The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

10:02 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing At the election (Sep 20), I had a candidate score of 30

Since then, I've hit 20k and got Refiner, Copy Editor and Deputy

hyper-neutrino

how do you check that; the election page seems to keep itself up to date lol

caird coinheringaahing

I checked my rep graph and what badges I earned since Sep :P

hyper-neutrino

oh :P

i think my candidate score may actually have no changed since the election. i'm not sure...

caird coinheringaahing

It wasn't that hard tbh :P I earned Constituent at the election, so I used that as a marker. Then most of the badges after that were tag badges or answer/question badges which have no impact

hyper-neutrino

oh, going off of constituent is a good idea :P

caird coinheringaahing

10:06 PM

@hyper-neutrino You have no new badges (that affect the score), and you already had 20k+, so no, it hasn't changed :P

hyper-neutrino

yeah in that case my candidate score has been 34 since like september of 2018 xd

caird coinheringaahing

What was up with these revisions?

I apparently removed and added stack, and DJ removed and added metagolf

hyper-neutrino

se things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Wezl

probably the popularity changed (though that doesn't explain why it thinks you changed it)

A username

I actually have 8 - query is bad

caird coinheringaahing

10:20 PM

@Ausername SEDE renews its data every Sunday, so if you've gotten 2k more rep, or 2 extra badges, or 1k and 1 badge since last Sunday, then it'll be out of sync

A username

I just got cleanup, and I think 1k since last Sunday, so that makes sense.

New Main Posts

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Q: Gelatin integer metagolf

Gelatin is a worse version of Jelly. It is a tacit programming language that always takes a single integer argument and that has 7 (or maybe 16) commands. Gelatin Gelatin programs will always match the following regex: ^[+_DSa\d~]*$ i.e. they will only contain +_DSa0123456789~ characters. The co...

hyper-neutrino

you're fast today

caird coinheringaahing

Clearly NMP heard about Redwolf's bot and is whipping the Feeds into shape :P

Lyxal

that, or it got tired of me criticising it constantly

hyper-neutrino

10:25 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing just to confirm for gelatin, the value always starts as the argument, right?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Yes

hyper-neutrino

like, it doesn't have jelly's special case for if a monadic chain starts with a nilad

caird coinheringaahing

It never starts with a nilad, unless it's a nilad-dyad pair

hyper-neutrino

ah. okay, thanks

Redwolf Programs

I should do some work on my golfing language ranking

A username

10:27 PM

Any feedback?

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms you should do some work on ash

or have you forgotten about it again?

Redwolf Programs

I should, but I'm taking a bit of a break.

Lyxal

reasonable.

Redwolf Programs

I'm really busy right now

Lyxal

12 secs ago, by Lyxal

reasonable.

hyper-neutrino

10:29 PM

correct me if i'm wrong, but _~ is just v => 0?

caird coinheringaahing

Yes

I think it's the shortest way to consistently zero v

hyper-neutrino

oh, it's not actually as easy as i thought to just throw BFS at this

cuz putting a 0,2 after a 2 doesn't make it (2) (0,2)

hmmm i'll need to think about this during dinner. by the time i'm back someone will probably have FGITW'd it lol

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Not to distract you from the ninja I'm sure you're working on, but can this be implemented? +11/-0 in 2 days is pretty solid

@hyper-neutrino TBF, 2,0,2 in Jelly doesn't make it (2), (0,2) either :P

Lyxal

Ah yes time to abuse function attributes for golfing language purposes

wonderful

Redwolf Programs

Should C (gcc) be considered the same as C (clang), or JavaScript (V8) be considered the same as JavaScript (Node.JS)?

caird coinheringaahing

10:38 PM

For what purposes?

Redwolf Programs

Ordinarily I'd say yes, but I'd think they're usually similar enough in byte count

The golfiness ranking

Wezl

the real answer is sometimes but you're going to have to go with a fake answer

caird coinheringaahing

I'd suggest discarding anything in brackets

Wezl

except lisp :)

caird coinheringaahing

No, discard Lisp as well :P

Redwolf Programs

10:39 PM

:p

I came up with a super awesome approach to get around some of the limitations of Elo, I'm excited to see if it worms well

caird coinheringaahing

Only if it has the right 90s music

5

Lyxal

:claps:

caird coinheringaahing

Behold: my shitty jokes :P

And, as a plus, Redwolf cannot fix it, or else it looks weird :P

Lyxal

additionally, it's been two minutes

which is even better

Redwolf Programs

Any bets on the top few most common things in parentheses in answer headings?

Lyxal

10:45 PM

language version

Redwolf Programs

Free cookie if anyone guesses the exact number of occurences of the top one :p

@Lyxal More specific, I need an exact string :p

Lyxal

59%

caird coinheringaahing

(clang) or (gcc)?

Redwolf Programs

(gcc) is second

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms (v8)

Redwolf Programs

10:46 PM

Nope

rak1507

maybe (dyalog)

caird coinheringaahing

or (Unicode)

Redwolf Programs

Dyalog is sixth

There are other variations around and above it though

Dyalog Unicode is fifth

rak1507

yeah, (Dyalog Extended) (Dyalog Classic) (Dyalog Unicode)

caird coinheringaahing

dzaima/apl?

Wezl

10:47 PM

I'm guessing (non-competing) is somewhere but not the top

Redwolf Programs

Nope

@Wezl About 250 occurences of that

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms You need to start using replies :P

rak1507

what ranking are each of the dyalogs

Lyxal

(nars)

(legacy)

(.NET core)

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 5 (Unicode), 6 (Dyalog), 11 (Extended), 16 (Classic)

The winner was ES6, by a landslide

4339 occurences

rak1507

10:48 PM

ah

Redwolf Programs

Second being 1585

rak1507

what were the top 10

Wezl

nooo I was about to figure it out ~~by cheating~~

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms and the worst part is that those are all manually added, as there is no ES6 on TIO

Redwolf Programs

ES6, gcc, Mathematica, Node.js, Dyalog Unicode, Dyalog, Visual C# Interactive Compiler, .NET Core, ES7, ngn/k

Top 10

caird coinheringaahing

10:50 PM

@Wezl Y'only live once, the latest Jimmy Bond film: James Bond, but we cast a Texan

Redwolf Programs

Okay wow why didn't someone tell me about that markdown mistake

Lyxal

python complaint: every other time I redefine a function and I get a reference before redefining, it doesn't overwrite it. But the moment I try and mess around with function attributes, it does it to all references.

Redwolf Programs

The only thing in parentheses that I'm keeping will be (v2)

Wezl

Python complaint:

Lyxal

okay nvm I have a horribly cursed solution

def lam(self, stuff, ar=-1):
    ar = [1, ar][ar != -1]
    print(ar)
    print(getattr(self, "mm"))

g = lam
setattr(g, "mm", 20)

def lam(self, stuff, ar=-1):
    ar = [1, ar][ar != -1]
    print(ar)
    print(getattr(self, "mm"))
f = lam
setattr(f, "mm", 200)

g(g, [])
f(f, [])

Wezl

10:53 PM

      indentation is hard to read, especially when you skip lines

Lyxal

I pass the function to itself to get its own attributes

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal What in the frickety frick?

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing Vyxal

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal I know this is like the least worst thing, but why not g.mm = 20 instead of setattr and g.mm instead of getattr?

Wezl

sorry horrible joke

Lyxal

10:54 PM

oh and TIL you can call dir on None

caird coinheringaahing

dir works on literally anything :P

Lyxal

@Wezl because manipulatable arities

@cairdcoinheringaahing okay sure

hyper-neutrino

11:14 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing true. that's what i meant - like, the chaining rule goes LTR so i have to consider that :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing i was thinking i'd add the may LOTM to an event rather than featuring it - did you want me to convert the current april one too?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino It's May tomorrow (at least for me, for everyone in a small number of hours), so it might be best to just do it for May

hyper-neutrino

sounds good

lol i literally have atom and my terminal open, yet to start working on my submission to gelatin metagolf i opened up tio

i'm just way too used to how convenient TIO has been all these years :P

rak1507

tio is brilliant

Lyxal

imagine having your language on TIO

caird coinheringaahing

Q: What does the dupe link look like here?

rak1507

11:17 PM

being able to supply args/stdin/whatever, switch languages and keep code, etc, it's such a great tool

caird coinheringaahing

And is it Proof that exp(x) is the only function for which f(x) = f'(x)?

Wezl

yes

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

hyper-neutrino

I see it as such too

caird coinheringaahing

Yay, time to write up a bug report :/

hyper-neutrino

11:18 PM

more MM rep time? ;)

caird coinheringaahing

You know it :P

It's too easy with screenshots and confirmation :P

Redwolf Programs

Okay, got parentheses removed properly now

user

~~I would also suggest merging Java and JavaScript, and C, C++, and C#~~

Redwolf Programs

~~Already done~~

caird coinheringaahing

Java is basically just spicy Javascript

hyper-neutrino

11:25 PM

ಠ_ಠ

caird coinheringaahing

No, I won't elaborate :P

Redwolf Programs

Other way around

hyper-neutrino

gotta love how my most upvoted post on MM is literally just from me FGITWing redwolf asking about the feeds user name change because i heard about it from him in this room earlier :P

Redwolf Programs

Highlight text and hitting caps lock should toggle the case

hyper-neutrino

well actually, it's an answer under the "apology" SE gave but that whole thread's been deleted since

caird coinheringaahing

11:27 PM

@hyper-neutrino "hey, anyone else see this bug? Yes? Let's discuss the causes" (3 hours later) "Oh yeah, posted on MM, here's the link. Feel free to FGITW what you said earlier" :P

Redwolf Programs

Wait one of the "apologies" got deleted?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms About 10 of the "apologies" got deleted

SE royally fucked up in and around Nov 2019

Neil

@cairdcoinheringaahing you mean "thou"?

caird coinheringaahing

@Neil I'm sure thou would all agree, it isn't exactly mainstream :P

hyper-neutrino

thou is longer than you so they were synonymized for golfing reasons

Redwolf Programs

11:30 PM

y'all has caught on because it reduces parsing ambiguity

caird coinheringaahing

y'all'd've is especially good

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms but apostrophes

Redwolf Programs

Fun trick: Move apostrophes to mess with grammar pedants

hyper-neutrino

i've seen so many people type ya'll like ಠ_ಠ

Redwolf Programs

d'ont, wo'nt, cant', etc.

Wezl

11:32 PM

tha'ts interesting

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino That should mean ya will

Redwolf Programs

Yughk I don't have chat monospace fix on here

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing y'all'd'ven't is supreme

Redwolf Programs

Time to scroll down my userscript repo and download them all lol

There, that's better

okie

11:34 PM

i just found that in the new koth, most new people post quality answer, and most of us post something like funnynumber (I am not hating that answer, it just really fun since it’s funny number)

Redwolf Programs

I guess we saw it first to steal the easy ones :p

The HNQ people are stuck with having to work for their rep

caird coinheringaahing

Koth bot names are usually some kind of joke tbh :P

Redwolf Programs

Can y'all think of any language names that include words that start with non-alphanumeric characters?

Like Language $Name or something

caird coinheringaahing

Existing languages?

Redwolf Programs

Yes

caird coinheringaahing

11:36 PM

><>?

///?

????

Neil

@NewMainPosts wow, negative numbers are really hard

Redwolf Programs

Only ones where second/third/etc words are nonalphanum

So a [ THIS IS A SPACE ]\W in the name

caird coinheringaahing

μ6?

Redwolf Programs

1 min ago, by Redwolf Programs

Only ones where second/third/etc words are nonalphanum

So only ones where there's a space in the name, then a nonalphanum character

caird coinheringaahing

None of the languages on TIO

Wezl

11:39 PM

@RedwolfPrograms C (gcc) :P

Redwolf Programs

I should be good to just use that to determine the end of the language name then

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Weird, MathJax there renders fine to me

Lyxal

Because it's been edited to render correctly

Bubbler

D'oh

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Mind reverting your edit, at least until the bug gets a status tag?

hyper-neutrino

11:44 PM

eh, idk if i did it right, pending approval to rollback

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I hope you've closed some of those tabs since posting.

caird coinheringaahing

Nevermind, just got status-complete'd

Marking this completed because the specific example is fixed and this doesn't occur with new duplicates. If you stumble upon an old duplicate, you can just edit the post (they're a part of the actual post body). — animuson ♦ 1 min ago

Can you revert a suggested edit?

hyper-neutrino

whoever is reviewing the edits queue must really hate me

i don't know man :/ i don't actually have a clue how suggesting stuff works anymore, i hardly use sites other than CGCC

i'll just mod-flag it and ask someone to reject it

caird coinheringaahing

If you only use CGCC, how will you collect 15 diamonds and moderate like 5% of the network? :P

hyper-neutrino

:P

gotta catch em all

ok i got someone to reject my edit :P fix un-fix un-fixed so it is now fixed

caird coinheringaahing

11:52 PM

Both ChrisF and Rory Alsop are mods on 6 sites, which is the most of any mods

hyper-neutrino

~~aren't there mods who are mods on all of the sites across the network?~~ oh, i thought there was someone with more. then again, maybe they have stepped down from some/all of them since i last checked

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino CMs have diamonds on all sites, but I think Rory has always been #1

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing ???

caird coinheringaahing

@user You heard me

user

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

That's like saying ham is basically just spicy hamsters :P

caird coinheringaahing

11:57 PM

...yes