The Nineteenth Byte

Browncat Programs

00:00

How many bytes was the answer?

Jo King

inb4 code-bowling

emanresu A

@BrowncatPrograms 273

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA One of the early vyxal answers? :P

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing No, my arguably best JS answer

lyxal

Ah frick

For 2 hours today, I'll have to suffer through JavaScript at uni

New Posts

00:05

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Q: Non-sums of distinct positive powers

There are 31 positive integers that cannot be expressed as the sum of 1 or more distinct positive squares: 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24, 27, 28, 31, 32, 33, 43, 44, 47, 48, 60, 67, 72, 76, 92, 96, 108, 112, 128 There are 2788 positive integers that cannot be expressed as the sum...

caird coinheringaahing

@NewPosts I think that hardest thing for this will be finding an upper bound to terminate at. Bounds on Anti-Waring numbers aren't great or simple (OEIS has a(n) < d*2^(n-1)*(c*2^n + (2/3)*d*(4^n - 1) + 2*d - 2)^n + c*d, where c = n!*2^(n^2) and d = 2^(n^2 + 2*n)*c^(n-1) - 1)

Browncat Programs

@lyxal JS isn't that bad to learn

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms I don't doubt that it is

But this is from a uni course

Browncat Programs

It's only cursed when you start doing things more practical than what you typically learn in classes

Or when you specifically look for weird issues with the type system

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms maybe it's fine when learning it normally. But this is the same course that makes us learn XML and style sheets for XML

Browncat Programs

00:12

Oh, good point

But to be honest I use JS basically every day and almost never encounter type-cursedness-related issues

lyxal

Exactly

@BrowncatPrograms ^

@BrowncatPrograms as I said, it's normally fine

But the context of the learning will probably make it cursed

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm pretty sure it can be pessimized into some simple superfactorial or superpower

Browncat Programs

Ugh I hate the 6 character minimum edit size for suggested edits

emanresu A

Same

Where?

JS's two-way-binding system for objects can be helpful, and can be really cursed.

Browncat Programs

What's that?

caird coinheringaahing

00:20

@Bubbler Yeah, I think there's a way to create an upper bound that is ridiculously over what is necessary, but it's still surprisingly hard to find one :P

emanresu A

Like a=p=[] doesn't work

Browncat Programs

"Doesn't work"?

emanresu A

Ditto with a=Array(x).fill(z=[])

Browncat Programs

@emanresuA It sets a and p to be an array, what else should it do?

emanresu A

a's bound to p, so changing p will change a, often when you don't want it to

Browncat Programs

00:21

It's going to be identical in any language where objects are pointers

That's nowhere even close to being unique to JS

emanresu A

True

it's annoying though

Browncat Programs

a=p=[] literally means a=(p=[]), where p=[] returns the value being assigned to p. If it assigned a different copy of the array to both a and p that'd actually be much, much, much more cursed

caird coinheringaahing

Does the same in Python

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms Because it'd either mean = returns a copy of the value being assigned instead of the literal value, or a=p= is special cased

Niko

python have the same logic

Browncat Programs

00:25

Objects being pointers in JS (and basically every other language) is actually quite useful since it's the only way to pass by reference in languages without direct pointer manipulation

lyxal

I wish that languages that did that though provided a way to explicitly pass by value sometimes

Browncat Programs

How would that work?

Niko

also, python can't accept a,p=[]

Browncat Programs

It'd mean the language would need to know how to safely deep copy arbitrary data structures

Niko

kinda sad

caird coinheringaahing

00:26

The golfy part of my brain dislikes a=b=[] failing, and needing a=[];b=[] :P

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms Like have a byvalue keyword that modifies function parameters

Browncat Programs

Well not syntactically

I mean ^^^^^

Unless you mean it'd just shallow copy, but that would be even more confusing

lyxal

No I mean deep copy like how passing arguments in c++

caird coinheringaahing

If you did a=b=<value>, then the interpreter would simply treat that as a=<value>;b=<value>

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms languages like python do

It has a deep copy library

So surely that could be utilised

Browncat Programs

00:29

Not all languages are designed in a way that'd be possible

lyxal

Of course, and I understand that

Browncat Programs

Of course, languages where things like JS's Proxy exist in the first place don't deserve nice features anyway :p

lyxal

I just wish it existed sometimes

Browncat Programs

It doesn't sound that useful to me tbh

It's much slower, and making sure you don't mutate stuff isn't that hard

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms it'd more be for convenience than usefulness

caird coinheringaahing

00:31

Mutation is evil :P

Niko

wait...

Browncat Programs

Mutation can be super useful, but I do think it should be opt-in

caird coinheringaahing

@Niko The second line redefines p

Niko

so you can deref a and p by simply doing so

Browncat Programs

No, you're basically shallow cloning p by doing that, and writing it back to p with some changes

caird coinheringaahing

00:33

Try it online!

lyxal

Just use itertools.tee for safely duping iterables lol /s

caird coinheringaahing

Just use Jelly, but without Ḣ and Ṫ :P

lyxal

Nah

You were right the first time

Aug 24 at 23:42, by Dude coinheringaahing

Imagine using lists instead of representing lists of integers as a single base-n+1 number, where n is the largest element in that list

That method of storing lists is way superior

Browncat Programs

@Niko In more detail, a and p are still separate variables, they just point at the same array. p=p+[1] basically says "take that array p points at, make a copy of it, add [1], and make p point to it". So now a and p point to two different arrays.

(s/array/list because Python)

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Indeed :P

Niko

00:36

@BrowncatPrograms sounds nice

Browncat Programs

@lyxal (that actually is a very useful way of storing lists in quite a few esolangs, coincidentally, just s/largest element/a constant chosen ahead of time)

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms The problem with a constant is that it automatically prevents the lang from storing arbitrary lists

Browncat Programs

I don't mean in the implementation of the language, I mean when using it

If you have a limited number of registers or cells on a tape, for example

caird coinheringaahing

Seems like it'd be easier to just have a "deep-max" builtin and work from that

Browncat Programs

I'm talking about pre-existing esolangs you don't control

Like if you want to make a program using lists in an esolang without lists

caird coinheringaahing

00:41

@BrowncatPrograms Why do that when you can make your own language??? :P

Niko

@BrowncatPrograms BF

Browncat Programs

@hyper-neutrino Do you want a copy of NP/SP's log-in details? Seems like it'd be easier than waiting for it to post then editing that :p (I'd been meaning to ask anyway, since I don't wanna be the only one responsible for forgetting the password if I ever do :p)

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Not being hyper, I can't answer that, but if anyone could 11 a bot's message, it's hyper. It's not like he needs the log-in to change NP/SPs messages :P

Plus, it's fun making 11 jokes :P

Browncat Programs

True, although the second reason (having a backup in case I lose the password or go inactive for a while) still applies :p

Actually, now that I think about it HN does already have their credentials

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I'm not opposing it, just pointing that out :P

Browncat Programs

00:46

They have the source code for NP/SP, which contains them in plain text

caird coinheringaahing

Security 101, hosted by Redwolf :P

Browncat Programs

Plain text is honestly the second best option in that case, other than using environment variables or a read-restricted file and a separate user purely for running NP/SP

Both of which are too much work for something that'll only ever run on my (and HN's) server

caird coinheringaahing

Just store them as SHA256 encoded strings :P

Browncat Programs

It's not like it's a situation where hashing could work, and if anyone has access to the source code already it's quite likely they can just access the credentials in the exact same way the code does, regardless of how obfuscated or secured it is

(or through intercepting the outgoing packets)

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms (as I'm sure you know) OSP just uses an encrypted credentials file :P

I have no idea how it encrypts it, that's part of the chatbot library that I used

Browncat Programs

00:52

Which is of course useless because the key has to be somewhere in the source code anyway :p

It's like if you want your friend to take care of your goldfish, but you think there's a risk someone will break into their house and steal it, so you put the goldfish in an unbreakable safe and have your friend put the key to the safe in their bedroom :p

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Yes and no :P

For the version of OSP that runs here, yes. For the generic version, no, as it asks for the key every time you run it :P

lyxal

I just realised what day it is if you write dates as dd/mm/yyyy like a normal person

nice.

Browncat Programs

(which is a bit pointless, why not just ask for the password directly :p)

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal 06/09/2021?

Browncat Programs

6/9 nice

lyxal

00:56

@cairdcoinheringaahing nice

caird coinheringaahing

d/m/yyyy would be nice

dd/mm/yyyy isn't :P

lyxal

It's close enough for me

Browncat Programs

Although using 2021-09-06 is the obvious format, anyone who still uses dd/mm or mm/dd is someone I wouldn't want to be friends with :p

caird coinheringaahing

Ok Texan

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@BrowncatPrograms When you first run it, it asks for your login details for the bot's account. It then gives you the option to save those behind an encrypted key + file for convenience

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing (In Texas, just like the US, mm/dd/yyyy is the normal format and it's awful)

caird coinheringaahing

00:58

Imagine not using 06-Sep-2021 :P

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing That makes slightly more sense, I guess

I have no idea what genius (north?) american decided to put the day in the middle of the month and year, it makes absolutely no sense

caird coinheringaahing

Presumably the same person who decided on using imperial units

Browncat Programs

Imperial was originally British, right? :p

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, and then we kind of realised the problem and sort of switched to metric :P

Browncat Programs

(I do actually like the imperial volume units though, fight me :p)

caird coinheringaahing

01:00

Speaking of @OldSandboxPosts, how you doing? :P

@BrowncatPrograms The only one I can use are the ones for length

And pints

lyxal

@OldSandboxPosts go commit sand

Browncat Programs

Cups/tbsps/tsps just look so nice in recipes compared to "xyz ml"

OldSandboxPosts

@lyxal I hate sand. It's rough, course and irritating, and it gets everywhere

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Browncat Programs

Pints, quarts, and gallons are fine enough, I have no opinions on those

lyxal

@OldSandboxPosts yeah well commit sand regardless sussy baka

Browncat Programs

01:03

I wish cups and tbsps/tsps were nice round units in metric so we could have the best of both worlds

caird coinheringaahing

@OldSandboxPosts To pin or not to pin, that is the question :P

Browncat Programs

Like if a cup was a quarter liter, that would be very nice

Honestly we probably could retroactively redefine cups to be 250ml, it's not too far off and it wouldn't mess up recipes since those tend to not mix customary and metric

While we're at it we can redefine pounds to half a kilogram :p

caird coinheringaahing

Lets just use metric :P

emanresu A

No, let's use centifeet, gigayards, semicups, etc!

lyxal

Y'all are wrong

Browncat Programs

01:05

@cairdcoinheringaahing No, don't you get it? This lets us use metric, while still having the nice intuitive customary units like cups and tablespoons

lyxal

Gamers use gb/metre to measure length

caird coinheringaahing

So just rename all the metric units to old timey unit names :P

Browncat Programs

I'm half joking, but I seriously support redefining cups to be 250ml

caird coinheringaahing

What happened to the other half of JoKing?

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Jo King

a half life, a cursed life

Browncat Programs

01:07

~~Maybe JoKing's just my dad, so I'm half joking~~

Jo King

Son??

caird coinheringaahing

Texas is America's Australia :P

lyxal

Aww code golf family reunion. Wholesome 100

Browncat Programs

Redefining cups would make gallons about 6% larger, which might be confusing for anyone doing precise computations with customary units but frick those people anyway

Gallons are nice when you have exactly one of them (or a half), but if you ever have more than ten gallons of something you're using the wrong unit

(BTW, does anyone here actually know the ratios between all the different customary volume units, from teaspoons to gallons? I feel like that's really uncommon to actually know, since converting between them is basically never necessary)

The liter was redefined at some point, can't be too much more confusing to do it with a unit nobody needs to use for precise measurements anyway

I've never seen more precision with cups than quarters

Actually, pounds being changed to half a kilogram would be just as good, although the only problem there is that pounds are used much more widely and with much more precision and accuracy

It'd also mean that tons == tonnes, clearing up that whole thing

And it'd also mean that the weight vs. volume of water thing would remain mostly consistent

caird coinheringaahing

Or, and I know this might be crazy, we all use metric

Browncat Programs

01:17

Yeah, but you gotta admit some of the customary units are kinda nice

caird coinheringaahing

Not really

Browncat Programs

It'd mean people can keep using them while still actually using metric, making the switch easier later on

emanresu A

Just don't measure stuff!

caird coinheringaahing

Like, I use mph and pints, but would be fine with km/h and litres

Browncat Programs

Yeah, but the customary units feel "friendlier" sort of

If that makes sense

Like a teaspoon or a cup make sense; they're about the size of a teaspoon, or a cup.

lyxal

01:20

Best idea: measure everything in bytes; for length, you see how many uniformly lengthed 1s span a distance; for volume, you see how many 1s can fit inside the container or whatever

Browncat Programs

They also let you use smaller coefficients; instead of "250 ml" which sounds like either a lot or very little, you can say "1 cup", which you can immediately get an intuitive feel for

I'm pretty familiar with metric units despite being an american, and I'd consider metric's length and weight/mass units to be way better, but for volume I really do like customary

Bubbler

I have no idea how much 1 cup is

Browncat Programs

Slightly redefining them to fit nicely with metric gives customary users the precision of metric, and metric users the option to use the nice intuitive unit names of customary

@Bubbler Once you do though, it's much more intuitive than liters

It's roughly how much you can fit in a small glass :p

Bubbler

I'm more familiar with 500ml and 2L water bottles, so 250ml easily comes to me as "half a small bottle of water"

Browncat Programs

Of course the units aren't currently going to be intuitive to metric users, because they have any reason to know them

"half a small bottle of water" actually is coincidentally the exact same way I think of a cup quite often :p

Bubbler

01:26

On the other hand, my cups are of incredibly varying sizes, so I don't know which cup to use

Browncat Programs

Part of it is that customary volume units are often used in situations where precise amounts isn't really that important, which makes them feel friendlier imo

Bubbler

It doesn't matter until you ruin your soup (or ramen) :P

Browncat Programs

Making a cup exactly 250ml would mean that you only need one set of measuring cups, either metric or customary, and you can measure both with the ease of customary (if you want that) or the precision of metric (if you want that instead)

Bubbler

That's true, but it comes with the cost of having those standard measuring cups

Browncat Programs

Sure, it'd be a huge breaking change, but only for the people who currently use customary, who deserve it

Okay there is some seriously bright lightning and strange sounding thunder outside right now...

There must've been some sort of weird interference or resonance or something, because the thunder sounded like it was getting louder and quieter a dozen or so times a second

I wonder if the right conditions could cause two simulataneous and nearby thunderclaps with slightly different frequences to produce the sort of interference that would cause that

(sort of like this, but with the frequencies adjusted to be reasonably close to that of thunder, which I didn't do since it makes it hard to see)

I'm so stupid, that's just a link to desmos >:|

Not a permalink

\sin\left(\frac{40}{\pi}x\right)+\sin\left(\frac{48}{\pi}x\right)

emanresu A

01:48

Sussy equation - that's ungolfed!

Browncat Programs

sin(\frac{40}\pi x)+\sin(\frac{48}\pi x)

There, ya happy? :p

Wait, can I use / instead of \frac?

Lemme try

Ooh I can

sin(40/\pi x)+sin(48/\pi x)

Moving x saves two bytes

sin(40x/\pi)+sin(48x/\pi)

And the parentheses are no longer necessary

sin40x/\pi+sin48x/\pi

Wow, this is surprisingly golfy

Compared to the original

emanresu A

It's all the \left\rights

Browncat Programs

The \frac{}{} is also not helping

emanresu A

Yes

caird coinheringaahing

02:07

You can use π instead of \pi, so I think -2 bytes

Bubbler

π is not 1 byte though

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Desmos doesn't have an SBCS, does it?

emanresu A

it is two, and \pi is 3

caird coinheringaahing

No, but \pi is 3 bytes and the character is 2 ^

And it's used twice, so -2 bytes

Browncat Programs

I was looking though my old languages ideas, and found something interesting. A language where all functions without a return returned an object, where the properties are the function's local variables. It used : for assignment, so functions and objects used the same syntax

Bubbler

02:09

Also I managed to simplify the upper bound for anti-Waring numbers to 7 bytes of APL

though it practically won't work even for n=2 :P

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Every time you say "I found something interesting", you always talk about something cursed :P

Browncat Programs

E.g., { x: 4 } would mean an object where x is 4, but { print("Hi!"), x: 4, y: x } would be {x: 4, y: 6} and also a function that prints Hi!

It's actually really cool sort of

emanresu A

@Bubbler Just go A(nG64,nG64)

Browncat Programs

It had a feature where if a boolean-returning function was followed by a function, it would only run the function if the boolean was true. That sounds a bit cursed, but it means you can implement things like if and for as libraries instead of built-ins

emanresu A

Dammit markdown

caird coinheringaahing

02:11

"Hey, I was looking through my local cemetery and found something interesting! This is Gerald, a ghost, he was murdered in 1873 and hates everything but isn't that kinda cool?"

Browncat Programs

E.g., if: condition -> { return not not condition } would create an if statement that works how you'd expect

With curly braces even

And since there's no code blocks, only nested functions that look a lot like code blocks, variables can be function scope but feel local scope

I'm equally in love with and horrified by this language concept tbh

Out of interest, why is JHT a gallery?

@hyper-neutrino I think the "resources" page on your Jelly site might be better if it were named something like "info", since usually "resources" is used for links to pages on other sites

But idk that might just be me

Bubbler

02:29

@emanresuA My language of choice doesn't have those builtins, so...

emanresu A

Never mind

the formATting was a mess

Bubbler

Posted. There's some lol parts though, like pessimizing c^(n^2+2n+2) into c!

Langs with Ackermann or other fast-growing function built-ins might be able to do better

emanresu A

adds Ackermann to Vyxal

Razetime

03:04

@Bubbler again, very cool math

lyxal

04:05

woo I got to make the funny joke that java is javascript in the same way a car is a carpet in my lecture

PyGamer0

car + pet = death of pet

Browncat Programs

D:

PyGamer0

:{

Bubbler

Isn't that the other way around? (javascript is to java like a carpet is to a car)

lyxal

ooh the median mark last year for the web tech course I'm taking was 69%

@Bubbler I think it's interchangable

PyGamer0

04:07

why did people name it javascript

did java used to support web development?

lyxal

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Browncat Programs

Because Java was popular at the time

lyxal

@PyGamer0 yes

Browncat Programs

@PyGamer0 Sort of

lyxal

there were web applets

Browncat Programs

04:08

^

PyGamer0

ah those

Browncat Programs

From what I've heard though it was just a way to get people to use JS

Like advertising

PyGamer0

@BrowncatPrograms that doesnt make any sense

@BrowncatPrograms they could have named it webcrawler

weblang

Browncat Programs

I don't think that was where it originated

Wasn't it originally JScript?

lyxal

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Q: Why is JavaScript called JavaScript, since it has nothing to do with Java?

Since JavaScript is not derived from Java, why does it have "Java" in the name?

java javascript

PyGamer0

04:10

ahhh there is a connection

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms (no it was not apparently)

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms that's what microsoft was going to call it

> That’s right. It was all within six months from May till December (1995) that it was Mocha and then LiveScript. And then in early December, Netscape and Sun did a license agreement and it became JavaScript. And the idea was to make it a complementary scripting language to go with Java, with the compiled language.

sauce

PyGamer0

@lyxal where is the v?

vsauce

lyxal

> JavaScript is the programming language of the web.

WebASM: *cries*

(source: JS lecture)

(the quote that is)

(emphasis not mine)

Bubbler

The thing is you still need JS to run wasm

PyGamer0

04:18

and i have to install neovim to complete my setup

oh i also need tpt

lol

PyGamer0

06:39

can i tell github workflows to use python wih fontforge bindings?

PyGamer0

07:18

when you type mksir instead of mkdir: O_o

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lyxal

07:58

that could simplify name title grinders

Razetime

if someone wants a jq tutorial I am now obsessed with this language so please ask me

pxeger

08:13

@ROs can we clear up the pins please? It's ruining my enjoyment of the quality entertainment provided by the actual starboard

hyper-neutrino

sure, just for you, i'll unpin the wiki link

it'll go away in a few hours anyway

the CM announcement could go too

Wheat Wizard

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

When's the Listening Party? A listening party is an event where a bunch of people get together to listen to some music (like a viewing party, but for music). In the age of the internet you can do Listening Parties online with friends, where you just all hit play together. The problem is on the i...

Going to post this later today.

Jo King

i see Johnathan already mentioned fractional timezones (though it's best to keep the question simple)

Bubbler

08:30

feedback: uhh timezones

Neil

@OldSandboxPosts *coarse

user

10:07

> quality

pxeger

yes

Wheat Wizard

10:28

> quality

emanresu A

10:39

> quality

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms I think cause it was created for Leaky and Erik to teach hyper (and so they didn't want other people joining it), and it's sort of become how it's done

It's a good way to keep track of who's a student tho via the access tab

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh, to teach hyper, hence the name "Jelly Hyper Training"?

huh

caird coinheringaahing

in Jelly Hypertraining, Jul 31 at 22:52, by caird coinheringaahing

...can't believe it took me so long to figure out why this room is called "Jelly Hypertraining": cause it was originally a room to train hyper (as in hyper-neutrino) to use Jelly :P

Totally hadn't been a student there for 4 years without realising that :P

emanresu A

10:54

I like jelly, it's a cool language.

Chaining can be pain though

Good but painful

lyxal

11:34

@BrowncatPrograms check your email

The Garanti BBVA Bank Turkey got back to me

> Date: 6th September 2021

Attention: David Alexander,

Hello David Alexander, And Welcome to Garanti BBVA Bank Turkey.

Your eMail message dated 4th day of September 2021 also was received and acknowledges which content duly noted therein.

As you may, there procedure for fund release so we have contacted Hank Chief, which you don’t have the legal right to contact us so go ahead and communicate to Hank Chief, for further information as we have contacted him this morning.

Thank you for choosing Garanti BBVA Bank Turkey.....My Bank and I

This is hilarious

emanresu A

Lol

PyGamer0

@lyxal is that a scam mail?

lyxal

Yep

It's redwolf's operation

I just joined in for fun

PyGamer0

ah i dont get any advance fee scam mails

so i cant troll them

New Posts

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Q: When's the Listening Party?

A listening party is an event where a bunch of people get together to listen to some music (like a viewing party, but for music). In the age of the internet you can do Listening Parties online with friends, where you just all hit play together. The problem is on the internet everyone is in diffe...

code-golf date

pxeger

11:59

@lyxal Hank Chief? I think I've heard of him - is he married to Anita P?

emanresu A

@lyxal Mention issues with their supply chain (Don't specify what of) and suggest they fix it by building a chicken farm.

lyxal

@emanresuA my email was only a throw-in to confuse them

Redwolf has the main thread

emanresu A

Ok

@BrowncatPrograms ^^^^

Also send them on a wild goose-chase of some sory

that culminates in a rickroll

emanresu A

12:23

'night

PyGamer0

12:36

CMQ: Do you hate Marvel or not?

Wheat Wizard

Do I hate what?

PyGamer0

@WheatWizard marvel

Wheat Wizard

What is Marvel?

caird coinheringaahing

@PyGamer0 Can't say I really have an opinion on it

@WheatWizard Superhero movies

Wheat Wizard

I'm not finding anything by google.

PyGamer0

12:38

what are review queues?

Wheat Wizard

Oh that Marvel

I don't see how I could possibly have an opinion on that.

caird coinheringaahing

@PyGamer0 These

Wheat Wizard

It's like a nebulous multi-billion dollar entity.

caird coinheringaahing

Posts go into them for higher rep users to double check that an action should or shouldn't be taken

PyGamer0

@WheatWizard no it is the coffee shop marvel :P

Wheat Wizard

12:40

I had figured you meant some sort of platform or tool.

caird coinheringaahing

@PyGamer0 Is that coffeemarvel.com?

Wheat Wizard

Like hadoop, flutter, ferroseed, skaffold, etc.

PyGamer0

ah shit i broke the key on my keyboard again (the piano not the typing)

@cairdcoinheringaahing wait it exists?!

Razetime

14:21

@PyGamer0 glue

Browncat Programs

15:02

@lyxal I love how they clarify "My Bank and I" at the end, as if we're suspecting whether it's the real bank or not and that's sufficient to make us trust him :p

I was sent this

PyGamer0

@Razetime fun fact: i just now put the glue

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms I like that their website, garantibbvatk[dot]com, has literally nothing there

at least they have the decency not to try and scam you through their website as well

Browncat Programs

I'm trying to find the ridiculously fake ID I used last time I got a similar scam

the default.

for some reason everything I get is links to websites that allow me to bet money on extremely-short-term currency exchange rate change directions while using a magic algorithm that wins 96.3% of the time

Browncat Programs

Does this at least look somewhat realistically like it's a real ID that's been scanned?

pxeger

15:15

no

if you fixed the photo, it would

caird coinheringaahing

You're a minister of finance now? :P

Browncat Programs

No, Hank G. Chief is :p

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Ngl, I saw that and my first thought was "Isn't that DB Cooper's id?" :P

Browncat Programs

15:28

Okay I think this one might be a tiny bit worse if you look at the image in detail, but it fits better at a glance I think:

It looks much less stock-photo-y, the weird ghost effect of the lower half of his shoulders is kind of obvious, but the scammer might just think it was a new photo taped in over an older one or something

If I had a real photo editing tool I'd blur/blend that specific area a tiny bit to make the jump between solid and semitransparent a bit less noticeable

user

@BrowncatPrograms The Abu Dhabi and Hank G. Chief don't fit in at all

Browncat Programs

It's good enough :p

user

Gotta go all in if you're going to scam the scammers :P

Where did you even get that anyway?

Browncat Programs

I made it a few years back with an image of a passport off google images, then I added in a picture of some random dude also from google images

Well, I originally made it then but this edited copy is from now

> I have attached a copy of my I.D. Good to hear you've accepted my offer to send all $10.5 million to me directly instead of splitting it with Mr. Koffi; please notify me when the funds arrive so I may know to send your 10% cut.

Sent :p

(Mr. Koffi was the fake name the scammer used in the first email, he said he'd take a 50% cut for arranging it all)

user

I'm sure the scammer knows you've caught on by now but is just continuing just for a laugh :P

Browncat Programs

15:40

I don't think so

They usually stop as soon as they realize you know

user

How would they not be able to tell that you're messing with them, though? The new deal with them should tip anyone off that you're just kidding

Browncat Programs

All they want is my personal details and bank info, so they don't really care what I say as long as I go along with it in a halfway convincing manner

If they stop talking to me when they think there's even a small chance I'll actually go along with it, that could mean they lose thousands

user

True

Browncat Programs

I probably shouldn't have gone ahead and sent the fake ID, I probably should've stalled for a little while like I did with Western Onion

Wheat Wizard

@BrowncatPrograms You should at least use typewriter text for the inserted bits.

user

15:45

@BrowncatPrograms This is so horribly cursed it wraps back around to amazing and then continues on to horribly cursed and then wraps back around to amazing and then continues on to horribly cursed again

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms if you wanted to make this a somewhat practical language, a more scalable approach would be something like that of Ruby, Swift, or Kotlin: function calls can be followed by "blocks" (here more functions) which are passed to the function call

user

Or you could go the Scala way, where foo{bar;baz;bleh} is equivalent to foo({bar;baz;bleh;}), where the last expression inside the block is the result of the block

It's kinda a superset of the Kotlin way

pxeger

that's what Ruby does

(except that blocks in Ruby are not quite first-class; you can only pass one block per function call)

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