The Nineteenth Byte

vyxal

00:01

Dude coinheringaahing

I think HN is a cool guy :P

emanresu A

I think caird was a cool guy, this "Dude" character isn't.

Dude coinheringaahing

Of course I'm not a cool guy, I'm a cool dude :P

AviFS

what happened to caird

I'm doing my best not to use my old friend caps-lock here

Dude coinheringaahing

I murdered her last night and took her place :P

emanresu A

00:05

What happened to BinisSaltchuck_D?

Dude coinheringaahing

Its interesting that decompressing ascii often just leads to random words, rather than anything that actually means anything

emanresu A

What's an aardwolf? That sounds... a bit scary

Dude coinheringaahing

Aardwolf

emanresu A

Oh I see

It always contains aachen

Dude coinheringaahing

Aachen is the first word in the dictionary, and it decompresses by repeated divmod. If it ever gets below a specific value, the output will include aachen

emanresu A

00:14

Oh lol

That could actually make a quite fun code golf challenge - given a number, determine if the resulting string includes aachen

Dude coinheringaahing

That's basically this

vyxal

exedra=j!

Dude coinheringaahing

kaye Fianchettos :P

vyxal

Vyxal

For discussion about Vyxal. Repo: github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal | Org: ...

4

emanresu A

Why

vyxal

00:18

because funny

Dude coinheringaahing

What happens if you decompress vyxal in Vyxal? :P

vyxal

ebutteoyh

emanresu A

` Lub;Gaely blenny`

Dude coinheringaahing

Assuredly\ denotated Bothered aalborg

emanresu A

MEGO navettes= Candlewicking agood

Sure

Dude coinheringaahing

00:20

> MEGO

emanresu A

Ik

Dude coinheringaahing

*flashbacks intensify*

emanresu A

They're back

Dude coinheringaahing

Everyone keep your eyes open for a gun toting penguin :P

5

emanresu A

Oh no

New Posts

00:31

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Q: Is my third code golf question too hard, or just not sufficiently low-hanging fruit? What might I do to make the number of answers nonzero?

My... first question Flatten a parabola keeping the distances between points along the curve constant +20 and 14 answers second question is still sandboxed: Is a coincident point in a pair of rotated hexagonal lattices closest to the origin and is probably too complicated to even read in its cur...

emanresu A

CMP: Is 150 tabs too many?

Dude coinheringaahing

Yes

Redwolf Programs

@emanresuA I would say 15 is too many

Maybe 25 if you spread them across a few windows

emanresu A

Nah, you're all wrong

Bubbler

I have ~100 tabs across three devices and six windows

Redwolf Programs

00:46

Well, per-device I mean

Dude coinheringaahing

I have 20 tabs open rn, but 9 of them are pinned so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

I count pinned tabs as like half a tab. I have six right now, but I wouldn't say I have 12 tabs open ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Dude coinheringaahing

This is the challenge on the site that's gone the longest without an answer (8 years at the end of the month)

hyper-neutrino

it also seems kinda unclear

or at least there isn't a formal enough definition of what a "serious contender" must satisfy

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Knapsack Paragraph, Format For A Phone

emanresu A

01:01

The best answer

exedraj

woah hey when did they change the layout of the profiles on all network sites?

Redwolf Programs

Today

exedraj

oh

nice

Redwolf Programs

It's been like this on SO for a while

exedraj

I know it's been like that on SO

I just didn't know it was on all sites now

hyper-neutrino

01:04

oh i hadn't noticed

nice

emanresu A

Idea: Userscript that replaces o with ಠ

Redwolf Programs

Everywhere?

Or just in o_o

emanresu A

Everywhere

Redwolf Programs

Sounds like the script someone had made to replace th with þ globally :p

emanresu A

Why would þey do þat?

exedraj

01:17

when you have the chance, I suggest you listen to this absolute masterpiece - rickroll made out of minecraft sounds

emanresu A

oh no

exedraj

oh heck oh frick

me when my area is in lockdown in 6 hours from now for a week

emanresu A

I used to know what that was like - sorry :(

exedraj

I'm more alarmed at the fact that we are even having a lockdown

Like I'm good with staying home, but having a lockdown means that the virus is getting close

too close for comfort

emanresu A

Have you got vaccinated?

exedraj

01:26

not yet. life's been too bus

y

but I'm definitely considering/planning to do so

emanresu A

Good idea

There are several thousand Australians trapped here for six more weeks, and the ones I've talked to consider themselves lucky.

exedraj

I can understand why they would say that

Y'all can control who comes and goes easier than we can

emanresu A

True

Dude coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms "someone" how dare you impugn my good name by not saying my name :P

Redwolf Programs

I made one too, so maybe the someone was referring to me :p

Or a superposition of the two of us :p

Dude coinheringaahing

01:35

Redwolf coinheringaahing :P

emanresu A

impugn

Any relation to pugs?

Dude coinheringaahing

No

It's pronounced "im-pune"

emanresu A

Ok

emanresu A

02:05

Javastack can calculate 2 + 2!

Redwolf Programs

Nice!

Having an easy way to calculate 5 is always a good thing

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emanresu A

Agreed

Dude coinheringaahing

Not at all inspired by a friend of mine doing a CompSci uni degree :P

exedraj

@RedwolfPrograms b...but I thought 2+2 was equal to 2: Try it Online!

emanresu A

Don't tell pygamer about this

He'll brag

exedraj

02:17

Try it Online!

Vyxal has infix too to some extent

emanresu A

To some extent

Dude coinheringaahing

Clearly Vyxal needs a flag that turns on infix commands

emanresu A

semicircumbiprecyclosuffix commands are the best.

Bubbler

aka omnifix

you write whatever way you want to use and the parser magically gets what you meant

emanresu A

What's +=1+=++!=1=!=12=e3=3=#++?

Bubbler

02:24

ParseError: your program is sus

emanresu A

16 hours ago, by Jo King

turns out humans are the worst compilers

hyper has a lot to answer for

Bubbler

Computers should get a robot arm and punch the programmer's face whenever they make syntax mistakes

emanresu A

Agreed

@RedwolfPrograms Would an answer in Javastack qualify for this?

Redwolf Programs

Most likely, yeah.

As long as it's an interesting answer and shows off a lot of the language

emanresu A

So not "Hello, world!" print?

Redwolf Programs

02:36

No :p

emanresu A

Ok

I'll make some more builtins then see what I can do

Are you still working on Ash?

Redwolf Programs

No, I stopped working on it a while ago

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA did you only just notice this

Redwolf Programs

I had no idea what I was doing when I first started on Ash, so quite a few of my early design decisions made things harder later on, and the interpreter started to become an unreadable mess, so I figured it was better to just make a new language later on.

emanresu A

@hyper-neutrino Yes

hyper-neutrino

02:44

it's been there since i implemented that command :p

and it's been pointed out multiple times

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms Risky?

@hyper-neutrino And somehow I missed all of that

Redwolf Programs

No, Risky was more of a small project

I still haven't started on my second big golfing language

emanresu A

Any ideas on what to do next?

Redwolf Programs

I've been putting off work on a new language for a while, since it'll take up almost all of my time for at least a month and I've got a large backlog of projects right now

emanresu A

It'd be good to have a general idea once you have enough time to work on it though

Redwolf Programs

02:47

I want to try something with a focus on first class functions, probably

I definitely want symbolic numbers

My main goal will probably just be "make a language that works and is short" :p

emanresu A

I kinda want to show off some of the more cursed features of the language, such as maybe, and four loops.

exedraj

@RedwolfPrograms pro-tip: learn a few golfing languages before starting

That's what a friend of mine once told me

emanresu A

@exedraj Did you see Javastack?

exedraj

@emanresuA about time you made a repo for it

:p

emanresu A

Currently scouring Vyxal's codepage for builtins.

I should probably document all this

exedraj

03:06

Yes

dzaima

@KamilaSzewczyk my attempt at a malbolge interpreter, using fancy linux things like mmap of the whole malbolge address space and a custom sigsegv handler to actually initialize. Also has a configurable trit width (even ones don't work for whatever reason though). Something like 1.5x faster for me for trit width 19 (which fit in 32-bit ints)

malbolge is actually surprisingly simple, given how hard it is to use (supposedly, i haven't used it myself). Had fun :D

dzaima

03:39

edited in a ~10% speed improvement. Have some more ideas for things, but i have to also sleep at some point

PyGamer0

04:12

@emanresuA lol

did you forget

that i can scroll

Bubbler

04:30

Any feedback?

especially the domino ones

PyGamer0

05:23

@exedraj what

you changed your name again?

exedraj

yes

PyGamer0

@exedraj bruh why

hyper-neutrino

brownie points if you can figure it out

exedraj

@PyGamer0 because the joke of confusing language name and username got old

Razetime

smh not even jonocode

PyGamer0

05:27

executable draj

what does ..^ mean

exedraj

@Razetime shhhh we dont talk about that

emanresu A

Clue: It's related to a language that's not Vyxal.

PyGamer0

@emanresuA keg?

Exedra

An exedra (plural: exedras or exedrae) is a semicircular architectural recess or platform, sometimes crowned by a semi-dome, and either set into a building's façade or free-standing. The original Greek sense (ἐξέδρα, a seat out of doors) was applied to a room that opened onto a stoa, ringed with curved high-backed stone benches, a suitable place for conversation. An exedra may also be expressed by a curved break in a colonnade, perhaps with a semicircular seat. The exedra would typically have an apsidal podium that supported the stone bench. The free-standing (open air) exedra, often supporting...

uuhhh google gave me that ^

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 Not a Lyxal language

PyGamer0

@emanresuA ok give me the answer

emanresu A

05:32

Look in the Vyxal transcript and scroll up about 30 messages

hyper-neutrino

hint: lyxal just changed his username recently, and due to the 30 day time limit, it's impossible for him to have changed it again

therefore, it is very likely someone else changed it for him, in which case he would have had to ask someone, so chat is a good place to look (though you're not guaranteed to find anything, since he could just DM me)

Razetime

ah so it's a caird coinheringaahing

hyper-neutrino

yes

PyGamer0

> it's a caird coinheringaahing

why the a

hyper-neutrino

did you figure out where the name exedraj came from

PyGamer0

05:37

@hyper-neutrino some jelly answer?

hyper-neutrino

not a jelly answer, just "lyxal" decompressed using sss

caird coinheringaahing's name also came from string decompression, specifically from an answer (which exedraj didn't), hence "it's a 'caird coinheringaahing'" using "caird coinheringaahing" as a term to describe a name obtained from jelly string decompression

emanresu A

I got

5 hours ago, by emanresu A

MEGO navettes= Candlewicking agood

PyGamer0

emanresu A

Which is why

5 hours ago, by Dude coinheringaahing

Everyone keep your eyes open for a gun toting penguin :P

Happened

PyGamer0

@PyGamer0 jelly community ad?

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05:40

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Q: Print Binary Trie

Given a tree as below The challenge is to print it in structure below add |lter |-mond |---st

code-golf ascii-art binary-tree

PyGamer0

^ Trie my favourite data structure

exedraj

I also realised I probably shouldnt have a username that is the same name as the language whos community ad accepted by the CM team

PyGamer0

@PyGamer0 i made that using MS-Paint (the best alternative to photoshop)

emanresu A

@exedraj Wait they accepted it?

How do you find that out?

hyper-neutrino

if it didn't get a note saying it was rejected and it has enough votes, it will (theoretically) be posted

PyGamer0

05:45

^ making fire in ms paint is ... kinda hard

exedraj

@emanresuA I meant to add a "that I want accepted by the cm team"

I was on my smartwatch when I wrote that

So I missed the obvious mistake

hyper-neutrino

not smart enough, i guess (:p)

exedraj

The watch is smart, the person using the watch isn't

:p

@PyGamer0 using the old logo smh

PyGamer0

@exedraj i didnt make the background i found it on google

exedraj

@PyGamer0 I know but it's the old background

emanresu A

05:50

I'd like to set up a workflow for Javastack to alphabetically sort the builtin list - how do I do that?

Razetime

by far, brachylog has the coolest gofllang logo

exedraj

Regex probably

@emanresuA ^

emanresu A

Like how do I set the workflow up?

On Gituhb?

exedraj

I'm not an expert on setting up workflows

emanresu A

Ok

I'll ask user

Razetime

05:55

nvm stax actually has the best logo

exedraj

This is so sad we just lost to the Americans at basketball

USA 97-78 AUS

Razetime

america's team is unfair anyway

PyGamer0

what is basket ball

lol jkjk

exedraj

The one time I watch our team at the Olympics and they lose

Bubbler

AUS = USA shuffled

PyGamer0

06:03

lol maam is thinking i am someone else

Razetime

06:54

@Dudecoinheringaahing do any of your languages have the ability to read files

pxeger

@Razetime I really want to make a golfing language with a massive standard library including interfaces to things that are rarely used, like files, network, concurrency, etc

because this seems like a common problem

Razetime

ah well I'm tryna get them bounties

emanresu A

Javastack is going to make up for its verbosity with loads and loads of builtins.

Razetime

and caird esolangs tend to be minimal and silly

so i thoght there may be one with such features

@pxeger concurrency sounds cool

let me check my list again

@pxeger so pylongolf2 did have file input, network.

but it's a dead project

I think MATL is the very best in terms of general purpose features

PyGamer0

@pxeger the?

Unrelated String

07:06

oh yeah i need to try matl one of these days

pxeger

@PyGamer0 the was a satire of some of the pretentious claims made by other programming languages. It was and never will be a real language

Unrelated String

the documentation being a pdf is somewhat
intimidating

PyGamer0

@Razetime who is caird?

Razetime

@UnrelatedString matl online used to be functional with searchable docs

Unrelated String

(...doesn't help that i have never used matlab/octave in my life)

Razetime

07:08

but it's not as good as stax search

Unrelated String

@Razetime ooh

Razetime

matl online's searchable docs still work

Unrelated String

stax search definitely isn't perfect because of the whole you-won't-always-think-of-the-same-word-as-the-langauge-designer-for-everything issue but it is quite nice

emanresu A

langauge

Razetime

@UnrelatedString I will submit a pr with more keywords and improve the search

@UnrelatedString same problem with the searchable cjama nd matl

Unrelated String

07:11

wait does it actually have a dedicated keyword field for the entries
niiiice

that might be part of why it feels better than ctrl-f on the jelly wiki

~~this isn't a problem for brachylog because you can just read all of the builtins~~

Razetime

@UnrelatedString no i need to add a keyword field

Unrelated String

ah

Razetime

it works better than Jelly ctrl-F because the descriptions are bigger

Unrelated String

lol

Razetime

and tom theisen forgets all the builtins once in a while

so that's why the online editor is really good

Unrelated String

07:14

reminds me whenever i get around to perhaps i really want to have fucking keyword salad in the docs but i don't think that would work too well in a markdown table and i don't feel like learning how to make a webpage first

Kamila Szewczyk

07:44

@AncientSwordRage i've noticed it - and ikr, that brought me a lot of views

currently i have probably around 14k visits on the github repo according to github itself

@dzaima really nice! i'm thinking of the larger crazyop LUT actually helps with something, since from my testing, crazy operations are like, ~2% of actually executed instructions; the most is NOPs and JMPs and i'm not sure if we can do anything about that without fusing optimisations.

emanresu A

@KamilaSzewczyk Congrats on 10k! ;)

Kamila Szewczyk

i'm going to maybe check the performance later today; i wonder if you've done something about memory consumption (check the first lines of fast20.c code for context).

@emanresuA haha, thanks. I got it only now it seems :P

emanresu A

;)

Think of it as an upvote for the malbolge lisp interpreter, because I can't upvote that.

PyGamer0

08:18

@Adám how do i enter the beta char in your kblayout

pxeger

@KamilaSzewczyk maybe we'll just have to admit that Malbolge isn't the best language for practical performance ;)

Kamila Szewczyk

hehe, maybe... you know, I always had a pipe dream of making a decent malbolge VM and then selling an intellectual property protection software that would obfuscate programs via virtualising them into malbolge...

Adám

@PyGamer0 Beta or German double S?

PyGamer0

@Adám greek letter Beta

Adám

I have not added the Greek alphabet (other than the letter-like symbols).

It really needs another layer/layout for that. I could switch all Latin letters to Greek when CapsLock is active…

PyGamer0

08:48

uh how do i parse this case (lisp) (print 10) (print 10)

['print', 10]

^ current parser outputs that

parser

i want it to out put

[['print', 10], ['print', 10]]

ok nvm i got it

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Q: Give the minimum Levenhstein distance to a string that matches the regex

Your task, at the moment that you choose to accept it, is to write a program that, when given a string and a (non-recursive, non-backtracking) regex, calculates the minimum levenhstein distance to a string that matches the regex. The levenhstein distance (or edit distance) between two strings is ...

string regular-expression

PyGamer0

^ needs wining criterion

Bubbler

Also severe lack of regex spec

Unrelated String

^

PyGamer0

^

emanresu A

09:05

@RedwolfPrograms does codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/69/… qualify for your bounty?

PyGamer0

uh i cant program

my lisp implementation can print and add numbers

(print (+ 12 43))

emanresu A

09:49

Good job

dzaima

10:06

@KamilaSzewczyk based on a stupid way to calculate it (marking crazy as a noinline function), crazy takes ~10% of the runtime in my impl (my test is to run (+ 2 2))

@dzaima edited in another 5% performance increase by not being completely overkill with a modulo increment

oh wait hmm my increment might not be conforming as it goes through the various areas instead of wrapping around in a single area

making increment be just x+1 with no wrapping makes it another 30% faster

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10:34

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Obfuscate my <>< code-golf fish <><, or Fish, is a two-dimensional esoteric programming language where the instruction pointer (IP) moves around the codebox, wrapping when it hits an edge. <>< has four basic movement instructions - <, >, ^, and v, which respectively mean to change the IP's direct...

dzaima

this should be a correct increment, but given "It is unspecified whether the auto-increment of the D register can register a width change" in the wiki idk what's okay

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Q: BMG is slowly dying

Let me put it simply: BMG, which was a good idea at first, is dying, to the point that we're not scheduling new ones, we're not hearing about it, we forgot that there was meant to be one on Tuesday, we tried to schedule one same time today and forgot again. So, what should we do about this?

discussion chat

PyGamer0

the readme

Adám

10:52

@PyGamer0 But what is the use case? I can't get a permalink, and I can't download the file…

PyGamer0

@Adám uhh just for writing random things

on a kindle

Dude coinheringaahing

@Razetime Orst does: github.com/cairdcoinheringaahing/Orst-Geo/blob/…

Razetime

@Dudecoinheringaahing any way to read bytes?

i suppose i can treat is as bytes if orst reads as exttended ascii

it uses utf-8, looks doable

Dude coinheringaahing

11:12

@Razetime Not builtin, no

Razetime

i guess I'll have to ord and base convert

dzaima

11:27

@dzaima and another 12% by using a 3-item lookup table for correcting the %94 (seems to only benefit clang, gcc has identical speeds with either version. clang is now 30% faster than gcc)

Codidact Posts

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: It's Hip to be Square

posted on August 05, 2021 by Shaggy

Challenge A catalogue type challenge that simply asks: Given an integer n (where n>=0) as input return a truthy value if n is a perfect square...

exedraj

13:24

So here's me. I'm playing monopoly on my phone with random internet strangers. It's my first turn and I roll the dice. 7. "Hey I might get a good chance card" I think to myself. I get sent to jail. Frick.

rak1507

jail is where you want to be in late game monopoly so you don't land on other people's properties

exedraj

Not on the first turn

rak1507

lol, true

exedraj

Like I went last out of the 4 people and managed to get jail

Meaning everyone else had property buying opportunities before I did

PyGamer0

@rak1507 what about in IRL?

rak1507

13:32

yeah not such a good idea irl I think lol

can't say for sure, never been

user

You don't want to get into jail young irl either

rak1507

depends on your life goals, jail is basically linkedin for criminals

3

user

@Dudecoinheringaahing Stole that off reddit didn't ya? :P

Dude coinheringaahing

13:53

@user ... maybe 👀

hyper-neutrino

14:18

i had a strange dream about i think it was a programming language where each line/expression cycles between perspectives, so the first line is first-person, the second is second-person, etc, and then i forget how many variants there were before it cycles again

i can't remember any details but this sounds like a rather interesting (i.e. cursed) idea

Dude coinheringaahing

@exedraj Sounds like they were playing boomer Monopoly while you were playing the millennial version :P

Redwolf Programs

14:46

@emanresuA Sure, I'll go ahead and start it

New bounty for an interesting new language just went up. If you're interested, check out Javastack!

hyper-neutrino

wait i thought javastack was java but as a stack

wait that's what the readme says but this is clearly js?

Dude coinheringaahing

Isn't it postfix stack-based Java, but written in JS?

hyper-neutrino

oh is it just cuz it's rather verbose

cuz i don't see anything java-related in this repo

Vyxal

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