The Nineteenth Byte

Niko

12:13 AM

I have an idea about combining codegolf and KOTH

Redwolf Programs

Ooh go on

I've done something similar before and it was fun

lyxal

@user it's a unix system, I know this!

relevant subreddit

Niko

And I've thought about crossword but without word

Just two bot filling out the space

for most line completion

But I've never write a Koth control code tho

OldSandboxPosts

1:00 AM

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Best Rotation, Pattern in Prime

user

1:15 AM

@lyxal also windows but that’s the opposite

PyGamer0

3:57 AM

idea: a golf language that implements all oeis sequences

so oAá#×j÷ gets the nth number of A051912

Bubbler

1) Some of them are uncomputable 2) fetching external data is standard loophole

emanresu A

3) Someone made one already, it got banned

(I think, I can't remember)

PyGamer0

@Bubbler then for the uncomputable ones just hard code them

Redwolf Programs

@Bubbler You could hardcode the current ones

No internet required

Bubbler

Well you could scrape those containing Python code for example, but it would be an impossible amount of work for a single person to actually edit them into what you can call in your custom language

Also yeah, uncomputable ones are invalid as a challenge in the first place so no problem for that

PyGamer0

4:02 AM

@RedwolfPrograms or write functions that compute the computsble ones

Bubbler

but scraping only the existing terms for each sequence does not make a solution to the challenge for that sequence, because it doesn't (even theoretically) work for larger input

Redwolf Programs

@PyGamer0 Yeah, that's what I meant. Hard code as in don't fetch them from the internet, build them into the labguage

PyGamer0

also my brother had a sky block world in minecraft

one day, i left tnb running in the background when he started playing

he heard the notification sounds and got very spooked

lol

lyxal

@Bubbler I was about to say "just use codex" until I tried using it to generate a working function for a random sequence and realised it just spits out garbage

Although a combination of standard DaVinci mixed with codex could work

like pass the OEIS article to davinci with a simplification/summarisation prompt, and then feed that into codex using a natural language to code prompt

but testing that would require switching between my alts, so I can't be bothered

PyGamer0

@lyxal i cant imagine, i have to

lyxal

4:07 AM

@PyGamer0 L

PyGamer0

:L

TapL

:L

Bubbler

@lyxal I guess some of the simpler ones would work, but when the title is just a short description in mathy jargon and you have nothing else to work with...

Something like this (uh, it relates to physics and chemistry too)

emanresu A

4:28 AM

@lyxal Or, just get the implementation code from the page and system call it

Your language would be written in like 30 different languages but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bubbler

and you need to buy maple and mathematica to make the majority of them to work

PyGamer0

or make your own maple and mathematica

and time to sit at my computer for the next 4 hours because class

CMM: Is phy different enough to be counted as a separate language?

lyxal

4:49 AM

I'd say no, as it's just a restricted subset of python executed within python

Bubbler

^

emanresu A

^

Bubbler

and a few extra builtins don't change things much

PyGamer0

oh ok

Bubbler

and your "interpreter" has a syntax error

emanresu A

4:50 AM

I'm working on an esolang where programs are something like:

PyGamer0

@Bubbler yes i dont know how to fix it

wait i might know

Bubbler

It's just a matter of deleting the extra )

emanresu A

REDDDWOOOOLF?
RREDDDDWWOLF!1111!1!!1!11!
REDWOLFFF???

^ Example program

Bubbler

Lol, now that's an esolang

PyGamer0

@Bubbler wait bruh i was talking about another error

emanresu A

4:52 AM

Created in response to

2 days ago, by lyxal

Bubbler

@PyGamer0 Well then idk

PyGamer0

@lyxal whats your user script to show message ids?

CMQ: what monkey do yall use?

lyxal

tamper

@PyGamer0 this one, I think

here's the full list I use

PyGamer0

@lyxal uhuhuhuhhuhuhuhuhuhuhsuahsuahsuahuhuh

emanresu A

Redwolf language spec

That's as far as I've got

PyGamer0

5:06 AM

^ my first user script

lyxal

ha that reminds me of the time I made a userscript

Lyxal's first and probably only userscript™

Apr 14 at 5:24, 8 minutes total – 29 messages, 4 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Apr 15 at 12:58 by lyxal

It's very high quality™, just like all of my other content

emanresu A

What does it even do?

(Let me guess, rickroll)

lyxal

@emanresuA It was 6 months ago

I forgor

PyGamer0

@lyxal i just want the message id part

my brother says: @lyxal is an impostor. SUS

lyxal

@PyGamer0 you get it all or you don't get it at all

PyGamer0

5:13 AM

@lyxal NOOOOOoooooo......

lyxal

I mean sure, you could edit it to only do ids, but it comes as a whole package

I didn't make it, so I haven't the foggiest how it works

@PyGamer0 dang it how'd he know?

in CG&CC-gaming, Oct 18 at 2:05, by lyxal

PyGamer0

@lyxal he says he is big brain

lyxal

@PyGamer0 tell him that I know his friend Joe

PyGamer0

@lyxal he has no friend as joe

WHAT HAPPENEND TO THE CHAT

lyxal

@PyGamer0 That's not the point

@PyGamer0 yeah it looks a little different, but you get used to it

PyGamer0

5:16 AM

^ i hate this

@lyxal my brother is asking you: do you like eating potatos

lyxal

@PyGamer0 glass? not really. potatoes? yes

also, it looks like I gave you the wrong link

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/raw/master/…

I forget which userscript does what

PyGamer0

@lyxal phew the chat is normal

oh cool

@lyxal thanks

lyxal

@PyGamer0 then tell him "Have you met Lyxal's friend Joe?"

and if he asks the fateful question "Who's Joe?", hit him with the iconic punchline

(that is, "Joe Mama")

PyGamer0

@lyxal he said is your friend JoKing?

not Who is joe?

lyxal

dang

say "no, not JoKing. Joe"

PyGamer0

5:26 AM

he said: correction you mean joe mama?

lyxal

dang frick it

tell him I said "well played"

Sandbox Posts

5:41 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Self-referential triangle sequence code-golf integer sequence Challenge Output the flattened version of the sequence A297359, which starts like the following: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 3, 3, 1, 2, 4, 6, 4, 2, 1, 6, 10, 10, 6, 1, 1, 7, 16, 20, 16, 7, 1, 3, 8, 23, 36, 36, 23, 8, 3, 3, 11, 31, 59, 72, 59...

Bubbler

@SandboxPosts The shortest challenge body I've written so far, I think

Protip: Need a challenge idea? Open OEIS Webcam and blankly stare at it until you get one you can understand

PyGamer0

6:01 AM

feedback?

Bubbler

6:12 AM

Looks OK to me

emanresu A

:( They got rid of the 'main profile' / 'meta profile' buttons

PyGamer0

@emanresuA they did?

Bubbler

It's now under Profiles dropdown

emanresu A

No, I mean the newer ones got removed

I just found this old message of mine:

Jun 26 at 10:45, by A username

Don't tell everyone! There's a meta consensus about that

PyGamer0

@emanresuA ah yes the times where you had a .surge.sh RR script

@PyGamer0 should i post?

lyxal

6:19 AM

@PyGamer0 looks fine to me

PyGamer0

posting

New Posts

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Q: Find the number of paths in a n×n grid

Information Given a non-negative odd integer (let's call it \$n\$), find the number of all possible paths which covers all squares and get from the start to end on a grid. The grid is of size \$n\$x\$n\$. The start of the path is the top left corner and the end is the bottom right corner. You ha...

PyGamer0

posted ^

emanresu A

6:37 AM

@PyGamer0 I didn't actually - I just had metastackexchange.surge.sh

Unrelated String

7:07 AM

y'all ever just eat one of those big frozen vegetable lasagnas from wegmans for four meals over the course of two days

lyxal

no, but I do eat normal lasagna for breakfast two mornings in a row

PyGamer0

7:33 AM

good language idea?

Bubbler

Looks like a verbosified APL with unnecessarily complicated syntax

PyGamer0

is there a userscript that shows inbox notifications in chat?

hyper-neutrino

doesn't chat improvements do that

PyGamer0

that changes a lot of things

which i dont want

i am installing jelly so i can try bubbler's answer

Bubbler

n=5 will take >100 years on your machine, trust me

hyper-neutrino

7:45 AM

~~i've got time~~

Bubbler

and that's assuming your computer's got enough memory to hold 23!×25 complex numbers

PyGamer0

uh time to buy more ram

Bubbler

Random fact: 23!×25 is pretty close to Avogadro's number

and is greater than 2^64 so it won't run on any <=64-bit machine

emanresu A

8:04 AM

@Bubbler Uh, bigints?

Bubbler

I mean 64-bit machines can hold only up to 2^64 things in its address space

pxeger

21 mins ago, by Bubbler

and that's assuming your computer's got enough memory to hold 23!×25 complex numbers

@emanresuA you need more than 64 bits of memory address space to hold 23!×25 of anything

PyGamer0

removing sort builtin

Bubbler

Any feedback?

(honestly circuit golf hasn't been asked for 3 years straight, so it might be possible that absolutely no one is interested in it now)

PyGamer0

8:25 AM

what is circuit golf?

Bubbler

Designing an electronic circuit that does a certain job with smallest number of logic gates (usually NAND)

e.g. nandgame

PyGamer0

oh

Bubbler

On CGCC such challenges are tagged atomic-code-golf logic-gates

PyGamer0

i might try to answer at least one of those

wait can you answer them in minecraft :p

Bubbler

If you mean redstone circuits, why not :P

PyGamer0

8:36 AM

how would the score be then?

emanresu A

@pxeger OH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT AS A NUMBER, OOPS

sorry caps locl

PyGamer0

i can never press capslock

Bubbler

If you solely use 2-input NAND gate construction, the count of that construction

emanresu A

@Bubbler Nandgame is coo

(l)

PyGamer0

coo; forget the (l)

pxeger

8:39 AM

TIL Python has a built-in range syntax! ato.pxeger.com/…

(you just have to activate it, that's what the header is for!)

:Þ

PyGamer0

language idea: Gates, all operations are handled by logic gates

programs look like circuit diagrams

i   i
+-&-+
  |
  o

^ takes 2 inputs and outputs

(very useful for atomic-cg-lg)

Bubbler

There are something similar already: 1 2

PyGamer0

there is no 3?

emanresu A

9:01 AM

@pxeger Cool! Is it proposed for a future version or something?

Bubbler

@emanresuA (to be serious, it is a joke)

pxeger

@emanresuA unfortunately it's actually deprecated and is going to be removed in Python 4.20

emanresu A

9:18 AM

@Bubbler Oh. @pxeger you have trolled me

PyGamer0

9:33 AM

ato.pxeger.com/…

^ @pxeger doesnt work

handle that case

emanresu A

9:44 AM

It appears to only work with variables ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bubbler

left side must be an int, right side must be a name. Otherwise it's a syntax error, no way around that

emanresu A

Oh I see, it's accessing a property of a float

emanresu A

10:16 AM

Sleep need so o/

lyxal

o/

emanresu A

You gave all the arms and heads back?

Actually o/

lyxal

@emanresuA no, only to you and a few other people

PyGamer0

10:39 AM

cake

:59412308more cake

@emanresuA more cake

shhh dont tell my eld bro

4

:39819556 tes

ig my brother came here

he spammed and left
lol

lyxal

lmao

thejonymyster

12:18 PM

star that so people will see it in the star tab and wonder what it is and then click the link and get rick rolled

lyxal

12:30 PM

usually i can think of a witty way to announce that sleep is to happen but nah i can't tonight so here's an unwitty way of me saying it in a sorta meta way which kinda makes it funny but not really so eh

o/

thejonymyster

its probably cause youre tired

gn

Skidsdev

1:14 PM

g'morning guys, gals, and everyone else!

PyGamer0

@Skidsdev good night :)

Skidsdev

ah yes, timezones. It's 9:20am for me :)

Redwolf Programs

Morning!

@emanresuA I support this endeavor

Redwolf Programs

1:47 PM

Well the college spam is growing in volume. At this rate it'll be hundreds a day by 12th grade :p

thejonymyster

you must retaliate. send hundreds back

pxeger

> -10: serial voting reversed

>:[

thejonymyster

context? im noob

Redwolf Programs

Wait...how is a single vote removed for serial voting...

pxeger

@thejonymyster codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/serial-voting-reversed

@RedwolfPrograms maybe the serial voter voted on a bunch of answers to one question in a row, of which one was mine?

Redwolf Programs

1:59 PM

I don't think that gets detected or reversed though

Maybe it was done by a mod?

pxeger

dunno

thejonymyster

oh, i see

i forgot 10 pts was 1 vote

m90

43

Q: Non-serial voting corrected

Yes, it's good that we have scripts to reverse serial voting and when it doesn't, I usually flag one of my own posts for moderator attention so that they can escalate. But just now, I got a rather strange one: That's only a single upvote and by definition it can't be serial. Either the script fo...

bug status-bydesign serial-voting

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms it does

we've had to warn people about it every RO election lol

Redwolf Programs

Oh lol

Can mods see/undo things detected as serial voting?

hyper-neutrino

2:02 PM

also idk if deleting a sock tells you it was serial voting or just user removed

@RedwolfPrograms we have some tools available but all we can do is delete socks, escalate to CMs, or wait for the script

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino I could check if you want

If my inbox history goes back four years

Skidsdev

ugh, coding in LMBM gives me such a headache, but it's so satisfying when it actually works

thejonymyster

2:15 PM

damn, edits have to be at least six characters

cant fix <6 1 char spelling mistakes

Redwolf Programs

Usually I just leave those as comments

pxeger

just add  at the bottom

and then do another edit to remove that

Skidsdev

convenient that an empty HTML comment is 7 chars

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger Nobody's going to approve that will they?

thejonymyster

@pxeger ah, i considered doing something like that but i was worried itd be bad procedure to do randomly

Redwolf Programs

2:17 PM

If I saw it'd I'd assume it was rep farming

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms I've had things like that approved before

but I have the rep now that it doesn't need to be approved

thejonymyster

ill just put it in the edit summary that i needed to do it

Skidsdev

@RedwolfPrograms If whomever's reviewing the edit can see that a legitimate correction was made, I doubt it'll be an issue

thejonymyster

any if that gets struck down, Whell Then Shoowt Me

uhhhh

i got <6 chard after deleting the  thingy

Redwolf Programs

Might not count comments lol

thejonymyster

2:21 PM

only for deletions though

Redwolf Programs

Just leave the little comment thingy I guess, it doesn't hurt anything

thejonymyster

it worked when i added it

yeah lol guess its staying

pxeger

CMQ: ^

courtesy of Veritasium

PyGamer0

C?

Skidsdev

I saw that, I voted D, but I don't know if he's posted the answer

pxeger

2:23 PM

@PyGamer0 C was the most common answer

I voted B

thejonymyster

i think it looks like D from what ive seen

Skidsdev

C is the intuitive answer, but if the intuitive answer was correct, Veritasium wouldn't be asking the question

PyGamer0

@pxeger i read that as veritaserum

thejonymyster

i mean to me the intuitive answer would be an exaggerated form of B

its hard to imagine that any part of the rope would be straight vertical

PyGamer0

@pxeger has to be A

Skidsdev

2:26 PM

I could see it being B as well

PyGamer0

it is the first letter of the alphabet

pxeger

my problem is that every mental image I can construct involves it flapping in the wind

@PyGamer0 I think it would be A if it weren't for air resistance

Skidsdev

It would be A in a vacuum I believe yeah

PyGamer0

B occurs when the cable is just a long rod

Skidsdev

I think it might be B actually

PyGamer0

2:27 PM

looking at it again, D also seems correct

due to inertia

Skidsdev

D during acceleration, C during decceleration, B during constant flight

thejonymyster

ahh

pxeger

I was gonna say C is what I think it would look like while accelerating

@Skidsdev but that was basically my thought process as well, in reverse

thejonymyster

i think it looks like E when its not moving

Skidsdev

It's F: A straight horizontal line trailing behind the vehicle. He said air resistance is not negligible, he didn't say gravity isn;t

5

thejonymyster

2:29 PM

@Skidsdev this makes sense to me

PyGamer0

@Skidsdev thiss makes most sense

Skidsdev

If I was home I would open up Unity and create a physics sim to test, because my intuition is all over the place and B, C, and D are all in a superposition of correct and not in my head

this is what happens when I skip my morning coffee :(

thejonymyster

we need an xkcd version of this with sillier options

does randall do commissions

pxeger

I doubt it

but you could email it to him as a suggestion anyway

Skidsdev

@pxeger D during accel because the top part of the rope would start moving first as the helicopter accels, and the reverse for C. I'm still unsure whether B is correct for constant speed though

PyGamer0

2:32 PM

@Skidsdev real gamers use assembly to make simulations :P

Skidsdev

@PyGamer0 Good thing I'm not a real gamer :P

pxeger

@Skidsdev ah that makes sense actually

I think I was attaching my intuition to it descending (D) and ascending (C)

Skidsdev

I've been listening to a podcast lately called Lets Learn Everything. In ep 1, host Tom Lum talked about his CogSci thesis about how we perceive temporal lag. Apparently our brains are really good at 'ignoring' temporal lag between events, especially if the lag is <250ms

If you have a light switch that always turns the light on 200ms after you flick it, you'll quickly adjust and perceive them as happening at the same time. If the switch is then fixed to be instant, you'll perceive the light as coming on before you flick it

thejonymyster

finally, ftl

wait, no

ive confused myself

Skidsdev

it makes sense because when you get down to the physics, the uncertainty principle states that simultaneity is physically impossible. So this temporal lag adjustment in our brain lets us perceive near-simultaneous things as simultaneous

thejonymyster

2:38 PM

that rules

Skidsdev

eg if you clap, the light from your hands travels to your eyes ~100,000x faster than the sound travels to your ears, but your brain perceives them as simultaneous

Redwolf Programs

Skidsdev

err, ~1,000,000x faster*

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Another submission I'm working on for this

Skidsdev

@RedwolfPrograms That's very pretty compared to most of the answers

Redwolf Programs

2:41 PM

Thanks! Still experimenting with some stuff

Skidsdev

I wasn't even entirely sure whether it was computer generated until you said what it was for

Aaroneous Miller

Based on a conversation from yesterday, I think these should all render for everybody:
̀ ́ ̂ ̃ ̄ ̅ ̆ ̇ ̈ ̉ ̊ ̋ ̌ ̍ ̎ ̏ ̐ ̑ ̒ ̓ ̔ ̕ ̖ ̗ ̘ ̙ ̚ ̛ ̜ ̝ ̞ ̟ ̠ ̡ ̢ ̣ ̤ ̥ ̦ ̧ ̨ ̩ ̪ ̫ ̬ ̭ ̮ ̯ ̰ ̱ ̲ ̳ ̴ ̵ ̶ ̷ ̸ ̹ ̺ ̻ ̼ ̽ ̾ ̿ ̀ ́ ͂ ̓ ̈́ ͅ ͆ ͇ ͈ ͉ ͊ ͋ ͌ ͍ ͎ ͏ ͐ ͑ ͒ ͓ ͔ ͕ ͖ ͗ ͘ ͙ ͚ ͛ ͜ ͝ ͞ ͟ ͠ ͡ ͢ ͣ ͤ ͥ ͦ ͧ ͨ ͩ ͪ ͫ ͬ ͭ ͮ ͯ ᷀ ᷁ ᷂ ᷃ ᷄ ᷅ ᷆ ᷇ ᷈ ᷉ ᷊ ⃰ ︠ ︡ ︢ ︣
Do any of them not show up for anyone?

Redwolf Programs

They all render for me

Skidsdev

they all render correctly for me

Aaroneous Miller

noice

Skidsdev

2:45 PM

We have a largest number challenge, but do we have a smallest positive number challenge?

Redwolf Programs

How would that work?

Skidsdev

output the smallest positive real number, score is bytes / output?

Redwolf Programs

ohh I was thinking integers lol

Skidsdev

yeah it'd be pretty boring for integers lol

1

Redwolf Programs

Seems like the answers would mostly just be 1/ the submissions to that challenge though

Skidsdev

2:47 PM

hmm, good point

Although the largest number challenge has additional constraints, such as no digits or constants >= 10

though I think the challenge would be even less interesting if you removed those constraints

ah well, one for the cutting room floor

Aaroneous Miller

I have a really cool idea for a tacit language, but I don't know if/when I'll ever actually get around to doing it. :/

Skidsdev

I always have cool ideas for languages. The problem is I end up creating a new language for every answer I post, and flood main with disposable languages :/

Aaroneous Miller

lol

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