The Nineteenth Byte

user

16:00

idk how Python works, but the JVM performs better once it's warmed up

N3buchadnezzar

Does English have any words with a heap of vocals in a row?

hyper-neutrino

vowels? or am i missing smth

caird coinheringaahing

Euouae

user

Queue

Redwolf Programs

AAAAAAAAAAAAH :p

caird coinheringaahing

16:01

> In some cases the letters EUOUAE can be further shortened to E----E

hyper-neutrino

onomatopoeia has four distinct ~~consonants~~ vowels at the end

Redwolf Programs

Consonants?

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah good old euouae

valid scrabble word

as is the plural, EUOUAES

caird coinheringaahing

I find it endlessly disappointing that onomatopoeia isn't onomatopoeic

pxeger

CMC (no looking it up!): what is the shortest English word containing all 5 vowels?

rak1507

16:02

@pxeger euouae?

hyper-neutrino

i

caird coinheringaahing

...

pxeger

LMFAO

Redwolf Programs

...

hyper-neutrino

...

rak1507

16:03

oh it doesn't have an i in it oops

user

@pxeger alphabet

pxeger

how

the default.

let me grep /usr/share/dict/words

pxeger

how do you get that so badly wrong

@thedefault. that counts as looking it up!

rak1507

I thought you meant the shortest word with 5 vowels in a row

I obviously just can't read

pxeger

16:03

(I have one, but I don't know if it's the shortest)

Redwolf Programs

Same

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger (I looked it up) why is english so weird?

hyper-neutrino

yesterday i was trying to figure out the longest grammatically correct japanese sentence with only vowels in it

rak1507

hmm, eulogia? I doubt there's a 6

oh sequoia as well

hyper-neutrino

i tried smth like 青い王会う「あおいおうあう」 (aoiouau) but IDK if it's grammatically correct

caird coinheringaahing

16:04

Do science names count?

@rak1507 There is a 6

pxeger

@rak1507 stop cheating, or I'll teach you a lesson!

rak1507

I'm not cheating

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing why not?

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing :O

caird coinheringaahing

There is potentially a 5, if we count latin animal names as English :P

N3buchadnezzar

16:05

Does system of a downs song I-E-A-I-A-I-O count?

rak1507

oiseau?

caird coinheringaahing

Isn't that Old MacDonald Had a Farm?

rak1507

not sure if that counts as an english word

pxeger

that's French

caird coinheringaahing

That's very French :P

rak1507

16:05

yeah :P oh well

Redwolf Programs

Eukaryotic?

pxeger

You'd struggle to convince anyone it's English

@RedwolfPrograms if you want one with a y in it, that looks like it might be the shortest

caird coinheringaahing

Huh, apparently eutopia is a valid spelling of utopia

rak1507

I'm not convinced

N3buchadnezzar

ytopia

pxeger

16:07

CMC: English word with the most phonemes in one syllable

@N3buchadnezzar we don't speak German here :þ

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Eunoia

pxeger

wow

caird coinheringaahing

> Eunoia is the goodwill a speaker cultivates between themselves and their audience

> It is also a rarely used medical term referring to a state of normal mental health

rak1507

not a valid scrabble word therefore not a word imo :P

pxeger

"imo" is definitely not a word

caird coinheringaahing

16:08

> The word Iouea, a genus of sea sponges, contains all five regular vowels and no other letters.

pxeger

"word"

Wheat Wizard

strengths is probably a good contender with 7 phonemes.

hyper-neutrino

i think it's one of the longest words containing only one vowel

pxeger

@WheatWizard I have a 9

Redwolf Programs

It's the longest in my dictionary

pxeger

16:09

(depends on your dialect I suppose though)

caird coinheringaahing

It is the longest word containing only one vowel

Wheat Wizard

Yeah but you can still have 1 syllable with 2 vowels and letters aren't quite phonemes.

caird coinheringaahing

At least according to GWR

hyper-neutrino

ah

caird coinheringaahing

@AaronMiller Not anymore :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing Iouea has 4 syllables, and 5 letters, I hate it

Wheat Wizard

16:11

@pxeger What is it? I'm dying to know.

N3buchadnezzar

Find an english word with 6 consonants in a row (there are multiple)

rak1507

@N3buchadnezzar is y a consonant?

tsktsks is a valid scrabble word so there

Wheat Wizard

Are we talking about consonant phonemes or letters?

caird coinheringaahing

@N3buchadnezzar rhythm, or rhythms

hyper-neutrino

i usually consider y a consonant iff it is at the start (either of the word or like in lanyard)

pxeger

16:13

@WheatWizard Well if you'd scrounged better I'd have told you it already, but I guess you'll have to wait :þ

N3buchadnezzar

@rak1507 No y's

Aaron Miller

@N3buchadnezzar crwths

caird coinheringaahing

@N3buchadnezzar Depending on how aggressively you throw it, yeet can have as many e's in a row as you need :P

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing yet (small underhand toss)

pxeger

yt (drop on the floor)

Wheat Wizard

16:19

For a slightly different challenge strangled has only vowel but 7 consonants.

caird coinheringaahing

EVERYBODY DO THE FLOP (asdfmovie song)

►

Wheat Wizard

However it is 2 syllables.

hyper-neutrino

isn't that two vowels?

Wheat Wizard

No, only one.

pxeger

@WheatWizard no, "however it" is 4 syllables

@WheatWizard it's basically "strangulled", though, isn't it?

Aaron Miller

16:20

@WheatWizard str a ngl e d

hyper-neutrino

... am i bad at reading or are "a" and "e" vowels

caird coinheringaahing

or is this another "3 isn't a number" thing?

hyper-neutrino

oh no

Wheat Wizard

Not in terms of letters. In terms of sounds. the e is silent in strangled.

pxeger

we're talking about phoneme vowels, not letters

hyper-neutrino

16:21

oh

.-.

Wheat Wizard

[ˈstɹæŋɡɫ̩t]

pxeger

@WheatWizard you need this function in your shell rc then:

gimme () {
	python -Sc "print(end='\\N{$*}')" | xclip -selection clipboard
}

Wheat Wizard

@pxeger You can pronounce it with 2 vowels, but a) usually not and b) its more fun to select the pronunciation that leads to 7 consonants and 1 vowel.

pxeger

but would you not say there is always something resembling a vowel between the G and L?

Wheat Wizard

No, English allows certain syllabic consonants at the ends of words. This is the case in strangled.

I mean you can say that an l resembles a vowel.

It certainly looks like an i.

pxeger

16:29

I mean when you say it out loud

say the "gl" over and over, do you not think that noise between them is basically a vowel?

Wheat Wizard

It's syllabic and vowels sound syllabic usually.

It does share some features with vowels and some speakers will put a vowel there in some registers.

It's easier to see in something like bottle which can be pronounced [ˈbɑ.ɾɫ̩], two syllables with 1 vowel.

caird coinheringaahing

16:51

Community's profile picture has changed :(

hyper-neutrino

what the hell

pxeger

how does this happen

caird coinheringaahing

Looks like it's reverted back to the default gravatar

hyper-neutrino

someone unhash the gravatar to figure out what the key is

anyway, I can 11 the profile back, but like... what...

I'm working on restoring it network-wide - we ran a backfill that did something... unexpected — Dean Ward ♦ 26 secs ago

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Q: My avatar icon has reset, but only on Stack Overflow

Just now when I went to Stack Overflow I noticed that my avatar icon has changed. But only the little one at the top of the page, next to my reputation. When I open my profile, or even my Network Profile, all shows up fine. On further inspection, the URLs for the icon seem different. On SO it's: ...

so uh. looks like some funny glitch happened \o/

Redwolf Programs

17:07

I have made a list of 16826 words which can be reached by changing a different word in the list by exactly one character

I'm surprised there's so many in a dictionary of around 60k words

hyper-neutrino

17:27

nick kennedy back at it with OP jelly skills

caird coinheringaahing

> Not written primarily to be compact but for efficiency and speed

> Uses Œ! as the first atom in the main link

hyper-neutrino

lol

Redwolf Programs

17:49

@RedwolfPrograms 17 steps is the longest I can find, searching by hand a bit:

amending -> mending -> bending -> beading -> bearing -> baring -> bring -> ring -> rang -> range -> ranger -> anger -> angler -> antler -> anther -> panther -> panthers

hyper-neutrino

18:22

that's inconvenient

less errors instead of just doing undefined behavior or showing no color if you reference a non-existent variable

so if you save your current theme with a typo in dev mode atom just crashes immediately

user

???

hyper-neutrino

or rather, atom's less interpreter/compiler/whatever errors if you have undefined variables and then atom just dies

i had it in dev mode cuz ctrl-alt-r for whatever reason doesn't reload for me :/

even when i'm using ENG-US - with the APL keyboard, ctrl-alt is the same as altgr so it just types ⍴

user

Oh, I thought you were replying to Redwolf

hyper-neutrino

oh lol

user

Do you mean (noun) Less (verb) errors?

Or (adjective) less (noun) errors?

Redwolf Programs

18:28

Less is a CSS preprocessor

hyper-neutrino

yeah i should've probably capiatlized that

user

I know, was just a bit confused about what HN was talking about

I thought atom referred to Jelly at first lol

hyper-neutrino

though it would be "fewer errors" in this case, but i don't think i am particularly known for always adhering to grammatical rules :p

att

19:06

i think we could use a new hyperoperation question

the current one seems pretty under-specified for current standards

user

Don't we have a ton already?

caird coinheringaahing

@att Tbh, that looks more like it should be edited, not reposted

att

or that, yeah

user

There's also codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/110630/… and codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/5562/…

att

idk the usual way to approach this

user

19:09

^^^^

hyper-neutrino

huh. blue background looks like it's raised higher than red background, so if my background is red the text looks more raised than if my background is blue

caird coinheringaahing

This looks really promising from Phillipe

> I’m also, hopefully very soon, going to begin a “listening tour” through the various stack exchange sites, once we get the logistics figured out.

hyper-neutrino

i know this because my atom is currently cycling through red and blue every second and my eyes hurt

Aaron Miller

> from those who ran big subreddits like r/news to those in more… esoteric parts of the site

Hey, we're a pretty "esoteric" part of SE! :p

caird coinheringaahing

19:28

notice us senpai

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hyper-neutrino

well there are certainly many opinions on chat

caird coinheringaahing

I kinda agree with Kevin, in that chat just about works as is, and I wouldn't want it to be ruined in the name of improvement

On the other hand, chat needs improvement :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm tempted to pin this as it's pretty directly relevant to us. On the other hand, that feels a bit too much like self-promotion. Thoughts y'all?

N3buchadnezzar

Baby shark doo doo doo

@cairdcoinheringaahing I upvoted it, seems good =)

caird coinheringaahing

Man, the vote counts on it are so weird :P There's me and mith on 10+, then two very controversial posts at 0 and -3 :P

I'm waiting for Glorfindel, Shadow or Machavity to write an answer that hits 100+ within the hour tho :P

hyper-neutrino

19:45

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's not self-promotion if I do it

caird coinheringaahing

You make a good point :P

hyper-neutrino

ok but if anyone disagrees feel free to let me know, don't wanna seem like i'm force pinning it, any ROs can unpin any time if they want

@cairdcoinheringaahing tbf one post says "chat is great and epic" which is wrong and one says "don't fix chat" which is also debatable :p

but yeah advertising chat as "the place without main site rules" isn't a great idea

caird coinheringaahing

"Hey check out chat! Got question banned for spam? Have we got the place for you!"

Redwolf Programs

More RO tools would be cool, being able to 12 people out of existence is something I'd really like :p

Editing any message in the room should definitely be an RO privilege, even just for updating pinned announcements without writing whole new ones or pinging a mod

Anush

hi

I have a string and a dictionary and I want to cover as much of the string as possible with dictionary words. What's a good way to do that?

hyper-neutrino

20:00

@RedwolfPrograms do you mean editing your own messages without a time limit, or editing any message

@Anush do you need efficiency

Anush

@hyper-neutrino yes please

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Either's fine, but I'd like both for maximum ~~RO abuse~~ helpfulness

hyper-neutrino

I don't think the latter is necessarily a great idea :P but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anush

@hyper-neutrino I feel there is probably an undergrad algorithm for it but I don't know what it is

Redwolf Programs

Are the words guaranteed to be space separated?

In the input and the dictionary?

Anush

20:05

@RedwolfPrograms You can think of the dictionary as just a list/array of strings

the input is just one string

hyper-neutrino

you can probably just dp it and if you really want build a trie or smth

Anush

dp it?

hyper-neutrino

dynamic programming; for each prefix, cover as much as you can

Anush

that sounds greedy

hyper-neutrino

yes dp is somewhat greedy

for each sub-state, find the best, building on previous states

DP is good for counting permutations/paths and finding optimal something of a list

Anush

20:07

how about using "weighted interval scheduling"?

hyper-neutrino

for example, my jelly compressor is basically a DP - it could be converted to a true DP, but since I want to have a cache for efficiency, i memoize-recurse instead which is basically the same thing

also i have no clue what the hell that is

Anush

cs.umd.edu/class/fall2017/cmsc451-0101/Lects/…

maybe the weight is just the length of the dictionary words

Redwolf Programs

This meta post from the new community VP is a very good sign I think

hyper-neutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i just know how to do some basic random shit lol. sorry can't really help you out beyond some basic algos for cp

Anush

no problem

Redwolf Programs

20:11

I'd just brute force it, and when people call it slow just blame python (even if it's not in python)

Anush

:)

I need some algo nerds!

Shaggy

20:27

Ugh! Wanted to try to crack some more Vyxal solutions in that C&R challenge but half its codepage doesn't render on my phone :\

Aaron Miller

sadge

looks like my programs are safe

for now

Shaggy

Yep, they're the ones I want to go after, Aaron.

I'm reckoning the character to change in the "FizzBuzz" one is the one between the 2 strings but that's one of the ones that's not rendering.

hyper-neutrino

i can go crack that one if you want aaron :p

Aaron Miller

nah, im good

A username

Ooh, I wann a try

Nice job cracking Vyxal's Lyxal solution

Aaron Miller

20:33

thx

Redwolf Programs

Or is it Lyxal's Vyxal solution?

Aaron Miller

look at the source of that answer

my crack, that is

A username

@AaronMiller Cracked in about two seconds

Was that your intention?

Aaron Miller

dang it. I missed that. The intended solution was much more hacky and bug-exploiting

Shaggy

@Ausername Weird; I tried that, too but got the original, spaced output

A username

20:35

Hm

my crack so you can update it

hyper-neutrino

your intended was k`...`F wasn't it

Shaggy

Was the interpreter updated recently? The font keeps changing for me the past few minutes between one that renders most of the characters on my phone and one that doesn't.

hyper-neutrino

the language itself frequently does but i don't think anyone's touched the frontend in a while?

A username

Unless you count bugs with Vylight that I've been fixing

Shaggy

@Ausername Wait, no, that's not what I tried. Think I'll just have to give up on trying Vyxal on my phone.

A username

20:39

Oh well

The site looks really weird on mobile

IT'S ALL BLUE

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino yep, and I've added an explanation

A username

Nice lol

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino The online interpreter is setup to automatically pull from the repo whenever there's a new commit

> Cracked Vyxal's Lyxal answer

A username

Well, Vyxal and Lyxal are the same person, right?

hyper-neutrino

@AaronMiller right but that shouldn't modify the frontend only the behavior of the code right?

A username

20:51

@Shaggy It's kinda funny how you're cracking everyone by just trying random things...

hyper-neutrino

probably a sign that we need better submissions /s

A username

@AaronMiller I honestly didn't know about that glitch.

Aaron Miller

@hyper-neutrino oh, yeah. I wasn't really paying attention to the conversation :p

@Ausername which glitch are you talking about?

A username

k`...`f

Aaron Miller

I only discovered it a little while ago

in Vyxal, 4 hours ago, by Aaron Miller

I've discovered something, but I'm not sure what or why or how

btw, I've got one more uncracked Vyxal answer

A username

20:55

Ooh

Shaggy

@Ausername I actually did have a quick look through the Rattle documentation. And then tried random shit!

A username

That one looks... harder.

Lo

l

Redwolf Programs

I think I have an idea for another JS cop

A username

Ooh

More fizzbuzz, seriously?

I bet this is all a red herring...

hyper-neutrino

wtf

Aaron Miller

20:59

@Ausername I can neither confirm nor deny those allegations

hyper-neutrino

oh holy shit this language is broken

A username

You're individually uppercasing each one...

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