The Nineteenth Byte

user

00:00

> Most species exhibit at least one trait in common: they are all very intelligent. A lot of the time this intelligence comes in the form of an extreme lack of common sense

Yup, whenever I see someone lacking common sense, I think to myself "Wow, that person must be really smart!"

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lyxal

This is all gpt3 generated btw

user

I know, it's in that uncanny valley where it's not complete gibberish but still weird af

Niko

But that's kinda true

DLosc

@user Also the use of the word "frick" as a noun. I'm pretty sure "commit frick" is not normal English. :P

user

wdym, didn't you learn that idiom in first grade? :P

caird coinheringaahing

00:07

@user "LSD Church" sounds like a version of the church that is much cooler than any possible version they could think of :P

DLosc

@user Yes, but only because I went to a school that offered Lyxal as a Second Language

caird coinheringaahing

Actually, next time someone invites me to church, I should say yes and take a tab of acid as communion :P

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing it takes the term "high priest" to a whole different level :p

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DLosc

So I just reread this flag discussion and this older flag discussion, and my response has ballooned into something of an essay. What's the best place to post it? An answer to an existing meta question? A new meta question? A GitHub gist?

(I should add that it's not a very constructive response. The main conclusion is that a coherent policy on flags is impossible.)

caird coinheringaahing

Sharing it here (e.g. in a gist) is probably best, if you don't intend for it to be an actual answer

If you think that the site/meta would benefit from discussion about it, then as a Q or an A would work

DLosc

00:21

Okay, I'll start with the gist + link approach and then if people think it should be on meta after they read it, I can post it there too.

user

@lyxal Ah, is that what they meant when they referred to kings as "Your Highness"? :P

lyxal

@user exactly :p

user

@DLosc If you want to introduce changes to the current flag policy, you could probably go on meta (although caird's suggestion of first trying a gist is probably best)

caird coinheringaahing

For example: look at Redwolf's flag opinions :P

Redwolf clearly has strong opinions on flag usage. However, he's never written those down into either a Q or A, because (AFAIK) he believes that his opinion isn't likely to change how we as a site consider flags

(Feel free to correct me if I'm misrepresenting your opinions, Redwolf)

lyxal

00:56

@RedwolfPrograms thank you for doing my job for me

OldSandboxPosts

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lyxal

02:34

Confucius says: "understanding patriots"

pVC aecidiospore adduced

04:36

oh yeah i have flags planned for dinoux

^ @RedwolfPrograms is that legal?

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's a pretty fair summary. I mostly agree that our current method is the among the fairest possible, although it's still quite bad.

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced It's allowed, but please don't

Please

lyxal

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced do it

emanresu A

Do it

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i will do it

lyxal

good

Redwolf Programs

04:38

Just warning, you I will downvote every flag abusing answer

pVC aecidiospore adduced

the --log is useful for debugging

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms yeah we know

Redwolf Programs

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Those flags are fine

It's ones like "join output with newlines" that can be abused more easily

pVC aecidiospore adduced

example question?

Redwolf Programs

FizzBuzz

Outputting a list of lines and using a flag to join them with newlines is very clearly cheating

But technically allowed

emanresu A

04:40

I'd say it's borderline

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i dont have strings

Redwolf Programs

@emanresuA It's about the cheatiest you can get IMO

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms it wouldnt even work like that

Redwolf Programs

The challenge explicitly does not allow returning a list of lines, which is what the program itself does

emanresu A

Most challenges allow outputtiing an array of lines instead of a string anyway though

Redwolf Programs

04:41

Using a flag is just offloading required work into the flags

@emanresuA ^^^

Bubbler

Protip: Don't solve fizzbuzz in your language

pVC aecidiospore adduced

well but if the top is [49, 10, 50, 10, 70, 105, 112, 122, 10, 52]

emanresu A

@Bubbler HQ9+F, 1 byte

Redwolf Programs

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Then use proper output and join commands in the code itself

pVC aecidiospore adduced

then the `-j` flags does:
49
10
50
10
70
105
112
112
10
52

which isnt fizzbuzz

Redwolf Programs

04:44

Well sure, but there's more than one challenge you can abuse flags on

pVC aecidiospore adduced

example?

Redwolf Programs

If in one specific scenario with one specific flag you can't cheat on FizzBuzz, you're just like every other language

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Quite a few kolmos

Requiring outputting as a newline separarated string isn't super uncommon for those

I'd rather not get into the flag argument now, but please...please don't add them

It's not funny and it's not cool anymore

It's just edginess for the sake of edginess

pVC aecidiospore adduced

well its helpful; and you need another command to output as chars

Redwolf Programs

Sure it's helpful, in the same way that breaking your opponent's legs is helpful in a race

pVC aecidiospore adduced

-p and -P are for testing

Redwolf Programs

04:47

The testing ones are fine

pVC aecidiospore adduced

-N is cursed

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms You've helped continue some of it...

pVC aecidiospore adduced

-a is for the online interpreter

lyxal

@emanresuA lol it's funny because that's something we're actually going to do

Redwolf Programs

Why not just jeeo those ones, and get rid of ones like j?

Flags for debugging are good and perfectly okay

hyper-neutrino

04:48

how is a random joke message about vyxal's excessive flags from august 10th "contributing" to flag overusage and how did you even find that

emanresu A

@lyxal Yes

Bubbler

I just read overusage as "oversausage"

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emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Because I remembered that, and because we're actually implementing it

lyxal

#223 goes brr

Redwolf Programs

You realize you're basically parodying your own language?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

04:50

> I've converted this to a full issue because it seems like quite a big feature request and will need discussion

comments: 0

hyper-neutrino

depending on what exactly this flag does that... might almost be not as insane as i thought?

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms By implementing a joke I made about how transparently cheaty and over-specific some of Vyxal's flags are?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

also the -t flag will change it to a tacit language :P

hyper-neutrino

language flags are only helpful in language challenges where encoding data not from english is the whole point in the challenge so nvm

emanresu A

Ok, let's just implement the opposite of what Redwolf says now.

Redwolf Programs

04:51

Add lots of flags and take this out of context

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Might help with compression in certain cases ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

Add j

Add s

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I can't wait to quote this out of context

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal vyxal should really have a flag that changes the paradgrim of the language

Redwolf Programs

Why?

lyxal

04:52

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced now that's just ridiculous

I'd have to plan, specify, design and play with a whole new language concept

It took me half a year to get a basic feel of the stack paradigm

pVC aecidiospore adduced

no just make a separate interpreter with the same code page

Redwolf Programs

Oh easy

Give me ten minutes :p

hyper-neutrino

i considered that for yuno so i could use the same built-in set but either stack or tacit so i could try out both but decided against it because tacit languages will be weaker in some situations and that's something my language's users (so, nobody) should deal with

pVC aecidiospore adduced

and depending on the flag just switch

lyxal

37 secs ago, by lyxal

I'd have to plan, specify, design and play with a whole new language concept

hyper-neutrino

04:54

it's easier to make a tacit language stack-based than vice versa

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms vyelly?

vyxal + jelly?

hyper-neutrino

because with stack-based languages you really only have to consider two things; 1. how to load STDIN onto the stack, and 2. whether 1 2 - is -1 or 1

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@hyper-neutrino easy, everyone prefers ¯1

hyper-neutrino

actually vyxal is tacit

Redwolf Programs

I have some new ideas for the stack paradigm coming soon

lyxal

04:55

@hyper-neutrino yeah, most stack languages are

hyper-neutrino

mhm

lyxal

at least, Wikipedia considers stack languages tacit

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Quite a few golfs it'll allow for

pVC aecidiospore adduced

because stack based is postfix, just transpose the operator to prev

hyper-neutrino

i mean they do not refer to their arguments explicitly. therefore it is tacit

Redwolf Programs

04:55

@RedwolfPrograms The advantages of tacit, with the usability of stack based

Stay tuned for more

hyper-neutrino

and no stack-based is not equivalent to postfix

lyxal

^

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@hyper-neutrino ?

emanresu A

Postfix is a subset of stack-based

pVC aecidiospore adduced

then which is correct 1 2-

hyper-neutrino

04:57

*sigh* ok postfix just means that operators come after their arguments

postfix is also not a subset of stack-based and neither is it vice versa because they aren't related

stack-based is a memory model, postfix is a parsing structure

pVC aecidiospore adduced

51AC8, 4 bytes: 1 2-; ¯1

Redwolf Programs

A car is a subset of a road

2

By that logic :p

hyper-neutrino

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced ?

Redwolf Programs

Also it was my birthday today!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@hyper-neutrino it outputs ¯1

hyper-neutrino

05:01

@RedwolfPrograms happy birthfay!

Redwolf Programs

Got a 3d printer

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms happy birthfay!

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms you're finally catching up to us ;p

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@hyper-neutrino i got ninja;d

emanresu A

Happy birthday! You're old now!

hyper-neutrino

05:01

@RedwolfPrograms do you have any ideas for what you're going to print already :p

Redwolf Programs

Also...the fact that I'm now old enough that I'd be allowed to drive if I got a license is terrifying

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms good now print benchy the boat

hyper-neutrino

how old is that again; i forgor

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Parts to improve the 3d printer :p

@hyper-neutrino 16

hyper-neutrino

~~smol child~~ wow ur old now

emanresu A

05:02

59 secs ago, by emanresu A

Happy birthday! You're old now!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms 16

which country?

Redwolf Programs

US

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i read that as the word us oof

emanresu A

I read it as SUS

pVC aecidiospore adduced

sus indeed

sus us

susus

sausage?

Redwolf Programs

05:04

lyxal

ayo is anyone here from Silver Spring Maryland?

Because I just got a call from a number from america

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal SSM -> solid state machine

lyxal

which is weird, because I live in Australia

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal redwolf called you?

Redwolf Programs

I live in Texas :p

pVC aecidiospore adduced

05:05

oh

lyxal

yeah redwolf is in the yeehaw state

emanresu A

How would Redwolf know your phone number?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

wait

lyxal

@emanresuA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@emanresuA 911 is @lyxal's phone number

please call him now

Redwolf Programs

05:06

When I was 4 I told my super religious cousin that if you dialed 911 you could talk to god

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms and...

Redwolf Programs

I did participate in a fair bit of trolling

pVC aecidiospore adduced

FBI Open UP

lyxal

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced idiot. The New Zealand emergency number is 111

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal so 7?

lyxal

05:07

7?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

yes 7 base 2

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms (it's called we do a little trolling)

att

how do you remember things from when you were 4

Niko

how do I repeat certain stuff

lyxal

@Niko depends on what you're trying to repeat

Redwolf Programs

05:09

@att I actually don't remember it unfortunately, I was told about it a few years back

lyxal

@Niko do you mean loop the code?

@Niko ɾṘ3(⁽ɾMf)Ṙ

Niko

oh

thanks master lyxal

emanresu A

vɾ instead of ⁽ɾM

Is this triple countdown thingy?

Niko

yes

Redwolf Programs

Anyway, it's getting a little late here so o/

Niko

05:12

is there auto flat? :P

i am more into the flag cult

hyper-neutrino

consider: just put computation in your code

lyxal

05:30

Lol I still have jira on my phone from when we tried to use it for issue organisation

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Khinchin's constant bad estimate Inspired by How to write down numbers having an infinity of decimals? Link 🇫🇷 Background From Wikipedia: for almost all real numbers x, coefficients ai of the continued fraction expansion of x have a finite geometric mean that is independent of the value of x an...

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal oh yeah that

that went about as well as everyone expected it seems lol

i was hoping it'd do smth but i am not surprised it went unused

pVC aecidiospore adduced

07:00

> 69 instructions, implemented by 212 operation codes

nice

Neil

07:53

should be 420 operations overloaded onto 69 bytes

pVC aecidiospore adduced

yes

CMQ: Can anyone guess which microprocessor is that ^^

rak1507

can't guess but I can google it :P

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@rak1507 so what did you find?

rak1507

WDC 65C02

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@rak1507 correct.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

08:13

CMQ: Is there a way to set the prompt of bc?

rak1507

recompile with the prompt changed?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

hm where is the source?

rak1507

if you're using gnu bc, gnu.org/software/bc

that was mostly joking though you probably don't want to have to recompile something

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i am using msys2 bc

rak1507

you could also try editing the executable with a hex editor of your choice but things might break maybe lol

pVC aecidiospore adduced

08:18

@rak1507 wha

WHAT

bruh idk .exe formats

rak1507

find where the prompt string is stored, edit it to something else

pVC aecidiospore adduced

now how do i complie the thing lol

does it use some other build system?

i think i got it

rak1507

nice

pVC aecidiospore adduced

step 1: i generated the makefiles sucessfully

after changing a single value in the Makefile; it errors

well time to build again

C:\Users\NOPE\Desktop\stuff\bc-1.07.1\bc/execute.c:296: undefined reference to 'random'

ok i give up

emanresu A

08:45

Hello

pVC aecidiospore adduced

o/

caird coinheringaahing

09:35

@RedwolfPrograms You got a 3D printer for your 16th birthday?!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

09:57

assumption: caird lives in US

caird coinheringaahing

11:19

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced You've assumed wrong :P

emanresu A

11:47

To all the Reinstate Monica users out there:

Hiho - Who's Monica

39 5

'night

New Posts

12:08

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Q: Longest Uncommon Substring

For the purposes of this challenge a substring \$B\$ of some string \$A\$ is string such that it can be obtained by removing some number of characters (possibly zero) from the front and back of \$A\$. For example \$face\$ is a substring of \$defaced\$ \$ de\color{red}{face}d \$ This is also call...

code-golf string

Wheat Wizard

12:36

@cairdcoinheringaahing btw your query here: data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1410902/… just outputs the same user over and over again.

I also don't think it's accurate at all.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

12:48

@cairdcoinheringaahing britain? cananda?

Aaron Miller

@WheatWizard Dennis is just that good

Wheat Wizard

I think you mean the Dennises are just that good.

Aaron Miller

Yes, all of the Dennis are fabulous.

caird coinheringaahing

@WheatWizard Are you sure? 3196% sounds accurate to me :P

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced One of those, yes :P

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@cairdcoinheringaahing canada

Wheat Wizard

12:55

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well we should probably open a bug with meta.se because it looks like Dennis hasn't received the 31 socratic badges!

caird coinheringaahing

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced UK :P

Redwolf Programs

13:29

Morning!

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yep!

Having to go to school while I have a half assembled 3d printer at home is very painful :p

lyxal

13:52

Well if you're schooling, I'm sleeping

o/

Redwolf Programs

o/

Anush

silly question but if I want to do max(abs(a), abs(b)) what is the smallest number of comparisons needed to compute the answer (without using max or abs)?

just "if" and comparisons

Redwolf Programs

One, right?

Oh wait

abs

Probably three

pVC aecidiospore adduced

3

Anush

how would you do it?

Redwolf Programs

14:02

The normal way

var pa = a < 0 ? -a : a;
var pb = b < 0 ? -b : b;

return pa < pb ? pb : pa;

If you count using a ternary operator as two comparisons for some reason, you can make a return-early abs function and use that, then a return-early max.

Taco タコス

I think the mobius sudoku is ready for public consumption; does anyone care to provide any final feedback before it goes live?

Additionally, would it be better to post today or next Monday based on traffic?

I just want to do the post justice for the original poster

Anush

14:30

@RedwolfPrograms thanks!

I was hoping there might be an optimization...oh well

Aaron Miller

That moment when you press i to go into insert mode, but you're using notepad++. :/

Taco タコス

I know this post is old, and it's helping me learn, but it's also one that generates opinionated answers. Flagged it as such to prevent any future opinionated answers.

Still a great post

Oh wow, I didn't see the stack of "Tips for golfing in X" posts

So my flag is likely moot then?

Is there a way to rescind it if so?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

14:57

i made something useful

Redwolf Programs

15:14

Wait...are you PyGamer0?

I'm so stupid

caird coinheringaahing

@Tacoタコス You can, by navigating to your flag dashboard /users/user_id/flagging I believe, but it's in the review queues now, so I doubt that'll do anything

Tips for golfing in X are on topic here, as answers have to provide some way of showing that their tip would actually shorten code in some way. Answers that dont show some form of golfing advice (e.g. "you can make your code look fancier by using Unicode characters instead of letters in Python") aren't acceptable answers tho, so "opinion-based" wouldn't apply

@Tacoタコス I suggest loosening the output rules, and using standard decision-problem output

For example, 1/0 for true/false, or "non-zero integer"/"zero" etc.

Taco タコス

15:38

I originally had it that way but was advised that it might be better to change it; I think the output should be whatever truthy and falsey values the language you're working in would use, so long as answerers explain how their truthy and falsey values work

That way answerers can work with their native boolean types

pVC aecidiospore adduced

16:04

@RedwolfPrograms wait

so you thought i was someone else?

i thought you knew who i was lmao

Redwolf Programs

16:28

I figured you were someone I knew about who'd changed their name, but I didn't really think too hard about it :p

DLosc

17:05

I love how in the Featured on Meta section, we currently have the following headline: "Profile image changes (TL/DR: You won't be able to switch back to your old..."

When the TL/DR summary is so long that it gets cut off...

Redwolf Programs

We need a TLDTLDR

DLosc

"Like your Gravatar? Don't change your email"

Redwolf Programs

How is Jelly's Ẏ different from F? Is F recursive?

caird coinheringaahing

F is "deep flatten" ([[[1,2],[3,4]],[5,6],[7,8]] -> [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8]), Ẏ flattens by one depth level ([[[1,2],[3,4]],[5,6],[7,8]] -> [[1,2],[3,4],5,6,7,8])

Redwolf Programs

Ah, ok

Aaron Miller

17:18

Sep 20 at 13:34, by Aaron Miller

I'll tell you guys my horrible idea if/when I do it.

Redwolf Programs

Why is Jelly's U so weird?

Aaron Miller

https://tio.run/##vVXbcppQFH3N8OJMHs6LL8aAeImRizeMGgw2jW1TzaW2SRMjEYwgCCo1YDQf0i/o1/UX7AEkEy9pMtOZjg4H9l6ss/beCxjNZqquET6VR@ChZR8EBPGphn2Qfv/8Za8a0jRwwUJxnS2AzWCMBMjEUnBDzw0TeALHEyJAGmW8xYHNQqvDD6jeIIxvxvEIQIDf3whKHM7Du7USzPcGlA0JQx6MSqUdiKpBkMnhkqWYK6z8Ait4Rmtxq6LU8TJBc3z6bNvwIlOCjsSWQhgdJZl0lo4428AylwUQTwLG3Bu6IryoX3799vX3skZHNSyULZBkfGgMFLFntxOmJAL4G6bTbKMKQ69CYU6RzZpGEgRASIICCEWRwN/tdm1RhCPqSZ5sKVOXtWmUAsAnByB/a@XXbgT7FioI3ef/smo4jewD/3LRpwuu6Hvd0bmmocz1vSCmW3LUQHCLE4Sc1A7Y1xtFWEZPG6iBbgVSOyGMhqwA@DQvkHADsD8AERUPX6vaMVkW4LIBEz2AQHKDa/CuJ2LAp0TTqTTpnFBkNuOcZCjGDSRdRHaed7NuDmb8zjjt7d0K2xz…

I think I'm going to go lie down now.

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Is it designed that way on purpose, or just a consequence of Jelly's vectorization?

caird coinheringaahing

It's designed that way

In fact, U' was the only way to flat reverse a list for a while

Aaron Miller

@AaronMiller For anyone wondering, it's a not-quite-functioning Malbolge interpreter. There's still a few bugs to work out.

DLosc

17:22

@AaronMiller That is a horrible idea! Good job! :D

3

Aaron Miller

\o/

Redwolf Programs

According to my Jelly corpus, ³ has been used 333 times

Taco タコス

17:44

What would be a good golfing language to start with, coming from C#?

Redwolf Programs

You could try Pip, although it's an older (less golfy) one

rak1507

any of them really, but github.com/jcoehoorn/SlimSharp might interest you?

Redwolf Programs

I've heard good things about Husk, and there's Jelly of course if you want a challenge

caird coinheringaahing

I'd say that previous programming lang experience doesn't really impact it

Taco タコス

@RedwolfPrograms Oh that's nice

Thanks!

caird coinheringaahing

17:47

Aside from the obvious APL/J -> Jelly, most langs would be a completely new start

Taco タコス

@RedwolfPrograms trying to find some resources for learning and compiling jelly lol

@rak1507 This is what I was saying was nice earlier lol

Redwolf Programs

I'd recommend HN's JHT site

Taco タコス

I misdirected my response lol

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly Hypertraining

Practice your Jelly :) Rules and stuff are here: golfingsucces...

1

Taco タコス

Sorry about that

Redwolf Programs

17:48

jht.hyper-neutrino.xyz IIRC

That has lots of resources and a TIO page

You can download the Jelly interpreter, which is what I did, but it's not really necessary honestly

The online ones are just as good

caird coinheringaahing

HN's JHT site is a really good page

I only downloaded it to work on my fork / answers that time out

Taco タコス

Thank you all for the resources and recommendations! :)

Gotta go write some unit tests, back in a bit :D

Redwolf Programs

Imagine testing your code :p

Taco タコス

@RedwolfPrograms More like making it where our implementation team can focus on feature testing instead of everything testing lol

Aaron Miller

Why test your code when you can just write the whole thing all at once and then spend hours picking it apart to find the one ^ that you forgot to include, only to realize that it's still not working because you don't actually understand how Malbolge works, and no mom, I can't go take out the trash, I'VE ALMOST GOT IT WORKING!

...uh, hypothetically.

Redwolf Programs

18:01

The "no mom, I can't go take out the trash" is too real :p

caird coinheringaahing

"It'll interrupt my work flow, I'm really in the zone atm!" :P

hyper-neutrino

if more people get recommended to my site i might have to make it actually good now, uh oh (:P)

other than the fact that it's totally broken on mobile i'm pretty happy with it, jokes aside

hyper-neutrino

19:40

Privacy Policy has been updated (though this post does not contain the changes, you have to go check it yourself).

Taco タコス

Made final adjustments to the output section of the Mobius Sudoku challenge; if anyone cares to review it. Hopefully that meets everyone's needs now.

hyper-neutrino

20:04

does anyone have any idea how to use input redirection in conjunction with xargs lol

something | xargs program < xyz will make xyz's contents go to the arguments which isn't what i want

never mind i have figured it out (for my specific usage case)

Aaron Miller

Well I just finished memorizing my bitlocker key

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino They're really going for the whole "wall of text" strategy... They could put "BTW, we know where you live" or something at the bottom and it'd take a while for anyone to notice.

hyper-neutrino

oh pxeger made a nice diff here

emanresu A

20:20

> Stack Overflow emails use Javascript for email tracking of opens, clicks, and unsubscribes or may contain a small, invisible, one pixel image which can be used to let us know when the email is opened or forwarded.

Why do they need that, and how long has it existed before they bothered to tell people about it?

Redwolf Programs

Marketing research or something I guess

DLosc

@hyper-neutrino At first, I thought: Oh cool, that'll be a lot easier to read! Then I started reading it. The changes are so pervasive that the diff doesn't help that much. :/

hyper-neutrino

yep

emanresu A

Dammit, Firefox's builtiin tracking content can't find it

Neither can Duckduckgo

Unrelated String

@user true

hyper-neutrino

20:25

i mean if you want to block it you'd have to disable all images from rendering automatically in your email client

there is no way to identify if an image is tracking your IP, when you open the email, etc

incidentically, this can also be exploited to cause security holes on SE itself, which has been public knowledge for like 11 years

emanresu A

If it's from a source outside of Google's image hosting platform...

hyper-neutrino

this is one thing i like about discord

it just takes image links and downloads it itself and puts it onto its cdn

so trackers get precisely one click from discord and then clients loading it take it from discord's cdn. which probably also tracks you but w/e

Redwolf Programs

At least it's Discord tracking you and not whoever feels like doing so

Unrelated String

20:42

correction, it was our fourth day
day 1 was some general context stuff then just individually querying predicates that are only defined with facts (can't remember if we had variables in the queries at that point or not)
day 2 definitely had variables and i think it introduced , and ; but unsurprisingly i took virtually no notes
day 3 definitely had predicates defined with rules
and then we did actually cover arithmetic by the end of day 4 where the very end of day 4 was the class being asked what kind of data structure seems likely to underlie operator expressions and the expected answer wa…

emanresu A

22:02

Um, aren't captchas meant to be doable by humans...

Neil

22:12

Thunderbird can warn you about tracking images in emails, can't it?

user

22:26

@RedwolfPrograms You can't just hop into a car and start driving, kid, you need to actually train first

That said, my skills test consisted only of parking in two different ways :P

emanresu A

Make the car fear you!

user

I fear the car, the pedestrians fear me :P

CMQ: What did you have to do to be allowed to drive?

@hyper-neutrino I like how it's something nobody should deal with, but actually saying that it's "something nobody should deal with" completely changes the meaning :P

@lyxal lol, was it for the warranty on your car?

hyper-neutrino

@user pass a written test about road rules basically which gave me a G1 which lets me drive if someone who has had a full license for 4+ years is next to me

user

Pretty much the same here

hyper-neutrino

22:42

the first driving test consisted of basically just driving around the area and parking which gave me my G2 which lets me drive alone, or with someone with a license on highways

user

There's more?

hyper-neutrino

and eventually i'll do another test which will contain a highway portion which will give me my full license, which i have to do within 5 years of getting my G1 or it expires

user

That sounds a lot saner

hyper-neutrino

@user yes it goes written test → G1 → local road test → G2 → highway test → G

user

Even pre-COVID, we just had a multiple choice test for a learner's permit which seems to work like your G1 and then a single skills test to let you drive pretty much anywhere on your own

hyper-neutrino

22:47

huh, i see

user

Oh yeah there's an eye test too

hyper-neutrino

ah. my license does say on it that i require corrective lenses to drive but i think they just take that info off of my optometrist; i don't recall them doing a test when i got my license

lyxal

23:19

@Tacoタコス (shameless self promotion): vyxal is also good for a first golfing language; it's got things like variables and explicit loops and other programming constructs that you'd be used to, as well as (mostly) everything a golfing language needs

@user warranty? Why tf would I need warranty when I don't drive at all

I mean, I've had about 6 or 8 lessons, and I could drive if I wanted, but I don't want to

user

It was a joke, I always get calls about "my car's warranty" and my SSN and stuff

It's always fun when "the IRS" leaves you a voicemail to tell you they're after you and you need to pay up :P

hyper-neutrino

23:40

something really weird that happened once was i received an obviously fake TD email, but the email didn't actually contain scam links or any place i could be tricked into submitting my login info or anything like that

and it just had some info links that pointed to the actual TD website itself... so like, idk what they were trying to do

Jelly Hypertraining

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