The Nineteenth Byte

Browncat Programs

00:00

TNB can get a little silly at times, but if anyone here ever wants to discuss something more on-topic or serious, please don't hesitate to break up the silliness a little. We're first and foremost a CGCC discussion room.

caird coinheringaahing

I've pinned that because I want to make it clear, and obvious, that, as an RO, I'd prefer to make people comfortable here above all else. That includes jokes, memes and other fun; we're a room about discussing code-golf first, and a fun room second

And, I hope that the other ROs and mods agree with me

Browncat Programs

I certainly do!

Niko

Thinking about why SE chat don't add thread so that the topic problem can be solved easily

Browncat Programs

@Niko It'd be tough to determine when to branch into different threads, and if the topics start to merge it'd make it confusing as to what should happen next

caird coinheringaahing

Threads in chat are a common feature-request

Browncat Programs

00:02

Oh really?

Niko

I mean, no chat room can prevent the problem of mixing topics and having multiple topics running at the same time, messing up chat room a bit

Browncat Programs

I think replies and the ability to edit (especially the ability to edit) are enough to keep the conversations separate enough

Anyway, gtg for dinner o/

caird coinheringaahing

o/

Niko

And the best solution I have seen so far is 1. thread 2.reply 3. sep chat

caird coinheringaahing

That depends on how in depth the chat is

Niko

00:04

Discord's new thread functionality perfectly prove that

Browncat Programs

@Wezl See you around CGCC

caird coinheringaahing

@Niko If that chat is very in depth about something that isn't entirely related to the topic on TNB, then a separate room is appropriate

Otherwise, it's likely a valuable discussion to have here

Niko

agree

caird coinheringaahing

It's not great, as separate rooms tend to die out, but sometimes, it makes more sense to have a discussion elsewhere

Oooh, I'm one answer away from being the first person to get a bronze status-completed tag badge on meta

Niko

But for this type of problem, it's mostly about the inconvenience. Having sep rooms dies out and needing to reply a very far chat and reading so many reply that jumps between different topic

thread just perfectly solve all those problems.

caird coinheringaahing

00:09

@Niko That is a problem. However, please, don't hesitate to ping us ROs if you'd like a message/messages (no matter how old) to be moved to a separate room for such discussion

Niko

@cairdcoinheringaahing thanks for pointing that out for me, I'll keep that in mind

hyper-neutrino

wish discord had a move messages functionality

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms I think you're counting the explanations

Even on the new set of data, € isn't producing more than 1.6k counts

Niko

@hyper-neutrino It have a much aggressive identical function: remove messages

caird coinheringaahing

Removing isn't the same as moving

hyper-neutrino

00:12

off-topic for a room / channel != off-topic for the server

Niko

Wait, we can make a Discord bot that move message

hyper-neutrino

i already did that

it's not the same though because unless you mess around with webhooks it's very hard to make it look like the original convo, and you can't insert it in correct chronological order, and the history gets messed around with

Niko

@hyper-neutrino Looks like you 3 parallel universes ahead of me

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil Sorry for the ping, but, if you don't mind me asking, how did the surgery go?

hyper-neutrino

anyway, i stepped out for a second earlier so i didn't get the chance earlier but i fully support what caird said above earlier

caird coinheringaahing

00:18

Hey, SE mobile chat, why are you like this?

lyxal

Duh

That's how everyone remembers it

You really expect people to actually memorise which symbol does what?

That's just down right stupid

Real gamers draw the teeth on the symbols to really be one with the crocodile

Bubbler

Everyone should use 🐊 instead of >

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing I count a lot of long but still valid jelly programs

I filtered every single one by hand to get rid of explanations

lyxal

@Bubbler dang it why isn't there a crocodile facing the other way

Browncat Programs

@lyxal I do that :p

lyxal

00:29

You actually memorise what < and > do?

What a loser.

Browncat Programs

Oh wait I only count 17 with a length > 100

There are 114 €s in those

Bubbler

@lyxal You don't need the other symbol, you just flip the two sides

Browncat Programs

But not enough to get from 1.6k to 2.3k though

lyxal

@Bubbler <p🐊 html text </p🐊 doesn't look quite right without the other crocodile though

Bubbler

It's HTML's fault :P

Browncat Programs

00:35

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm really not sure how we're getting such different numbers, I'll send you my parsing/corpusifying code

Catija

Threading is terrible. Slack is awful. The end.

Thomas Ward

@Catija ... did... you just happen to bash Stack Exchange? XD

lyxal

I just accidentally invited someone to a chat room

Whoever that was, please ignore it

Catija

How? They were talking about chat threading.

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard Slack

Thomas Ward

00:36

ERR: Slack read as Stack

caird coinheringaahing

With an l

Thomas Ward

Someone send me caffeine

Catija

Hahahaha

Browncat Programs

@lyxal How did you accidentally confirm the invite, you have to choose a room too :P

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard !!/coffee ThomasWard

Thomas Ward

00:37

@Catija YOU try reading tiny text on a flipping tiny kerning of a 4k item xD

caird coinheringaahing

Wait, no, SD isn't active here :P

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms probably a default room

I'm on mobile

Catija

You should add the bot in here.

Browncat Programs

Oh

@Catija We have a strict anti-bot policy

Thomas Ward

@cairdcoinheringaahing bap

Browncat Programs

00:38

Reposting from Vyxal Bot has nearly gotten people kick-muted before here lol

Thomas Ward

well @cairdcoinheringaahing knows where they can execute that command and still reach me :)

here or not :P

lyxal

@lyxal looks like it was Bubbler who I ended up inviting to Vyxal

Big brain moment

@BrowncatPrograms you don't have to confirm the invite

Just clicking it sends it

caird coinheringaahing

@Catija I'd support that if SD could only post CGCC spam here, but New Posts is fast enough that it sort of seems unnecessary

DLosc

CMQ: language-design Currently in Pip, comments are indicated by a semicolon at the beginning of a line, or two spaces anywhere on a line except at the beginning. Should I change the latter to be two spaces followed by a semicolon?

(Which would make the comment syntax "semicolon, either at beginning of line or after two spaces")

It won't affect code golf at all, but it could affect restricted-source and polyglot

Catija

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's actually possible, as far as I'm aware?

lyxal

00:44

@DLosc for restricted source, it seems better to keep both options

Bubbler

@DLosc What does one space or one space + semicolon do?

Browncat Programs

Ooh, two spaces as comments is a really cool idea

I like that

I wouldn't change it

DLosc

@Bubbler One space separates tokens: for example, 12 is twelve but 1 2 is one followed by two. One space + semicolon is equivalent to semicolon. (Semicolon serves as an expression separator when it's not at the beginning of the line.)

@BrowncatPrograms Why, thanks!

Browncat Programs

That's exactly the sort of clever use of an otherwise redundant bit of syntax that makes me like code golf and language design :p

DLosc

The main reason in favor of doing away with two-space comments is the surprise factor: when people aren't as familiar with the language, they try to add spaces to their code to make it easier to read, and sometimes their code mysteriously stops working.

Browncat Programs

00:54

That's true

lyxal

@DLosc use tabs for comments /hj

Bubbler

Two consecutive spaces don't make the code easier to read than one space, so no problem :P

DLosc

@lyxal I would consider it, except it doesn't format well on StackExchange /hj

lyxal

@DLosc then I have an ~~even better~~ idea

two zero-width spaces

DLosc

@lyxal Nah, Imma use those for block comments /s

lyxal

01:04

oh that's even better

;p

Bubbler

Proposal: ;<space> ... <space>; as a block comment

Surely you don't need spaces around when you separate expressions :P

DLosc

Not in golf, no, but I am fond of writing lists like [1;2;3] and adding a space after the semicolon seems like a natural "more readable" style, so I think I want semicolon-space not to be a comment indicator.

I'm considering ;; ... ;;

Bubbler

That could work, or maybe (; ... ;) for distinct start and end (inspired by ML-style comments)

(; You get some winks as a bonus ;)

DLosc

Ooh, I like it

I think that wouldn't step on the toes of any actually-useful syntax.

And I always like languages whose block comments are nestable.

Browncat Programs

For some reason whenever I see your pfp at small sizes it looks sort of like an anime girl

The hat looks a bit like a face with black hair at first glance

And the dog's head like a dress

DLosc

01:16

Haha!

Yeah, I think I can see that. Facing to the left?

Browncat Programs

Yep

If I try to look for the illusion though, I just see a dog again :p

It's only when I just barely see it out of the corner of my eye

DLosc

I meant to change to another character after a week, and I think it's been two. Let me see here...

Browncat Programs

Is there a more detailed description of each of Jelly's quicks/atoms anywhere, or do you just have to read the code/figure it out with trial and error?

E.g., G just says "Attempt to format z as a grid.", which doesn't really give enough details

Bubbler

I haven't had any success trying to read the interpreter code, so I just try it on some inputs and figure it out

Browncat Programs

Oh, looks like HN's JHT site has quite a lot of useful details on what atoms do

Like for G it says "Format a 2D array of values into a grid as a string."

NimUser

01:37

Does anyone have any suggestions for codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…?

caird coinheringaahing

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 36 secs ago, by SmokeDetector

@cairdcoinheringaahing brews a cup of Affogato for @ThomasWard

Consider yourself caffeinated :P

@BrowncatPrograms Yeah, me, Unrelated and hyper :P

> A symbol defined as HALT will act as a halting symbol. Some example definitions would be: "a[1]=a[1]a[1], a[2]=HALT" or "a[1]:a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1] a[2]:a[1]a[1]"

How does the second one define a HALT symbol?

NimUser

A halt symbol is optional.

The utm.b version allows one, so I added one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_system:

" The halt symbol plays no roll in calculations

"

caird coinheringaahing

You can edit chat messages for up to 2 minutes btw

NimUser

I guass it just complicates things.

I will remove it.

caird coinheringaahing

as an example, I just did :)

NimUser

01:50

Thanks for the advice. I am unfamiliar with this chat.

caird coinheringaahing

Yea, it can take some getting used to

NimUser

Sorry, I was slow.

I can no longer edit it.

caird coinheringaahing

Given that m = 2, I'd suggest allowing people to take input as a two element list. Additionally, what format are you expecting the input to be in? "a[1]:a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1] a[2]:a[1]a[1]" is fairly vague

Is it a string? A dictionary of functions? etc.

Bubbler

It would be best described as a dict of symbols to lists of symbols

But if the symbols are encoded as consecutive integers then something as simple as [[1, 1, 1, 1], [1, 1]] should be acceptable

caird coinheringaahing

Also, why doesn't the example expand out to the following, then expand forever?

a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]
a[2][3]a[2][3]a[2][3]a[2][3]
a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]a[2]
a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]

Bubbler

01:59

No, it runs cyclically so it looks like this instead:

a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1]
a[1]a[1]a[2]a[3]
a[2]a[3]a[2]a[3]
a[2]a[3]a[1]
a[1]a[1]
a[2]a[3]
a[1]

NimUser

It computes the collatz conjecture.

The input format can be anything that represents the needed information.

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler I have no idea how you're mapping a[1][1] -> a[2][3]

Bubbler

Delete two symbols from the front, add the list of symbols to the end based on the first symbol deleted

The first a[1] maps to a[2]a[3], and second a[1] is simply deleted and takes no effect

caird coinheringaahing

@NimUser That isn't rigorous enough, unfortunately

@Bubbler ...It might help if I read the "how 2-tag systems works" bit :/

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Just read the second quote block more carefully

NimUser

02:03

Would reading a string work?

Bubbler

> m elements are removed from the beginning of the string; call the first element removed a[k]; P(a[k]) is appended to the string.

caird coinheringaahing

Nonetheless, while the idea now makes sense, I think the I/O needs improvement, and it could do with a worked example

@Bubbler Yeah, if I actually read it, it makes sense

Weird, that

@NimUser I think a blackbox function makes the most sense

NimUser

A blackbox function? I am new to this, sorry.

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing I disagree, blackbox function here is just equally effective as a dict or a list

caird coinheringaahing

Not all languages can handle dicts tho, and the current spec doesn't adequately explain how a list would work

@NimUser A function whose body is unknown, and that takes a number of arguments and returns a value

NimUser

02:08

Just googled blackbox function. Ok, I will change it to work that way. Thanks

caird coinheringaahing

16

A: Standard definitions of terms within specifications

"Black-Box-Functions" The content (i.e. the code) of black-box-functions may not be accessed, you can only call them (passing arguments if applicable) and observe their output. They should also have no side effects, except for e.g. accessing RNGs or time, but no communication with the rest of the...

^ is a good definition to go by

Bubbler

Banning dicts because "not all languages can handle dicts" isn't good IMHO

Same can be said for blackbox functions

caird coinheringaahing

I'm not saying that OP should ban them, just that they should offer an alternative I/O method for langs that can't handle them

NimUser

I have a call. I will reread this thread later. Sorry.

caird coinheringaahing

Python might be able to use a dict, but Jelly (for example) won't. OP should include an example either using a black box function, or using a list

Bubbler

02:12

Showing some examples of "sensible format" would be definitely nice, yeah

Also a question (related to whether a list encoding is acceptable) is whether I can use the numbers 1, 2, 3, ..., n in place of the symbols named a[1], a[2], ..., a[n]

caird coinheringaahing

02:33

CMP: It could be possible to get Smoke Detector, a network wide spam detecting bot, to post reports about CGCC spam posts in here (i.e. it posts messages linking to posts on CGCC/CGCC meta that may be spam). This could be useful as spam answers aren't posted here, and it provides extra confirmation for any spam questions that New Posts posts here. I'm in discussion about setting this up, and it's entirely optional. Do we want this, or not?

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lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing the link you included 404s

caird coinheringaahing

Ugh. why does https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/120914 work, but https://chat.stackexchange.com/u/120914 doesn't, when /u/ works on main as a shortcut?

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing the only thing I'd say against it is that do we really get enough spam for it to actually be useful? And would it allow for flagging through chat with the usual -tpu etc or would it just be for notifications?

Otherwise, I wouldn't mind seeing smokey here - it might actually remind me to do my daily reviews for it lol

caird coinheringaahing

I think it would allow the normal chat flagging (we'd probably be able to set it up to be the same as the Tavern), but yeah, the spam volume would be my concern

NP is already lightning fast, would we really need another spam-reporting bot?

lyxal

Although NP doesn't do answers

caird coinheringaahing

02:41

Yeah, there is taht

hyper-neutrino

the bot would help for detected answers, which isn't all that common but is a thing to consider (basically ^)

lyxal

Question: could it be configured to do only answers?

that'd be useful

caird coinheringaahing

I can see benefits to both sides, which is why I'm asking rather than going ahead and setting it up/ not bothering

@cairdcoinheringaahing If y'all have questions about SD/Charcoal, Charcoal HQ is the appropriate place for questions about the bot/system, rather than about it potentially being in here

@pxeger I'd suggest adding an answer to the meta thread

NimUser

03:04

@Bubbler I tried fixing it up, is this a bit clearer?

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

Bubbler

03:15

@NimUser Test cases should go after the input/output format, and should be presented in that format. Otherwise it is confusing (like, it's currently unclear how the rule a[1]:a[1]a[1]a[1]a[1], a[2]:a[1]a[1] would be actually given in the input)

NimUser

Got it. I will fix that.

Thanks for all the advice.

Bubbler

03:35

@NimUser Also check out default I/O methods. We usually allow both full programs and functions as answers, and restricting it may impact how your challenge is received by other users.

NimUser

Thanks. I will try and modify it to allow function answers as well.

Bubbler

03:52

@NimUser "Symbols are chars" - the range of characters that can appear is important. Lowercase alphabets only? Lowercase and uppercase alphabets? Or can other chars like digits or other symbols (ASCII or Unicode) appear in the input?

NimUser

I will specify ASCII chars, full range (Upper, lower, digits, everything really). Thanks.

Bubbler

That...would complicate with your use of colons and spaces in the example input

NimUser

I guess I did not think it through properly. Digits & Uppers & Lowers would make for sense, then.

Bubbler

Yes, that works

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Wasif hasn't done anything, can you nuke the bounty?

Bubbler

04:06

Mods can nuke an active bounty?

emanresu A

Yep

Let me find th ediscussion

8 hours ago, by hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA well you still have 12 hours left (+24 grace) so if you want i can cancel it now or you can wait longer to give wasif time to fix it, and then cancel if they don't

Around htere

Bubbler

Huh TIL

emanresu A

When I posted this, I thought they might actually mistake it for a homework question :p

@lyxal Hi

I've discovered that exedraj was my fault.

May 29 at 23:21, by A username

CMC: Find out what your username decompressed in Jelly is. Mine's Assuredly\ denotated Bothered aalborg.

hyper-neutrino

it's quite simple :P

alright, done

Unrelated String

@emanresuA JbighakNPHete Gala4 bionomic furan

emanresu A

04:16

@hyper-neutrino What does 'Merge' do?

Also, is there a bug report on MM about how positive rep changes don't show up when your net change recently is negative?

hyper-neutrino

that's not a bug

also idrk what merge does

i think it moves all of the answers (undeleted only, maybe?) from one question to the other

emanresu A

I.e. if I start a +50 bounty and get a +100 bounty, it shows +50.

hyper-neutrino

wait how is that a bug

is 100 - 50 not equal to 50?

emanresu A

Oh wait

nvm

@hyper-neutrino What about 'Remove post notice'?

hyper-neutrino

it removes the notice on the post

in this case the bounty notice

the option no longer exists cuz... well, the bounty's gone

emanresu A

04:21

So... the bounty still exists, people just don't see it?

hyper-neutrino

probably? not sure

Bubbler

@emanresuA deathwatches refl bedkey

lowercased: YUdelivered navew

emanresu A

@Bubbler Łøł

DLosc

@emanresuA l plyersE aachen, but I prefer the output after lowercasing the L: Unbespoke Medit (with a leading space)

Bubbler

I like how it manages to decompress Adám when á isn't even in the codepage

emanresu A

04:28

@DLosc I didn't even realise you were you.

DLosc

hi i'm new here ;)

emanresu A

Welcome to the site!

;)

Bubbler

(; Welcome ;)

hyper-neutrino

@Bubbler doesn't Jelly just ignore everything in the source code not in its codepage lol

Bubbler

Well yeah seems so

This one is somehow grammatically correct

DLosc

04:32

@Bubbler BTW, I'm now leaning toward {; ... ;} for block comments, since { ... } is the syntax for code blocks.

More of a winky Grinch face.

emanresu A

I wonder if it's possible to have a Jelly-decompression quine.

So like “xxx» returns xxx, where xxx is some sequence of characters

DLosc

@DLosc Never mind, new favorite: DLOSc => MetamathematicianAirest

2

Browncat Programs

Testing testing

Holy frick

I did it

emanresu A

Di dwhat?

Browncat Programs

Just a sec

Okay I'm back

I found a way to bypass my school's internet filtering

emanresu A

04:37

How?

Adám

Nice.

Browncat Programs

I wrote a tool that can encode SOCKS5 over websockets

Adám

That should automatically give you highest grades in CS (or whatever you have).

Browncat Programs

So I'm running two SOCKS5 servers; one on my laptop, and one at home

Bubbler

Nice

emanresu A

04:38

Impressive!

Wait so... Are you actually on the site, or have you made a page that communicates with the websocket?

Browncat Programs

So when I connect to the one on my laptop, before the server has a chance to try to act as a proxy the data is read from the socket and piped through WS to the server at my house, which treats is like a normal SOCKS5 connection, then pipes the results back through

@emanresuA I'm using the proxy feature built-in on the networking settings on my chromebook

I just proxy it through socks5://localhost:1080, which pretends to be a proxy and pipes it to the real one at my house

So I can now SSH and access github.io from school :D

emanresu A

Wow. Just wow.

My best attempt at that sort of thing was docs.google.com.document.surge.sh (Not a rickroll, I promise)

It's broken anyway

The teachers had a tool called Hapara that allowed them to see the tabs you had open

So I made it customise the tab name and logo

Browncat Programs

Oh, that's neat

If you have tampermonkey as an option, you could theoretically use document.title and document.favicon

Although if your school's at all smart they'll have blocked tampermonke like mine :p

emanresu A

No extensions except school-installed ones

I also messed around with crosh a lot, but I couldn't figure out how to get anything to work.

Browncat Programs

Crosh is weird, I have no idea what it's for

I guess it's mainly meant for debugging chrome itself

Not sure if there's any useful tools in it besides ping

emanresu A

04:46

Me neither, and I couldn't get it to do anything.

I did make a bookmark that emulated developer tools (badly, but it worked)

As in I had a console (no error logging, just running commands), a CSS editor, and a HTML editor (raw text)

DLosc

@BrowncatPrograms Just remember, with great power comes great responsibility

Browncat Programs

@DLosc Don't worry, I'm not going to misuse it and/or give others access to it

DLosc

@BrowncatPrograms You're a good kid, Peter

emanresu A

@DLosc *Ryan

Browncat Programs

@emanresuA I'm sure they're quoting something, not just assuming my name's Peter :p

DLosc

04:52

@BrowncatPrograms @emanresuA Yup

Bubbler

What am I even doing

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emanresu A

My favorite's purgativelyscabrously acrimoniousnesses

(ḅuḅḃler)

Browncat Programs

Oh, I just remembered the biggest thing this changes: I can access TIO from school now!

They had it blocked because it had the word "brainfuck" >:|

Bubbler

> Buḅblėr: congratulant. Pekinaardvark
Buḅblėṛ: congratulation. Pekinaardvark
Buḅblėṙ: Congratulative. Pekinaardvark

Somehow Pekinaardvark is getting lots of congratulation

emanresu A

factorabilities babesiaacrimoniousnesses

Is Isogeothermquinquagenarian seriously a word in Jelyl's dictionary?

DLosc

04:58

TIL "odontophobia" is a word. (Fear of teeth, I assume.)

emanresu A

@BrowncatPrograms That is big.

DLosc

> ḃubḅḷeɼ: antiseizureo$ gyromancy
ḃubḅḷėṛ: backstretcho$ gyromancy
ḃubḅŀẹr: waitresso$ gyromancy

emanresu A

Gyromancy

Gyromancy is a method of divination in which a person spins around inside or walks the circumference of a circle drawn on the ground, the perimeter of which is marked with the letters of an alphabet. The divination is inferred from the letter at the position where the person either stumbles or falls across the circle's edge. The person would repeat the practice "...till he evolved an intelligible sentence, or till death or madness intervened." The dizziness brought on by spinning or circling is intended to introduce randomness or to facilitate an altered state of consciousness.The word is derived...

DLosc

> "...till he evolved an intelligible sentence, or till death or madness intervened."

Sounds like a solid strategy :P

lyxal

@emanresuA hello

@hyper-neutrino which question is that?

hyper-neutrino

05:06

@lyxal codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/203330/… .

lyxal

I see

@Bubbler dictatress Right bedkey

ngn

@hyper-neutrino @Catija @Mithical @JoKing @Slate can someone grant chat.stackexchange.com/users/524169/awagga write permission for chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/90748/the-k-tree please?

hyper-neutrino

please don't ping so many people

anyway, done

ngn

thanks

@hyper-neutrino should i ping only you in such cases?

hyper-neutrino

@ngn if i'm already in the room you'll most likely be fine just pinging me (no guarantees). usually people will just ping me and joking (or ww if he's around too)

Bubbler

05:16

Up to two among CGCC mods. No need to ping CMs

hyper-neutrino

in any case i'd definitely recommend against pinging CMs for things mods can solve, much less two of them

ngn

how do i know who's a "CM"? (unless written in their profile)

hyper-neutrino

if they are a mod on every single site they're probably a CM or above

Bubbler

@Bubbler s/CMs/CMs and other sites' mods/

hyper-neutrino

otherwise unfortunately you just kinda have to... know I guess? in any case I'd just ping only CGCC mods

Niko

05:19

@emanresuA x rajes aA

PyGamer0

did anyone else's google chrome suddenly change their dark theme colors (on android)

lyxal

i don't know because I use DDG on android

Jo King

i usually have this tab open in the background, so i should be available whenever i'm awake

hyper-neutrino

i'd say the same but "when i'm awake" is not the most helpful information

Mithical

It's pretty rare that something is extremely urgent in any case.

ngn

05:26

@hyper-neutrino @Bubbler i don't mean to be rude, but if CMs and other sites' mods don't wish to be pinged about matters related to our community, then why are they in this chat

hyper-neutrino

probably because closing the chat window doesn't leave the room if you have other chat windows open and sometimes we just forget about rooms we were in

Mithical

@ngn Surprisingly enough, mods and CMs like to socialize and just chat sometimes as well.

;)

hyper-neutrino

that too. some mods have a life, don't take me as an example for the rest of us :P

ngn

:D

having a life - luxury

hyper-neutrino

i wish there were a way to invisibly join a room

as it is sometimes i end up just constantly reloading the transcript or opening a private window to stalk rooms without announcing my presence

Razetime

05:31

userscript to plain lurk via transcript?

Niko

stalking the past huh

Razetime

no, stalking the present

Bubbler

How would stalking the future look like

Niko

if we make a bot that fetch this page

hyper-neutrino

@Bubbler i told you tomorrow already

lyxal

05:49

@hyper-neutrino I do that to read TNB after I've said I'm going to sleep and clicked leave room

Purely because it's too hard to leave

hyper-neutrino

lol

emanresu A

06:08

@hyper-neutrino "Or above"?

hyper-neutrino

yes there are people above CMs in the SE hierarchy

emanresu A

Who?

hyper-neutrino

06:24

i'm not really sure about the exact hierarchy but you have like the vp and head of community, definitely the ceo at least... lol, etc

emanresu A

Oh true lol

hyper-neutrino

idk if devs are considered "above" or "below" CMs. probably just different people for different tasks, no point making a comparison really, they're both necessary

PyGamer0

08:37

is microsoft down?

Adám

Not for me.

emanresu A

Naype

Niko

08:52

viewing tnb’s first day transcript

FrownyFrog

09:08

ḃuḃblėr:¶ stratospheric JohnsonvilleC

emanresu A

https://tio.run/##FNF5XjkA4CDQq0zJ0kqkTZY2pSKlQgiVQrbEd@Y322cOMqebi8zM@@dd4A17o9F//N//@3/@1//@T/8JK1hFAGsIIoQwIljHBjaxhW3sIIoYdhFHAntIYh8HOMQRjpHCCdLIIIscTnGGc1zgEnlc4RoF3OAWdyiihHuU8YBHVPCEZ7ygihrqeEUDTbTwhjY66OIdH/hED1/4Rh8DDPGDEcaYYIoZfjHHHxZY4h/@M/4L/gP/Ff8N/x3/A//z/7OidkXtitoVtStqV9SuqF1Ru6J2Re2K2hW1K2pX1K6oXVG7onZF7YraFbUralfUrqhdUbuidkXtitoVtStqV9SuqF1Ru6J2Re2K2hW1K2pX1K6oXVG7onZF7YraFbUralfUrqhdUbuidkXtitoVtStqV9SuqF1Ru6J2Re2K2hW1K2pX1K6oXVG7onZF7YraFbUralfUrqhdUbuidkXtitoVtStqV9SuqF1Ru6J2Re2K2hW1K2pX1K6oXVG7onZF7YraFbUralfUrqhdVbuqdlXtqtpVtatqV9Wuql1Vu6p2Ve2q2lW1q2pX1a6qXVW7qnZV7ar…

Anush

09:25

what would NOT 3 equal?

Adám

09:48

CMQ: How do you pronounce sidereality?

Razetime

10:00

like it was two words

Adám

Where do you split it?

m90

/ˌsɪdəriˈæləti/ (IPA)

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Jelly compression quine code-challenge The golfing language Jelly has a very complex and clever string compression system which I'm not going to go into depth about here. You can find a very good explanation here. Basically, Jelly's string literals are represented as “...», where ... is a string ...

emanresu A

If someone could do a better check for trivial results, that'd be nice.'

Razetime

10:19

@Adám side|reality

Adám

@Razetime That's an odd split. Wouldn't sidereal|ity make more sense? Or maybe sider|eality?

emanresu A

si-de-real-ity

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Q: Genetrate the flow chart

please generate flowchart from this python code

python

Adám

@NewPosts That is one very large, very low resolution image.

Razetime

10:36

@Adám just my logic, not really following english

Adám

@Razetime You do realise it derives from the Latin sideris (stars), not from side + reality, right?

Razetime

not at all

rak1507

@Wezl Sorry to hear that

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Q: Unlolify a lolified message

Unlolify a lolified message! I had to ask a coworker if they wanted to have lunch with me, but we're both hackers so it could not be in a lame way. The message asking that was roughly this: please respond with 011110010110010101110011 if you'd like to join lunch today The colleague being a hack...

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