Frick I have repcapped serially two days, how sad i am missing the rep from upvotes :-(

For a second there I thought you were Lyxal

join the suffering from success gang

It doesn't help that both your pfps are a similar color

@hyper-neutrino should i repcap you?

I am 4 days of 20 upvotes away from four consecutive caps

@Wasif Not unless you stumble upon a good answer of theirs

if you see something of mine worth upvoting, please do, if you don't, don't go looking for something to upvote just for the sake of it

@Wasif they're going to repcap anyway

then its not necessary

@hyper-neutrino I was 2 upvotes away on Sunday from 5 consecutive caps :(

oof

I have to see if I can hattrick

OTOH I'm 44/50 for Epic :P

nice :P i only have 40 rn lol

I have only 4 :-(

hey 44,40,4 most numbers are 4

assuming my rep graph correlates to activity, there's a pretty interesting pattern

I have 0. I guess the pattern is 4s and 0s :)

I was 30 rep away from hitting cap yesterday tho o_o

Ugh I'm catching TIO links as words in my corpus

That explains why there were half a million unique ones

My favorite word has got to be 315 characters of random URL parameter spam

@RedwolfPrograms are you giving bounties to multiple new language answers from same user?

does anyone know of any font that monospaces latin and japanese / korean / chinese characters to the same width

@pxeger ah thanks you're a godsend

@Wasif If they're all good enough, yes, but I doubt that will happen

@Neil doesn't get rid of the ugly wonky icons though :(

@RedwolfPrograms check out my 4 answers in the meta edit, and please say if they are eligible

otherwise i'll remove them from the list

@pxeger There's probably more options for that

@user not that I can find unfortunately

@hyper-neutrino no, most pan-unicode monospace fonts are actually duospace

can someone send me the post with the list of open bounties?

- codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5243/…

Link

ty

Fricking ninja'd :/

@pxeger One of the settings here may help

@Wasif Please just comment or ping me with any more, instead of editing them in

that's what you get for typing the extra [Link]( ) :P

@pxeger or the huge menus, but I already started writing some userChrome.css for that anyway

I'll just onebox then edit next time :P

@Wasif The language you're using is not new

I think you have the wrong bounty

Isn't it one bounty per language?

But it had no answers in PPCG before

The bounty is for newly developed languages

Sorry for any misunderstanding!

@user Oh nvm none of those seem to work

@cairdcoinheringaahing typing - before it before pasting takes like 0.2 seconds tho :P

@hyper-neutrino oneboxing takes 0 seconds :P

i should make a userscript so if you send a SE link only, it auto-un-oneboxes it before sending :P

but what if you want it to onebox :)

@Neil I don't have any problems with the menus, maybe because I'm on KDE?

then un-auto-un-onebox in an edit :P

but what if you want to make it look innocent :) :)

then i will bind like ctrl-enter to send w/o onebox and normal enter to just send normally or smth idk

but ... um ... what if you're evil more often than not :) :/ :)

then you can toggle those two in a setting

but ... ... *overheats*

School WiFi is being nice today and is have do the be fast

> is have do the be fast

Quite indeed

I've got every question and answer on the site downloaded. Time to make the corpus.

I've already made sure it works with a quarter of them.

@RedwolfPrograms what is corpus

> a collection of written texts, especially the entire works of a particular author or a body of writing on a particular subject.

The heap ran out of space

:(

do you use a program for doing this

JS?

well he's processing the entirety of CGCC so presumably he's not doing it manually :P

@Wasif No, I do it by hand

@Wasif Redwolf delegates it to members of their hivemind

oh is JS in the hivemind?

We divide up the work so that it may be done efficiently and master Redwolf gets the work they need done

@Wezl Last I heard it isn't a person, but since the interpreter seems almost sentient sometimes, maybe it is

does it have to be a person?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it's debatable whether weasels are "people"

They're not.

CMP: Is this a stupid question?

@Wezl No, but the hivemind runs on JS

It's why it's so buggy and broken :P

JS isn't buggy or broken it's just bad :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, we use nodejs in our brains

@RedwolfPrograms '0' == 0 == ' \t\n'

@user humans do, weasels run QuickJS

@Wezl Yes, because your brains are so much smaller /s

@cairdcoinheringaahing x == y == z isn't valid syntax in JS

@user that's not false

It compares the result of x == y to z

@RedwolfPrograms So it is valid syntax, right?

then how to chain operators

(x == y) == z?

x == (y == z)?

It's valid in the sense that it doesn't error, but it doesn't do what it seems like it would

And that returns false anyway

@Wasif Pretty sure it's left associative

@cairdcoinheringaahing What about it? It returns false.

@user If it compares x == y first then we should do reverse

@RedwolfPrograms ok but that doesn't make it invalid syntax

PHP is pretty crazy when it comes to type coercion

@pxeger ^

@pxeger That's what I meant though

It's not invalid in any way, really

It's valid syntax (full stop), but not valid syntax for comparing three things to each other

Although in a statically typed language without == overloaded, it would be invalid because of types

I just didn't want to type all that

Then you should have communicated it telepathically

Shame on you, Redwolf, you run a hivemind and can't even do that? :P

@RedwolfPrograms pretty sure she meant '0' == 0 && 0 == ' \t\n'

> TBH Arn and Stax have never been my favourite languages. They seem to be more “how good is the language’s compression?” rather than “how inherently golfy is the language?”

this was said ages ago but I figured it give my 2 cents

@pxeger A pronoun randomizer doesn't really seem like a good idea imo

@pxeger lol

@RedwolfPrograms why? I'm only using it for people who have declared that they use varied pronouns, like caird

@user maybe you just can't receive telepathic messages :P

@Wezl Oh you're right, I might need to turn my brain on and off again

Arn is competitive against the languages I measure it against already, I added compression solely so it could be mildly competitive against languages like O5AB1E or Jelly, which feature a larger 1-byte library and seem to have builtins for everything

@user dym off and on again or is it already off?

@pxeger Could still cause confusion though

@RedwolfPrograms that's why I have it set up to use links

@pxeger but how it is guaranteed that the pronoun you are using is "random"?

The random pronoun script that's linked :p

@Wasif can you really guarantee that anything is random in this deterministic universe?

@Wasif by the ecmascript spec

probably using math.random which is good enough for most non-cryptographic purposes afaik

can confirm

@Wezl Sorry, I meant off and on again. My brain hasn't been working right since the last update

Took a while to reboot, but I'm back

what version are you on?

idk

I'm using Arch btw

Well, a fork of it, made by this really nice person called xxSH4DYm1ndc0ntr0113Rxx

I hate it when ads get injected directly into my mind though

Try uBlock if you're using Chrome or Firefox or something

xxSH4DYm1ndc0ntr0113Rxx also has a few handy mind-extensions, like a password storage app, a hypnosis app, a truth-telling app, a remote motor control app, etc.

I can now operate my limbs and sensory organs through a handy smartphone app, which is so convenient

ikr

@ZippyMagician it's more of optimizing to what challenges require than seemingly having a proper builtin for everything

Other people can too

@Razetime fair point, but no matter the reason they are smaller, which means Arn needs every chance it can get to be shorter

@Adám Due to COVID, all TCP applications have been converted to UDP to avoid handshakes

Finished my corpus!

I just need to filter out HTML tags now

There are around 268k words in it

use rēgęx

Obligatory warning about parsing HTML with regex

That's a special answer

always use regex to parse HTML

@user It's a list of single words, no regex required

@hyper-neutrino I'd flag this, but it's useless since you're a mod :P

are you not able to scan HTML with your mind directly? or do you only support JSON

HTML is the superior format, even if it's more complicated

@ZippyMagician That was me who said that. My main reasoning is that whenever I see a short Stax answer (I tend not to see a lot of Arn), it's always the same builtins as 05AB1E, Jelly, Husk, etc. but it's 2 bytes shorter because of the compression

Even if it isn't cheating, it feels kinda cheap to me to claim a "win" (same thing as flags), which some people do, when your program is only shorter because your compression engine is better (or even, you have one), rather than your golfing being better

happens a lot on kolmogorov challenges lol

Guess you don't like how many flags are in Arn then ;)

But yeah I agree that Stax is basically Jelly/Husk with only ascii characters and compression

i'm working on the beginnings of a golfing language since i haven't actually made a legit attempt at one before; do i keep my flags or should i remove them to appease caird :p

I feel the same way (but less so) when 05AB1E beats Jelly because prime factorisation or something similar is one byte in 05AB1E and 2 in Jelly. You're not winning cause your solution is more clever, you're winning because the language you chose is smaller for that specific task

Right, yeah

@hyper-neutrino No flags, make a fair golfing language

@ZippyMagician stax is golfscript with more builtins and compression

(aside from ones like Jelly's e, u, n, etc.)

And how I can consider a Python solution to "win", even if the same thing in Jelly is 10x smaller. The Python solution found the clever way of doing it

laughs in flags for everything

hence why we no longer compete across languages :P

And why I dislike "shorter than every other answer" comments :P

@hyper-neutrino Not officially :p

Yes, I dislike a lot. But I don't bother to do anything about that :P

-m wraps in {}` -i indexes output -f first -l last -s size -F flatten -R decs all ranges by one -! boolean nots output -a wraps in []` etc

god that formatting

@ZippyMagician Flags with - are less cheaty :P

I have a lot of flags

oops I'm doing something O(n^2) on 500k items on a chromebook

brilliant

what are you even doing that's costing you N^2 time

Vyxal with adojf being 5 different flags is blegh :P

Removing duplicates from a list

I like competing across golflangs

But I have to do something with the duplicates

can't you just like new Set(x) it or smth xd

oh

the competition of who can cheat the most with their language features

lmao

sets are amortized O(1) insert/remove/membership, are you using lists to store the duplicate check or smth like that?

I guess I could use a dictionary, then get the array of keys when I'm done

For some reason, I thought the singular of "lunchbox" was "lunchbok"

yeah like codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/224019/participant-number e2.~::%3-1&.@ in Arn with -i and -F, those two flags save me ~4 bytes

if you're ever doing dupe checking in O(N^2) there's almost always a better way to do it :P where better = faster, not golfier

@cairdcoinheringaahing lunchbok

@hyper-neutrino better should always mean golfier :P

@ZippyMagician Yes :P

I understand the consensus of seeing Arn -iF as a different language, but I do understand why you consider it cheaty

they can save a lot of space and give an advantage over languages that dont have command line flags

but my language is essentially J but more golf + compression so I'll keep them

allowing flags in this context just feels like a compromised version of allowing metagolfscript but not entirely unreasonable

I still subscribe to the school of thought that it's not perfect, but it's the best compromise, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

also in my defense I designed this language like a week after learning code golfing existed :p

@ZippyMagician Those are the best languages :D

I think we're in a reasonable position. Languages can make smart use of flags to save on common operations that are required for a lot of challenges, but so long as they're not just moving all of the solution into flags instead of actual code, it's not that cheat-y :P

Also @Razetime what do you mean by over, under, before, after, combine? I'm not familiar with APL commands

though the s flag in Vyxal for example is basically just "if you would put S at the end of your code, instead don't do that and -1 byte for free"

I think a flag is fine if it replaces what the user would ordinarily do to format I/O, rather than what the program ordinarily would

@hyper-neutrino I agree. The day a language is 0 bytes with only command line arguments is the day they go too far

Metagolfscript

@ZippyMagician already an idea that people have had :P and already disallowed

@hyper-neutrino I try to make my flags things that could save 3 or more bytes in certain instances

but only because of Arn precedence

I agree with Redwolf; having to handle I/O in the language is kind of annoying and using flags to get the format into something your language is actually capable of working with makes sense

like for example a flag to format the output as a grid instead of having G in jelly (which I think is kinda a waste of a one-byte atom, but that's just IMHO)

Ash will have two flags, one for UTF-8/SBCS and one for prints joined with newlines vs. separated with commas wrapped in []

@ZippyMagician github.com/barbuz/Husk/wiki/Semantics#combinators check this out

it has most of them

for example, adding -i changed my program from 1 1{#+}-> with -al to 1 1{#,+ with -ai (cant remember which problem this was from, and the commas because the first was written in the buggy js interpreter)

@hyper-neutrino G is the biggest waste of a single command ever :/

Closely followed by Ṙ

@Razetime thanks man

yeah STDIO commands being one byte is just a waste cuz they're hardly ever used, and if you need STDIO in jelly, you're likely already going to lose to 05AB1E

I'm probably going to add a -e flag to interpret the input as a code in order to fix some issues with type coersion. So instead of "first second" it would be "[first second]" to tell Arn it is an array, not a string that should be cast to an array which can cause issues

@hyper-neutrino Unless it's unparseable nilads. Those are the greatest secret golf that pretty much only Jelly has :P

Haha! I've done it!

@ZippyMagician does Arn allow args on both sides?

yes

did your O(N^2) on 500KB finally finish :p

No, I used a more reasonable method :p

fixes can take any amount of args on either side, my new interpreter makes it really easy

But I now have a combined dictionary of about half a million words

Ranging all the way from the to coinheringaahing and golgw

coinheringaahing has to be one of the most common non-words in answers :P

I read that as directory (What!? You're storing each word as a file!?)

@Wezl But I am!

@ZippyMagician then the translation may be a bit different looking

but i guess it fucntions the same

Every file just contains every word in the dictionary that isn't the current word

That makes reconstructing the dictionary easier

@cairdcoinheringaahing especially edit history

:o

My name is right next to recurses

redwolf / recurses / x7

I'm not that good at Haskell, what exactly does the combin command do in Husk?

lol and the next one is intercourse hehe

Why was that in a CGCC answer

> Redwolf recurses intercourse 7 times

:P

huh, relevance search is weird, and rarely helpful

@RedwolfPrograms That'd be due to this question

Ah, ok

Oh I understand how combin works

I'll probably make it a two byte

if I even implement it

@Razetime

Oh wow, the dictionary is only about 6 MB uncompressed

And it's got more than half a million words

that seems smaller than it should be

CMM: Do you guys mind us ROs clearing the star from messages with 1 star that are a few hours old?

I dislike that

Unless there's a bunch in one conversation

what are the benefits?

Keeps the starboard somewhat cleaner

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not at all

Single stars can push things with more stars off the board

that you won't have to give your bounty for longer?

@cairdcoinheringaahing status-bydesign

@cairdcoinheringaahing Seems like a good idea to me

@RedwolfPrograms In that case, I'm clearing all but the earliest (or any message with more than one star)

You generally shouldn't need 2 adjacent messages starred, at least not with 1 star

Yeah, I agree with that. I just don't think one or two random one star messages really hurt anything.

noooo just when i finally thought i was free

why is it back

>:|

It will haunt you forever

@hyper-neutrino Only one of those has the featured tag and one of the questions with that tag isn't there

@pxeger yeah, the menu changes are Windows 10 only iirc

@RedwolfPrograms I choose a pronoun randomly using the XKCD method, which now means that I randomly assume everyone in this room is a he.

I think I broke something

I'm stuck in less

Okay fixed it

I have no idea what I just did

you can use more to cancel out less /s

@cairdcoinheringaahing TFW SE

@Neil You have a dice with pronouns written on it? :P

Or did you have a list where the element at index 4 was he?

it seems to be fixed now but......... gonna keep it unlocked for a few days longer just to be safe

@user it was cyclically indexed

idea: build a graph of all "crossed out 44" references

Should've crossed that message out

@hyper-neutrino who runs O(n^2) with 500kb of memory

or on 500 000 items

on cheap public wifi no less

Wifi shouldn't have anything to do with it

This is what they were referencing

it is 500 000 items

@RedwolfPrograms why did you use they instead of I in that sentence

I think they (Redwolf) meant hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms also with 500000 items and an O(n^2) algorithm, every bit counts

But there's no networking involved

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing :p

ok ignore the network

by my maths, that's (5 * 10^5)^2 computations times some factor k

which is 2.5 * 10^11, or 250 000 000 000 * k

every reduction of k counts here

Yep, as you can tell I am a very smart person and I definitely think through my actions before doing them :p

@user on that note, what in the name of God and Satan alike was going on at this point

This should get you up to speed:

@RedwolfPrograms you're going to have to fill me in there

[redacted]

s/dumb joke/reality we all pretend to ignore because it's easier that way

stackmeter.exe is not responding

stackmeter.exe is still not responding

:P

stackmeter.exe is still not responding. do you want to forcibly exit the program?

nonono

I don't know what that would do in real life but it doesn't sound good

stackmeter.exe is still not responding

Okay, it's getting a bit repetitive now

stackmeter.exe has crashed. rebooting...

sup guys

@hyper-neutrino i like this idea

Okay, Ash's new string compression system will be able to represent common words in around two bytes, and fairly common ones in around three. No word in the dictionary, even the most obscure, with a trailing , , will take more than four bytes.

seems cool

(It's four bits of overhead for a dictionary word, plus two bits if you want a trailing , or all uppercase, then between 14 and 26 bits for the word itself)

so all in all, if I want the word "word", I should just use "word"?

because 4 bytes == 4 bytes

No, word would be 2 bytes

The ones that are four bytes are super obscure words, rare misspellings, and proper nouns and names

Like gooogla or usertransaction or plasmatic

what if I want to encode "frdxfcgbvesrdkgvnaeosgvboes"?

is that four bytes?

That's not in my dictionary, so it'd be however many bytes it normally is (although some substrings might be replacable with words, and some letters are only 6 bits)

doesn't look to me like there are many words in that tbh

@Neil I wouldn't suggest that method for real life usage.

there's no words in the @pxeger

Yeah probably not in that, but if the word was something like nocturnal (which is in the dictionary anyway but bear with me) you could replace turn with the word turn, which is just over two bytes

but 2.5 bytes gets rounded up to 3 so why even bother

Not if you have a bunch of words in the string

@RedwolfPrograms as leader of the hivemind, can you make me CEO of Vyxal Corporation™ please?

Like This is a string with a considerable number of words could be broken into ten words, which at around two bytes each is much, much shorter

@Wezl that's Lyxal's job

go create Vezl, the programming language, and we'll talk then

@StackMeter except they've been doing some unspeakable things

@StackMeter not a bad idea

dammit @Lyxal

but Vs are deprecated and will be removed in the next release

thank god I have no Vs

replace them with Ps and port them all to Python

the hivemind will soon become the hiwemind

"Hi, we mind"

I repcapped today and didn't even notice lol

i see your Ws and raise you a pair of scissors

the "ed" suffix/thing will also be removed

wait did you ban @Lyxal

Some context: Ash's string dictionaries have a two or four bit prefix. If it's 00, the word is lower case. If it's 01, it's lower case with a space. The 11 prefix is reserved. I can't decide if it'd be more useful for 10 to be title case, or title case followed by a space (either way, the other one would still be available as a four bit prefix)

what's 11- reserved for?

@pxeger are you saying TNB isn't real?

@StackMeter The four bit prefixes

@Neil I mean that, if you're not joking, deliberately and systematically misgendering people is not a good idea