The Nineteenth Byte

ChartZ Belatedly

00:07

Fun fact: if Jon Skeet only got reputation by being awarded +1 for every answer he posted, and no more, he'd be 32nd in the CGCC all time rep leagues

At +2 per answer, he'd be 10th, +3 he'd be 6th and at +4, only Arnauld, Martin and Dennis would beat him :P

HyperNeutrino

01:06

@Deadcode Yeah, usually spreading out edits is a good idea because there's constant activity anyway, so a periodic edit over a week isn't annoying, but pushing down too many active posts might be more troublesome. No worries though, just so you know for the future :)

I wish there were a way to edit something quietly. Not sure if that would be for better or for worse.

ChartZ Belatedly

Oh man, I wish that existed so often

HyperNeutrino

Also that many edits made Community autoflag you for vandalism lmao

ChartZ Belatedly

Or even the option to choose for you edit to not bump, maybe if you reach a certain rep level. The number of times I've wanted to remove a tag used in like 2 old questions but haven't because it'd bump it ಠ_ಠ

CGCC's been busy over on Mother Meta today :P

HyperNeutrino

yeah, it is quite bothersome to not be able to just fix something quickly without bringing some like 18 year old garbage answer of mine onto the front page :P

ChartZ Belatedly

Maybe this'll finally convince the CMs to actually have a look at our other unfixed bugs :P

@HyperNeutrino I know you're exaggerating, but I'll be very impressed if there comes a point where you can bring up some 18 year old post of yours :P

> Member for 3 years, 10 months

That doesn't seem right, is that since your account deletion?

HyperNeutrino

01:10

yes

ChartZ Belatedly

Thought so :P No way I've been around longer than you :P

HyperNeutrino

i have account activity from before then since apparently I'm able to have activity on my account from before this account existed, which I guess is fair enough :P

ChartZ Belatedly

Your first (undeleted) answer was in 2015, so you've clearly been around for longer than 4 years :P

Unless the apocalyptic 2020 I remember was just a dream and we're actually in 2019? Please?

> 999/1000 score

Oh fun, exactly one vote away from gold code-golf :P

Bubbler

Well, we did survive through 2020

HyperNeutrino

@ChartZBelatedly guys nobody upvote ChartZ just out of spite

@ChartZBelatedly java D:

ChartZ Belatedly

01:15

@HyperNeutrino Mods can place an account in permanent "stasis" right? Prevent all changes to their account :P

(I don't think you can do that tbh, that'd be pretty OP, even for a mod)

HyperNeutrino

No, I don't think I can.

I don't think suspending you would even stop you from reaching the badge, but I'm not quite sure.

ChartZ Belatedly

Nuking my account would, but that's it I think

HyperNeutrino

yeah

the funniest thing about my account deletion is that it happened on my 97th consecutive login (I didn't have Fanatic at the time)

ChartZ Belatedly

Anyone who knows 05AB1E, is this answer valid? I don't know enough about Elixir and 05AB1E to know if it uses floating point arithmetic or not

@HyperNeutrino rip :(

HyperNeutrino

okay it wasn't that funny at the time :P but i have it now so

/shrug/

ChartZ Belatedly

01:23

@ChartZBelatedly Looks like it uses floats

HyperNeutrino

can confirm reciprocal just does 1/to_number(x) so it's inexact

also by testing a large enough number

ChartZ Belatedly

Fun fact: in addition to handling infix, Jelly also handles postfix notation :P

HyperNeutrino

unfortunately no prefix :(

ChartZ Belatedly

Or anyfix

Bubbler

01:42

@ChartZBelatedly Except that the argument that appears on the right is actually the left arg

ChartZ Belatedly

01:58

@Bubbler Ssshh! :P

As long as you stick to commutative dyads, no one can tell the difference :P

Lyxal

@ChartZBelatedly that could make for a good JHT exercise

explain why it works

rak1507

yeah, I haven't got a clue

Lyxal

Bubbler gave the answer

ChartZ Belatedly

02:20

@rak1507 The first 1 sets the argument for the rest of the program, so the remaining 2 + uses the 1 as the missing argument

Try replacing the + with , in the two linked examples

HyperNeutrino

02:35

long story short, the 1 is a nilad at the start of a niladic chain so it becomes the lone argument and the rest of the chain is evaluated monadically

in a monadic chain, a nilad-dyad pair like 2 + combines to a monad meaning x => 2 + x, which takes the lone argument 1 and replaces it with 2 + 1 which is 3

then since it's the end of the chain, that's the implicit return

at least that's from my (probably rusty) understanding of jelly chaining rules from my several hours of studying it years ago :P

Bubbler

It's actually very clever design because it eliminates one reason to use Commute in APL and J (where it costs one byte for nothing but syntactic reasons)

ChartZ Belatedly

02:54

@HyperNeutrino That's how I would've explained it if I weren't on my phone :P

ChartZ Belatedly

03:05

@Bubbler Is Commute the APL/J name for Jelly's ` (treat the previous dyad as a monad by using the same value for both arguments)?

Quality backtick escaping there :/

HyperNeutrino

i'm guessing it's @, but idk lol

Razetime

` and @ are under the same symbol in APL

ChartZ Belatedly

CMQ: How often do you look at users CGCC profiles? I typically check out around 1 to 3 different profiles a day (mainly new users tbh)

Razetime

⍨

@ChartZBelatedly any day I'm bored I look at someone's profile and answer a bunch of their top questions

then i hop to another profile and the cycle continues

Bubbler

@ChartZBelatedly HN is right, it's @ (take a dyad and flip its two sides)

@ChartZBelatedly I rarely look at others' profiles. I look at mine x times every day, where 1 < x < ∞

I'm so narcissistic

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Redwolf Programs

03:17

Not a very golfy way to say "at least twice a day" :p

ChartZ Belatedly

@Bubbler Oh yeah, narcissism on SE's classic :P

I have a tab open with my profile on my computer pretty much all the time

It's why I keep spouting random facts about rep and badges :P

Bubbler

Relatable

ChartZ Belatedly

How else will I know I'm 85% of the way towards Socratic???

Redwolf Programs

I just bookmarked my profile and I use that to get to CGCC

It's also useful for getting Fanatic which is why I chose my profile

I could probably change it now but ¯\(._.)/¯

ChartZ Belatedly

Amateur, not using the app to get Fanatic :P

Bubbler

03:20

Socratic is my "next tracked badge"

ChartZ Belatedly

Same

Redwolf Programs

Mine's Strunk & White

ChartZ Belatedly

CMQ: How close are you to your next tracked badge?

Bubbler

Me for Socratic? It's at 94

Redwolf Programs

I'm at 41 for Socratic, I tend to post all my good ideas at once

ChartZ Belatedly

03:21

@Bubbler Guess I need to post 9 challenges before you to match you :P

Bubbler

And then there was a CMP when I got my first gold:

Jan 19 '20 at 23:48, by Bubbler

CMP: How many of you have "Fanatic" (visit the site each day for 100 consecutive days) as your first gold badge?

Wow, that's over a year old

Redwolf Programs

I wish you could install custom keyboards on Chrome OS

I get why you can't, but it'd still be a useful advanced feature

ChartZ Belatedly

@Bubbler Guilty :P

I've been here 4 years, and I got half my gold badges within the last 6 months

HyperNeutrino

@Bubbler yep, though I got my gold code-golf tag badge only 5 days later

granted, I would've gotten fanatic 97 days earlier under normal circumstances

my most recent gold badge was two and a half years ago, electorate lol

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino Just step down as mod, you'll get Sheriff :P

Razetime

03:36

step down right before next election

Redwolf Programs

No way, I messed with my parser and nothing caught on fire or resulted in mass tragedy

HyperNeutrino

bruh

ok just to confirm that i am not stupid you are joking, right? sheriff is awarded after serving mod for a year which i have not yet?

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino Wait, is it not September?

I think that's when the election was

HyperNeutrino

@ChartZBelatedly no, it's like March 380th, 2020 or something like that

yeah the election was sept 2020

specifically, my account gained the diamond on september 29th, 2020

ChartZ Belatedly

Pretty sure it's still 1990 :P

@HyperNeutrino NGL, I legit thought you'd been a mod for a good minute

HyperNeutrino

03:45

Time is all an illusion now, between March 2020 and now I legit have no concept of the passage of time anymore lol

ChartZ Belatedly

Feb 28 at 1:17, by caird coinheringaahing

idk the physics behind it, but time has been on some hardcore drugs for the past 18 months

HyperNeutrino

very true

ChartZ Belatedly

Speaking of time, it's quarter to 4 in the morning here, and I should probably grab what little sleep I can

\o

Redwolf Programs

o/

There are some really useless OEIS sequences...A128401 for example

New Sandboxed Posts

04:33

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sticky polyhexes code-golf combinatorics hexagonal-grid polyomino Background A polyhex of size \$n\$ is a contiguous shape made from joining \$n\$ unit regular hexagons side-by-side. As an example, the following image contains all 7 distinct tetrahexes (polyhexes of size 4), from Wikipedia: A di...

Wasif

04:50

@RedwolfPrograms Only use is that you can write a PPCG challenge using that

Redwolf Programs

It'd be a pretty boring challenge :p

Wasif

@ChartZBelatedly I nearly see 100 profiles a day

@ChartZBelatedly Closest silver badges are Sportsmanship (26 more votes) and Civic duty (21 more votes), I think I'll get them today :P

And closest gold badge is Fanatic 61/100, I'll likely get it, if big disasters don't happen

Can we see progresses for the Pundit badge?

HyperNeutrino

05:41

@ChartZBelatedly approximately equal to the number of pending flags

most of the time I check a profile is to evaluate how recently they've been active when a flag on their answer indicates it's invalid, lol

New Sandboxed Posts

06:39

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Check B-powersmoothness math code-golf from Wikipedia, a number is called B-powersmooth if all prime powers \$p^v\$ that divide the number satisfy \$p^v \leq B\$. B-powersmoothness is important, for example, for Pollard's p-1 factorization algorithm. Task your task is to get two numbers, \$n\$ an...

pxeger

07:10

If you make a primes challenge that requires you to handle 0 and 1, please reconsider your life choices

New Sandboxed Posts

09:11

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Calculate the final derivative of a polynomial code-golf math The main task here is to find the last derivative of a polynomial function before getting \$0\$ More precisely... In calculus high school, you learned that the derivative of \$ax^{n}\$ was \$nax^{n-1}\$ (I'll leave you to prove that y...

Neil

09:46

@ChartZBelatedly huh, you live in UTC?

rak1507

10:16

@NewSandboxedPosts how come this link doesn't work?

pxeger

10:30

@Neil daylight savings time in the UK started yesterday, so it's now UTC+1

@rak1507 the post was deleted, probably because it was a duplicate

rak1507

ah

Neil

@pxeger but he said "it's quarter to 4 in the morning here" at 04:48 my time, and I'm BST

pxeger

hmm, maybe he forgot to set his clock forwards while you and I did?

Neil

10:45

@pxeger ... although my watch, my kitchen clock, my set-top box, my tablet, and my desktop all do that for me (that just leaves my car, my alarm clock, and my boiler).

pxeger

shrug

ChartZ Belatedly

12:10

@Neil I mean quarter to 5, but it was quarter to 5 in the morning, so my brain wasn't working :P

Redwolf Programs

Morning!

ChartZ Belatedly

@RedwolfPrograms Afternoon (just)!

2x-1

12:26

Evening!

Redwolf Programs

14:44

I updated Chat Monospace Fix, to fix a bug with the formatting when editing. Turns out I also forgot to do the rename last time, so you might have to uninstall the old one since it's been renamed to the correct one now.

(The bug was that the background was still light, so the text was almost invisible in the preview. I made the highlight color dark on the editing screen now)

Redwolf Programs

15:19

I think I'll remove the requirements for the algorithm being well known for Reverse Zip Bomb, and just have it be a competition within the algorithms (like how Jelly doesn't compete with Java)

Wasif

15:37

@RedwolfPrograms waiting for stunning viruses :P

Redwolf Programs

I doubt anything close to harmful increases in size will occur, although who knows :p

It'd be a lot less dangerous than a zip bomb anyway though, because your (or your anti-virus') first instinct isn't to zip a mysterious file

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly By user, do you mean me? If so, a lot of times, because I'm very vain.

Wasif

@RedwolfPrograms OK also the decompression time taken in count

I knew a archiving program named KGB archiver, which could compress 3 GB files into just 50 MB, but decompressing them would take enormous time

Redwolf Programs

It obviously can only do that with a small subset of 3 GB files, though :p

Original Original Original VI

Why the stars for this, this, this, and this?

New Main Posts

15:48

4

Q: Reverse Zip Bomb

A zip bomb is a compressed file, designed so that unpacking it yields the biggest file possible. These are fairly well known, and there are examples of 42 KB files which expand into multiple petabytes of data. In this challenge, the goal is reversed. Instead of providing a compressed file which i...

Wasif

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI what is the third link about?

Redwolf Programs

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI You...you...you...

That's not fair :p

But good job

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif I'm just as confused as you, I don't understand the stars either

@RedwolfPrograms Lyxal trained me well :P

Redwolf Programs

One time when I was like 10 I was on a Minecraft server. Someone sold me a book called "How to scam people". It was empty.

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Original Original Original VI

@RedwolfPrograms I hope you sold it to someone else

Wasif

15:56

@RedwolfPrograms Okay how "scam" is coming here? Who and when scammed here now?

Redwolf Programs

Nobody, it's just a funny story and something reminded me of it

Original Original Original VI

@RedwolfPrograms Nothing reminded you of it. Shh!! :P

Wasif

@RedwolfPrograms I know that message is a joke, I wanna know what is the thing!

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif I don't know about that, but you know what isn't a scam? This very cheap hacking software I have that will help you break into the NSA. It's only $1 right now, so get it while I still have copies of it left!

Wasif

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI if he sells the book on internet, we won't get it

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI that book won't ever reach me

Original Original Original VI

16:01

@Wasif It could be ~~scammed~~ scanned.

@Wasif Why not?

CMQ: Have you ever been scammed/cheated?

Wasif

There are so many scams on the internet now days.
Send me $19.95 today and I can tell you how to avoid them.

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif Sure, is it okay if I use this new cryptocurrency I've made called golfcoin?

It depends on you being able to golf some code in my new esolang golfcoinlang. The only way you can crack it is by making your code as golfy as or golfier than the passcode. If a hacker can do that, they deserve the money anyway.

@Wasif Give me the password to your email account and I'll make a new golfcoin account for you so I can deposit the money.

pxeger

Important announcement: 1 cubic Parsec = 5.96074924 * 10^54 US teaspoons

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Wasif

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI okay okay Your sense of humor is very developed, i felt like falling from my chair reading the jokes, I can't beat you to it

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI "other users' profile pages" :P

Original Original Original VI

16:13

@Wasif Uh, I wouldn't call my sense of humor very developed, but thank you

@ChartZBelatedly There are no other users, there is only me (and even I am no longer a user)

Wasif

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Actually everyone here has a nice sense of humor, not only you

Original Original Original VI

What's up with all the stars?

Wasif

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI have you deduced who is starring them?

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif Indeed, we are a very funny and sophisticated bunch.

Redwolf Programs

Two stars in a monologue is almost never necessary

Original Original Original VI

16:14

@Wasif I suspect it's you

@RedwolfPrograms ^

Redwolf Programs

(Fun fact: SE calls the groups of messages sent by the same person that clump together "monologues")

pxeger

like

this?

ChartZ Belatedly

And you can disrupt your own monologue by sending 3 dashes

---
like this

Original Original Original VI

Look, a dialogue!

Wasif

Test on sandbox please

Original Original Original VI

16:16

Aight

Redwolf Programs

And make sure to look at my code while you're there

Someone remind me I need to fix a bug in Chat Monospace Fix later

Original Original Original VI

@RedwolfPrograms You need to fix a bug in Chat Monospace Fix later.

Redwolf Programs

Thanks!

Original Original Original VI

@RedwolfPrograms No problem

Redwolf Programs

Shift + Enter

Unrelated String

16:21

you can also
shift+enter

ChartZ Belatedly

Press Shift+Enter
To enter on multiple lines

pxeger

You can press shift+enter to insert a line break in the middle
like this

Redwolf Programs

Haha I am the ninja

Original Original Original VI

Also works on Discord and stuff

Unrelated String

but you didn't use it like we did

pxeger

16:21

wow quadruple duplicate post

Original Original Original VI

VTCing all of them :P

Unrelated String

:P

Wasif

deletes his message in embrassment

Redwolf Programs

I want to close three challenges as dupes of the next one someday

So A is dupe of C, C is dupe of B, B is dupe of A

pxeger

CMC: under what circumstances can the string **a** appear in valid, non-undefined-behaviour, C code? Probably easy. (Not in a string literal)

Redwolf Programs

16:26

Is ** exponentiation in C?

Original Original Original VI

@pxeger Something like b* *a * *c?

pxeger

No

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI correct

Original Original Original VI

Yay, do I get a prize?

pxeger

Alternatively, #define unused **a** and then don't use it

Redwolf Programs

Probably multiplying a pointer to a pointer of a by a pointer to b, right? (I don't know C)

pxeger

16:27

@RedwolfPrograms not the pointers but the values at the pointers

Redwolf Programs

Yeah those

pxeger

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI I gave you a star

Original Original Original VI

@pxeger Thanks (might want to remove the star, though, there's enough here already)

ChartZ Belatedly

CMC: Under what circumstances can ? appear in Python code, ignoring string literals and comments?

pxeger

Under PEP 640?

In some weird encoding like rot-13?

HyperNeutrino

16:40

adding ? for unused would be really nice

i'm not a fan of using _ and also if it's not an identifier then in theory for?in range(3) should be valid, right?

that's a -2b to a LOT of things

Original Original Original VI

? feels like "what is this?" to me, rather than "no one cares about this" like _

Wasif

I want a ternary operator like <condition> ? <expression1> : <expression2>, the if syntax is a little hard to use

Original Original Original VI

It feels a little more natural than ?: to me

pxeger

? : is too unreadable, especially for Python's style, but the order of inline if seems wrong to me

Original Original Original VI

I prefer Scala's and Kotlin's if (foo) bar else baz (treating it like an expression)

pxeger

16:42

I want if condition; foo; else bar

Original Original Original VI

@pxeger Those feel like statements rather than an expression

Wasif

@pxeger It;s looking like bash

If that's implemented we need to invent something other than ; for separating statements

I am also not against the if syntax

Redwolf Programs

I think the order is really weird

Original Original Original VI

The current syntax is a bit odd but it makes sense because the if and else themselves act as separators, so you don't need ;

Damn this userscript

Redwolf Programs

I can mod it to not do that if you want

If you send me the code

Original Original Original VI

16:45

It's alright

I keep my cod to myself

Redwolf Programs

What about your salmon?

Original Original Original VI

CMP: Favorite seafood?

@RedwolfPrograms I also keep it to myself.

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino It'd be fun to go through the outstanding PEPs and see which would benefit golfers the most :P

Original Original Original VI

I do not share my seafood with others unless it tastes bad.

Redwolf Programs

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Tie between crab legs, lobster, and scallops

Not that I get to eat any of them very often

Wasif

16:46

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Pomfret

pxeger

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Monkfish

Original Original Original VI

@RedwolfPrograms I don't like any of them :P

ChartZ Belatedly

@HyperNeutrino for?in range(n): can be for?in[0]*n: for another -4

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif I like that one too

Redwolf Programs

My cat would almost certainly say canned tuna

ChartZ Belatedly

16:47

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Mussels

Original Original Original VI

I like shrimp myself

Redwolf Programs

I just made shrimp scampi last night :p

Original Original Original VI

@pxeger Monkfish looks...interesting

@RedwolfPrograms I'm hungry now :\

ChartZ Belatedly

I rarely make seafood dishes, because whenever I buy fish, I have to use it the next day, which doesn't fit into my meal schedule

And frozen fish is awful

Original Original Original VI

@ChartZBelatedly You don't have to use it the next day

pxeger

16:48

@ChartZBelatedly I like monkfish partly because it's good frozen

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Most fish I've bought fresh isn't good anymore after 2 days

It's edible, but meh

Original Original Original VI

Ah

Wasif

I like Hilsha fries too

pxeger

ooh, I forgot about calamari. Calamari is definitely the best seafood

Redwolf Programs

Also sushi, sushi is good, forgot about that

Original Original Original VI

16:50

Is it as disgusting to eat as it looks? (calamari)

Wasif

@RedwolfPrograms I hate them (No offence to anyone)

Original Original Original VI

I've been afraid to try it

pxeger

Pizza Express do good calamari

Original Original Original VI

Aw, they're not in the US

Redwolf Programs

We went from ? in Python to calamari in under ten minutes

I love this room

pxeger

16:53

CMP: what would you like the topic to change to next?

Redwolf Programs

Default linux terminal fonts

Original Original Original VI

@pxeger Scala

Wasif

@pxeger what does "CMP" mean???????????????

Redwolf Programs

Chat Mini Poll

Original Original Original VI

Chat Mega Poll

Wasif

16:53

And CMQ or CMC

Redwolf Programs

Q is Question, C is Challenge

Original Original Original VI

Chat Mini Question, Chat Mini Challenge

pxeger

Question and Challenge respectively

Original Original Original VI

Ninja'd :\

@pxeger The possibility of using gene editing to create unicorns and pegasi

Wasif

@RedwolfPrograms no from scams to calamari

Original Original Original VI

16:55

Blame Redwolf for their misspelling of code

Wasif

Oh also is the starring message mystery solved :P

Redwolf Programs

I don't like sandboxing my posts. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere.

Original Original Original VI

@Wasif You're my prime suspect

CMP: Who thinks Wasif is the secret starrer?

Redwolf Programs

I do

pxeger

for reasons I cannot disclose, I think it's not Wasif

Original Original Original VI

16:57

@pxeger Hmmmm

Redwolf Programs

I updated Chat Monospace Fix again, it now works in the starboard too.

Original Original Original VI

CMP: Who would like to answer pxeger's CMP?

pxeger

@ChartZBelatedly what was your answer to this?

(was there even one?)

Wasif

17:15

My answer would be let's talk randomly on current topics and we'd jump into another

Unrelated String

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI where have you seen it where it looked disgusting

Wasif

Has someone found a nice reverse zip bomb

Redwolf Programs

No answers yet

Original Original Original VI

Unrelated String

that looks delicious

what the hell are you talking about

i guess maybe the pinkish hue

Wasif

17:20

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI what is this

pxeger

no no, calamari is deep-fried

Unrelated String

squid meat in general is amazing fried or not

Wasif

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI let's leave serial starring case remain a mystery ;-)

ChartZ Belatedly

@pxeger I didn't have one :P

pxeger

@ChartZBelatedly ah, in that case, I'm fairly confident there is none.

ChartZ Belatedly

17:28

I could very much go for some calamari right about now :P

@pxeger That seems dubious

@pxeger Apparently there is, huh

pxeger

I told you there was probably some weird codec

Wasif

@pxeger thanks for teaching use of different encodings in code useful for code golf

Original Original Original VI

18:49

@UnrelatedString It looks alive

@pxeger That looks a lot more edible

ChartZ Belatedly

@OriginalOriginalOriginalVI Do you not wrestle your food to death before eating it?

Any feedback?

@RedwolfPrograms So get this y'all: mods can change the example question in the Tour at will. And I found that out from an answer posted by... Doorknob

pxeger

Any feedback?

Redwolf Programs

We should vote on a new question for the tour

3

I'll make a meta post later

To ask if we should

Original Original Original VI

Nomination, then voting?

ChartZ Belatedly

Combine it into one: "Should we change the example question, and if so, to what?"

pxeger

18:55

can this be changed too? :P

> Get answers to practical, detailed questions

ChartZ Belatedly

Answers are either, "No" or "Yes, to ..."

@pxeger Not quite, no :(

Mods can change the bullet points below that, but not that

> Note that Stack Exchange developers / Community Managers / employees can also edit probably any other section of the site, if you make a good enough case on your per-site meta.

looks at our meta Hmm doubt intensifies

pxeger

I think they could be reworded too, to emphasise our requirement for Objective Winning Criteria, and perhaps mention the sandbox somewhere

Original Original Original VI

^

ChartZ Belatedly

The bullet points I'm talking about are:

> Ask about...

Code golf (details)
Programming puzzles
Other programming contests or challenges

and

> Don't ask about...

General programming questions
Anything that's not a programming puzzle, challenge, or contest, or a question about programming puzzles or code golf

Which I don't think is an appropriate place for the Sandbox to be mentioned

pxeger

well it definitely needs to be somewhere on the tour page

ChartZ Belatedly

18:59

Yeah. Mods can change the introductory paragraph, we could ask to put it there

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