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7:00 PM
It basically just squares n while it's less than m, then decrements it to m
 
@ngn every misfeature of your language is a feature request for your IDE :shrug:
 
I've heard good things about caret but it's missing a lot of features I need :/
 
Have you tried parsnips?
 
Is that a text editor or are we talking about root vegetables
 
You might like them, although I much prefer carrots
 
7:07 PM
Guess it's the latter
 
@RedwolfPrograms idk if it's a text editor, I was talking about the vegetable :P
 
they're a good replacement for bacon :D
 
I tend to think about food when I'm hungry
@Wezl Nothing can replace the glorious taste of bacon
 
tofu tofu tofu tofu tofu don't flag me tofu
 
(I haven't actually had parsnips, though, so I don't know)
@Wezl Tofu can't replace bacon. It just doesn't have the right texture
 
7:09 PM
fried butter fried butter don't flag me fried butter
 
Some things just can't be substituted, and I feel bacon's one of them
 
yeah it's right down with migraines
 
@RedwolfPrograms when "works without an internet connection" is a "feature", you might not have written a very good product
 
Quite a lot of things on Chrome OS require internet, because quite a lot of things on Chrome OS require a browser :p
 
oh it's designed specifically for ChromeOS I see
ninja'd lol
 
7:12 PM
@Wezl lol
 
@RedwolfPrograms I really feel like you should just use a normal laptop given all of these problems you have
 
Chrome OS >> Other OSes for daily stuff
 
How about carrying both laptops? Or use remote desktop or whatever to use a proper PC for that stuff?
 
Chrome os is... survivable
 
Survivable != Satisfying
 
7:15 PM
Chrome OS is great
 
Survivable != anywhere near good
 
I guess you might get used to it after a while, but it sounds really inconvenient if you don't have an internet connection
 
It's fast (because it's mainly good at one thing), and it's secure (because it mainly only needs to do one thing)
 
How am I supposed to check my emails while driving?
 
And it's the same as any other laptop when you don't have internet
 
7:16 PM
one thing: run proprietary browsers
 
@Wezl Linux VM
 
@Wezl yeah that's my main problem
 
that's not what I want to do, so it's not for me
2
 
ngn
@RedwolfPrograms "secure" is mutually exclusive with "requires internet"
 
@RedwolfPrograms why not just linux then!?
 
7:16 PM
@ngn Not really
 
It's not just the whole Google thing - a lot of apps don't seem to work on Chromebooks
 
It can't run executables directly
 
@ngn Not necessarily, especially since people mostly devote their time to writing malware for Windows :P
 
@user It's not good for some things, but it's really good for a few specific or more general use cases and that's what I need it for
 
Fair enough
 
ngn
7:17 PM
@user all hardware since ~2008 is backdoored. os doesn't matter.
 
I may be biased against Chromebooks because of how bad the ones at school were/are
@ngn :(
 
@Wezl Faster, less worries about hardware not working, more secure
Cheaper too
 
@RedwolfPrograms ???
 
To get a Windows/Mac/Linux laptop that's as fast as a Chromebook you'd have to pay multiple times more
When you mainly only need to run one app you can afford to optimize it a ton
 
3 mins ago, by Wezl
that's not what I want to do, so it's not for me
 
7:20 PM
It's definitely not for everyone, yeah
I won't argue with that
 
@user lol
 
@StackMeter That's not particularly star-worthy
 
But I don't particularly mind Google, and I mostly just do programming (and online things), so it does everything I need other than Minecraft
 
Bit of an aside: What's a good Linux distro for a longtime Windows user?
 
7:22 PM
I installed Ubuntu Budgie on an old laptop but it's running a bit slowly
 
KDE Neon
 
ngn
try freebsd :)
 
@user take my star anyway
 
@user Or, TBH, go cold-turkey with Arch and a minimalist WM. You'll learn a lot
 
7:22 PM
@StackMeter I can't
What's so bad about freebsd and Gentoo?
@pxeger Uh, I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet
 
Do you like working computers?
 
also, it makes the most recent two starred posts look way too out-of-context funny
 
It's really not as hard as it's made out to be
 
I already messed stuff up just installing Lubuntu
 
ngn
@user i meant "try freebsd" in a good sense. it's great!
 
7:23 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Kinda, as long as it isn't too complicated
 
anyone know how to get absolute value of 1+I to be sqrt(2) in sympy? sympy.Abs(1+1*I) is giving me the decimal approximation
 
Then don't install those :p
 
@ngn Oh ok, the :) made me think it was sarcasm. I'll be sure to try that out too
 
I can hardly get Arch working reasonably well
 
@user FreeBSD is a pain for desktop use because it's similar enough to Linux that you think things will work, but different enough that nothing actually does
 
7:24 PM
lol
 
I've only tried relatively bad linux distros :/
 
@RedwolfPrograms I don't want to be that guy, but can I help you with that?
 
@hyper-neutrino if you need sqrt(2), 2**0.5 is several bytes shorter
 
No, I like my current setup with ubuntu :p
Not as good as Chrome though
 
@StackMeter i meant specifically if there's a function to get absolute value of complex numbers precisely
need it for a golfing language
 
7:27 PM
I like Arch because it's all latest versions so there are very few distro-specific patches for backwards compatibility and everything works exactly as it's documented
 
yes
 
@hyper-neutrino Is there a separate "modulus" function rather than "absolute value"? Or a conversion to polar coordinates? If not, just use Pythagoras
 
If it's got rolling releases, how does everything work properly? I thought there were lots of bugs
 
assuming it's a + bi, sqrt(a^2+b^2)
 
Chrome OS isn't for everyone, but it's seriously underrated (and it wasn't really usable until a year or two ago, which doesn't help that)
 
7:28 PM
so (a**2 + b**2)**0.5
 
actually i think i can assume everything is either a string or a number. i believe those are the only two types my functions will need to handle
 
you can always store complex numbers as a 2-tuple
 
oh there's a .as_real_imag() function lol. nice
 
On newer Chromebooks you can download Android apps which seriously helps compatibility
 
@user there are more bugs in an absolute sense, because it's newer software, but everything is a lot more guaranteed to interact correctly because there's no monkey-patching
For example, I had way too many issues with sound just breaking with every kernel update until a reboot on Ubuntu, and there was no solution
 
7:30 PM
Oh ok
 
I had a ton of sound issues on 18.04
But 20.04 seems to be much better about that
Don't know if it's just luck or if there's been improvements there
 
Imagine using the sound on your computer
This post made by mute all tabs and read the subtitles gang
 
^ + ^^
 
20.04 being a bit late is exactly what made me switch to Arch. I needed to reinstall right around April 2020, and 2004 wasn't quite out yet, so I thought I'd distro-hop, only to find that Arch was more or less perfect
 
@Wezl so ^^^
 
ngn
7:33 PM
arch is a slippery slope to gentoo
 
@StackMeter no, + should not be used for concatenation >:/
 
The only real issue I've every had with Arch was trying to set up full disk encryption
 
well it's concat or addition
what, is it &"
 
@ngn It's a slope, but it's definitely not slippery. It's more like sandpaper
 
Imagine having anything worth encrypting lol
 
7:34 PM
@StackMeter concatenation isn't commutative, so use of + is Officially Illegal™
 
@StackMeter but I think it shouldn't. It ruins commutativity
 
I keep all my passwords in a plaintext file because I can't protect files on Windows
@Wezl Haskell uses ++ for this reason, I think
 
which is a good choice (except it's infix >:)
 
ngn
@pxeger "i'm just gonna compile this one package from source" (2 weeks later) "i'm in the middle of compiling xfce"
 
when using + as addition
 
7:35 PM
I don't like how ugly all of the WMs and desktop managers and stuff are by default
 
it is commutative
and both addition and concatenation are associative
 
Meh, the slickness of a UI shouldn't matter much as long as they're doing their job
 
I care more about the appearance than anything else
 
@StackMeter Concatenation isn't commutative, though
 
and that includes functionality
 
7:36 PM
@RedwolfPrograms yeah, that's a point. I use KDE + gruvbox + Papirus icons and it's great. But it's not pretty by default
 
@StackMeter no, it's append/3
 
@RedwolfPrograms I do too, more than I should. I wouldn't admit this to people irl but I don't care if y'all judge me :P
 
KDE seriously breaks stuff when I try to shut off my laptop :/
 
Use glue. I like Gorilla Super Glue personally
 
@RedwolfPrograms oh, one does not simply use power management in KDE ;)
 
7:38 PM
Oh, that's normal?
 
@user meh, they're strings so you can just tie them
 
CMC: Something somewhat like concat but commutative
 
ngn
catcon
 
@RedwolfPrograms I think that's KDE's biggest weakness, yeah
@RedwolfPrograms set union, or multiset addition
 
@RedwolfPrograms maybe interleave?
 
7:39 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Scala: _+_ sort (requires Scala 2.12 or postfix operators enabled)
 
@Wezl that's not commutative
 
^
 
interleave centered then
 
sort + concat :P ez
 
generalized merge: loop pop whichever first character is alphabetically earlier and append it to the result
 
7:40 PM
@hyper-neutrino Ninja'd :P (I did it the opposite way, but whatever)
 
@Wezl like a b c d e & f g h => a f b g c g d h e
 
sort + concat or concat + sort both work. i can't read scala so i missed what you wrote lmao
(ninja'd again!)
 
@Wezl What's f g h and a b c d e though?
 
@hyper-neutrino The real question is whether or not the + you used is commutative
 
Or what about a b c d & e f g h vs e f g h & a b c d
 
7:41 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Characters
 
true :(
 
@user very much not so but i'm too lazy to go find and copy-paste the compose operator
 
The easiest solution here is (a, b) => "blahblahblah"
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@hyper-neutrino ⍤
 
ok but that's no longer "somewhat like concat" :P
 
@user Ah yes. Cuncotenaashun
 
7:42 PM
Define "somewhat" :P
 
> to a moderate extent or by a moderate amount
:p
 
CMC: Implement an operator @ such that, for integers a,b,c: a@b = a+b, b@a != a+b, a@(b@c) = a+b+c, (a@b)@c != a+b+c
I.e. remove associativity and commutativity from +
 
I don't understand?
 
Same
Why did I put that in code lol
 
ngn
@cairdcoinheringaahing should "!=" always hold or is it enough to have counterexamples of "=="?
 
7:44 PM
If 1@2=1+2=3 and 2@1=2+1=3, then how is 2@1!=1@2?
 
so basically you just want a non-associative non-commutative binary operator
 
@ngn Preferably the first, but the latter is also ok
 
like exponentation :P
 
Or subtraction
 
@user That's for you to implement
1@2 = 3, but 2@1 != 3
 
7:46 PM
oh yeah subtraction too. forgot that wasn't either lol
 
Wait so is @ only defined for 3 specific integers?
 
ngn
but + on integers is commutative, so we have a@b = a+b = b+a = b@a
 
Would 3@4 be 7, or 4@3 be 7?
 
I read that as any 3 integers a, b, c
 
Yes, any 3 integers
 
7:46 PM
Then this is impossible (afaict)
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing What was your solution?
 
I didn't have one, I'm playing around with the idea
 
ay i got 106.8% on my math final :P
 
7:47 PM
I think that, in the context of a programming function where it's non-pure, it's possible
@hyper-neutrino How?
 
Unless you somehow restrict a and b to non-overlapping ranges, I don't see how @ could be done
 
My high school math final's aweek from now
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Oh, are you supposed to remember a and b and then misbehave the next time they're fed back in?
@cairdcoinheringaahing Using the power of math, of course :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing i aced the main part and got 5/6 on the bonus :P
 
@user Potentially. It's obviously not possible using pure functions, as @ngn pointed out, but I think it is through something like that
 
7:49 PM
That makes much more sense
 
@RedwolfPrograms oh good luck; not that you'll need it i assume :P
 
@hyper-neutrino Your finals include "bonuses"?
 
ngn
@cairdcoinheringaahing hyperreal numbers lose more properties the further you get, so if you allow extensions to the ring of integers, it might get more interesting
 
apparently. but the mark gets truncated before being included in the average so it doesn't actually matter :(
 
@RedwolfPrograms Schools in Texas have finals?
 
7:49 PM
@ngn Yeah, it's already the case for a,b,c being octonions IIRC
 
@user No, but this class does because it's also for college credit
(But only for one school that I won't be going to)
 
octonions: when you combine an octopus and an onion
@RedwolfPrograms Oh ok
 
I've always wondered how, in Harry Potter, Hermione get's like 127% on tests
 
@user Sounds like it'd taste really good actually
 
@hyper-neutrino Not as good as the time 109% on my maths exam
 
7:50 PM
@user Add in some more things and that's calamari
"some more things" aka "batter"
 
^ That does look kinda nice
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing You actually get like 95%, but then it's adjusted up because you answered questions you weren't supposed to know how to do yet
 
I'm so confused
 
fortunately none of my courses (AFAICT) curve grades. so what i get is actually what i get
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Hi so confused, I'm Dad
 
7:52 PM
lol AP human geography at my school is so hard they have to curve it or the whole class would fail except for two or three people
 
Literally every test I've ever taken has been: here are n questions. Each question is worth however many marks. If you get all the marks, you get 100%. Otherwise, you get less than 100%
 
I've had some teachers that add bonus questions
Doesn't seem that unusual
 
Those have always just been part of the exam for me
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing let's say the exam contains 10 questions, and 1 of them was on a topic that hadn't been covered so they expect you to get that wrong. So most people get between 1-9 marks, and then the teacher adjusts all the grades by 10/9≈1.11. But let's say I actually knew how to do the 10th question, and got it right, so my score becomes 100% -> 111%
 
Curving grades has always seemed to be a bad way of dealing with your poor teaching to me. Like, maybe instead of changing the grades, you should make your course more doable?
 
7:53 PM
I've taken tests where there were "bonus questions," but they're mainly stuff like "Prove the superiority of people who walk fast" and you don't actually get a million bonus points for writing an answer.
 
@pxeger But why would they include a question on a topic you haven't covered yet?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Because they design the tests long in advance and then the material is covered more slowly than anticipated? Or they use a whole past-paper of which 38/39 questions are fine and they don't bother removing question 14? Or the teachers are just overworked and underpaid?
 
all of the above?
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Or two teachers use the same test, but taught things in a slightly different order
 
ngn
@cairdcoinheringaahing foreshadowing for dramatic effect :)
 
7:56 PM
@user My physics teacher used to ask us to write poems about the subjects if we finished the exam, and he held a separate competition for best poetry (I never won)
 
That sounds fun
idk why, but a lot of the teachers at my high school are somewhat eccentric
 
My Algebra I teacher would always add a bonus question at the end of the test on the next unit's topic, so people who already knew about it could get some extra points
 
everybody's eccentric :P
 
My maths teacher once miscounted the total possible mark, so she made spelling her name (which was greek and difficult to remember) an extra mark
 
lol
@Wezl But some are more circular than others :P
 
8:01 PM
A few people got 900s instead of 90s in some of my classes because of typos lol
 
what kind of peanut butter should I open?
 
I was going through an (the?) FBI homicide dataset and a lot of perpetrators are aged less than 10 or 99
@Wezl Creamy. Almost always better than the crunchy kind
You'd expect them to have some sort of input validation, but apparently they don't
 
ok, salted?
 
Salted is good
 
That's a thing?
 
8:04 PM
out of creamy :(
 
Lots of things come salted
@user Since this joke is either unappreciated or just not funny, I'm going to explain it and ruin it anyway: Eccentricity
 
I think Hunter-Fatherer's hunting mechanics need some work
*Gatherer
 
ngn
@user yeah, it's funny. eccentricity causes conic effect :)
 
8:20 PM
That KotH has brought in something like half a dozen new users :D
 
I went and checked the review queues when you said that, but it looks like you've cleared them already, you selfish reviewer! /s
 
Checking the history there have been exactly half a dozen :p
 
8:44 PM
Unintuitive thing I just thought of: If you have the ability to take out infinitely large loans, and make infinitely large bets with a nonzero probability of doubling your bet, you can reliably earn infinite money by doubling your bet each time you lose until you win
Even with a finite amount of money you can pretty reliably earn an additional 10% or even 50% by doing that, but the higher the amount you want to earn (relative to the amount you have) the more likely it is you lose all your money
 
ngn
@RedwolfPrograms shh.. don't tell them!
 
9:31 PM
@RedwolfPrograms Remember that First Posts requires 2 reviews per post, so there's only been 4 new users
 
Oh it does?
I should probably know this stuff lol
 
wait how is 6/2=4 then or am i missing something
 
Some hadn't been reviewed twice yet
 
There's been one extra :P
 
oh lol
 
9:36 PM
I just finished reviewing the 4th :P
 
But I know I got 3 or 4
 
LQP and Late both require a single review, everything else requires at least 2
 
every time i check the queues they're empty lol
 
That's why you be a stalker
 
and it never shows the red alert badge
 
9:37 PM
Reopen and Close are generally in the queues until a final result is reached, SE and FP both require 2
@hyper-neutrino Use review stalker
 
How did (scores) => scores[0] || 0 net me +100 rep and a bronze badge
 
Got there eventually
 
oh? never heard of it
 
@RedwolfPrograms The post hit HNQ
 
ah the classic hnq effect
 
9:38 PM
I'm fine with it :p
 
@hyper-neutrino Imma regret this, but here
 
Is that the fixed one?
 
thank you, now i will make sure none of you ever get to review again /s
 
Mods reviewing is awful for us, as their vote is binding :P
 
9:39 PM
I've now discovered critical fixes for two fairly widely used userscripts that aren't mine, I should monetize this :p
 
my total lack of review badges probably contributed to my relatively mediocre candidate score :P
even now i mostly look at new activity like posts and edits rather than monitoring queues
 
Imagine not having a candidate score of 38/40 :P
Somehow, I beat WW on candidate score o.O
 
oh? o.o
 
Time to get back to work on ym chat bots
 
I think only Martin has a higher score than me (39), but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
9:44 PM
24
I'm catching up!
 
So Martin is only missing Copy Editor, otherwise he'd have a perfect 40 Nope, hang on
 
34, lmao
 
lol I just have 17
 
Martin's missing Marshal, not Copy Editor
I'm missing Marshal and Steward
 
i'm missing deputy + marshal (which i can no longer get), reviewer + steward, copy editor, and refiner
 
9:52 PM
So, while you're a mod, you can only have a max score of 38 :(
 
well, you can have more if you had those badges beforehand, but you can only get up to 38 if you had 0/40 before :P
 
@hyper-neutrino Yeah, I meant you specifically :P
 
I'd be at 33 if I suddenly got 9000 rep, I'm missing 4 moderation badges and 3 editing ones
 
oh :P
 
Why doesn't English have a plural you or a "one" you :(
 
9:53 PM
y'all?
 
well technically, if you(you) wanted to refer to a mod in general you(you) could say "one", but "one" makes it unambiguously general and "you" makes it ambiguous because most people don't use "one" :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing y'only
2
 
That's the plural, what about the "one"?
> So, while one is a mod, one can only have a max score of 38 :(
Anyone want to join me for a nice spot of tea and croquet?
This is disgusting. I love it +1 :D — caird coinheringaahing Mar 20 at 3:55
 
I'm at 6.
 

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