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3:04 PM
Morning!
 
hello
 
\o
 
Upgrading my ws logging for the upcoming event
 
@pxeger yeah... I mean, people who know about the Sandbox and know to go there first probably bothered to familiarize themselves with our site scope a bit and understand what's on-topic; only people who don't really read any of the help text we try to shove in people's face would skip sandbox and post off-topic stuff / unspecified challenges to main directly :P
it's unfortunate but we can only shove so much stuff in new users' faces, we just have to hope they read it
 
3:05 PM
Just sod's law I guess
 
Currently the first thing we shove in their faces is totally incorrect though :/
 
speaking of which, when you try to ask a question for the first time, SE shoves a popup in your face, and I'd like to improve that dialog and make it more relevant to CGCC
 
ninja'd you :p
sort of
 
kind of :p
 
idea: add something to our site's CSS that completely breaks it unless you install the SE Software Abuse Userscript™ which will unbreak the CSS and, at the same time, fix all the deficiencies in the help center and stuff that cause users to post inappropriately
 
3:09 PM
lol no
 
brilliant
 
The recent CrOS updates have been quite good
 
being?
 
The chrome 90 update (a while back now), and the newest one which added a few features I'll never use but are good ideas
Like the ability to share files between nearby chromebooks and android phones, without having to bother with google drive / dropbox / ftp / email
 
MORNING MOTHERF*****S
 
3:16 PM
AFTERNOON in my timezone
 
Doesn't have the same ring to it though :p
 
MORNING/AFTERNOON/EVENING/NIGHT MOTHERF*****S
@RedwolfPrograms QUITE RIGHT MOTHERF*****
 
user is sam jackson confirmed
 
user are there snakes on your plane
 
Person A: Good morning.
Person B: Good morning.
Person C: Good morning.
Person D: You all sound like robots, try spicing it up a bit.
Person E: MORNING MOTHERF*****S
took me around 50 clicks to find it :P
 
3:19 PM
@Razetime YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT MOTHERF*****?
Ok, I'm going to stop saying MOTHERFATHER now
 
@Razetime I am tired of these motherf*cking golfing languages on this motherf*cking site!
2
:P
 
Apr 27 at 12:58, by Redwolf Programs
Redwolf: Good morning.
Lyxal: Good morning.
Razetime: Good morning.
caird: You all sound like robots, try spicing it up a bit.
user: MORNING MOTHERF*****S
 
nice markdown
@RedwolfPrograms :o it was prophesized
 
omg holycrap
 
@Razetime Doesn't have the same ring to it as MOTHERF***** :P
 
3:20 PM
@RedwolfPrograms just updated, not really anything helpful for me :/. The screenshot update was nice, but buggy
 
I use those screenshot features almost daily, they're definitely better than the built-in tools on any other OS
 
yeah
 
There have been some major changes to the close reason UI since this request was created - as such, I'd love it if y'all would take a look at this guide on MSE and revamp the close reason more completely to take advantage of the new fields. Once that's done, re-tag this as status-review and I'll edit it for y'all :) cc @hyper-neutrino — Catija ♦ 49 mins ago
I like this
Might even be worth having an entirely new meta discussion about revamping the close reasons
 
I forgot to untag that myself actually :P I went over that request with Catija the other day and she pointed me to that as well as a private post on formatting close reason requests (since there are five fields to edit per close reason which can get confusing for us).
Hey there @Rainbolt! Your old meta post is once again getting attention :D
 
i love it
I wish I had time to golf these days but I just work all the time now
I did send some high school students this way. Not sure if they got involved. They compete in programming challenges for school, so this would be a good fit for them.
 
Are those programming challenges like ICPC / USACO (if you're in the US) -style competitive programming or like for-fun challenges like the ones we have?
 
It's nearly identical to ICPC. They have a multiple choice exam portion that ICPC doesn't have. But the programming portion is the same.
 
ah, that's cool
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

mathIs it a valid Parker Square 5 Years ago, this happend, and then it became sort of a meme. Challenge The Challenge today is, to check if a "magic square" is a valid parker square. What is a valid parker square? It must be a \$3\times3\$ "magic square" There must be numbers that appear twice in th...

 
I used to do that style of competitive programming a bit in high school but I was never really good at it. Got into the national competition kind of out of luck TBH and did absolutely garbage there xD
 
3:36 PM
Well I think you're pretty good if you made it to nationals
 
heh, I solved the two easy problems and did some stupid solution to a really weird ad hoc problem and then solved a trivial subtask
which got me just enough points :p
 
I competed in the south central region (Texas, Louisiana, and maybe some other states) four years in a row and we placed in the top 10 once I think.
I was happy to beat UT Austin's A Team one year
 
ooh, that's very nice
 
Would you say competing in those sorts of competitions helps you later on?
 
interesting fact: SE tags can't be made only of digits
 
3:39 PM
Yes they can
or
 
Why would you want to make a tag starting with a digit? [tag:5secstosolve]
for example
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Those aren't only digits
 
 
@user message was edited
 
@user Yes I would. Specifically, when faced with a medium sized problem and I have to decide how much time do I spend Googling the solution versus just programming it myself, I feel like I have more options available to me because I spent a lot of time solving medium sized problems.
 
3:40 PM
How do you do the tag thing in chat?
 
@hyper-neutrino Oh lol
 
[tag:foo]
 
[That's exactly what I did?
 
ninja'd
 
3:40 PM
Well I wrapped it around backticks.
 
no `` tho
 
But without the backticks :P
 
there, it works
 
With all digits.
 
3:40 PM
just made this tag
 
huh
well why can't I create it?
 
Every time you go to a tagged URL, you seemingly create a new tag:
 
@Rainbolt Thanks, that's helpful. Someone told me those sorts of problems don't come up in real life, so I was wondering whether to continue participating in ACSL and stuff
 
@ophact not really, non-existent tags just happen to not 404
you have to tag a question to actually create it and you need 300 rep to do so
is this a mod-only thing? @cairdcoinheringaahing can you try retagging my question with
 
I have 1975 rep > 300
 
i will banish both of these tags later
 
ok, to be more precise: why can't I create a tag of only digits on StackOverflow for Teams?
 
oh that's... different probably
 
3:42 PM
@hyper-neutrino you didn't make :/
 
I created the tag, but then apparently it wasn't suitable so now it languishes somewhere
 
@Wezl oops
 
@hyper-neutrino Just did it
 
Unrelated, but I appear to be confirmed as the Hulk, a waffle, a jerk, and Samuel Jackson
 
@ophact yeah if a tag doesn't have any questions it gets eaten at 3 AM UTC i believe
 
3:43 PM
I answered the Ideas for the popup thingy.
 
@hyper-neutrino
 
i forget if no-wiki single-use tags also get chomped
 
@hyper-neutrino Once a week, on Sundays IIRC
 
I thought of a really cool challenge idea, but it's been done already :/
 
3:44 PM
For a second I thought that was a rickroll :/
 
@pxeger Tags can have any of a-z0-9+#-. in them, there's no other restrictions
 
 
Why + and # seem kind of random
 
@user I'm getting better at recognizing those. now seriously stop
 
@RedwolfPrograms c++ and c#
 
3:45 PM
What's with the pink parts?
 
@ophact I thought you were sad that you didn't get a rickroll, because you typed :/ :/
 
This is ;# erasure
 
@ophact me blocking out the name and icon of my Team
 
alright I have nuked those tags and am waiting for the jaws of SE to consume them
 
3:46 PM
@pxeger what happens if you try other numbers, does it fail for all of them?
 
I'm hoping to catch an "event_type":14 pokemon today
 
@hyper-neutrino seems to
 
@RedwolfPrograms Flag?
 
No, "global notification"
 
3:46 PM
@user they get digested by the bots
 
Not sure what it is
A flag would be pretty cool too, but my hopes aren't high
 
@hyper-neutrino actually, long digit-only tags work
 
There was one earlier
 
oh cool i think those tags already got yeeted because i merged them
 
3:47 PM
@pxeger huh. strange...
 
What if...Redwolf make spam?
 
okay seriously stop typing in tags
 
@RedwolfPrograms Redwolf lose RO status :P
Which is also a chat event btw :P
 
Redwolf lose account
 
Redwolf get 11 :P
 
3:48 PM
@hyper-neutrino [tag:ok :(]
 
Now try that one without the backticks?
[tag:ok :(]
[tag:(]
 
Doesn't match the regex
 
digit-only tags shorter than 11 characters are "not allowed"
 
TIL (or at least remembered) [...string] and string.split("") are different
 
3:53 PM
yES THEY ARE
Oops capslock
 
@RedwolfPrograms is that different for UTF-32 characters, or is it more subtle
 
@ophact You can press the up key to edit
@pxeger Basically yeah. .split("") will break up characters that consist of multiple UTF-16 code points, while [...] won't
"😊".split("").map(s => s.codePointAt()) // (2) [55357, 56842]
[..."😊"].map(s => s.codePointAt()) // [128522]
I strongly dislike UTF-16
 
Imagine not using UTF-1, where every character is represented by a single bit
 
UTF-8 is nice, because it uses single bytes so you don't have to worry about endianness and ASCII is nice and compact. UTF-32 is nice because everything is the same length. UTF-16 is like AES-192...it's just pointless.
 
3:58 PM
@hyper-neutrino I think you mean 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
 
I personally am a fan of UTF-11. It's the encoding moderators use to process mod work.
 
UTF-1 is a method of transforming ISO 10646/Unicode into a stream of bytes. Its design does not provide self-synchronization, which makes searching for substrings and error recovery difficult. It reuses the ASCII printing characters for multi-byte encodings, making it unsuited for some uses (for instance Unix filenames cannot contain the byte value used for forward slash). UTF-1 is also slow to encode or decode due to its use of division and multiplication by a number which is not a power of 2. Due to these issues, it did not gain acceptance and was quickly replaced by UTF-8. == Design == Similar...
 
@RedwolfPrograms Of course it actually exists :P
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
That's why 1xxxxxxx is used for multi-byte UTF-8
 
4:00 PM
How about UTF-0.125? That actually makes more sense for a single bit encoding :P
 
caird has been excommunicated from SE
 
UTF-2, which keeps only the four most useful letters: j, q, x, and z
 
UTF-0, because text is overrated
 
I wonder if UTF-0 exists
 
UTF-⅔, which encodes every string as a solution to this
 
4:02 PM
@hyper-neutrino ​
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ​
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ​
 
The event got removed from Hinduism.SE so I didn't even get to test it >:|
 
@hyper-neutrino ​
 
4:02 PM
ok let's not spam this too much :p but i assume you are using ZWSP?
 
i just copied the source of your message and edited the number :P
 
lol me too
 
why text is invisible
 
4:03 PM
@Wasif caird is practicing the dark arts
 
lol
 
TBH i use the "edit other messages" permission more to steal people's markdown formatting than to actually edit the message :P
 
@Wasif while SE chat is broken, it still understands UTF-0
 
@Wasif that's what happens if you type your password in chat; SE censors it
 
@Wasif They have this character :P
@pxeger hunter2
 
4:04 PM
0/10 not a rickroll
 
Damn, didn't work :/
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ??? I only see stars
 
There is a space here:​did you see that?
 
I see
 
blank message
 
4:04 PM

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...
 
​message
 
@pxeger Oh man, have people already forgotten hunter2? :(
 
in discord you can do _ _ to send a single normal space, italicized, which apparently does not count as a "blank message"
 
err how to make it work
 
4:04 PM
@Wezl Yeah, the place where @Rosie says strange stuff
 
@hyper-neutrino An italicized space is for when you really want to emphasize how much nothing you feel
 
Rosie a random chat bot, not to be confused with the CM
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing no, I haven't forgotten it?
 
@RedwolfPrograms i would bold my spaces if i could to really send the point across
 
@hyper-neutrino Bolded, italic ZWSP are for real emphasis:
 
4:06 PM
you can also italicize emojis in discord which makes them small even if there's no other text in the message
it looks really cursed
@cairdcoinheringaahing wow, that nothing looks really emphasized
 
I like ಠ_ಠ
 
So much unicode black magic
 
And, for the most disapproval possible:
 
4:07 PM
Oh crap, forgot it was that big
 
Aw, not bold :/
 
only caird would have that image to hand lol
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ಠ_ಠ
 
@pxeger It's one of my chat command shortcuts :P
 
smh
 
4:09 PM
0
Q: Print this matrix without embedding its values directly in the program

Arnaud Le BlancPrint this matrix without embedding its values directly in the program: 1 8 9 16 2 7 10 15 3 6 11 14 4 5 12 13 Exact format does not matter as long as there is 4 lines and a separator between values.

 
smalltalk answer to the smalltalk challenge
 
@NewPosts Not a bad challenge, but needs more details
 
@NewPosts and the IO format
 
Python: `print('this matrix')`
Dosen't use those numbers at all
 
unobservable requirement
 
4:11 PM
print('this matrix without embedding its values directly in the program')
 
If it was "without digits" it would be observable, but not really interesting
 
@Wasif -2 bytes by switching to python 2
 
"print this number without numbers" is pretty old
 
@ophact lol
golfing joke answer
 
4:11 PM
CMC: Print "this number" without "number"s
This will be pretty easy frankly
 
“çḲ@İY»
 
@hyper-neutrino actually every joke is old
no new funny one
 
i have the jelly string compressor bookmarked :P
 
To clarify... print the string "this number" without the string "number" appearing in your source code?
 
Yes
 
4:12 PM
"this "+typeof 0
 
@RedwolfPrograms genius
 
awesome
But still i think 'number' is shorter?
 
V or vim, 15 keystrokes iTHIS NUMBER<esc>Vu
 
4:13 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Exactly the kind of answer I love
 
14: ithis numbeR<c-o>~
 
@ophact Scala: print("this numbe"+"r")
 
It's a CMC, so no chance of downvotes ;)
 
13: ithis numbe<c-v>r
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Arnaud Le BlancPrint this matrix: 1 8 9 16 2 7 10 15 3 6 11 14 4 5 12 13 Exact format does not matter as long as each row is printed on a separate line and there is a separator between values.

 
4:15 PM
???
 
Someone's triggering it in the Sandbox
 
3 messages moved to Sandbox
redwolf...
 
it should be designed to post in the room it was pinged in
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I saw "dialog" and thought this had something to do with APL at first and was very confused
 
4:16 PM
I'm going to go check the codez, brb
 
@DJMcMayhem Blame hyper, I just took the question title :P
 
Instead I'm going to blame my brain for not noticing the difference between dialog and dyalog
 
I could make it "dialogue" :P
or modal. i think that's more accurate
 
yes
British spelling supremacy
 
@DJMcMayhem That's a levenshtein distance of 1, you can forgive your brain :P
 
4:17 PM
no it's dialog
for me at least
 
No, it's dyealoggue
 
this question has been deleted according to the revision history
 
diealog
 
@ophact what do you mean by "for me"? You would instinctively spell it dialog?
 
Yes
 
4:18 PM
@hyper-neutrino
 
tbf, I would use "dialog" for "message box" and "dialogue" for "conversation"
 
@hyper-neutrino Try superpinging for status in the sandbox again
 
works, it seems
 
Huh. Not sure what was causing that before, then. Thanks!
 
4:23 PM
:P nice
 
4:38 PM
@cairdcoinheringaahing What do you call a group of APL superheros? The Dyaleague
9
 
@ophact Live a log, die a log.
 
something something dye a log?
something something dial ogg?
 
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Q: Generate this number table

BadCoderGiven a number n (n>1) generate a table like below. For number 5, 1 2 3 4 5 2 2 3 4 5 3 3 3 4 5 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 For number 8, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 3 3 3 4 5 6 7 8 4 4 4 4 5 6 7 8 5 5 5 5 5 6 7 8 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 8 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 Shortest code wins! Trailing whitespa...

 
@NewPosts @cairdcoinheringaahing I had to upvote for the FGITW :þ
 
2 days ago, by hyper-neutrino
i am speed
 
4:50 PM
No you're not, you're caird, and you're on speed
 
@DJMcMayhem What do you call an APL newsletter? A DYALOGue.
 
dammit i look away for 2 seconds and this happens
 
? What's wrong with puns?
 
(the FGITW opportunity)
 
4:53 PM
I have a question about the binary ordering to ternary ordering question - given that the symbols are 0, 1, and 2, surely mapping a binary int to a ternary int is good?
 
No, that doesn't form a bijection
e.g. 00010 and 10 both give the same output when using base-conversion
 
and it's not monotonic
 
How should comparisons between numbers and arrays work?
 
Wrap the number as [x] and lexicographically
 
5:05 PM
either that or vectorize (in this case, each on one side), depends on the situation
 
vectorize.
 
Well, in this case it's for a sort comparator so vectorizing isn't useful
 
Are you resuming work on Ash?
 
No, a different (golfing?) language
It's extremely experimental
 
@Wasif APL functions have long right scope, so you can remove the right hand parenthesis.
Also, it isn't a tacit function. is the argument, which is explicit.
 
5:09 PM
@Adám thanks! for the tip
 
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Q: Tips for golfing in APL

gthacoderI started one code golf challenge recently and it seems like the winner is GolfScript (surprise, surprise!). What's interesting is that there was another very strong competitor that had all chances to win over GolfScript. Its name is APL. I see a lot of answers written in APL here. It seems like ...

 
@user Why do you want access to my testing room lol
 
To star everything
 
You can do that regardless
 
And commit eleven, of course
Oh ok
 
5:10 PM
@RedwolfPrograms where is your testing room?
 
Should a notice be added to the other answer?
 
Also, the entire FAQ could do with some cleaning up tbh. I'm updating the main index page atm, but posts should 1) be CW and 2) have [Return to FAQ index](https://codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1280) at the bottom of each
 
Something like "Note: As of June 20th, 2018, CGCC has MathJax support. Please see this answer instead"
 
5:23 PM
@user There's already a comment, but I think that so long as the top answer is the mathjax one, it should be alright
 
I'll put that on my to-do list for my next meta edit flood
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Everyone upvote this
 
CWs don't bump, so if anyone wants some free flags, has them all :P
 
wait they don't?
 
What do you mean by [tag:faq has them all?
 
5:25 PM
"has [all the FAQ posts, about half of which aren't CW]"
@hyper-neutrino Converting to CW doesn't
I can do words good
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes word craft talent you acquired
 
i thought you meant i could freely edit CWs without bumping them :(
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing ok, just append a 1 at the front of everything
 
@StackMeter That still doesn't form a bijection, nor is that monotonous
 
5:27 PM
oh ok
 
watched / ignored tags breaking is really annoying for me :/ i watch all the bug/FR and status-review/planned/deferred tags and ignore the status-everything else tags to help me only see what's relevant and now everything's just the same :c
 
Well, just added ~50% of the questions to the FAQ :P
 
oh, i didn't do that when i added the faq tags to the previously proposed things, oops :/
 
5:57 PM
Should log_2 be rounded up or down for integers?
 
Truncated (so down)
 
I went with up, seems like it'd be more useful
 
Are integers and doubles distinct types?
 
It only has integers, it's more of a proof-of-concept language
 
why is up more useful?
 
6:04 PM
The number of bits needed to represent an integer
 
8 has 4 digits
 
Oh yeah :|
 
Round down + 1?
 
round down and +1
 
Down it is
 
6:05 PM
@hyper-neutrino :)
 
@Bubbler Could you add some of the common languages like JS or Python?
 
There was a bit of discussion about that already
Just found an undiscovered bug in an obscure command in the Ash interpreter since I'm copying over some code from it lol
 
I hate it when loops are shorter than $1 in $2
but especially when $2=sed
 
Unrelated, but here's another bad pickup line I found: Hey, are you my appendix? I don't know what you do or how you work but I feel like I should take you out.
 
take out, lol
I first read that as a threat
 
6:18 PM
Apr 27 at 12:59, by Redwolf Programs
Redwolf: What does 'take out' mean?
Lyxal: Food.
Razetime: Dating
caird: Murder
user: IT CAN MEAN ALL THREE IF YOU'RE NOT A COWARD.
@Wezl It is ;)
 
Any comment on the choice of users?
And I'm planning to build my own TIO like website but with more options and which supports PPL.
 
@ophact I 100% do not murder people. Not at all, no sir
 
What's PPL? Is it the thing that involved users as commands?
@ophact Blame Redwolf and the generator for that
 
@user It's that language I made. Remember that one? Where you can just mash together a bunch of tokens and it's valid syntax, and also the one which we argued over whether it's Turing-complete
 
Oh ok
Here's another cheesy pickup line
 
6:54 PM
do we allow input by insertion for languages that can take input?
 
the main point in allowing typically banned input methods is because we don't want to restrict languages from participating. input methods like these are usually banned to prevent exploiting certain mechanisms around it, which a language that can't even take input is highly unlikely to really be able to do
 
7:58 PM
@Bubbler Can you attach a debugger to an interpreter running server-side, and then use that to only execute one thing at a time?
Using jdb or something for the JVM would allow people to run a bunch of languages with JVM backends, even if performance would take a hit because of the debugger
TIL TIO has a Twitter account
 
8:38 PM
The title does not give away anything offensive: correctly-predict-thermodynamic-systems
Which is weird, most R/A flag-worthy posts don't have a (somewhat) ontopic title
 
Yeah, it's just an image. The question is VLQ without the image and then it's just straight up a porn screenshot. Wasn't caught by SD for that reason.
 

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