The Nineteenth Byte

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Square the imaginary number code-golf number Given two positive integers, a and b, convert it to ai + b where i is the imaginary number (square root of negative one). Then, square it (ai + b)². You should then end up with something like ci + d. You must then output, or return, c and d in any rea...

Poke

@AdmBorkBork Sounds like s/he's writing a transpiler and not a language, haha

or maybe both

Pavel

> Consider buying sublime text so I don't feel bad using it
> 80 dollars
> Nope

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caird coinheringaahing

@AdmBorkBork i.e. It converts the code to Jelly code, then runs it as Jelly

Luis Mendo

Double transpilation. That will be slow :-) Not that it matters in code golf, though

caird coinheringaahing

@LuisMendo Jelly isn't transpiled, is it?

Luis Mendo

18:20

To Python, I think

caird coinheringaahing

IIRC, it's interpreted, not transpiled

Joe

I feel like this topic could quickly escalate into a lot of sentences that start with the word "technically"

caird coinheringaahing

Technically, it could

Dennis

Not a technicality. Transpilation is vastly superior to what the Jelly interpreter is doing.

caird coinheringaahing

@Dennis I have a feeling that transpilation would be much harder to create than the current interpreter, due to the weird nature of dyads

Not to mention quicks

Luis Mendo

18:26

Sorry for the confusion :-) Interpreted, not transpiled, then

Dennis

The end result would be much faster though. Jelly's way is very slow.

Luis Mendo

MATL is transpiled and it's very slow, probably more than Jelly. I guess that says something about my transpiler writing abilities :-P

caird coinheringaahing

@Joe I love your profile picture, given that apparently "I'm a freshman" (from your profile)

Luis Mendo

Or we could blame the Octave interpreter, which runs the "transpiled" code, haha

Joe

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thanks, glad I updated my profile a few minutes ago to reflect that :)

Luis Mendo

18:30

Anyway, if MATL code is transpiled to MATLAB/Octave and that transpiled code is run by the MATLAB/Octave interpreter, I don't know what to call that: is MATL code transpiled or interpreted?

Mr. Xcoder

Hallo all

caird coinheringaahing

Hello

Luis Mendo

world

Mr. Xcoder

!

Joe

I'd say that MATL is transpiled, and only the MATLAB/Octave code is interpreted

Mr. Xcoder

18:31

Haha collaborative chain of "Hello World!"

AdmBorkBork

Transerpreted

Luis Mendo

@Joe That's my view too. But I'm never sure. Thanks!

Hehe ^^

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Output Hallo all Hello world!

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing "Hallo all Hello world! (Pyth)

Joe

@AdmBorkBork Or maybe MATL identifies as language-fluid

caird coinheringaahing

18:33

@Mr.Xcoder That's one character away from the Jelly solution (not the shortest though)

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing ~~Actually~~ In fact, Pyth, 23 bytes: ." wíZÌ73àÐ4!¸v.a"

caird coinheringaahing

Compressed string?

Mr. Xcoder

Yup

Luis Mendo

which only saves 2 bytes?

Mr. Xcoder

And it really is 23 bytes. Pyth uses ISO

dzaima

18:34

@cairdcoinheringaahing SOGL, 14 bytes

Mr. Xcoder

@LuisMendo Yup again :)

caird coinheringaahing

@LuisMendo 2 bytes is better than none :P

Mr. Xcoder

... It would benefit from a port to 05AB1E

ಠ_ಠ The 05ab1e compressor is broken

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder In what way?

Dennis

@cairdcoinheringaahing Jelly, 12 bytes: Try it online!

Mr. Xcoder

18:37

@cairdcoinheringaahing It removes all occurrences oft the first character iff it is the character with the lowest code point...

caird coinheringaahing

HUH???? SOGL loses at compression????

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis How in the world did you compress it that much... Explanation please?

FlipTack

hacks imo

caird coinheringaahing

@Dennis Wait, is "Hallo" in the dictionary?

dzaima

@cairdcoinheringaahing SOGLs compression doesn't contain capitalized letters, so it wasted 4 bytes on h -> H

caird coinheringaahing

18:38

Hey Flip

H.PWiz

@cairdcoinheringaahing Husk, 12 bytes: TIO!

Dennis

@Mr.Xcoder Compress().dictionary('Hallo').dictionary(' all').dictionary(' Hello').dictionary(' world').string('!').go()

Mr. Xcoder

ಠ_ಠ .dictionary does not work with the Jelly compressor on my machine

Dennis

Using Lynn's compressor.

FlipTack

why does this mini challenge exist

Mr. Xcoder

18:38

@Dennis .dictionary() does not work for some reason here.

Dennis

doesn't work is not a bug report.

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caird coinheringaahing

@FlipTack Because of the Hello, world chain Xcoder started :P

Mr. Xcoder

I am using MacOS, if this is relevant

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder Yeah, I think that bug has been reported on the tips page

Dennis

A permalink would have been easier. :P

Mr. Xcoder

18:41

Oh, I now see Riker's comment...

caird coinheringaahing

@Dennis -1, permalinks are too mainstream :P

FlipTack

How's everyone been? I haven't been on for quite a while

Mr. Xcoder

-1 permalinks are way too long and not even goo.gl helps.

@FlipTack Things were good around here. Welcome back!

caird coinheringaahing

@FlipTack Well, Jelly has a competitor aside from 05AB1E and Xcoder has got a ton of rep between you leaving and now, and Tetris GoL has been answered :P

FlipTack

Oh shit, Tetris GOL solved???

that's mental

Mr. Xcoder

18:43

Yup

FlipTack

brb need to see this

Luis Mendo

That will take a while :-)

caird coinheringaahing

@FlipTack Yeah, people have been bountying it since the answers were posted

Mr. Xcoder

@FlipTack ... And became the most upvoted challenge... 744 votes

Dennis

@Mr.Xcoder Someone added a permalink to the code for no good reason. It doesn't work on its own, without importing the Jelly dictionary.

caird coinheringaahing

18:44

@Dennis Is Jelly's dictionary an importable module on Python TIO?

Mr. Xcoder

Oh ok... Right how can I be that dumb?

Pavel

I managed to install JDK in such a way that javac.exe doesn't exist on my computer, and this confuses me greatly. I can compile java from IntelliJ but not from the command line.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing i don't think so

caird coinheringaahing

@Dennis is there a difference between y and string replacement in Jelly?

FlipTack

I truly didn't think I'd ever see a solution to Tetris GOL

amazing things happen on this stachexchange

have we graduated yet? hahaha

caird coinheringaahing

18:48

@FlipTack November 1st is approaching

Luis Mendo

^^ We have the new nav bar

Mr. Xcoder

@FlipTack We have kinda semi-graduated...

FlipTack

I come back 9 months later and we're still waiting

classic PPCG

Dennis

@Mr.Xcoder It is. I fixed the link.

Mr. Xcoder

@Dennis Ok... I just rolled back, thanks anyway!

Pavel

18:50

@FlipTack Yeah. A Over a year ago, if memory servers. No design yet though.

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Q: Should Output a number bigger than TREE(3) be edited an reopened?

The question output a number bigger than TREE(3) was closed as unclear what you are asking. I like the idea behind the question and would like to edit and reopen it. To start I'm not even fully sure why it was closed. I get the phrasing was confusing, but the idea behind it is pretty simple. W...

caird coinheringaahing

\o/ A meta review! First time in ages

Luis Mendo

@Pavel memory servers :-P

caird coinheringaahing

19:07

CMC: Given a list, nest the elements, with the first two nested the most and the last one nested the least. Example: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10] => [[[[[[[[[1, 2], 3], 4], 5], 6], 7], 8], 9], 10]

Erik the Outgolfer

jelly, 2 bytes: ,/

caird coinheringaahing

I have 2 bytes in Jelly

Erik the Outgolfer

that's what you waited for right

caird coinheringaahing

ninja'd :P

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Pyth, 2 bytes ,F

dzaima

19:10

@cairdcoinheringaahing SOGL, 4 bytes. Open the console to see the actual array representation

caird coinheringaahing

So what does F do? Presumably , is similar to Jelly's ,

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Reduce.

Erik the Outgolfer

@cairdcoinheringaahing , is exactly like jelly's ,, and F is reduce

caird coinheringaahing

Wait, why is F reduce?

Erik the Outgolfer

Fold

also

05ab1e, 4 bytes: R.«‚

AdmBorkBork

19:12

Boo-urns. PowerShell flattens arrays and inserts newlines between elements by default during the implicit Write-Output, so @(@(1,2),3) is visually the same as @(1,2,3).

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Because it was the only available character and it's F old

Luis Mendo

And because assigning letters/symbols to functions in a code golf language is hard

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing V, 8 bytes: JûÉ[Íî/]

Mr. Xcoder

... especially if they are ascii-only (cough MATL, cough)

Giuseppe

@cairdcoinheringaahing R, 25 bytes: function(l)Reduce(list,l)

caird coinheringaahing

19:13

Talking about Fs :P

Mr. Xcoder

Oh there is a contact game going on

Luis Mendo

@Mr.Xcoder :-D

Neil

19:53

@Pavel javac used to be just a thin wrapper around java com.sun.tools.javac.Main anyway

Pavel

Hmm... wonder how they compiled com.sun.tools.javac.Main without relying in Java. By hand?

That sounds impractical.

Prolly had a compiler in C, but it would make sense to still have a compiler in C for performance.

ATaco

@cairdcoinheringaahing ARBLE, 19 bytes reduce(a,list(a,b))

HyperNeutrino

Proton, 13 bytes: reduce(&list)

\o/ finally the & syntax trick comes into use

Joe

20:13

So many challenges seem to be solved in a short number of bytes by golfing languages. I'm talking about roughly 1..4 byte solutions. I'm wondering, could we create a class of challenges (aka a tag) strictly of the form "Do what this Language X program does", where the given program is very short and produces some sensible output? "Sensible output" is meant to exclude performing operations that have no apparent effect, such as multiplying a number by two and then dividing it by two.

HyperNeutrino

@Joe Well you can turn any challenge into that. Just make a reference implementation (I do this occasionally), and then the challenge could become "Do what this program does". However, that is not sufficient for a specification because one cannot expect all users to know that language.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino What does the & syntax do?

HyperNeutrino

&f := (*a) => f(a)

essentially auto-un-splat

caird coinheringaahing

Wait, its argument repacking?

HyperNeutrino

yeah

dzaima

20:17

fun fact: in SOGL multiplying a number by 2 and then dividing by 2 doesn't do that: online (compare that with replacing the twos with other numbers)

HyperNeutrino

wait with 3 it gives 3*3/ as output???

whoa what is this

caird coinheringaahing

@dzaima Huh? What does / do?

dzaima

@HyperNeutrino docs

HyperNeutrino

thanks

dzaima

I just made some useless stuff do useful stuff

HyperNeutrino

20:20

oh lol you overrode mul-div with the same number :P

cool

Joe

"pointless-string overloading"

AdmBorkBork

Hey, getting the letters of the QWERTY keyboard isn't pointless.

dzaima

@AdmBorkBork Yes, but multiplying a number by 2 and then dividing it by 2 is.

AdmBorkBork

Oh, I see. "(Pointless string) overloading" as opposed to "Pointless (string overloading)"

caird coinheringaahing

> push [".com", ".net", ".co.uk", ".gov"]

So that's why SOGL wins string challenges

:P

dzaima

20:24

@cairdcoinheringaahing honestly I don't know why I added that

AdmBorkBork

The FOLDOC used to live at foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk which always struck me as amusing to say out loud.

DJMcMayhem

Dock-ick-ack-ook

AdmBorkBork

Precisely

Like something out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

dzaima

@HyperNeutrino oh wow I had forgotten I had a source code built-in in SOGL :o

caird coinheringaahing

My profile picture is convinced that I have cheese in my fist, while typing with both hands :P

HyperNeutrino

20:27

:P

Joe

@AdmBorkBork Didn't you know that "string" takes precedence over "overloading"? It's because "string" is defined as a noun, whereas the gerund "overloading" is actually a verb cast as a noun, which reduces its z-index attribute in the sentence.

caird coinheringaahing

@dzaima Doesn't count as a valid quine though :(

AdmBorkBork

@Joe Right, but when I first read the sentence, I saw the hyphen as an emdash, hence where my confusion originated.

Joe

@AdmBorkBork Ah, I see you differentiate between types of dashes. I applaud you for that.

caird coinheringaahing

Huh? There's more than one type of dash?

HyperNeutrino

20:35

yes, em and en and I think hyphen is different. not sure

Giuseppe

Dash

The dash is a punctuation mark that is similar in appearance to a hyphen or minus sign, but differs from both of these symbols primarily in length and function. The most common versions of the dash are the en dash (–) and the longer em dash (—), whose names historically were loosely related with the length of a lower-case n and upper-case M, respectively, in commonly used typefaces. Usage varies both within English and in other languages, but the usual convention in printed English text is as follows: An em dash (or an en dash) denotes a break in a sentence or to set off parenthetical statements...

Okx

any feedback on codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/14054/26600

HyperNeutrino

I don't see how the difference in the part integrity of "string" and "overloading" affect the situation. Really, it's the precedence between "pointless" and "overloading"; is the overloading done on pointless strings or is the overloading done on strings pointless? I believe that "string overloading" is one object phrase because in this case "overloading" is a verb gerund (which is effectively a noun), and "string" describes what's overloaded, effectively making it act like an adjective. This makes "pointless string overloading" an Adj-Adj-Noun phrase, making the overloading both done on st…

AdmBorkBork

Although, this whole conversation is rather pointless. ;-)

We just like getting buried into the pedantic components as much as possible here in TNB.

HyperNeutrino

I have a history of being overly pedantic about grammar. I stopped that after I stopped chatting online with the one person remaining who was as pedantic as me, so I usually speak without capitalization or punctuation now (because it's the internet; not many people really care much anymore). :P

caird coinheringaahing

20:42

I care a great deal about being completely corret when typing

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Joe

@HyperNeutrino Well said. I couldn't follow the last sentence, but I agree that without the hyphen the phrase "pointless string overloading" would best be interpreted as string overloading that is pointless.

HyperNeutrino

@Joe Thanks :) I would probably have favored saying "overloading of pointless strings" because now with the "of", it turns "pointless strings" into the object where "overloading" is a verb gerund, thus converting the 4 word sequence into an object.

Boy, natural language is fun. It's so much like programming in some ways.

Joe

@HyperNeutrino I stopped being so pedantic about grammar when I started making friends. I'm not sure if there was a causal relationship between the two events.

HyperNeutrino

lol

I had a couple of friends in grade 8 and I'm in grade 10 now; my friend group has changed minimally if at all :P

Joe

I think it's funny that I just assume by default that everyone here is an adult, probably with a career related to technology in some way. It's especially ironic because for the majority of my time on the site, I have not been an adult, but I figured most of the other users would be.

Magic Octopus Urn

20:51

@Joe I am r adult! (Not really, but I'm trying <s>pretty hard</s>).

HyperNeutrino

Funny that you think I'm an adult; Stack Exchange not more than 4 months ago thought I was a 12 year old! :P

DJMcMayhem

How do you define adult?

dessert

@HyperNeutrino I'm graduating in very abstract linguistics right now and find great pleasure in programming languages. :)

DJMcMayhem

@MagicOctopusUrn s/\<\/?s\>/---/g

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino most age guesses online stem from grammar, spelling, punctuation and the way in which you react to stuff. You're probably more mature than me tbh lmao.

HyperNeutrino

20:53

Huh. Interesting! I guess it goes both ways; they're really similar, it's just that programming languages are fully constructed and don't really have "slang" [citation-needed]. Lojban is probably the most similar to programming languages :P

@MagicOctopusUrn lol maybe? idk I don't consider myself particularly mature beyond my age :P

Then again:

Jul 21 at 17:42, by Leaky Nun

you're much more mature than your age tells @HyperNeutrino

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem I, what?

HyperNeutrino

He's telling you to do ---strike--- :P

(\<\/?s\> can be read without the backslashes as </?s> which is </s> or <s>, replacing both cases with ---)

Magic Octopus Urn

Oh god I'm dumb.

It's been a loooong day.

Almost forgot why I came in here, is there a way to browse questions by most recently asked?

dzaima

@MagicOctopusUrn this?

Magic Octopus Urn

Oh my god, the "questions" tab is different than the start page?!?!

I really need to start not being this stupid.

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dzaima

21:00

@MagicOctopusUrn yeah. I remember the days of me getting lost there.

HyperNeutrino

It took me a while to figure that out :P

Magic Octopus Urn

Ah, good, at least I'm not the only one haha.

I seriously wondered how to view more than 30 questions at a time without searching lol.

HyperNeutrino

lol

dzaima

I still don't understand why there's this and this

Magic Octopus Urn

Because SE developers.

HyperNeutrino

21:13

anyway gtg o/

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem That is the most confusing regex I've ever seen

Magic Octopus Urn

TFW you're on public WIFI and do a tracert to their website to get a 192.168.0.1 response (it's hosted on the same network as their public WIFI), then their login info is admin:admin. Thank christ I know the manager...

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Clearly, you haven't read enough of my V answers

Magic Octopus Urn

Free drinks for infosec! Yay!

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem No, its the combinations of the different characters that made me go Huh?

DJMcMayhem

21:16

Oh, and the amount of escaping?

caird coinheringaahing

Although s/\<\/?s\>/---/g looks like the most confusing ><> code ever

ATaco

@DJMcMayhem careful with that regex! Almost looks like you’re trying to parse HTML!

Magic Octopus Urn

ZALGO COMETH. HT̀M̡L WI͢TH̸ ̵R͜E͘GÈX͜E̕S ̀I͘N̨V̕ÀDE͝ ̧P̕P̵ÇǴ. H̀͘͡͠A̴̧͡I̸̵͘͟Ļ̸ ҉͟Z̛̀͘͢Ą̵̀L̴̵̨͠G̀̕͟͠O̵̧̢̧͟.҉̶́

DJMcMayhem

FWIW, it's simpler in vim: s;</\?s>;---;g

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem FWIW?

DJMcMayhem

21:18

But unfortunately, either <> or ? needs escaping

@MagicOctopusUrn For What It's Worth

Magic Octopus Urn

Oh ffs, you guys starred me saying I'm stupid.

caird coinheringaahing

Q: Does s do anything in ><>?

@MagicOctopusUrn We're kids, we do stuff like that

Magic Octopus Urn

I mean, then again, I literally just now figured out how to star... So... I guess that's 4 star stupidity right there...

caird coinheringaahing

@cairdcoinheringaahing Apparently not

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wait a second, I don't actually know sed. Do I need to escape the <>?

I just assumed so because you don't in vim, and generally that means you do need to in other flavors

caird coinheringaahing

21:21

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I don;t know sed either. Maybe ask Martin? He seems to be the regex master :P

Magic Octopus Urn

Screw it, use emacs.

DJMcMayhem

It looks like you don't

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Given a piece of ASCII text, with Zalgo, remove the Zalgo and output the original ASCII-only text.

DJMcMayhem

So s/<\/?s>/---/g

caird coinheringaahing

.
.
ţ̸̛̱͓̭̜͈͚̣͑͆̆̄̎̔͘ͅē̢̧͕͙̜̤͕̦̲̾̽̅̐͌̕͜͞s̶̫̱̼͎̪̖͙̦̈́̔̃̒̚͟ͅt͚͕̙̟̊̿̓́͗̏̀̕͘͟i̴̛̫͙̺̙̞̥̯͍̤͋̍̔̐̀͑̕ͅn̵̢̻̦̬̞̮͈̓̑̏̄͑̊̀͘g̱̝̦̠̭̾̓͑̿̂
.
.

=>

testing

Magic Octopus Urn

21:22

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo....

caird coinheringaahing

This can generate more test cases

Dennis

Can you please turn this into a userscript?

Magic Octopus Urn

Wait, which chars are we keeping, numbers, letters, spaces?

¶žQJÃ is the version that only keeps printable ascii plus newlines >_>

I honestly don't understand how or why zalgo works.

Are any of those accent marks actually used in english?

Maltysen

in other languages, by themselves or maybe in conjunction with one other one

sparingly

but zalgo puts 17 of them on each character or pair

Magic Octopus Urn

After converting one to ASCII I kinda I get it now, the specific unicode values are "told" to render offset on the previous character that isn't one that is offset?

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuude... asciiflow.com

I feel like parts of that have potential for a good challenge.

caird coinheringaahing

21:56

@MagicOctopusUrn Maybe. If I do, it seems like a "via the sandbox" post rather than "straight to main"

Magic Octopus Urn

@cairdcoinheringaahing Huh?

ASCII-only

@cairdcoinheringaahing Charcoal, 4 bytes: ▷RDＳ

Magic Octopus Urn

22:13

Anyone a fan of DOOTS: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/… ?

HyperNeutrino

yay I'm getting somewhat close to catching back up to 13k rep lol

0/10 for the title @MagicOctopusUrn

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino 2Spoopy4Me*

HyperNeutrino

*3Spooky5Me

Also what *? "any character may be used for *" but I don't see *

Magic Octopus Urn

OKAY FINE, ∞Spooky∞Me

HyperNeutrino

wtf

no it's ∞Spooky(∞+2)Me clearly :P

Also, I'd recommend adding the MD5 hashes of the output with and without a trailing newline and with and without rectangular padding (total 4 general cases) for easier testing.

Magic Octopus Urn

22:16

limit(n+2)->∞=∞

HyperNeutrino

It wouldn't accommodate all possibilities but probably most

∞+ 2 = ∞
∞ + 2 - ∞ = ∞ - ∞
2 = 0

?

(:P)

Magic Octopus Urn

False.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino :| and what kind of golflang has MD5 hashes builtin?

Magic Octopus Urn

∞+2=∞=true

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino ... That's not how it works

New Sandboxed Posts

22:17

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

2 Spooky 4 Me In terms of halloween, some things are just too spooky for me... Feel like we need some serious doots from skeletons to fuel our hallowed weens. _.---._ .' '. :) (: \ (@) (@) / \ A / ...

HyperNeutrino

I know ._.

Magic Octopus Urn

Well then make use of the [SARCASM]built-in[/SARCASM] [SARCASM][/SARCASM] tags.

ATaco

N..'Spooky'..N+2 ..'Me'

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only Not many but that way you can take the output and hash it and compare the hashes. I find it more convenient than copying the entire string from the post and then comparing the two strings

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino print(f()=="""string""")

works in most languages

in Charcoal you can just add the output as a testcase

Magic Octopus Urn

22:19

@ASCII-only [SARCASM]Almost flagged that for mismatching parenthesis, the worst sin a person can commit.[/SARCASM]

HyperNeutrino

oh ok

@MagicOctopusUrn Sorry, I assumed I wouldn't be taken for an idiot. However, I've proven that too many times already so I should use that :P

also geez I almost got a heart attack, one of the previously opened bottles of wine sitting around my house just popped its own stopper out and scared me lol

Magic Octopus Urn

We should have a sarcasm tag that adds emphsasis to transitive verbs and certain nouns... Oh yeah that TOTALLY seems LEGITIMATE.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino link :P

ATaco

ARBLE's implicit IO is my favourite so far.

HyperNeutrino

@ASCII-only oh that actually looks really helpful :D

ASCII-only

22:21

@MagicOctopusUrn :| too much emphasis, also subjective

HyperNeutrino

@ATaco yup, so many confused people commenting on your posts about rules :D :P

@MagicOctopusUrn Legitimate is not a noun

...

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino because it's not a golflang :| people shouldn't discriminate against ARBLE

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino anything is a noun if you're brave enough.

ATaco

That wasn't discrimination, that was just a fact.

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn ._.

ATaco

22:23

If the answer to the challenge "Add one to a number" is n+1, people will think it's a snippit.

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino Yep, that's a noun, clearly.

HyperNeutrino

I'd argue that anything is a verb/adverb if you're brave enough (tacit systems lol) but everything being a noun is going a bit too far... :P

@MagicOctopusUrn yes and so is eti5u4vhw458vywni5cyi4w58vmw45

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino Sweet christ, that makes you braver (more brave?) (OF A LARGER QUANTITY OF BRAVENESS?) than braveheart.

HyperNeutrino

lol

(I think it's braver)

if briefness is brevity, shouldn't braveness be bravity?

ATaco

ImplicitIO+DoneStrangely

Magic Octopus Urn

22:25

I genuinely don't know. I throw balls far, if you want good words date a languager. (Rick and Morty reference)

HyperNeutrino

CMC: Make a reverse hashing algorithm. That is, from any strings of 32 hexadecimal digits, create any string with a decently low collision rate, such that going from a string back to its digits is significantly harder (underspecified)

@MagicOctopusUrn is the thing about your throwing strength a figure of speech?

ATaco

#nahfekthat

HyperNeutrino

also, do protons have mass?

I'm almost certain they do

but this guy on quora is questioning my knowledge of science

anyway brb in a bit

Magic Octopus Urn

I throw balls far

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"Protons and neutrons have almost the same mass, while the electron is approximately 2000 times lighter. Protons and electrons carry charges of equal magnitude, but opposite charge. Neutrons carry no charge (they are neutral)." - Source = "Not Me".

ATaco

How much mass does a @HyperNeutrino carry?

HyperNeutrino

22:32

Sorry, I meant photons lol.

Magic Octopus Urn

Come to think of it, why does Rick always make Neutrino bombs literally every time he makes a bomb?

ATaco

Other bombs aren't powerful enough.

Magic Octopus Urn

What does a Neutrino bomb imply?

Basically an anti-matter bomb?

HyperNeutrino

neutrinos are like some of the most boring particles though

ATaco

> A neutron bomb, officially defined as a type of enhanced radiation weapon (ERW), is a low yield thermonuclear weapon designed to maximize lethal neutron radiation in the immediate vicinity of the blast while minimizing the physical power of the blast itself.

HyperNeutrino

22:34

billions pass through you every second

maybe 5 or so interact with you in the course of a year

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino No :|

@HyperNeutrino *interesting

Magic Octopus Urn

YAY FOR THE KID WHO OPTED NOT TO TAKE PHYSICS IN COLLEGE (me)

ASCII-only

Least reactive != boring...

HyperNeutrino

well fine true

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn YOU WHAT :|

HyperNeutrino

22:35

I'm pretty sure they do though... if they had truly 0 mass wouldn't they not be affected by black holes?

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only OSU (in my day, god am I really saying that) offered ECE or PYS. They now require both.

I took electrical engineering courses, and physics 101.

They didn't require an ounce of biology or any other science.

ASCII-only

Wait what is OSU

Magic Octopus Urn

Ohio State University (not Oklahoma)

We also used a bastardized (excuse my french) version of Java, which didn't even load the JRE.

They created custom objects for all non-primitive structures...

It hurt my soul.

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn I... have no words for this

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only it was supposed to "abstract the principal of programming from the syntax of language."

ATaco

22:38

I have a college level pass in Physics (secondary college :P)

ASCII-only

... wow

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only All of it hurt me in many ways...

@ASCII-only Then, come senior year, we have like 75% of students not knowing how to program in the real world, but know the basic concept...

HyperNeutrino

My CS class is currently teaching stuff about computer specs (so like Comp Eng lol)

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn According to Quora most college graduates doing programming courses can't program even fizzbuzz...

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only which meant that in our capstone class, I, out of the 5 people in my group, was the only person to functionally know a practical language........

ATaco

22:40

For the unaware, Australia's education is Primary College / Primary School, Secondary College / High School, then University / Tertiary College

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only College teaches you how to adapt... College doesn't teach you how to perform a real function... College is like playing monopoly to learn economics...

ATaco

College taught me how to count to 100.

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn True :| seems a but useless though

@ATaco Does America actually call every school a college

ATaco

Australia, and yes.

Magic Octopus Urn

You learn how to beat Boardwalk out of grandma, but then can't calculate anything beyond the price of gum without substantial extra learnings.

ATaco

22:41

Although Primary College is very uncommon.

Secondary College is just as common as High School.

Magic Octopus Urn

I mean, in america, there are collegiate reputations... For instance if you get a degree for ASU, you may as well throw it away... a degree from OSU pretty much lets me choose my job.

ATaco

If you call a University just "College" people will think you're an idiot that doesn't know anything about University.

Unless you're referring to an American college in particular.

Magic Octopus Urn

In the USA "University" is laughed at as a foreign word.

If you say you went to college in america, EVERYONE first asks "which college" your answer will severely impact your employability in the managers eyes.

ASCII-only

@ATaco I mean America

Magic Octopus Urn

If you went to UNIVERSITY overseas, even if the university was a cardboard box in Uganda, dude... Literally nobody would ever check...

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HyperNeutrino

22:45

> a cardboard box in Uganda

...lol

ATaco

Employers around here only care about your practical experience, although a cert helps.

Magic Octopus Urn

Half our non-american employees claim to have a masters, and we think it's funny they do this because we're 4x more likely to hire BA employees.

(Also, most of our masters immigrants are lying, or have a lesser equivalent for a "masters" in their country.)

ATaco

We normally trust foreigners' claims of degrees because most of them study here, Australia has great programs for people looking to study here.

Perhaps this discussion may not be great for PPCG in general.

Magic Octopus Urn

Probably not, agreed.

I do like watching the manager sub-exchange though... there's so many random situational things you don't consider.

Sorry, I dwell on enterprise politics daily; an unfortunate side-effect of my employment.

To all non-americans, if you move here; do not apply for a fortune 100 job where the company has more than 5k employees, it's not a good company...

Errr... fortune 5-100 companies* the first 50 are actually usually solid.

ASCII-only

23:01

@MagicOctopusUrn fortune -95?

@MagicOctopusUrn doesn't that contradict what you wrote one message before

@ATaco In what part of Australia does college not mean a combined primary and high school

HyperNeutrino

Why did you reverse the order of college / noncollege for the last slash

DJMcMayhem

@MagicOctopusUrn I don't know if you can say that your experience is an accurate representation of every fortune 500 company

Downgoat

@ASCII-only no

but 'university' and 'college' are interchangeable

Neil

23:18

@HyperNeutrino Photons have no rest mass, but they require energy to create, and this gives them relativistic mass according to E=mc²

HyperNeutrino

Hm okay. That kinda makes sense, thanks!

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem Large fortune 100 companies struggle with organization, which is why you see companies (more specifically companies that are NOT based in technology) with higher employee counts suffer. Because they don't have the ability to track who does what.

ASCII-only

@Neil So that's why they're affected by gravity (maybe)

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem I could source my claims, but I'm too lazy atm... just know if you go into the financial sector as an IT guy, you're going to have a boss that thinks you're a voodoo witch doctor.

Most of my job is dealing with: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_IT

Very common in non-IT sectors, unfortunately...

Both my company and the major competitors also utilize COBOL and MainFrame as their backbone for legacy programs...

Neil

@ASCII-only I think curved spacetime would affect massless particles anyway

ASCII-only

23:37

I guess

But without mass how would momentum work

Downgoat

@ASCII-only photon momentum = plank constant / wavelength

because E^2 = (mc^2) + (pc)^2 so you can solve for p and get yeah

HyperNeutrino

the momentum of photons has a special formula like Downgoat described. it's weird :P

Downgoat

$\hbar4\pi=h2\pi$ right? Isn't it redundant to write $\hbar4\pi$

ATaco

23:54

@ASCII-only That's the case in Vic.

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