrograms The third one was my favorite. It gets really wonderfully creepy.

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms like ^?

Jo King

@DLosc neat. I remember the movie pretty well, and only vaguely remember the latter books

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal Something like that, but a lot less organized

Jo King

02:50

i'll put it on my to watch list

DLosc

@lyxal Well of course you have to start out with some indentation if you want to dedent your code blocks, duh /s

Redwolf Programs

The indentation varies between one and four spaces, and sometimes randomly jumps around

and occasionally whole methods will be written as one line

Not one statement, one line with all the whitespace stripped

I upgraded to a better graphics card with my new laptop, since it was slowing my frame rates. But I also downgraded the CPU to save money, and it turns out I downgraded too much and now Minecraft runs slowly :(

Not sure why I find this so funny

A chromebook with actually good specs just doesn't seem like something that should exist

The site acronym has too many letter c's

what the actual hell

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