The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

00:06

@quartata It's rough and coarse and gets everywhere

Zacharý

LOL

quartata

00:29

@Mego well i walked into that one

Anonymous

@quartata Yep, I don't know what you expected

Destructible Lemon

00:48

i made the dumbest trap for the white queen in bullet chess... but it worked 2/2 times i've tried it

ASCII-only

03:04

ok apparently i have a spare key for a hat in time. not sure if it will work for other people but idk what to do with it

Pavel

I literally just bought it myself, actually

quartata

@ASCII-only you already have it?

ASCII-only

yeah, apaprently

quartata

~~make an alternate so you can get it twice~~

I guess ask in PPCG gaming if anyone doesn't have it

ASCII-only

also no man's sky is 55% off. should probably get that

also not sure if anything here is worth getting. cuphead maybe? super hot? symmetry?

feersum

03:16

I just stuck my hand into my printer and can feel dozens of chocolate chips and several bottle caps

2

Do you guys think this can harm the functionality?

ASCII-only

@feersum possibly.

Pavel

@feersum how tho

ASCII-only

@feersum i have a question. how have the chocolate chips not melted when printing

feersum

Well, I haven't printed anything in a while...

Pavel

how did they get in there though

ASCII-only

03:24

fallout + noclip

feersum

I don't understand what this opening is for tbh

Like, it's not where the paper comes out.

ASCII-only

hmm. would you mind taking a photo

feersum

OK apparently you can put the documents in there for scanning

This whole time I was just placing them on the glass.

ASCII-only

@feersum wait, what :O

quartata

@feersum wait there's chocolate chips in your document feeder

sounds like you ate a cookie at your desk really messily

feersum

03:28

Yep. Do you think I can copy them?

Ooh I also found a sticker.

ASCII-only

@feersum how did that get there

quartata

I'm not sure how you could have done this without noticing

Is the ADF on the top or the side

feersum

The top.

Pavel

I'd hate to see what the rest of the room looks like

Esolanging Fruit

04:30

CMP: best name for a parentheses-only Scheme derivative

quartata

You mean like esolangs.org/wiki/Parenthesis_Hell

Pavel

@EsolangingFruit Shitty Brain-Flak

Esolanging Fruit

@quartata yes

quartata

I forgot ais made Underload

Pavel

I don't think I've seen Ais in forever

Actually no, I saw him in #hardfought on freenode yesterday, but it feels like forever since he was here

ASCII-only

04:37

@EsolangingFruit parenthetical/parenthesis hell

quartata

he just deletes his profile everytime he gets too much rep

ASCII-only

@Pavel hardfought?

quartata

@ASCII-only NetHack server

Pavel

I play a lot of xNetHack and NH4, so HDF > NAO

Conor O'Brien

idk why but git log --pretty=format:"%h %s" --graph just gets me giddy and makes branches fun c:

Pavel

04:40

:O Has it always had color output?

Conor O'Brien

@quartata first thing I thought of when I had that description

quartata

I've said this before but for me everything about Git just made sense once I thought of branches as pointers lol

Conor O'Brien

@Pavel I have no idea

@quartata yeah. the syntax for git is a bit (terse/esoteric, take your pick), it might be fun to make an esolang out of

I have alias untracked=git ls-files . --exclude-standard --others and uncommit=git reset --soft HEAD~${1:-1} for sanity reasons tho

Pavel

@ConorO'Brien pip install legit && legit --install will enable a couple of handy git commands, in particular git undo undoes commits.

Conor O'Brien

no thanks, never touch the stuff :P

(python, that is)

Pavel

04:44

@ConorO'Brien You don't have to know python or anything

Conor O'Brien

it's more of a moral problem

Pavel

It's just the installer is written in Python

quartata

@ConorO'Brien it'd probably end up kinda like Three Star Programmer

Downgoat

05:12

@quartata you're going to classify each embedding?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Gomoku Tags: king-of-the-hill,board-game Related: Connect-n time! Gomoku or Five in a row is a board game played by two players on a \$15 \times 15\$ grid with black and white stones. Whoever is able to place \$5\$ stones in a row (horizontal, vertical or diagonal) wins the game. Rules In ...

W W

I have a 500 rep bounty I need to put on somethoing. Is there anything particulartl deredced.

* derseved

Pavel

@WW Why do you need to bounty something suddenly?

W W

No time for questions

Pavel

You could probably look through Dennis' most voted answers

The fastest code for prime counting could always use more bounty it's fckn amazing

Esolanging Fruit

@WW No time for questions

W W

05:57

Yes

That is the case

Pavel

@WW Just stick more bounty onto codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/74269/…

ASCII-only

@Pavel good idea

Fatalize

06:40

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH what is this theme

#notmyppcg

"You all are the lucky first site to get the new theme" LUL

ASCII-only

07:00

@ConorO'Brien wat

@ConorO'Brien oh also could you please have a colorless AST option

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only please post an issue about that, I might forget

@ASCII-only ditto^

ASCII-only

side note: ruby is amazing. i should learn it sometime

same as attache

also, i wonder how to keep a handwritten parser simple >_>

halp. the shunting yard alone is 170 lines

Is there a codegolf style that gives points for readability? — TJR Jul 30 at 3:02

:|

Destructible Lemon

07:27

just like 42 minutes until i get to play a hat in time

this is gonna be epic

Soaku

08:10

How hard would it be to make a quine in Pepe?

Adám

@Fatalize Sometimes Dyalog APL actually allows something like that. If you specify a transformation as a tacit function, you may be able to run it in reverse using the "power" higher-order function.

E.g. if f←4-⊢×2×⊢ which means f(x)=4–x∙2∙x and then require that to be –14 with (f⍣¯1)¯14, i.e. 4–x∙2∙x=–14 then APL will respond with 3 because 4–3∙2∙3=–14.

Fatalize

@Adám How does that work under the hood? Does it have a constraint solver?

Adám

So too, if you require that when dropping the last element from "ab" concatenated to the reverse of x, i.e. requirement←¯1↓'ab',⌽ you get "abzy", then (requirement⍣¯1)'abzy' will yield " yz" because reversing that gives "zy " and prepending gives "abzy " and dropping gives "abzy".

@Fatalize Both that, and it also has a table of inverses and how inverses combine.

Fatalize

08:28

So, it's more that there are specific implementations of functions when you inverse them

Adám

@Fatalize Yes, but it does fall back to a numeric solver if necessary.

Muhammad Salman

hey

Adám

@Fatalize But it is still useful, e.g. to apply several transformations under the condition that they ALL succeed. E.g. I can strip outer brackets with ('['∘,,∘']')⍣¯1 and APL will throw a DOMAIN ERROR if any of the brackets are missing.

@MuhammadSalman Hello!

Fatalize

@Adám ['∘,,∘'] new emote

Adám

May 1 at 20:11, by Adám

My life is complete; my production code contains '──┤ '∘,,∘' ├──'

Muhammad Salman

08:37

how is everyone doing ?

Adám

Unrelated anecdote: I often travel with the London Tube (metro system) and it always bothers be when they announce in the speakers: Please use all available doors! or Please use the full length of the platform!

Fatalize

Why?

Adám

@Fatalize Because humans don't have a hive mind. No individual can follow such instructions. They need to say There's more room at the north end of the platform! or The back three doors are best if you want a chance to board!.

@MuhammadSalman Anyway, I'm very well. How are you? I have not seen you here for a while.

Fatalize

@Adám I mean, technically yes, a single person cannot use all available doors. In practice that's perfectly understandable though…

@MuhammadSalman Dying because of the heat

Adám

@Fatalize Understandable, yes, but utterly useless. I can't see more than a small section of platform or more than two doors at a time (obviously they only make these announcements when the Tube is crowded), but they do not provide me any information which I can use to make choices which help relieve congestion.

@MuhammadSalman Ready to take up APL studies again?

ngn

08:54

@Fatalize you never know, if the double-slit experiment works on particles... :)

Adám

@ngn Works on humans too if enough force is applied. Quite gory though.

Fatalize

Also works on humans if there are 0 or 1 available door

Adám

ngn

@Adám this is how it should be done :) youtube.com/watch?v=b0A9-oUoMug

Fatalize

Thankfully I do not live in a city like London or Paris where you have to take the metro everyday to work

Muhammad Salman

09:26

@Adám I kinda stopped using, good 2 know u r well, @Fatalize poor u. @Adám i'd be happy 2

Adám

@MuhammadSalman Maybe join me in The Orchard?

lol

10:04

Wow

Muhammad Salman

?

lol

I didn't know why my C drive was so packed up

It was actually just one folder in the AppData directory

With the android sdk (which I don't use anymore)

Muhammad Salman

Why'd u have it ?

lol

I didn't know there was such folder

Muhammad Salman

LOL

lol

10:07

I always store sdks and things on D drive so there's no way I could think of such folder

now I feel much better seeing a blue bar on the C drive instead of red

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10:48

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Q: Most Common Multiple

Not to be confused with Least Common Multiple. Given a list of positive integers with more than one element, return the most common product of two elements in the array. For example, the MCM of the list [2,3,4,5,6] is 12, as a table of products is: 2 3 4 5 6 --------------- 2 | # 6...

code-golf

Beta Decay

11:05

Wth happened to the theme

It looks like we've been thrown back to the early 2000s

Mr. Xcoder

The starboard pretty much sums it up.

Adám

@BetaDecay You know you can edit your messages if you do it quickly?

Beta Decay

Oh yeah, but it was a small typo, so I didn't bother

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11:20

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Q: Belarus rushnyk

We've got quite a few national flag challenges already: AU CH FI FR GB GB IS KR NP US... Here's another, somewhat more advanced one: Return or print the decorative pattern from Belarus's national flag as a matrix of two distinct values for red and white. If your language doesn't support matri...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity binary-matrix

Rod

12:14

how to "sort by new" on the new theme ? I cna't find the button here @.@

ASCII-only

@Rod there is no "sort by new"

and there never was

at least afaik

Rod

@ASCII-only of couse it was, when you clicked on the site main title

compare ppcg with se

Fatalize

@Rod Click on "Questions" on the left

Rod

@Fatalize hidden on the hamburger menu! thanks c:

Fatalize

(yes, it makes no sense)

They could easily merge "home" and "questions" and add all sorting tabs on the same page

but it makes too much sense for them apparently

Erik the Outgolfer

12:21

@Rod the bad news is, I think it no longer updates with new questions without refreshing

Fatalize

@EriktheOutgolfer ……………really?

Erik the Outgolfer

I remember waiting for a question to be posted, and it was actually posted, but I only realized when it got posted in here by NMP, and there was already one answer

Beta Decay

@EriktheOutgolfer Nope, it still does that

Erik the Outgolfer

12:40

hm, with what delay?

Beta Decay

None it seems

Erik the Outgolfer

(also, does that mean 3 new challenges were posted?)

Rod

that was the "active" tab

Erik the Outgolfer

^

yeah, it looks like that

Anonymous

13:20

With how awful the new theme is, I'm kinda glad now that we haven't gotten a custom theme yet. I'm terrified of how SE would screw it up.

6

PhiNotPi

maybe it's time for me to try the userscript again (speaking of which, is the userscript completely broken?)

ASCII-only

@PhiNotPi it's not completely broken

it's just not completely working

user202729

13:36

Yay NMP use old onebox format again ...?

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Q: Shortest quine that is a palindrome. No comments

I challenge you to write the shortest code possible to produce a quine that is a palindrome. The quirk here is that you are not allowed to use any comment functionality. Rules: Shortest code wins Use rules for quines from this page: Write a Polyquine No comments are allowed. For instance, th...

code-golf quine palindrome

Beta Decay

14:03

...how does the Charcoal interpreter work?

How did it convert a 490 bytes program to a mere 93 bytes?

user202729

@BetaDecay Compression.

Erik the Outgolfer

string compression

and the other thing done is just converting the verbose program into Charcoal commands

Beta Decay

Huh. That feels kind of cheaty

user202729

Also I'm sure that somebody that utilizes the 4-fold symmetry wll give a better result.

@BetaDecay Metagolf.

Pavel

@Mego I just wish someone responded to the feedback we're giving them

Beta Decay

14:12

@user202729 It'll probably shorter if outputted horizontal too

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Q: Evaluate Words Based on "Rules" (Skeptics.SE Crossover)

Evaluate Words Based on "Rules" (Skeptics.SE Crossover) I came across this picture, which I initially questioned and thought about posting to Skeptics. Then I thought they'll only tell me if this one case is true, but wouldn't it be great to know how true any "rule" really is? Today you're going...

code-golf

quartata

14:30

Am I the only one that likes the new theme??

J. Sallé

@quartata yes

Fatalize

The simple fact that upvotes are near undistinguishable with non-upvotes makes it unlikeable

Mr. Xcoder

I like it as much as I used to like the old theme (not too much, but I think it is decent)

^^ but yeah I hate that fact.

quartata

14:57

hmmmm how am I going to include a 24 MB file in this answer

Pavel

@quartata Attach a google drive link?

quartata

let's see how well zopfli does to it first

LZMA got 4 MB, not good enough to include as a string

Pavel

@quartata Also sticking binary data in an SE answer would probably lead to it being mangled

quartata

No I was going to base64 it

or just escape

Pavel

If the file can be generated by an algorithm, you could maybe use a stack snippet

quartata

15:00

no

New Main Posts

1

Q: Naismith's rule

Naismith's rule helps to work out the length of time needed for a walk or hike, given the distance and ascent. Given a non-empty list of the altitude at points evenly spaced along a path and the total distance of that path in metres, you should calculate the time needed according to naismith's r...

code-golf number

0

Q: Split the bits!

We define \$V(x)\$ as the list of distinct powers of \$2\$ that sum to \$x\$. For instance, \$V(35)=[32,2,1]\$. By convention, powers are sorted here from highest to lowest. But it does not affect the logic of the challenge, nor the expected solutions. Task Given a semiprime \$N\$, replace eac...

code-golf number-theory integer-partitions

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15:18

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Balancing list of strings Lets define a balanced list of string as a list of strings where the length of each other are equal. Example: - Hello - House Above strings are balanced since both lengths = 5 - Codegolf - Puzzles Above strings are not balanced since the first one length = 8 and ...

Neil

15:35

@BetaDecay BTW my first try was 81 bytes, so you've definitely got some more scope for improvement

Beta Decay

@Neil Oh yeah, probably. I'll check out the tips for Charcoal

quartata

zopfli is so slow on this machine

Pavel

15:58

On the bright side, under the new theme system the design userscript shouldn't break when we actually get a theme

Taylor Scott

16:25

0

A: "Hello, World!"

Pikachu, 1563 bytes pi pi pika pi pi pika pi pi pika pi pikachu pi pika pi pika pikachu pi pika pika pikachu pi pika pi pi pika pi pi pika pi pikachu pi pikachu pi pikachu pikachu pikachu pi pikachu pika pi pika pi pi pikachu pi pikachu pi pi pikachu pi pika pi pikachu pikachu pikachu pi pikachu...

Beta Decay

The interpreter for that language needs to have an option to read that code out

Taylor Scott

yes it does

flawr

@BetaDecay you could use google translate

Beta Decay

@flawr Not high-pitched enough for my liking

quartata

not sure how I feel about this

twitter has become the "go to" place if you want to send a tweet

Tweeted by BassoonJokes on August 6, 2018 at 4:25 PM

@BetaDecay try espeak maybe

flawr

16:35

what was the "go to" place for sending tweets before that?

Beta Decay

I've just realised what the redesign reminds me of: MathOverflow

Pavel

@flawr An aviary

quartata

@flawr the zoo

flawr

how could you send a tweet there?

quartata

by picking the lock on the cages

i did it once

Pavel

16:36

Also if we're bein pedantic you don't really "send" tweets on Twitter, either

You broadcast them publically

quartata

anyways i think we can all agree twitter is pretty bad

so im not thrilled about this news

Pavel

What don't you like about it?

flawr

It can't be that bad if you can use it to govern a country.

quartata

@flawr this is true

@Pavel do you know your history

Pavel

@quartata Not particularly

quartata

16:42

the history of turkmenistan

ok. well ill explain it later

Pavel

I know like, two thinga about turkmenistan

Although
That might be more than most other people

Taylor Scott

@BetaDecay, you can use onlinetonegenerator.com/voice-generator.html - the last option is pretty high pitch

Pavel

Turkmenistan is like, a downsized North Korea as far as I can tell

quartata

perhaps

If we're being serious for a second Twitter really is terrible.

Moderation is a joke and they just axed the streaming API for a new API with webhooks that costs $3000/month for any meaningful usage

Pavel

can we all just agree that if the output of passing --help to the program you're writing is more than 25 lines it needs to either just open your program's man page or at least pipe it into a pager program

running foo --help and having to scroll in your terminal is the most annoying thing

Taylor Scott

16:59

@Pavel - meh, get a bigger monitor

/s

Pavel

Alternatively, print really short help and add a line saying See man foo for detailed info.

Pavel

17:30

What does cat: foo: No such device or address mean? I've seen No such file or directory but this is new to me

Anonymous

@Pavel Probably caused by something like >5 where 5 isn't a valid file pointer

Blue

12

Beta Decay

@Blue Proof that Google are just outsourcing their work

quartata

@Pavel sounds like you're trying to cat a domain socket

J. Sallé

@Blue Looks like JS. Just click everything and you should be fine.

9

quartata

17:39

I think

Blue

lol

Pavel

file foo says that's right

I didn't know sockets were files

quartata

no, just unix domain sockets

similar to a FIFO

or "named pipe" if you prefer

Pavel

18:01

TIL: Caling execv with only one argument will reuse the arguments to the program for the exec'd program

quartata

makes sense to me

Pavel

I wonder how portable that is

Anonymous

@Pavel Not at all. No docs specify that behavior

Pavel

@Mego It doesn't have to be specified, it just had to work everywhere

quartata

It is UB but

Pavel

18:08

So is reading past the end of an array and everyone does that

quartata

It breaks if you have anything else on the stack though

try it

ngn

@Pavel you forgot to #include <unistd.h>, the compiler assumes it's an int execv(char *) and the calling convention for that on x86_64 happens to be compatible with int execv(const char *path, char *const argv[])

quartata

yeah

Pavel

@ngn I didn't forget, it doesn't compile otherwise

But yeah, makes sense

Conor O'Brien

18:33

is there a way to collect all answers in a certain language? I feel like someone made an SEDE query for it, but I've been unable to find it

Conor O'Brien

19:00

nvm, I got it

AdmBorkBork

lol, my answer on the Meta post about the voting colors being indistinguishable is now my second-highest-voted answer anywhere

Pavel

I just wish someone replied to the meta answers

AdmBorkBork

I expect they will when they actually make decisions on the posts

quartata

19:32

meta doesnt count though since you dont get any Cold Points from it

Pavel

Cold Points?

quartata

ice cold rep points

Beta Decay

@quartata is your twitter count actually written by you?

quartata

the real stuf. what we're actually here for

@BetaDecay yes

Beta Decay

It could easily be generated by a bot

Maybe you are a bot

quartata

19:39

if you think they're written by a bot, you're not reading them enough times I'm sorry it's true though

theyre only surreal because Time and Reality are. im just a parrot.

Pavel

Are parrots surreal?

quartata

they can give you horrible diseases so that makes them real enough

and also worthy of being called Sir, to be polite to something with such power

so yeah

Conor O'Brien

that's exactly what a bot would say

quartata

bots dont know what Sir sounds like but neither do i

Pavel

19:54

I think wikipedia might have an ipa guide for it

flawr

20:04

india pale ale

why not

but right now I'm more into cider

JungHwan Min

ooh I just noticed I got a new gold badge

J. Sallé

@flawr yes please

flawr

beer-request

J. Sallé

status-nobeer unfortunately

flawr

🍺

Luis Mendo

20:27

@flawr Not sure. I’ve been in Dublin since Friday. But the forecast was really high temperatures, and it wouldn’t surprise me that some regions of the South had reached that. I just landed back, and I haven’t stepped on the outside yet :-)

Pavel

21:24

Is modifying /usr/share/misc/magic by hand a bad idea

I like how the comments for the microsoft executables section are super sarcastic
You can just feel the "why would anyone design a binary format like this"

Hmm, binfmt_misc doesn't seem to have a way to distinguish regular PE files from .NET executables

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Note: this is my first time posting, so I need help fleshing out the details. I'm aware there are plenty of Roman Numeral problems, but this is somewhat different. When in Rome, count as Romans do! This problem is inspired by this website, which published the following diagram: This diagram ...

msh210

22:49

Hi, all. I recall seeing somewhere a tetris game written in obfuscated Perl 5, where the code was shaped into tetris blocks. I can't seem to find it with a Web search or a perlmonks site search. Can anyone point me to it, please?

quartata

Sure it was in Perl?

I remember something like that, but it was actually in Python 2

This one I think: nerdparadise.com/programming/pythontetris

Pavel

0/10 unnecesary whitespace

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