The Nineteenth Byte

Anonymous

12:47 AM

@Pavel In my experience, Fedora prerelease builds are usually pretty stable

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3:03 AM

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Q: Codeium Golfide

In this challenge, your task is to take an anion and a cation, and output the chemical formula of the compound. The input follows these rules: Take in 2 strings (in any order) representing the anion and cation, e.g. F, NH_4, or Al. To take in the charge of each ion, you can either have it as ...

code-golf

tfbninja

3:34 AM

@DJMcMayhem what was that link you showed me to find the semi-shortest way to get a number in Brain-Flak?

Marcus Andrews

ruby for counting letters divided by count of digits?

my python approach is too long

import re
s=input()
print(round(len(re.findall("[A-Za-z]",s))/len(re.findall("\d",s))))

ruby

s=gets
p (s.scan(/[A-z]/).size.to_f/s.scan(/[0-9]/).size).round

DJMcMayhem

3:59 AM

@tfbninja brain-flak.github.io/integer

Marcus Andrews

4:25 AM

a,n=gets.split.map(&:to_i)
n.times{a^=1<<gets.to_i}
p a

There a shorter way to do this?

read in a, number of lines n (both space-separated ints on same line)

then n lines, each with a number

you flip that bit in a

then print a

Anonymous

@MarcusAndrews Use // instead of round

Marcus Andrews

?

also apparently I can do a,n=gets.split.map &:to_i without the parens

Anonymous

4:41 AM

re.findall(...)//re.findall(...) instead of round(...)

Downgoat

4:57 AM

> non-mathy version

> uses 3 greek letters

19

A: Determinant of an Integer Matrix

Jelly, 15 bytes LŒ!ðŒcIṠ;ị"Pð€S Try it online! How it works LŒ!ðŒcIṠ;ị"Pð€S input L length Œ! all_permutations ð ð€ for each permutation: Œc take all unordered pairs I calculate the difference between ...

Marcus Andrews

I think // is floor division no

not necessarily round

Anonymous

Oh true

user202729

@MDXF formulas and symbols and numbers hardly constitute maths. Mathematics is the abstraction and the generalization and the logic behind the formal manipulations of the symbols. — Leaky Nun 2 days ago

Pavel

5:49 AM

Can anyone using the gradscript point me to the settings button, I seem to be blind.

Anonymous

@Pavel I think it's still broken from the new topbar downgrade

Pavel

@Mego I'm trying to enable it in chat and I can't.

@Downgoat halp

Downgoat

6:05 AM

top right corner

> No module named 'datetime.datetime'; 'datetime' is not a package

water u doin python

Pavel

@Downgoat I don't have an icon there

Like at all

Downgoat

are you on latest versino?

Pavel

@Downgoat Installed it like 30 minutes ago

Maybe I installed it from the wrong place?

I got it from your GitHub.

Downgoat

hm maybe I haven't updated GH

Pavel

@Downgoat I'm on version 3.13.1

Downgoat

6:14 AM

aaaand wrong room :|

Pavel

@Downgoat thanks

Anonymous

10:09 AM

→ 3 messages moved to PPCG v2

Fatalize

12:17 PM

Finally home, phew

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing APL, 13 bytes: Try it online! (∇s only needed on TIO)

f x
(,x+x)[1]

@J.Sallé No it isn't! ^

J. Sallé

Aaaaaaand @Adám strikes again! Hahahahah I would never have guessed that :p

Also g'morning everyone o/

Adám

12:41 PM

@J.Sallé ○/ (←how is that a useful function?)

J. Sallé

@Adám that reduces everything ×pi? Hahahahahah

Adám

@J.Sallé No, that's monadic ○. You can't reduce by a monadic function.

J. Sallé

@Adám So it applies the circular function to each element? :p

Adám

@J.Sallé No, that would be ○¨ (or just ○, which is indeed pi×)

HyperNeutrino

12:59 PM

can someone explain how this OEIS sequence works

Anonymous

@Adám Reduce by data-independent trig functions?

HyperNeutrino

whoa what hm I think I understand it now but it's strange

Adám

@Mego Almost: Reduce by data-dependent trig functions.

Anonymous

Err yeah words are hard

J. Sallé

@Adám I'm not very good at trigonometry and stuff, I'd probably not have guessed hahahahah

Anonymous

1:00 PM

I'm trying to turn my brain on with coffee

J. Sallé

@Mego good idea

user202729

1:12 PM

@HyperNeutrino Ah that is the next one?

HyperNeutrino

yes

user202729

(well that is already explained in the example part)

Now what remains is how to calculate the values efficiently.

HyperNeutrino

yes

I guess the trivial method is to get integer partitions and then determine how many unique type combinations exist for each

user202729

Looking at the generating function it seems that it is possible to write a knapsack algorithm.

^ Huh it is so easy

CMC: Above.

Also for Enlist feature request: (it seems that you left the room for too long that @ ping does not work): Multiple link support.

Is there any way to generate the list generate by the following Jelly code, in Jelly? 5R [1,2,3]ḷ$ €

HyperNeutrino

@user202729 5R [1,2,3]œḷ$ €

user202729

1:24 PM

I'm not asking for Enlist code.

HyperNeutrino

oh

user202729

^^^ Ignore my extraneous spaces and []s.

HyperNeutrino

5R [[1,2,3]]ṁ

3RWẋ5 is the shortest I can get

user202729

Oh, the ẋ can also works like that. Thanks!

So the x works down to the lowest layer, while ẋ only works on the first level.

HyperNeutrino

I don't understand x but ẋ is just (l, r) => (l is list ? l : [l]) * r

(approximate Proton translation)

user202729

1:29 PM

I don't even know that * in Python is list duplication.

^ I can write that message implies that I know? Anyway I don't "officially" know Python.

And x is duplicate each number in the lowest level that many numbers of time.

HyperNeutrino

Python has multiplication of lists like that

user202729

2:04 PM

@user202729 Jelly, 19 bytes: Try it online!

(that is for the next OEIS sequence, A000711)

Jelly, 22 bytes (but more effective): Try it online!

@HyperNeutrino You may want to take a look. ^

HyperNeutrino

cool, thanks!

user202729

But it is 1-indexing, not 0-indexing.

@NieDzejkob posted already.

NieDzejkob

yeah, new sequence on OEIS challenge

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2:43 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Meta: is 4 chars enough? Are there enough challenges? 4-character golfing language language-design Challenge: Design and write an interpreter for a new golfing language. The catch is, all programs must consist of only four significant characters. In order to test how "golfy" your language is,...

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3:32 PM

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Q: Largest Deep Sum

Given an n-dimensional array filled with numbers, output which p-dimensional array has the largest sum. Input An n-dimensional array of numbers, or your language's equivalent. n, the number of dimensions in the array. (doesn't need to be called n) p, the number of dimensions in the arrays you ...

code-golf array-manipulation

Pavel

4:13 PM

@Adám halp how do I exit the command-line version of dyalog

I tried <C-c> <C-d> exit nothing worked

killall dyalog?

@Pavel )off

Thanks

@Pavel Funny. One of my earliest memories of using APL on my own (i.e. not on my father's lap) was being tired, and not remembering how to shut it down. I tried )quit and )exit and )stop…

Pavel

Hah. )off is the first function I've seen that starts with ). Are there others?

Adám

4:17 PM

@Pavel They are called system commands. You can also use ⎕OFF.

Pavel

Cool

I was pleasantly surprised earlier to learn that Fedora/Cinnamon already had a Dyalog layout. Unlike the Windows IME layout, however, it doesn't contain regular keys, it essentially acts as if the APL key is always depressed.

Adám

@Pavel It is supposed to be used as an additional keyboard layer.

Pavel

@Adám I found a setting to temporarily change layout while a key is pressed.

Adám

@Pavel Exactly. Now you can use ⊞ as your APL key.

5

Pavel

@Adám I went with AltGr, I actually use the windows key to access Cinnamon's equivalent of the start menu

Adám

4:25 PM

@Pavel I use AltGr too. For US/UK keyboards, that's fine.

caird coinheringaahing

4:38 PM

CMC: Given a character, determine whether it is contained in your source code. File reading is forbidden. Example: If my code is print(input()) and was given the char "t", it should return True, but if given "z", it should return False.

DJMcMayhem

øø almost works in V :/

Pavel

a="input()in a#evlpr";print(eval(a)) is terrible but works.

NieDzejkob

@cairdcoinheringaahing Python 2, lambda a:a in'abdimnl :\\\''

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel Why the #?

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing Comment, it's chars that need to be in a but shouldn't be eval'd

It covers the print and eval statement characters.

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4:50 PM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Make a Robo-Reviewer: Close Votes code-golf Write a program that reviews posts for the Close Votes queue on Stack Overflow. Since it's near-impossible to write a bot that can accurately review posts in the actual queue, we're instead going to use a grossly oversimplified version of the queue ...

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel Ah yeah. Also, your code has a ;, but the string doesn't :/

Or () for that matter

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing It doe have the () in input() and I forgot the semicolon

Anonymous

5:04 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Simple extension of the standard Python quine: _='_=%r;a=input();print a in _%%_';a=input();print a in _%_

Anonymous

Takes a quoted string as input

Stephen

5:25 PM

I did it, my rep graph is kinda like the graph of the square root of x

ETHproductions

wait a minute

Calvin's Hobbies, United States

47.4k 35 278 516

code-golf ascii-art string kolmogorov-complexity arithmetic number code-challenge

caird coinheringaahing

@ETHproductions Calvin really should have the code golf badge. He is the judge when it comes to good challenges :P

ETHproductions

my point was, he's Calvin's again :D

Mr. Xcoder

Yeah :-)

ETHproductions

but I do agree, it'd be nice if questions could count toward the code-golf badge

Mr. Xcoder

5:29 PM

And also glad to see you back ETH, you kinda took a break didn’t you?

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ Calvin has more gold badges than I have questions

ETHproductions

sort of, I'm kind of still taking a break until the end of the semester

just don't have enough time to do everything

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing So do Dennis and Martin :P

ETHproductions

Lynn seems to have moved past me in the rep standings, I'm no longer in the top 10

heh, should've searched the chat transcript :P

Oct 31 at 13:36, by caird coinheringaahing

\o/ Calvin's back!

caird coinheringaahing

I find it fascinating to see the top 3 tags of users, and seeing how low you have to get to find a given tag. For instance, this is the highest repped user with underhanded in their top 3.

And Joe Z. is the highest user without code-golf as their top tag (makes sense though :P)

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5:54 PM

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Q: Take a byte out of it!

Your task is to, given an unsigned integer n, find the largest number which can be created by removing a single byte (8 consecutive bits) of data. Example Given the number 7831, we first convert it to binary (removing any leading zeroes): 1111010010111 We then find the consecutive group of...

code-golf number integer binary base-conversion

Anonymous

@ETHproductions He flips back and forth

Adám

6:10 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Dyalog APL, 8 bytes: ∊∘'∊∘''' (bonus: can take multiple characters at once)

mınxomaτ

6:26 PM

Wow, EA is making reddit history.

ETHproductions

@mınxomaτ how so?

mınxomaτ

Most downvoted post ever: np.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/…

Anonymous

in PPCG-gaming, 6 hours ago, by Mego

EA's statement about ridiculous MTX in Star Wars Battlefront is the most downvoted comment on Reddit, by far.

Anonymous

:P

Anonymous

At the time I posted it, it had more downvotes than #2-12 combined, and more than 5x the downvotes of #2. I have no idea what the stats are like now.

mınxomaτ

6:29 PM

On it's way to -400k

DJMcMayhem

@Mego Where's the list?

ETHproductions

...wow

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Here is the list of #2 onwards. The EA post hasn't been added yet.

Anonymous

Possibly because the number won't stay still long enough.

ETHproductions

I don't really understand why everyone is quite this mad (as I have little context), but this is certainly about the closest anyone could possibly get to making every single reddit user mad

DJMcMayhem

6:33 PM

@ETHproductions It's because the game costs a lot of money (60? 80? dollars), but most of the content is hidden behind more transactions or a very very long grind (150 hours to unlock every hero)

mınxomaτ

The EA post is actually quite clever. They admit to engineering for maximum profit but try to make it sound like a feature.

Anonymous

@ETHproductions The context is, EA is selling the game for $80 ($60 + $20 for extra heroes), and the most iconic character from Star Wars (Darth Vader) is hidden behind either a $20 microtransaction or a grind that takes 40 hours on average.

Anonymous

And EA basically said "yeah we're doing this on purpose, lol give us more money or waste your time trying to get this thing in a video game that gives no sense of accomplishment"

ETHproductions

yep, maybe a good choice for business, but definitely not for keeping their user base

alright, gotta run. Talk to y'all again later

DJMcMayhem

@Mego chatjax fail

ETHproductions

6:36 PM

hahaha

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Yeah using $ for chatjax delimiters is not the smartest decision

NieDzejkob

how about $$?

DJMcMayhem

@Mego How the hell is Gabe Newell not a user of note?

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem Famous elsewhere != famous on reddit

Mr. Xcoder

What does - do in Jelly?

DJMcMayhem

6:46 PM

Most of the users of note are famous elsewhere

@Mr.Xcoder Negative number. Without arguments, defaults to -1

github.com/DennisMitchell/jelly/wiki/Syntax

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem IDK I didn't make the list. I didn't even know about it until today.

Mr. Xcoder

@DJMcMayhem How does it work here: BḄ-8ƤṀ

DJMcMayhem

Well I'm guessing that the -8 part means -8...

FrownyFrog

7:06 PM

It’s an argument to Ƥ

HyperNeutrino

the deep sum challenge is a pain in Jelly

if there's no built-in, it takes like 50 bytes

either it's short or it's long. there's like nothing in between

[citation-needed]

@Mr.Xcoder That's (monad)(monad)(nilad)(quick)(monad) because -8 is a single niladic token. So that becomes a monad-monad-monad link

darn, why does dyad have to have 4 letters ಠ_ಠ

Mr. Xcoder

...

FrownyFrog

In J dyad evaluates to 4

HyperNeutrino

wow

FrownyFrog

tio.run/##y/r/PzU5I1/…

HyperNeutrino

7:15 PM

hm interesting

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Prune my tree code-golf ascii-art Given a well-formed ASCII† art tree and the name of a node, print or return a new, well-formed tree with that node and any children removed. †Contains non-ASCII characters. Example Given this input tree: A ├ B ├ C │ └ D └ E ...and the node name E, the f...

HyperNeutrino

0/10 should just make this actual ASCII-art

mınxomaτ

Dell's business shopping site is one big memory leak. Not sure it isn't actually just mining crypto currency in the background.

DJMcMayhem

7:32 PM

Python style question: Is this bad style?

def foo():
    import bar

    ...

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem I think that's a syntax error

Thomas Ward

@DJMcMayhem Imports have to happen outside all classes, functions.

so you'd need to do...

import bar

def foo():
    ....

because otherwise it's a syntax error and will actually explode at times

Erik the Outgolfer

or

DJMcMayhem

>>> def foo():
...     import math
...     return math.pi
...
>>> foo()
3.141592653589793
>>>

Sure about that?

Thomas Ward

@DJMcMayhem it's doable, but you'll get a lot of "WTF are you doing" from a style perspective

DJMcMayhem

7:34 PM

What if I only want to access bar from inside of foo?

Thomas Ward

PEP8 is important.

python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#imports

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem how can you do that o_o

Thomas Ward

@DJMcMayhem import it at the beginning, only use it within foo.

if you want to be style compliant you do all your imports at the beginning of the file

if you don't then it doesn't matter, do what you want as long as you don't error out

but most style checkers will yell at you.

including the one inside PyCharm :p

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer However:

>>> def foo():
...     import math
...     return math.pi
...
>>> foo()
3.141592653589793
>>>
>>> math.pi
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'math' is not defined
>>>

Thomas Ward

or flake8 or any other thing.

DJMcMayhem

7:36 PM

@ThomasWard Fair enough

Thomas Ward

and now to write a new set of libs >.<

Erik the Outgolfer

wait, why do I remember that being a syntax error

ETHproductions

@cairdcoinheringaahing Japt, 2 bytes: øø

DJMcMayhem

@ETHproductions Hahaha:

3 hours ago, by DJMcMayhem

øø almost works in V :/

Erik the Outgolfer

@ETHproductions it's an almost polyglot with V ;-p

DJMcMayhem

7:45 PM

What's ø in Japt?

Fun fact: øø in V will tell you how many hexadecimal characters are on the current line

Pavel

8:04 PM

@DJMcMayhem How does that almost work

That sounds nothing like the required task

DJMcMayhem

@Pavel Because ø tells you how many times a certain regex matches on the current line. And the second ø in the regex doesn't match a literal ø, because it's non-ASCII. In V, any non-ASCII in a regex is translated to \<char-with-the-high-bit-turned-off>, which in this case is \x, which is a vim character class for [0-9A-Fa-f]

Marcus Andrews

Is there a shorter way to do this?

A=[input()for k in' '*int(input())]
print('\n'.join(A[::2]+A[1::2]))

Mr. Xcoder

What is it for?

Marcus Andrews

take in a bunch of strings, join every other even line with every other odd line

(in either ruby or python, whichever is shorter)

Mr. Xcoder

8:22 PM

@MarcusAndrews Python 2 is shorter (by 3 bytes):

A=[raw_input()for k in' '*input()]
print'\n'.join(A[::2]+A[1::2])

ETHproductions

@DJMcMayhem On a string, it returns true if the string contains the argument to ø, otherwise false

Marcus Andrews

huh, you're right

ETHproductions

i.e. AøB returns true if (variable)A contains (variable) B

this works in this case via a combination of implicit input and magic

Mr. Xcoder

A bit longer using exec: A=[];exec"A+=[raw_input()];"*input()

Pavel

@MarcusAndrews You can get the first bit in Ruby with A=(1..gets.to_i).map{gets}

Marcus Andrews

8:24 PM

what about a gets and then $<.read?

gets
puts $<.read

or p, whichever

Pavel

That just discard the first line of input

Marcus Andrews

I don't know how to do the equivalent of partitioning/slicing in Ruby

Pavel

But yeah something like that

Marcus Andrews

most of the SO answers I see involve long syntax

so possible that ruby is not shortest but still

Pavel

@MarcusAndrews you could cheat, A=$<.read.split(?\n)[1,99]. This assumes the tests never have more than 99 lines.

That's not shorter than just sticking a gets in

Marcus Andrews

8:29 PM

XD

Pavel

So gets;A=$<.read.split(?\n)

Marcus Andrews

is ?\n the same as "\n" ?

Pavel

Yep

Mr. Xcoder

What is that syntax, Ruby?

Pavel

gets;A=$<.read.split(?\n)
puts[A.step(2).to_a,A.last(A.length-2).step(2).to_a].flatten

@MarcusAndrews I got ^ using some godawful array slicing.

@Mr.Xcoder Yep

Mr. Xcoder

8:36 PM

@Pavel No, I was asking Ruby itself why it has that syntax!

Pavel

@Mr.Xcoder Originally ?x meant x.ord. The .ord got dropped by the syntax stayed.

gets;A=$<.read.split(?\n)
puts A.step(2).to_a,A.last(A.length-2).step(2).to_a

Slightly shorter

Mr. Xcoder

:o Ruby longer than Python?

Pavel

@Mr.Xcoder Python has good array slicing

gets;A=$<.lines.to_a
puts A.step(2).to_a,A.last(A.length-1).step(2).to_a

@MarcusAndrews ^ Is as far as I think I can get it with my current approach.

Marcus Andrews

I did see a .partition function but it didn't seem to like certain lengths

Magic Octopus Urn

10:00 PM

Is battlefront out or something?

ATaco

The beta is.

And it was received horribly.

Magic Octopus Urn

@ATaco I saw top starred message haha.

@ATaco I wish people would ACTUALLY boycott games...

@ATaco Everyone says "oh I'm never getting that"; inb4 50% steam sale when they're not doing good on sales, everyone buys it, they never learn the lesson...

ATaco

I was tempted to get COD WWII until I saw that it had lootboxes.

Magic Octopus Urn

@ATaco Really?! Is that the new FPS model now?!

ATaco

Yep. Welcome to modern gaming.

Magic Octopus Urn

10:04 PM

@ATaco If you want a fun game that the developers didn't jack up I just got Divinity Original Sin II, they did phenomenal.

@ATaco They had the preorder in Early Access at $20, which you'd get content early (20% of the entire game!!!), and basically beta test mechanics for them. THEN you get the full game FREE when it released (a AAA title worth $59.99).

@ATaco I miss small companies like Larian Studios...

Has anyone done a challenge for ASCII tallies?

Eric Tressler

@MagicOctopusUrn I put something on Steam and it is a pretty soul-crushing experience

Larian did the original Divine Divinity, right?

ATaco

@MagicOctopusUrn Already played it, Loved it.

Magic Octopus Urn

@ATaco My main point was how they handled early access, I LOVED that.

@ATaco I forget which game I bought in early access, went AAA and recharged all the people who were testing it in alpha.

ATaco

Some games are still great. Like everything Nintendo is doing.

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Yeah, they did. Also, what did you put on steam? Did they ream you in the reviews?

If you want to make a killing on steam put anything [VR] out there, even if it's absolute garbage.

Destructible Lemon

10:08 PM

is it free?

Eric Tressler

@MagicOctopusUrn store.steampowered.com/app/709920/Tametsi - no, there are just not enough reviews, it's dying

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Wow, your best review is 46 hours. That's hella flattering.

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Number to Basic Tallys Given a number n, output tallies grouped into the traditional 5-per-group and 50 per row. Examples 1 | | | | 4 |||| |||| |||| |||| 5 |||/ ||/| |/|| /||| 6 |||/ | ||/| | |/|| | /||| | 50 |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/| ...

Destructible Lemon

@EricTressler I'd look at it but I'm unable to

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon no, which is why I haven't really brought it up in chat. I do have a free word game that I made last year and am going to revamp this winter

I'll bring it back up in a month or two, and that's easier to talk about

Magic Octopus Urn

10:10 PM

@EricTressler I'm buying it and trying it fo-sho haha.

@EricTressler How do you get royalties from steam BTW? I've always been interested in that.

Eric Tressler

@MagicOctopusUrn thanks. I didn't know this ahead of time, but there's a 10-review minimum before a game shows up on searches, and I see now how things slip through the cracks.

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Give it to 9 people for free.

Eric Tressler

@MagicOctopusUrn it's just a flat high % of all sales. I forget exactly what %, but think like 80-95

@MagicOctopusUrn I gave it to more people than that for free during beta testing, but their reviews don't count (and I'm not unethical enough to do it on the side)

ATaco

To anyone who hasn't played it yet, I can sign infinite praises to Mario Odyssey

Eric Tressler

@ATaco I'll wait for the PC port. In 2053

Magic Octopus Urn

10:13 PM

@ATaco Literally the only game I've ever seen on nintendo recently that almost made me buy a damn console.

@ATaco What was the last one? Galaxy? For WII? Duuuude... I rented a console from BLOCKBUSTER for that lmao.

Eric Tressler

I wish nintendo would just blanket adopt emulation of their last-gen systems

ATaco

Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey alone make it worth it in my opinion, but if you're like me and spend 4 hours a day on a train, things like Binding of Isaac, Doom, and soon Skyrim are also great selling points.

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon I just caught your last comment, there's also griptopgames.com

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Won't let me review without the app, guess I'll go play it and figure it out later at home haha.

Eric Tressler

@MagicOctopusUrn Thanks. I hope you like it, if you do decide to try it. I don't know if it's something I'll try again, as it took an incredible amount of time

I spent 2-3 months designing the puzzles and then 3-4 months dealing with nonsense

I think in the future anything I make will be open source

@ATaco I bought an Xbox 360 + PS2 just to buy the Katamari games

Magic Octopus Urn

10:21 PM

@EricTressler Unfortunately, the things that make money with a small development team usually either mislead the user, misrepresent how much content there is or are just passion projects like RimWorld which are phenomenal.

dzaima

@NewSandboxedPosts I don't know Charcoal but I have that feeling that it's gonna be at least two times shorter than SOGL :p

Destructible Lemon

@EricTressler could try itch.io?

Magic Octopus Urn

@dzaima That challenge hasn't been done before right?

Eric Tressler

@MagicOctopusUrn Yeah, and I'm not business-minded, it's all horrible to think about for me. I have been waiting for RimWorld to get out of Early Access

I tried DF years ago, but it still has so many apparently broken things... it kept me from wanting to really dig into the nuances

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler A good mod idea for RimWorld I had was just "caching" save files in a "cloud" (oversimplifying). Requires that you're running unmodded. Then, have the ability to generate a game using all the save files as the scattered colonies.

@EricTressler What's DF?

Eric Tressler

10:24 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn So treating them a little bit like nethack bones files

@MagicOctopusUrn DF -> Dwarf Fortress, which I am almost certain is the inspiration for RimWorld

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler I've heard... mixed things lol.

@EricTressler Isn't it dead now?

Eric Tressler

I don't know, the last update was apparently a year and a half ago

so maybe, but recently dead if so

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler All I've been playing lately is KSP... I've fallen hard in love for a second time.

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon I looked into it, but the number of users there is too low, most things on itch fade into obscurity immediately. I thought my chances were better with Steam

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Tag your games as survival, even if they're not xD (1000 SALES IMMEDIATELY)

Eric Tressler

10:27 PM

I have KSP, but it's... hard to get into.

Destructible Lemon

@EricTressler well if you're making it open source, might as well possibly get a donation or two

Magic Octopus Urn

The most I've ever donated to an open-source game was $150, b/c I thought it'd make the developer start up again. I was wrong haha.

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon I'm not making Tametsi open source, at least not for now. Maybe in a couple of years.

Which game?

Destructible Lemon

10 mins ago, by Eric Tressler

I think in the future anything I make will be open source

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon Yeah, but the game that I have right now was made in the past

Magic Octopus Urn

10:30 PM

@EricTressler This was in like 2006, I can't even remember... Before steam even existed in the mainstream... It was like a runescape rip-off (not a private server, but same concept as RS: MMO, Open world, 2D, awesome).

Destructible Lemon

@EricTressler i was saying, if you make anything again, use itch.io

Eric Tressler

@DestructibleLemon I may; thanks for the suggestion

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Post your link on reddit.com/r/Minesweeper.

@EricTressler It may be really well recieved.

Eric Tressler

Thanks. I'll read their rules and consider posting there tonight/tomorrow if it's not a violation

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler Is that game anything like MS? Cause I used to binge on Minesweeper (badly)

Eric Tressler

10:33 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn It is very much like that (but much harder, and no guessing required, and I didn't include random puzzles)

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑ - Unicode emoticon for "YESSS! Success!"

Destructible Lemon

?

Eric Tressler

I have a random puzzle generator, but the ones in the final game took like 2-24 hours of CPU time each to make/revise

So I can make easy puzzles on the fly, but not hard ones; since the random levels were weaker, I left them out

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler I've seen random dungeon generators do extremely well.

@EricTressler Like crypt of the necro-dancer.

DJMcMayhem

That's a fun game

I really like Klei

Eric Tressler

10:36 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn Yeah; it's a little bit of a different situation here. I'd love to talk about the algorithm behind it sometime, but I never had a good reason for doing so. I didn't get stuck on anything enough to ask a question, etc.

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem I get hung up on the artwork for Klei to be entirely honest, and I have no idea why. I feel way more accomplished completing a mission in KSP than building a working colony in ONI.

Eric Tressler

I am afraid of Crypt of the Necro-Dancer. It looks like Dungeons of Dredmore + timing

Magic Octopus Urn

@EricTressler I haven't bought it either, I just know it's entirely too successful to ignore forever haha!

DJMcMayhem

@MagicOctopusUrn Really? Huh. I'd say their art-style is one of the biggest selling points for me

Of course, ONI and KSP are radically different in many ways

I haven't played KSP yet though. I really want to

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem I know right? I must just be weird, I've NEVER had anyone agree with me.

@DJMcMayhem God... I've bought it 2 times, it's that good.

DJMcMayhem

10:39 PM

@MagicOctopusUrn BTW, just so you know we've got a room just for game-discussion

If you're interested

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem oh, whoops, I forget that I'm spamming the gen discussion channel sometimes. My bad.

@DJMcMayhem Speaking of KSP though, I kind of want to come up with a space-based physics code-golf challenge. I have no idea what I'd do though...

@DJMcMayhem Why haven't you played it btw?

Destructible Lemon

@MagicOctopusUrn make it a koth?

Magic Octopus Urn

@DestructibleLemon KotH, 1 part - 1 byte, furthest landing from earth wins? Wait, that's not KotH, what were you thinking for KotH?

Destructible Lemon

just remove the codegolf part

make it some sort of space physics koth i guess

Pon pon holla mon

10:56 PM

Hi! Can I ask a linear algebra related question here?

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Q: Basic ASCII Tallies

Given a number n, output tallies grouped into the traditional 5-per-group and 50 per row. Examples 1 | | | | 4 |||| |||| |||| |||| 5 |||/ ||/| |/|| /||| 6 |||/ | ||/| | |/|| | /||| | 50 |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ |||/ ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/| ||/|...

code-golf ascii-art number

Pon pon holla mon

Also anyone with experience in projective geometry here?

btw hope everyone is doing okay

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