The Nineteenth Byte

2:01 PM

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Largest turing incomplete subset of ASCII We have challenges about trying to find a short, turing complete number of characters in a language. In this challenge, you'll do the opposite, trying to find the largest subset of characters which is not turing complete. Rules: The language you use must...

thejonymyster

ooh, whats an sbcs

something bomething code sheet?

Adám

SBCS

SBCS, or Single Byte Character Set, is used to refer to character encodings that use exactly one byte for each graphic character. An SBCS can accommodate a maximum of 256 symbols, and is useful for scripts that do not have many symbols or accented letters such as the Latin, Greek and Cyrillic scripts used mainly for European languages. Examples of SBCS encodings include ISO/IEC 646, the various ISO 8859 encodings, and the various Microsoft/IBM code pages.The term SBCS is commonly contrasted against the terms DBCS (double-byte character set) and TBCS (triple-byte character set), as well as MBCS...

thejonymyster

ahh

ty

Redwolf Programs

2:21 PM

Fun JS trick: Remove an item from an array with a.copyWithin(i,i+1).slice(0,-1)

Discovered that while working on this

For some reason there was no ES6 answer to that

thejonymyster

wait which item does it remove

Redwolf Programs

i

thejonymyster

oh, gotcha

cool :D

Redwolf Programs

Oh wait that modifies the array :(

So my approach doesn't work

thejonymyster

is that not the goal?

to modify the array to not have item i? :P

Redwolf Programs

2:27 PM

Well, I'd intended it to not modify the array and return a copy with the item missing

thejonymyster

oh right, permutations, i get it >_< tragic

Redwolf Programs

Using splice is probably shorter

And in this case it is

thejonymyster

Fun JS trick: Use splice

doesnt have the same ring to it

say, for your challenge, do you think itd add quality to it if you had to write a working program with the code? or would that just overcomplicate it

just a passing thought

Redwolf Programs

For the largest non-TC subset one?

thejonymyster

yea

itd have to be something simple ofc, since uh, non-tc

Redwolf Programs

2:36 PM

I'm thinking about that, since it means you'd have to pick a set that doesn't have characters that immediately cause an error

And you can't just list all of ASCII but without one critical character you need to run any program

Only problem would be strings and comments

thejonymyster

well you can always specify no comments, but strings is less easy to weasel out of

Redwolf Programs

Yeah. Restricting comments/strings isn't really something challenges are recommended/allowed to do since it's too ambiguous what counts.

thejonymyster

just realized, really verbose langs could be fun

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms E.g., regex literals, variable names, or shebangs (in languages that allow them)

thejonymyster

idk if arnoldC is TC but itd be funny to see an answer in it

is shebang googleable?

Redwolf Programs

2:40 PM

It's the #!

Used in unix/linux

thejonymyster

fun name for it, ill look into it

Redwolf Programs

I think it comes from "hash bang", older names for # and !

thejonymyster

makes sense

wikipedia says this:

> supposed to be misheard or confused by the author in his relatively recent book, post 2010

which seems like not the way wikipedia should be written

Redwolf Programs

Like in JS, you could write #!xyz and that's not technically a comment

I could say you need to write a pristine program, but that makes it a totally different and much harder challenge

thejonymyster

where can i write that in js? in replit node it just syntax errors

Redwolf Programs

2:43 PM

Not sure. I know at the beginning of a file it's allowed in some implementations (e.g., chrome allows it)

thejonymyster

oh right, the beginning

yup, first line, forgot

Adám

FF console:

#!xyz
undefined

Some please explain.

thejonymyster

well it isnt defined

Redwolf Programs

@Adám It's running nothing, so it returns undefined

E.g., a function that doesn't return anything returns undefined

Adám

1+#a causes the console to thing my expression is unfinished, so Enter make a newline.

Redwolf Programs

2:45 PM

JS doesn't have # comments

Adám

Forcing execution gives Uncaught SyntaxError: private names aren't valid in this context

@RedwolfPrograms I know, but what does # mean in JS?

Redwolf Programs

# can be used either in shebangs or in private properties in classes

E.g., this.#name could be used in a class with a private property name

Neil

@RedwolfPrograms a.filter((_,j)=>i-j)

Redwolf Programs

Oh yeah :|

Neil

huh, I got starred? I'll have to make more ISIHAC jokes in that case

Redwolf Programs

3:02 PM

Hmm, I wish map passed a copy of the array as the third argument instead of the original

Never even really got the point of the third argument tbh

CMQ: Return the second half of an array reversed

I found a neat JS solution

a=>a.flatMap(_=>a.splice(-1))

thejonymyster

wow, where does the halfiness come from?

Redwolf Programs

The last half of the items are empty before the .flat(), since the array's modified as it runs

It seems to do some pretty weird stuff

user

Smart

thejonymyster

seems like a bug. Report that to the devs! :P

Redwolf Programs

user

3:07 PM

@RedwolfPrograms Mutating stuff while iterating it often does that, this is pretty interesting tho

Redwolf Programs

@thejonymyster Probably intended, although if it is a bug anyone who writes this sort of code deserves it :p

user

@thejonymyster Do you mean that JS is a bug that must be reported to the devs creating our simulation? :p

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thejonymyster

imagine if we had implicit coercion irl

Redwolf Programs

If you put your dog in a cat carrier, when you get to the park Rover meows

user

(I don’t actually hate JS that much and am not one of those people but I couldn’t pass up that joke)

thejonymyster

3:10 PM

all in good fun :-)

user

@RedwolfPrograms Nah there’s limits to coercion, this is like turning a double into an object

Redwolf Programs

Idk, cats and dogs aren't too dissimilar

user

Dog backwards -> god

Cat backwards-> tac as in tic tac as in sugary but it’ll kill you

thejonymyster

something something zeugma

i cant figure out how to verbally relate it to type conversion but

theres something there

> a figure of speech in which a word applies to two others in different senses (e.g., John and his license expired last week ) or to two others of which it semantically suits only one (e.g., with weeping eyes and hearts )

user

Returning to monke would be so much easier

Climb on tree, become ape

thejonymyster

3:13 PM

climb into digital consciousness storage device, become apl

pxeger

@Adám it's assuming it's a shebang (the line at the start of a script file on Unix) which is basically a comment

user

The only bad thing is that there would be a danger of turning into string and ending up in a cat’s ball of yarn

Wezl

@lyxal ruby, ->a{a.find{a.count(_1)%2>0}}

Redwolf Programs

Help, I drew a plus sign between my cat and my laptop and now I have an [object Object][object Object] D:

pxeger

my wifi network is called [object Object]

Redwolf Programs

3:16 PM

Tired of [object Object] everywhere? Try Object.prototype[Symbol.toStringTag] = "Coconut";!

({}).toString() // "[object Coconut]"

pxeger

or just Object.prototype.toString = () => "Coconut"

Redwolf Programs

No! That's an awful hack.

thejonymyster

() does look like a coconut

Wezl

Object.prototype.toString = function () { return this.toString() }

wow, what a nice solution

Redwolf Programs

Object.prototype[Symbol.toPrimitive] = () => 2;

({}) ** 2 == 4

{} == 2 && {} != {}

"a" + {} == "a2"

thejonymyster

3:21 PM

"a" + {} should == "{a}" imo

Redwolf Programs

Unfortunately no JS prototype hacks will make that possible :(

Unless Proxy has something concat related which I doubt

thejonymyster

do you think any (non 2d) langs need newline to be tc

sorry i was just looking at the sandbox again

Redwolf Programs

Considering just making it based on UTF-8 bytes instead of ASCII

That'd mean lots of answers have unicode as padding and stuff though

Unrelated, you can use a proxy to override delete

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms it?

user

@thejonymyster Yes, those with significant whitespace, no eval or \n, etc

@thejonymyster Why?

Redwolf Programs

3:27 PM

@pxeger The challenge I sandboxed a while back

user

That’s just confusing (not that JS’s default makes sense either but /shrug

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms If you switched to Unicode, then the subset # plus all non-ASCII Unicode characters would be non-TC and high-scoring in Python/other languages with # as comment. So don't switch to Unicode

Redwolf Programs

Not unicode

UTF-8 bytes

But ASCII's probably the best choice

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms What does that mean exactly

Redwolf Programs

Like the bytes in the UTF-8 representation

thejonymyster

3:31 PM

@user oh, i was just memeing :)

pxeger

largest subset of bytes, but you can only have bytes that can be valid in UTF-8?

Redwolf Programs

So AbcĀ would be 51 62 63 c4 80

Aaroneous Miller

I just realized that without @ or w, Vim would be non-TC, since that gets rid of while loops and macro recursion, meaning that any program must halt.

Redwolf Programs

Just the bytes in the UTF-8 representation

Aaroneous Miller

Technically you can still make an infinite loop with recursive register expansion using <Ctrl-r>, but I don't think you could do anything TC with that.

Well, maybe you could...

Actually, now I want to try that

Redwolf Programs

3:36 PM

Perhaps I should just make it ASCII, 0x00 to 0x7f

pxeger

@RedwolfPrograms I still don't understand how exactly the set is defined. For AbcĀ, the set is {51, 62, 63, c4, 80}?, and then AbcĀĒ is {51, 62, 63, c4, 80, 92}?

@RedwolfPrograms I'd make it pure bytes; I see no reason not to

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger Yes

I don't think I like the UTF-8 bytes thing, I think I'm just going to go with one of the ASCII subsets

m90

@AaroneousMiller :command A echo 5|A?

thejonymyster

interestingly, this challenge (w/c)ould be both about finding a large subset and disproving other peoples "non tc" conclusions

maybe it should be koth :P

Redwolf Programs

More like a cops-and-robbers :p

thejonymyster

3:40 PM

ah, sensible >:)

pxeger

@AaroneousMiller :!bash?

Redwolf Programs

That's cheating :p

Aaroneous Miller

@m90 I always forget that my preferred subset of Vim isn't the full thing. I don't use things like user-defined commands or functions, so I forgot they existed.

Also, that does halt due to recursion depth

Redwolf Programs

CMP: For Largest turing incomplete subset of ASCII: Printable ASCII, printable ASCII with newlines, full ASCII, or UTF-8 bytes?

I'm leaning toward full ASCII atm

pxeger

I'm still in camp full bytes

but otherwise, full ASCII

Aaroneous Miller

3:44 PM

I like full ASCII because Vim uses unprintables

thejonymyster

i dont fully get what is gained/lost with full bytes vs full ascii

Redwolf Programs

Full ASCII is limited to 128 characters, while full bytes gives you access to all of unicode

I'm 90% sure full unicode adds nothing to the challenge

I think full ASCII is probably the best, and I'll allow SBCSs for languages that have them

Revised the rules a bit. SBCS solutions now no longer compete against ASCII submissions in the same language.

thejonymyster

interesting

Redwolf Programs

Onions on the current rules, and the possible rule?

Aaroneous Miller

Nah, I'd rather have my onions on the side.

m90

3:52 PM

@AaroneousMiller Right, although it should be possible to keep increasing 'maxfuncdepth' to keep it going. Also :map <C-K> p<C-K> appears to be truly unlimited by itself.

Aaroneous Miller

<Ctrl-K>?

m90

@AaroneousMiller Arbitrary.

Aaroneous Miller

ah

thejonymyster

@RedwolfPrograms I wish there was a standard "no comments / putting everything in a string" rule but i think you mentioned people not liking that ~_~;

cause if that were the case id be full onboard

Aaroneous Miller

4:09 PM

@m90 Whatever we ban, we'll also have to ban <C-R>, since it allows us to do stuff like this

pxeger

why not just remove :

thejonymyster

lol, redwolf, imagine if i make my "non tc lang only" challenge and link your challenge saying "you may use a non-tc subset of an otherwise tc lang" :)c

Aaroneous Miller

@pxeger Try it online!

pxeger

oh that's quite a hack lol

Aaroneous Miller

It's essentially like Vyxal's C, or Python's chr()

Redwolf Programs

4:21 PM

My school's french fries are uncooked today

I just love the texture of reduced sodium lukewarm potato chunks

DLosc

5:07 PM

Crunchy?

Redwolf Programs

Crunchy, but in a squishy sort of way

It's a texture I can really only describe as "potato"

DLosc

@thejonymyster I'm sure there's plenty of esolangs, at least. My language Acc!! comes to mind.

(Technically, I don't have a TC-ness proof, but I'm pretty sure it is)

thejonymyster

ill read into it :D

thejonymyster

5:24 PM

it is beyond me :^)

DLosc

Also Turing Machine Code. Without newlines, all it can do is either halt immediately or loop forever.

@thejonymyster Mission accomplished :P

Aaroneous Miller

I don't see what's so difficult about Acc!!, so there's only one thing to do. I'll have to try it out and torture myself with it in order to understand.

*Flashbacks to using Flipbit*

caird coinheringaahing

Taryn's leaving SE :(

DLosc

@AaroneousMiller Dew it >:)

caird coinheringaahing

@AaroneousMiller Honestly, this could be the script for the new Mario movie :P

Aaroneous Miller

5:41 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing It'd probably be better than the old one :p

DLosc

@PyGamer0 Looks pretty good, as long as you don't mind that some of the characters are not monospaced in most monospace fonts. (DejaVu Sans Mono works, though.)

thejonymyster

6:29 PM

are there any 2d apls

hyper-neutrino

6:40 PM

what does that even mean

thejonymyster

are there any APLs that are structured like your run of the mill 2dlang

Adám

Original "A Programming Language" was 2D.

thejonymyster

is there anywhere i can read about that? im going to guess that the name isnt googleable

Adám

apl.wiki/A_Programming_Language of course.

thejonymyster

thank u

so, did no one try it again after that? i cant find anything else 2d on that wiki

Adám

6:54 PM

I don't think so. Once the language was linearised, it stayed that way.

emanresu A

@lyxal xor reduce (3 bytes in Vyxal)

thejonymyster

@Adám it just seems like the whole "take input from both sides" thing could be generalized for some family friendly 2d fun

New Posts

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Q: S + S + ... + S, as Large as Possible!

Let \$S \subset \mathbb N_{\geq0}\$ be a subset of the nonnegative integers, and let $$ S^{(k)} = \underbrace{S + S + \dots + S}_{k\ \textrm{times}} = \{ a_1 + a_2 + \dots + a_k : a_i \in S\}. $$ For example, $$\begin{align} \{1,2,3\}^{(2)} &= \{1+1, 1+2, 1+3, 2+1, 2+2, 2+3, 3+1, 3+2, 3+3\}\\ &=\...

thejonymyster

> or you can give any other reasonable answer

is it just me or is that coming off as more vague than probably intended?

actually, i dont really understand the question at all :D

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts CMC: Given a set S and an integer k, determine if \$S^{(k)}\$ is k-maximal

emanresu A

7:08 PM

Bye

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing 4 bytes in Jelly

hyper-neutrino

i believe hover for spoiler should work for 4 lol. is that what you had?

caird coinheringaahing

yep :P

byte for described byte :P

thejonymyster

woah, ive never seen a link used like that

noted

hyper-neutrino

[shown text](url "tooltip")

it's pretty cool

Adám

7:28 PM

@thejonymyster Yeah, I thought about that as a kid, especially for operators which take two additional operands. E.g. the current 1+∘÷⍣=1 where the two 1s are arguments to +∘÷⍣= while +∘÷ and = are additional operands to ⍣ could be written as:

 +
 ∘
 ÷
1⍣1
 =

thejonymyster

multiple inputs, but also: multiple outputs >:)

imagine input being taken implicitly both regularly and reversed :)

Adám

By why limit to 2D?

thejonymyster

monitors

Adám

The +∘÷ should have ∘ just above ⍣ with + in front of ⍣ and ÷ behind ⍣.

thejonymyster

hmm

the issue i imagine with 3d+ langs is like, how do you type the program

~~maybe you could use combining diacritics~~

Adám

7:36 PM

Just transpose axes as you navigate your code.

thejonymyster

that sounds above my level of knowledge :o what is "trust" meaning in this context

oh, i see

    |
_  _| my 3d code
     \
      \

oh, leading spaces are removed from every line oops

Adám

Press Ctrl+K

You can still edit your msg.

thejonymyster

thats as good as its gonna get haha

Aaroneous Miller

@thejonymyster Levels

thejonymyster

7:52 PM

ah, thats pretty good

what we really need is a 3d programming IDE

think about how dope and scifi thatd be

Unrelated String

8:04 PM

imagine just writing like a normal program in like java or something in a vr ide
that sounds hilarious

like you have some kind of shitty uml diagram that you muck around with in 3d 5% of the time and then the other 95% of the time is stuck trying to type on a simulated keyboard

thejonymyster

id watch someone stream that

Unrelated String

same

Aaroneous Miller

I've got a headset, so if someone makes an IDE, I'll learn whatever language it's for just to do this. /hj

thejonymyster

3d apl

Anush

Hi

Aaroneous Miller

8:18 PM

@thejonymyster That's as good an excuse as any to learn it

Anush

Let me call a setrepeat any sequences of numbers of where the set of numbers in the first half is the same as the set of numbers in the second half

so 1,4,3,3,4,1 is a setrepeat

thejonymyster

@Anush "Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged!"

Anush

@thejonymyster I haven’t finished yet :)

thejonymyster

oops ':) carry on

Anush

1,4,1,3,1,4,3 is also a setrepeat as the first half can be 1,4,1,3 and the second half 1,4,3 which are the same sets

CMC iterate over all arrays of length 7 containing no setrepeats as a sub array. The numbers should be in the range 1 to 5

@thejonymyster now I have finished :)

thejonymyster

8:26 PM

is 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3 a setrepeat? (assuming yes)

wait, fixd

Anush

Yes it is

thejonymyster

sorry, i messed up the first time

ok good

Anush

1,2,3,1,2,2,3,6 is also banned because it contains a setrepeat as a subarray

thejonymyster

naturally

Anush

:)

thejonymyster

8:28 PM

but i guess 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 6, 2, 3 isnt one / doesnt have one

Anush

Correct

thejonymyster

understood

no idea how to approach this programmatically btw but im glad i at least understand the question :)

Anush

:)

Aaroneous Miller

How many of these render for y'all:
̀ ́ ̂ ̃ ̄ ̅ ̆ ̇ ̈ ̉ ̊ ̋ ̌ ̍ ̎ ̏ ̐ ̑ ̒ ̓ ̔ ̕ ̖ ̗ ̘ ̙ ̚ ̛ ̜ ̝ ̞ ̟ ̠ ̡ ̢ ̣ ̤ ̥ ̦ ̧ ̨ ̩ ̪ ̫ ̬ ̭ ̮ ̯ ̰ ̱ ̲ ̳ ̴ ̵ ̶ ̷ ̸ ̹ ̺ ̻ ̼ ̽ ̾ ̿ ̀ ́ ͂ ̓ ̈́ ͅ ͆ ͇ ͈ ͉ ͊ ͋ ͌ ͍ ͎ ͏ ͐ ͑ ͒ ͓ ͔ ͕ ͖ ͗ ͘ ͙ ͚ ͛ ͜ ͝ ͞ ͟ ͠ ͡ ͢ ͣ ͤ ͥ ͦ ͧ ͨ ͩ ͪ ͫ ͬ ͭ ͮ ͯ ᷀ ᷁ ᷂ ᷃ ᷄ ᷅ ᷆ ᷇ ᷈ ᷉ ᷊ ⃐ ⃑ ⃒ ⃓ ⃔ ⃕ ⃖ ⃗ ⃘ ⃙ ⃚ ⃛ ⃜ ⃝ ⃞ ⃟ ⃠ ⃡ ⃢ ⃣ ⃤ ⃥ ⃦ ⃧ ⃨ ⃩ ⃪ ⃫ ⃬ ⃭ ⃮ ⃯ ⃰ ︠ ︡ ︢ ︣

Anush

maybe you have now clarified it for everyone else!

Adám

8:30 PM

@AaroneousMiller How would we know about those that don't render?

thejonymyster

squares

Aaroneous Miller

^

thejonymyster

́ ̂ ̃ ̄ ̅ ̆ ̇ ̈ ̉ ̊ ̋ ̌ ̍ ̎ ̏ ̐ ̑ ̒ ̓ ̔ ̕ ̖ ̗ ̘ ̙ ̚ ̛ ̜ ̝ ̞ ̟ ̠ ̡ ̢ ̣ ̤ ̥ ̦ ̧ ̨ ̩ ̪ ̫ ̬ ̭ ̮ ̯ ̰ ̱ ̲ ̳ ̴ ̵ ̶ ̷ ̸ ̹ ̺ ̻ ̼ ̽ ̾ ̿ ̀ ́ ͂ ̓ ̈́ ͅ ͆ ͇ ͈ ͉ ͊ ͋ ͌ ͍ ͎ ͏ ͐ ͑ ͒ ͓ ͔ ͕ ͖ ͗ ͘ ͙ ͚ ͛ ͜ ͝ ͞ ͟ ͠ ͡ ͢ ͣ ͤ ͥ ͦ ͧ ͨ ͩ ͪ ͫ ͬ ͭ ͮ ͯ ᷀ ᷁ ᷂ ᷃ ᷄ ᷅ ᷆ ᷇ ᷈ ᷉ ᷊ ⃐ the last one here is a square

Aaroneous Miller

though i guess for some it just doesn't show up at all

thejonymyster

then a bunch of squares

⃮ ⃯ ⃰ ︠ ︡ ︢ ︣ and for some reason i cant copy the ones at the end that show up properly

i thought i selected two squares followed by some symbols, but when i send, the squares are gone and theres some weird underlining

but it seems like a good lot of them, considering how densely packed they seem to be

Aaroneous Miller

8:33 PM

@thejonymyster Some of the upper or lower ones probably look like they're in a different line than they are

thejonymyster

30+ish boxes

for me its all on one line :o

oh

wait

idk then

a screenshot, my goodness

Aaroneous Miller

8:34 PM

for me around 30 don't render, but they all render in np++

FF/Win FTW!

anybody know what fonts are good for combining characters?

Adám

I think DejaVu's fonts are.

Aaroneous Miller

8:44 PM

cool

caird coinheringaahing

@AaroneousMiller How many boxes should there be, and should there be an actual square vs the APL style empty quad?

Cause I see one APL quad, and one square

Aaroneous Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing There is a couple that look like boxes; one is a square and one is a rectangle. Ideally it should look pretty much like Adam's screenshot.

user

9:47 PM

@AaroneousMiller I see no squares, so I assume all of them render for me (Firefox, Windows 10)

caird coinheringaahing

Am I imagining things, or was a flag just raised then immediately disappeared?

Redwolf Programs

10:17 PM

The flag was there for a few minutes for me

It was in spanish though

user

^ It was probably dismissed just as you received it

@lyxal Scala: s=>0.to(10).map(s count _.==)?

@lyxal Scala: _ filter _.toSet

@lyxal Scala: _.filter(_%2<1)

@lyxal Scala, 123 bytes:

l=>{val s=(for i<-l.indices;j<-i+1 to l.size;x=l.slice(i,j);if x.zip(x.tail)forall(_<_)yield x)maxBy(_.size);s.size->s.sum}

Wezl

10:50 PM

tmw you accidentally mistype a rdoc flag and it generates documentation for your entire folder of homework, including converting your html files to html by interpreting them as rdoc markup

yes, you are expected to relate

user

Sorry, can't relate to doing homework

Speaking of rdoc, I tried rickrolling my entire class using this script on a shared Google Doc that was displayed on a projector at the front of the class, but the teacher was at the other side of the classroom and somehow no one saw it >:(

lyxal

Imagine doing homework in 2021

Wezl

oh yeah I forgot to mention that the homework folder was empty :P

lyxal

@Wezl h...how'd it manage to generate documentation from nothing?

Wezl

@user yes ofc, rdoc is exactly the same as google docs but for ruby :P

user

10:57 PM

@lyxal Ruby is magic, it can create something out of nothing :P

Wezl

@lyxal in my hemisphere we do things differently :P

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I thought you lived in America

user

@Wezl That implies the Earth is a sphere lol

Wezl

fine, in my hemicoookie

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal Wha

lyxal

11:00 PM

@RedwolfPrograms how tf you seeing a flag raised outside caird's window when caird is in the UK? /s

Redwolf Programs

Binoculars and some mirrors

lyxal

Those are some dang good mirrors then

Redwolf Programs

We set it up the other day, took a lot of string to get the two tin cans to connect so we could talk

user

@lyxal Obviously, the UK government has cameras outside caird's house because they're a Jellyer and a potential threat to national security. Redwolf merely haxxed into the mainframe by overclocking their quantum GPU databases and used those cameras to see the flag outside caird's house :P

lyxal

Redwolf 1337h4xx0r confirmed?!?

user

11:14 PM

You don't have to be a 1337 haxxor to hack into the government's mainframe, as movies have repeatedly proven. Any two-bit script kiddy can just get in by putting on a hoodie, mashing their keyboard, and then (this is the important part) yelling "Bingo! I'm in!"

Wezl

@Wezl how about I just turn them in like this

user

Why were you running rdoc on the folder containing your homework anyway?

Wezl

because I'm switching from raw html to rdoc and I was testing something, but I mistyped and it has pretty bad defaults

user

LaTeX and MD ftw

Redwolf Programs

@user With jQuery and blockchain

Can't forget those two

user

11:17 PM

(tbh I don't even know how rdoc works or if MD has better defaults or whatever)

@RedwolfPrograms Of course, of course, as well as your deep clustered learning artificial intelligence algorithms amirite

Redwolf Programs

@user You missed a step. Flashing, bright green terminal outputs are essential. Rapidly scrolling columns of digits are preferred, but if you want to get past a firewall they're essential.

user

I've honestly started enjoying technobabble now

Wezl

@user there aren't really any advantages of rdoc over markdown that I've seen, the actual tool supports markdown documentation, and markdown is more popular (except for for ruby code), but I just don't want to be boring :P

user

@RedwolfPrograms Also graphics in the background of absolutely useless and irrelevant stuff

@Wezl "I just don't want to be boring" is enough justification :P

Redwolf Programs

Typically you need blueprints of the server room, which can be obtained in a couple seconds, as long as you have some sort of nonsensical quip ready

Adám

11:20 PM

I speculate that every professional and domain expert groans at how movies and TV shows portrays their field.

user

Doctors are probably worse off

thejonymyster

what about tv professionals

Adám

I met an FBI officer the other day, and asked him if he sees detective shows, and if so, what he thinks about them.

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Redwolf Programs

Idk, I'm not sure how much worse you could get than computer science/cybersecurity technobabble in shows

Wezl

@user if I was going to be boring, I'd write on paper like a sane person. Markdown is the unnecessary middleground

user

11:21 PM

"His heart's stopped!"
"Quick, get the defibrillator!"
*Hits chest with defibrillators a few times*
*gasps* "What happened?" *walks out of bed like nothing happened*

@Adám Well, what did he say? Don't keep us hanging

Redwolf Programs

@user You have to yell "clear" first!

thejonymyster

fore

Redwolf Programs

And make a whining noise with increasing pitch!

Adám

He said that FBI is actually portrayed pretty accurately, except that it is a slow job; no case is solved in 60 minutes. And they don't just jet around to places; in his almost 30 years of service, he's only been on a Gulfstream once.

user

And for a few seconds, it looks like they're not going to make it...but then they do!

Wezl

11:22 PM

@Adám worse (In my extremely biased and limited personal experience solely because I'm not an "expert"), anyone who catches me in a terminal assumes I'm "hacking"

Adám

Oh yes, the usual "you're programmer – fix my phone!".

user

@Adám I'm assuming they don't get DNA results back in like 5 minutes by "calling in a favor" lol

Redwolf Programs

If you're in a terminal and you're not hacking, what are you doing with your life

Adám

@user No, but apparently they can force pretty much anyone to do anything.

user

:|

Wezl

11:23 PM

@Adám maybe if you're working with adults

Adám

I certainly can't stand seeing orthodox Jews/Jewish life on-screen. It is almost always laughably far off.

user

@RedwolfPrograms If you have a terminal disease and you're not hacking, you mean?

Adám

Now I want to know what professional chefs think about cooking shows…

user

Aren't those somewhat more realistic than (non-documentary) movies because people are actually cooking?

Redwolf Programs

Anything involving a court room tends to be pretty far off

user

11:26 PM

@Adám What parts of it?

@RedwolfPrograms Ooh yeah I love it when they bring up some new piece of evidence on like the last day

Adám

@user Language and mode of speech, dress, customs, places, homes, schooling, food, y'name it.

Redwolf Programs

"Objection!" then an immediate "Sustained" is so annoying

user

Also when the protagonist (either the lawyer or his client) goes on an impassioned rant and no one cares at all

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms And of course the obvious stupidly incorrect thing the other side does to prompt it

user

I never realized they took off the headrests in cars until I read about it on Reddit. Now I can't help but see it everywhere... :(

Adám

11:31 PM

@user Explain.

user

Not much to explain, they take off the headrests in cars (I think they're called headrests, whatever that thing at the back of your head on top of the seat is called) so that you can see the actors' faces better when they turn around completely to face the people in the back (another pet peeve of mine, why can't they look ahead?)

Adám

Huh, didn't notice.

user

@Adám That sucks. I'd expect this to happen with entirely foreign cultures, but not when there's so many Jews in the US (assuming we're talking solely about Hollywood here, I don't watch too many foreign movies lol)

Adám

@user Very few orthodox Jews are involved in the entertainment industry. If Hollywood had just bothered to ask… But then again, they clearly don't care about accuracy when picturing other specifics, so why this?

I can only assume that image drawn up of, say, the Vatican, or far-away cultures, is grossly distorted too.

user

I guess all of those are considered minor details ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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