The Nineteenth Byte

12:00 AM

Though, since they disabled the badges for mods anyway, I guess that suggests it's not a big deal to give myself helpful flags :P

caird coinheringaahing

Can you not mark your own flags helpful?

hyper-neutrino

i can

but that gives me a ton of free helpful flags to my count

and I'm mostly using these flags to mark posts for me to do changes to later, rather than actually to indicate a problem to another mod or something

caird coinheringaahing

I think that so long as they are helpful flags (i.e. you'd mark them helpful if I flagged them as such), then its fine

hyper-neutrino

the thing is some of them just say "[status-declined]" xD but yeah I think ^ makes sense

New Posts

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Q: Simplify K combinatory logic expression

Background Combinatory logic is a system where a term is written using a finite set of combinators and function application between terms, and reduction rules are defined for each combinator. The well-known S and K combinators have the following reduction rules: $$ \begin{aligned} S\;x\;y\;z & \o...

user

12:05 AM

@hyper-neutrino How'd you do it so fast?

caird coinheringaahing

It took me a few hours to do my notes, then another few to raise the flags. From what hyper said, they just went through the list and raised a flag on each, which would be much quicker

Wezl

Jun 1 at 22:18, by hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing I have no life

user

Both of those make it make sense :P

hyper-neutrino

@user keep in mind that unlike you guys flagging, I don't have to really justify my flag

i expect y'all's flags to include an explanation, even if just "look at the answer", as to why your tag decision is correct, but i am the one who looked through the context to determine the right tag so future me can trust flags raised by myself without explanation

caird coinheringaahing

If I wanted to, I could probably raise a bunch of them as [status-whatever] and HN would trust me, but that feels cheap and I know I can raise actually useful flags :p

Mainly because flags are permanently recorded, and it helps provide an actual justification if/when I go back over my flags, or a mod decided to audit some

hyper-neutrino

12:09 AM

a lot of posts i considered in terms of "do i want to raise these to the community or push it up to the team" lol, so instead of justifying the flag type based on the existing answers/comments/other discussions i just think "oh i want team to see this and decide what to do so i'll just review"

@cairdcoinheringaahing TBH it would've been better for me to include some justification on mine too, just in case another mod wants to know why i picked a tag or it should be audited

but then again, they can contact me personally at any time anyway :P

there is one problem with using flags as a marker

i didn't realize we had flags on main because i got too used to seeing the blue thing there and just subconsciously ignored it

granted the flags are only half an hour old but still :P

caird coinheringaahing

Those should probably be handled :P

hyper-neutrino

they're just invalid answer flags, i'll get to that in a bit :p

pppery

Remember, of course, that there was once a time when flags took months to be handled

Bubbler

Yeah, we're living in a good time now

caird coinheringaahing

And when we had 100+ pending flags

Bubbler

12:18 AM

except in real life

5

pppery

... thus, there's no need to rush to handle flags in minutes

caird coinheringaahing

No, but so long as they're handled correctly, there's no reason to not handle them quickly

pppery

especially since (if you are talking about flags I raised), I found posts to flag by using SEDE to search for old "this answer is invalid" comments, so the underlying problems are years old

hyper-neutrino

oh, that's how you find so many invalid answers, lol

pppery

yes

I have a few other techniques, but that's what I've been doing most recently

Redwolf Programs

12:43 AM

Idea: Have the Guild of Reviewers bot detect comments formatted similarly to "Feedback please" under sandbox posts and post them in the room

This also lets new users request feedback without being able to talk in chat

And because it's tied to comments, abusing it can be caught by the same measures that prevent spamming comments

caird coinheringaahing

That's a good idea. We can add a notice to the Sandbox question once implemented

Redwolf Programs

I'm working on a section right now which discusses suggesting and receiving feedback, which is what gave me the idea :p

1. Finish chat bot library
2. Update NP/SP
3. Build guild bot

(^ My to-do list)

lyxal

Can you add new Elo method to that list?

Redwolf Programs

I want to, but until I get my new laptop that's not going to be possible :/

Same with Hunter-Gatherer

lyxal

Wanna see something nostalgic?

Redwolf Programs

12:57 AM

Added section to the sandbox post on giving and received feedback, feel free to make any edits y'all think would be appropriate.

user

@lyxal Stale memes?

lyxal

@user even better

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Demonstrate some advanced abstract algebra

lyxal

caird coinheringaahing

@OldSandboxPosts I feel called out

user

1:00 AM

Joke's on you, I never played pinball

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's your bot, tell it to shut up :P

caird coinheringaahing

@OldSandboxPosts Shut up, you're making me feel bad :P

lyxal

@lyxal if you don't know what this is, then you've never lived

user

~~I think, therefore I am~~ I don't know what this is, therefore I am not *disappears*

@lyxal What is it, if not pinball?

Redwolf Programs

It's a windows pinball game I think

user

Oh ok

lyxal

1:05 AM

@RedwolfPrograms correct

caird coinheringaahing

I very much dislike the fact that clicking anywhere outside the flag pop-up closes the popup :/

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Make 2048 Your challenge is to code a version of the game 2048. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2048_(video_game) The wiki page has more information on the game mechanics than I can put here. The game must take input from the arrow keys, each turn, and must output in a grid as such: NNNN NNNN NNNN ...

Wezl

time to spend another hour learning how to scrape youtube so I can watch lyxal's video without messing up my highly tuned yt recommendations (that I never actually use) because the invidious instance I use is down wow someone cares enough to read my complaints :/

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I very much dislike ~~the fact that c~~ licking anywhere ~~outside the flag pop-up closes the popup :/~~

@Wezl Why not use incognito?

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl incognito mode?

user

1:07 AM

Hi @Jeremy, welcome to TNB!

Redwolf Programs

I very much ~~dis~~ like ~~the fact that c~~ licking ~~outside the flag~~ pop up ~~close~~ s ~~the popup~~

user

You very much like licking s? Edit: Yeah, me too, leaves a bitter flavor in your mouth

Wezl

@user @cairdcoinheringaahing because youtube is slow and .... other reasons

Redwolf Programs

> I very much like licking pop ups

user

@Wezl If you don't mind my asking, is it a school-controlled Chromebook?

Wezl

1:09 AM

lickings ~= whippings :P

caird coinheringaahing

@user Jeremy hangs out here from time to time, there's no need to ping them :)

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms my cat detector beeped, but then edits :/

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh ok, I thought they were a new CGCC user

@cairdcoinheringaahing I can sense a speed of lobsters-y phrase here that'll net someone a lot of stars, but I can't find it :P

Redwolf Programs

The two instances of pop up let you spell something a bit...less tasty?

Wezl

@cairdcoinheringaahing same for the bounty pop-up :/

user

1:12 AM

I haven't tasted either, so I can't say which is tastier :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl Well, I flag a lot more than I bounty :P

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms >:|

user

@RedwolfPrograms I'm sure pups are tastier than popups, though, especially dog and (red) wolf pups >:)

caird coinheringaahing

Plus, if I flag something wrong, I just get a declined flag. If I bounty something wrong, I lose rep, so I triple check my bounties :P

pppery

You have 37K rep. Losing rep won't have any adverse affects other than a number going down, in the same way as getting a declined flag won't have any adverse affects other than a number going up.

hyper-neutrino

1:15 AM

if you do make some serious issue with bountying i think i'm authorized to cancel it for you lol. idk the policy on that

Redwolf Programs

Just don't start another one then forget to award that one too ;p

caird coinheringaahing

@pppery Yeah, I know. But it's a hassle if I say I'm awarding 200 rep, and I misclick to start either 500 or 100

hyper-neutrino

oh if you forget to award and it expires then rip

caird coinheringaahing

Besides, I like the number going up rather than down :P

hyper-neutrino

i asked, those refunds only happen in edge cases, if you forget then unfortunately you just lose the rep

caird coinheringaahing

1:18 AM

That only happens if there's no answers

Otherwise, half of it gets auto-awarded to (I think) the top voted answer

Speaking of me giving out bounties: for anyone who wants rep, I literally want to give these bounties away

hyper-neutrino

oh maybe. i forget what happened last time someone forgot a bounty

lyxal

@user ~~I very much di~~ s ~~like~~ t ~~he f~~ a ~~ct that clicking anywhe~~ r ~~e outside the flag~~ p ~~opup c~~ l o s ~~es the popup :/~~

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino status-completed. I now have 19 pending flags on Meta :P

Only 13 questions (by my searching) are applicable to help-center, but that's a lot more than a decent number of meta tags

hyper-neutrino

okay, thanks!

i wonder how many tag badges this is going to award

caird coinheringaahing

If they haven't been awarded by now, none. Tags need 100 questions to have a badge, and the closest is bug at 77

hyper-neutrino

1:28 AM

right, but tagging more things with status-completed might increase some people's score enough to get it

highly doubt though

caird coinheringaahing

status-declined has 23, so unless you have 77 status-declined tags lined up, I doubt any badges will be awarded

@hyper-neutrino No one has 20 answers in it

You'd have to tag 8 questions that Doorknob has answered for him to get it

hyper-neutrino

ah. and i don't think i have that many things to complete

most things from this round are declined

i only have 48 new posts to decline

caird coinheringaahing

> only

hyper-neutrino

well compared to the needed 77 :P

which questions will need rebumping? i will probably do the edits later tonight

caird coinheringaahing

2:09 AM

@hyper-neutrino Sandbox, bounties, Red LotM, this and this

The LotM nominations might be worth rebumping again

hyper-neutrino

okay, thanks

Redwolf Programs

3:34 AM

How do sheep play violins...Duolingo won't tell me

lyxal

4:00 AM

@RedwolfPrograms This is an old joke. The joke is that a sheep in a symphony orchestra will crowd the stage with its neighbors and clop around and do herding tricks. It is a joke because of its implausibility.

@RedwolfPrograms alternatively, They have their violin lessons from a cello teacher.

Here's another fun joke: Why do you never see a bull in a karate movie?

-Because every time he tries to kick, the horse would knock him out.

Redwolf Programs

GPT? :p

lyxal