The Nineteenth Byte

Wasif

17:00

@rak1507 why

rak1507

mine is 4428÷36

hyper-neutrino

or i guess you can consider both but then if we want to get technical it would make more sense to count votes for everything because caps will make the count inaccurate

rak1507

@Wasif mine is, because it is a whole number

Razetime

@hyper-neutrino 20.5060852

rak1507

123.0

hyper-neutrino

17:00

wait how is yours so high lol, bounties?

rak1507

yep

user

How do y'all have such high average reps?

Redwolf Programs

Mine's high from questions

Wasif

@user bounties are our (open) secrets

Redwolf Programs

Ignoring answers mine's probably closer to 100 or 150

hyper-neutrino

17:01

mine is 40.24, 42 without considering bounties

user

@Wasif Oh, makes sense. I only have a +50 net gain from bounties :(

Razetime

@hyper-neutrino few answers, most of them bountied

hyper-neutrino

i have a net loss of 1400 from bounties so factoring them out it's 41.95

Unrelated String

wow

Wasif

CMQ: your whole network rep/answer ratio?

rak1507

17:02

I also don't answer a lot of old questions, so rarely get 0/1 score

Razetime

most answers get zero so the more answers you have it probably brigs down the average

Unrelated String

@Wasif counting association bonus? :P

user

I have 42.9 not counting awarded bounties, which isn't a ton better

Wasif

@UnrelatedString yes

rak1507

@Razetime I don't have a single 0 :P

hyper-neutrino

17:02

network-wide answers?

i have a bunch of zero-voted posts that probably nobody saw which definitely brings down my average :P

Wasif

@Razetime 972 answers is really great, you might be the second top answerer here

I wanna break that record

Razetime

good luck

rak1507

Quality over quantity :)

Razetime

I think the highest is Shaggy?

Redwolf Programs

My next question or answer will be my hundredth code-golf post

hyper-neutrino

17:03

i only have 719 answers lol

user

@rak1507 idk about others, but Razetime's are usually pretty high quality

Unrelated String

41 answers with 0 score here

rak1507

I only have 36 answers

hyper-neutrino

i have like 4 whole pages of answers with 0 score

Unrelated String

out of 398

rak1507

17:04

@user yeah, I know, I'm just kidding, his answers are very good

user

I have 299 answers, I need just one more

Unrelated String

@hyper-neutrino wow

Wasif

I have nearly 20 pages of 0 score answers in SO :-(

rak1507

that would kill my soul

hyper-neutrino

because i answer old questions that aren't too interesting a good amount, and usually very late (in america/europe time)

user

17:05

The trick is to answer an old question, then edit it every day for two months until people see your answer. You can also create sockpuppets to upvote and/or flag, so mods will see it and upvote it (/s, obviously)

Razetime

I answer old questions for the express purpose of bringing down 05AB1E's rating

7

hyper-neutrino

i have no negative score (undeleted) posts

StackMeter

@Wasif The next updoot factoid will be when I reach the holy K, and it will hopefully be about more Python

user

@Razetime ~~You should post bad answers in Jelly so that Husk wins~~

Redwolf Programs

Ugh my koth controller is on my other laptop...the broken one

Razetime

17:06

lmao

rak1507

oh no

StackMeter

@hyper-neutrino Given 776 rep, minus 250 from bounties, we get 526

I have 33 answers

Wasif

oh no sorry i have 28 pages of zero score answers

Redwolf Programs

It works!!!!!!

It works!

YEEESSSSSS!!!!!

hyper-neutrino

poggers

Wasif

17:07

@RedwolfPrograms what works

user

@Wasif It.

Redwolf Programs

Stupid sky with all its sky water

StackMeter

Therefore 526/33 avg. post rep

Redwolf Programs

breaking my stuff

StackMeter

which is 16

Razetime

17:08

@user this will not work because caird will suggest a golf to halve the bytecount in 5 secs

user

@RedwolfPrograms Next time you're in such a situation, chant the magic words "Rain, rain, go away, come again another day, if you do, I'll give you ten bucks"

hyper-neutrino

you could buy an umbrella for less

user

@Razetime Don't accept it then

rak1507

or you could just cover your entire body in thick layers of oil

8

Razetime

that's not how it works :P

user

17:09

@hyper-neutrino Where's the fun in that?

Razetime

@rak1507 fly

Redwolf Programs

I actually have a rain jacket in my backpack but I was too stubborn to wear it

hyper-neutrino

brilliant

rak1507

lol

really? that got 6 stars? you people are weird

StackMeter

have you heard of deez

Razetime

17:10

memes always get starred

@StackMeter blocked

user

@StackMeter That's exactly why rak posted that

Wasif

i dont entirely understand the process behind stars

11

user

@Wasif No one does, people are weird ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Razetime

@Wasif you just click the star

that is the process

StackMeter

oh come on

Wasif

17:10

aha you guys would give me outspoken soon

StackMeter

it's not even deez nuts this time

user

You see this message of mine? Go to the right side and hover. You'll see three symbols, a flag, a star, and an arrow thingy. Click the star.

Redwolf Programs

or the flag

rak1507

no

ngn

@user that's not how it works. now watch this:

Unrelated String

17:11

StackMeter

I swear, my messages get 0 stars

ngn

don't star this message

Unrelated String

I'd forgotten what it was like to be able to see deleted posts

hyper-neutrino

@UnrelatedString is that post deleted?

rak1507

@ngn ok :)

ngn

17:12

didn't work :)

hyper-neutrino

@ngn challenge accepted

StackMeter

We are at .01 stars/post

Unrelated String

@hyper-neutrino hard to say

Wasif

@ngn how did you know Unrelated would post the image

rak1507

your reverse psychology won't work on me!

user

17:12

@ngn TNB's too obedient :P

hyper-neutrino

alternative theory: redwolf is clearing the stars too fast so even before someone's starred it their star gets removed

6

Redwolf Programs

The one time TNB does what we're supposed to

user

@RedwolfPrograms Wait, what are we supposed to do?

Wasif

@hyper-neutrino you are really speed

Redwolf Programs

@user Not star ngn's message

user

17:13

I thought this was just a place for people to talk about food, star stupid stuff, and spam

Redwolf Programs

Redwolf Programs has changed this room's topic to: a place for people to talk about food, star stupid stuff, and spam

user

room topic changed to The Nineteenth Bar: a place for people to talk about food, star stupid stuff, and spam

Oh, I forgot - we also rickroll and hate on SQL, JS, and Java

Redwolf Programs

I'm surprised we get so little spam about actual golf

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino 39.5 including deleted posts, 44.9 not including deleted posts

StackMeter

Yep

16 here

user

17:16

Golf

Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit balls into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible. Golf, unlike most ball games, cannot and does not utilize a standardized playing area, and coping with the varied terrains encountered on different courses is a key part of the game. The game at the usual level is played on a course with an arranged progression of 18 holes, though recreational courses can be smaller, often having nine holes. Each hole on the course must contain a teeing ground to start from, and a putting green containing the actual hole...

hyper-neutrino

ah, nice

Wasif

@user we hate JS?

StackMeter

Actually 15 31/33

Redwolf Programs

@Wasif I halfway don't

user

@Wasif You better hate JS. Otherwise, you're no better than Redwolf

StackMeter

17:16

But I need to make myself feel slightly better without rickrolling someone

caird coinheringaahing

@Wasif You know Neil has >4000 answers?

Wasif

@cairdcoinheringaahing no oO

caird coinheringaahing

Shaggy has 1000+ Japt answers

user

Shaggy's a Rockstar developer :P

Wasif

Japt is nearly dead now isn't it

Razetime

17:18

japt has etheryte? I guess?

and AZTECCO

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString 178 zero score posts

Razetime

and Shaggy still posting

Unrelated String

whew

Razetime

so japt is far from dead

user

I think Shaggy's less active recently

Wasif

17:18

is Japt full ASCII? or it has unicode

Razetime

Japt is very unicode

Wasif

but it has lack of builtins?

Razetime

nope not at all

it is well endowed

caird coinheringaahing

@Razetime -67 bytes: caird will golf it

Redwolf Programs

@Razetime um

Razetime

17:19

@cairdcoinheringaahing loses the specificity

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString Congrats on 10k btw!

Unrelated String

thanks

user

Every message on the starboard (other than mine) has 4+ stars. Someone might think they were very high quality if they didn't look too closely

caird coinheringaahing

@user Let me just fix that

hyper-neutrino

high quality? in TNB?

user

17:22

All of them except for the pinned message were just starred because they're funny :)

Redwolf Programs

caird coinheringaahing

:P

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks, now it's time to star that CMC :P

Wasif

what CMC

rak1507

oh I forgot about makonede's cmc to make a quine in his language, I was going to do that today but I forgot, darn

Redwolf Programs

17:23

I don't entirely understand the process behind stars, or you could just c o v e r y o u r e n t i r e b o d y w i t h o i l

rak1507

I will probably do it tomorrow

user

pxeger

@rak1507 2. wait for it to rain

Wasif

@rak1507 i again forgot the pronounciation of the language

does anyone remember

rak1507

@Wasif I forgot what the language is even called

duo....something....hexadecimal

user

17:24

@Wasif Adám's CMC about the shortest acronym that Wikipedia has an article for

Wasif

something like Duocent...

hyper-neutrino

duocentehexa something

rak1507

oh it doesn't even end hexadecimal

Redwolf Programs

duocentehexaquinquagesimal?

Wasif

@RedwolfPrograms yes!!!

rak1507

17:25

I call it 'base 256 bf'

Wasif

the pronounciation

@RedwolfPrograms i bet makonede starred the messages

caird coinheringaahing

I call it "Makonede's 05AB1E" :P

Wasif

it is mix of 4 langs: Brainfuck+05AB1E+Unary+Golunar wow

rak1507

@Wasif seen 6m ago so I don't think so

Redwolf Programs

@Wasif More like a tree

rak1507

17:26

@Wasif I wouldn't say it's a 'mix' of those langs

Redwolf Programs

Brainfuck -> Unary -> Golunar -> Duocentehexaquinquagesimal <- 05AB1E

rak1507

golunar is base 10 bf, duocentehexaquinquagesimal is base 256 bf that happens to use osabie's codepage

pxeger

Why were there no new questions for over 2 years after the first one on the site was posted? Was the oldest one migrated at some point? codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions?tab=newest&page=818

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger It got migrated

Wasif

@pxeger who knows

hyper-neutrino

17:27

one could consider it a triple derivative of brainfuck but it doesn't really need to be

caird coinheringaahing

We went into private beta on 23rd Feb 2011, that was a SO question that go migrated in like 2013

hyper-neutrino

unary is base 1 encoded BF, golunar is just base 10 BF so it doesn't need to be considered a unary derivative, and duocente can just be a direct derivative

Wasif

I wonder what could be after Duocentehexaquinquagesimal or is it the end (not counting 05AB1E)

rak1507

@hyper-neutrino I would say unary, golunar, and duocentehexaquinquagesimal are all bf derivatives, not derivatives of each other

hyper-neutrino

agreed. even though the creation order was unary > golunar > duocente

rak1507

17:28

@Wasif pretty much the end

Redwolf Programs

I think they were inspired by each other in that order

caird coinheringaahing

@Wasif Stax style compression

rak1507

maybe

hyper-neutrino

although the wiki written by makonede says it's a triple-derivative

rak1507

true

well, whatever

semantics :P

Wasif

17:29

we would call it StaxFuck

hyper-neutrino

the official interpreter calls on /opt/brainfuck/brainfuck though, not golunar

Razetime

more like base94fuck

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Take a look at the revision history

Unrelated String

i feel like good bf compression would 1. incorporate rle and 2. not be capable of expanding to programs that are either illegal or contain obvious redundancy

er, no-ops

rather

Wasif

bye i am feeling sleepy

Razetime

17:30

@UnrelatedString huffman coding may be suitable?

rak1507

@Wasif goodnight

hyper-neutrino

being able to compress patterns would also be nice. but yes, RLE is definitely something that should be included

Redwolf Programs

Huffman coding with some extra stuff to prevent redundant stuff would be nice

Unrelated String

yeah

hyper-neutrino

+x[>+y<-] could be encoded since it's probably very common

Redwolf Programs

17:31

Maybe RLE for +s and -s only

ngn

huffman coding is optimal only if you encode symbol by symbol

Redwolf Programs

Or < and > too I guess

rak1507

CMC: enumerate all valid bf programs

hyper-neutrino

maybe > and < too

pxeger

Huffman coding, given there are only 6 instructions, might not be very effective compared to just 3-bit packing

rak1507

17:31

(actually, this would be a decent main challenge)

so don't answer it!

Unrelated String

also compress [] in a way that can't result in unmatched braces

ngn

arithmetic coding is better in general

Redwolf Programs

@pxeger Huffman coding with groups of characters

pxeger

@hyper-neutrino at that point you've just got a dedicated multiplication instruction and it's no longer BF though

hyper-neutrino

define vaild; just balanced []?

pxeger

17:32

@RedwolfPrograms I suppose that works

hyper-neutrino

@pxeger well true

rak1507

hmm idk maybe that wouldn't be particularly interesting

Unrelated String

yeah

rak1507

in that case, go ahead :P

user

@rak1507 Easy - generate all strings, run them as bf programs in different universes, time travel to the end of the universe, and see which ones halted :P

Razetime

17:33

@rak1507 this sounds very suitable for husk

rak1507

maybe a more interesting challenge would be to golf a bijection between the natural numbers and all valid brainfuck programs

@user who says all valid programs halt?

user

@rak1507 Ooh, that sounds cool

@rak1507 Oh, that's even easier then

rak1507

and preferably to do it in a way that means it doesn't just compute all of them and index

user

You can just destroy this universe so no one has to be worried about bf or code golf

rak1507

so you could say 'what's the 209347207539th bf program' and it could spit it out

Redwolf Programs

17:34

@user Working on it

rak1507

and then that can be a slightly golfier version of unary, golunar, duowhatever...

Redwolf Programs

duocentehexaquinquagesimal?

user

@RedwolfPrograms Evacuates universe

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms indeed

hyper-neutrino

metaBFscript

Redwolf Programs

17:34

That's a fun word to type

rak1507

hahaha

caird coinheringaahing

17:46

→ 2 messages moved to Indonesian Gambling Spam

Redwolf Programs

Dang, you beat me by half a second

I was going to move it to trash though lol

hyper-neutrino

fun fact: if you try to move messages that are already moved, it just silently does nothing

i was going to mod trash it

we all had different ideas :p

caird coinheringaahing

i am speed :P

Redwolf Programs

I am busy :p

rak1507

lmao

@StackMeter thanks for sharing

hyper-neutrino

17:47

i hesitated too long on whether to nuke, delete, IGS, normal trash, or mod trash it

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino So many options!

StackMeter

I feel personally attacked out here

caird coinheringaahing

I'm hesitating on kicking Stack or not, but I think I'll leave it this time

Redwolf Programs

@StackMeter I don't know what you expected

StackMeter

with the fact I was demoted to Indonesian Gambling Spam

Redwolf Programs

17:48

IGS is our trash room

caird coinheringaahing

@StackMeter Don't post inappropriate messages and then turn around and claim to be "attacked" because we trashed them

StackMeter

Sorry

hyper-neutrino

Anyway, @StackMeter, please familiarize yourself with the chatiquette. Specifically, "Don't use The Nineteenth Byte as a dumping ground for your thoughts or actions. Consider whether a topic would be relevant to others before talking about it. We're here to have discussions, not to listen to someone's stream of consciousness." and besides, it's inappropriate for SE anyway.

StackMeter

Sorry

I won't do it again

Redwolf Programs

PSA: --array.length is valid JS

StackMeter

17:51

Just don't kick me

hyper-neutrino

Getting kick-muted isn't too big of a deal anyway, just FWIW. If you repeatedly get kicked the time will stack up but it's just 30 seconds IIRC and it's just a warning.

user

@RedwolfPrograms What does it do? Remove the last element or just return array.length - 1?

Redwolf Programs

Don't think it was necessarily kick worthy, just...don't do it again :p

StackMeter

@RedwolfPrograms didn't we say we hate JS here

hyper-neutrino

Besides, asking to not get kicked will not affect whether or not you get kicked :P I decided to neither nuke it nor kick you because I didn't think it was that serious to warrant more than just a verbal (textual?) warning.

Redwolf Programs

17:52

@user It removes the last item of the array and returns the new length

hyper-neutrino

does it actually remove the item or just reduce the length so loops won't hit the last item

user

Very nice

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino Removes it

hyper-neutrino

that's interesting lol

Unrelated String

and if it seems to remove the last item for more purposes, does it magically come back if you increment the length

Redwolf Programs

17:54

No

> (5) [0, 1, 2, 3, empty]

Unrelated String

forgot that js lets arrays have empty elements

that aren't null or undefined

Redwolf Programs

JS's arrays are beyond wack

user

Probably because you can set negative elements and stuff

Unrelated String

it's a third thing

also you can set fractional elements

Redwolf Programs

Arrays are basically just objects

hyper-neutrino

17:55

you can do a = []; a[0] = 1; a[1000] = 1; which is pretty cool

user

@UnrelatedString o.O How?

Redwolf Programs

With extra steps

hyper-neutrino

the other stuff like negative indices and fractional elements are........... more silly than cool

Unrelated String

^

Redwolf Programs

array[0.5] = 1

It's actually array["0.5"] = 1 I think, not sure

Unrelated String

17:56

iirc if you have an array [1, 2] and set the element at .5 to 3 it still just displays as [1,2]

pretty sure it works with actual floats

user

@RedwolfPrograms This looks like it came out of Harry Potter

Unrelated String

maybe they're strings under the hood

because it's js, why wouldn't they be

user

I thought they were Symbols

hyper-neutrino

plot twist: everything in JS is strings under the hood

user

@hyper-neutrino 10 out of 10 string theorists agree :P

Redwolf Programs

17:57

It's not symbols

StackMeter

Ok

Fractional indices aren't for computing

Redwolf Programs

TBF they aren't even really indices

It's more like properties

StackMeter

Nor this world

Redwolf Programs

Like .map

I think technically JS's array indices are all strings

ngn

> Array.prototype[123]=456
456
> [][123]
456

Redwolf Programs

18:00

They most like are not stored that way (strings) by any sane browser though

user

@ngn Isn't monkey patching great?

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms there's no such thing as a sane browser, they are all cursed abominations that commit unspeakable crimes

ngn

@user it's great for monkeys :)

user

@rak1507 What about Vivaldi?

Redwolf Programs

If you have a damaged monkey, patching it is often better than the alternative

user

18:03

I hate to ask, but what's the alternative?

rak1507

@user still chromium based

@user turning it into monkey pie

Redwolf Programs

^

user

I did not need that image in my head

@rak1507 What about Firefox?

Redwolf Programs

SpiderMonkey pie

user

If you like monkey pie, you may like this (Warning: monkey brains)

rak1507

18:06

@user firefox probably does a bunch of weird stuff too :P

running JS at all automatically makes you bad

user

Sorry about the image being up there btw, don't know how to immediately un-onebox it

hyper-neutrino

upload it manually

StackMeter

@RedwolfPrograms where did the monkey come from

user

@rak1507 Then there's no hope for anyone unless all browsers somehow switch to using some other language instead

@hyper-neutrino Does that let you edit it before uploading?

rak1507

@user true

hyper-neutrino

18:07

i meant upload it to imgur manually

rak1507

hope was lost a long time ago

StackMeter

@rak1507 Thank God my JS don't run correctly

hyper-neutrino

and then just use the link from that

user

Oh, I'll try that next time

Redwolf Programs

I just start to draft an answer, upload an image, copy the link, and discard the draft

hyper-neutrino

18:08

that works too

user

That sounds like a lot of work :( I think I'll go with HN's solution

Redwolf Programs

Uploading to imgur is what sounds like a lot of work

user

For a second there I was afraid You Know Who was back

Redwolf Programs

Wait wrong tab

Ignore that

Used TNB as a pastebin lol

ngn

18:25

cmp: how would you describe the geometric loci x^2 + y^2 = r^2 and x^2 + y^2 <= r^2 in english?

user

Outline of circle of radius r, shaded circle of radius r?

StackMeter

@ngn The first is a circle and the second is a circle filled in

caird coinheringaahing

@ngn A circle, filled in

ngn

@user @StackMeter @cairdcoinheringaahing interesting. i would use similar words too (in english), but: "in strict technical usage, the circle is only the boundary and the whole figure is called a disc" -W

StackMeter

The real question is what would $\x^2 + y^2 > r^2$\ look like

caird coinheringaahing

18:31

A plane with a disc cut out

user

StackMeter

@user what's the red

Is it a LaTeX feature

hyper-neutrino

it means the control sequence \x is not defined

ngn

@ngn here i used the wrong word ("circumference") to describe the curve (not its length)

@StackMeter shouldn't the backslashes be before the dollars?

user

ChatJax (or whatever userscript I'm using) lets you use a single dollar sign (or two dollar signs if you don't want it inline)

Wzl

18:44

@RedwolfPrograms I'm just as surprised we get so little spam about code golf :P

StackMeter

ok

\$x^2 + y^2 >= r^2\$

Redwolf Programs

Finished terrain generation for hunter-gatherer!

Well, aside from lakes

Wzl

does it have cats?

Redwolf Programs

Do you want cats to be hunted and/or gathered?

I didn't think so.

Wzl

gathered

or does that mean they'll get eaten or made into armor?

Redwolf Programs

18:54

Both, potentially

ngn

cats should be hunting, not hunted :)

Wzl

then definitely gathered

StackMeter

@RedwolfPrograms yeah, I need a companion at somepoint

Wzl

cat armor is much more effective if the cats are alive

Redwolf Programs

I'm going with lakes rather than rivers as they're easier to make look good

And they fulfill about the same strategic purpose

Wzl

18:57

~~you should totally drop that and add jQuery instead~~

caird coinheringaahing

what would the terrain of jquery look like?

Wzl

like the surface of a waffle

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