The Nineteenth Byte

HyperNeutrino

17:00

more on-topic as in it's more on-topic or there's more that's on-topic?

Leaky Nun

@StepHen that's why the Romans were ridiculous to borrow a letter (k) to represent a sound that already exists (c) just to make a more accurate transliteration of Greek words

Step Hen

@BusinessCat you mean grammer /s

trichoplax

@EriktheOutgolfer How are braces off topic in a programming room??

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HyperNeutrino

lol

MD XF

lol

Wheat Wizard

17:00

@Jordan I've had them removed one at a time.

ppperry

Wrong type of braces

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given an integer n, output n+2 if it is even and n-2 if it is odd.

DJMcMayhem

@trichoplax hehe

Erik the Outgolfer

@trichoplax not those braces the other ones...also the ones you're referring to are called brackets formally

Jordan

I like { better than (

2EZ 4RTZ

17:00

Does association bonus count to network 10k?

trichoplax

@EriktheOutgolfer I know :P

Step Hen

@Jordan all I know is that the longer you wait the harder it is

Mr. Xcoder

@trichoplax In various ways

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino dammit ninja'd

Business Cat

@Jordan Possibly, but it's usually better to just get them all out at the same time.

Step Hen

17:00

@2EZ4RTZ I think only sites with 200+ rep count

HyperNeutrino

@2EZ4RTZ only if you have >200 rep (if you're thinking of joining 100 sites to get 10k, nice try)

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino I tried that lol

HyperNeutrino

dammit ninja'd

Mr. Xcoder

sighs as anyone ignores an on-topic CMC

2EZ 4RTZ

@HyperNeutrino rip

HyperNeutrino

17:01

@MDXF ಠ_ಠ

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder Python: lambda n:n+2*(-1)**n

Step Hen

Thirty white horses on a red hill...

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Ok... Looks good

1 min ago, by Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given an integer n, output n+2 if it is even and n-2 if it is odd.

MD XF

@trichoplax holy crap 10 stars in 59 seconds

that's gotta be some sort of record

Jordan

Which do you guys like more "[" "(" or "{"?

MD XF

17:02

Aside from "don't abuse stars" lol

Business Cat

If your braces are causing you discomfort you should just program in Python instead

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Step Hen

@Jordan ">"

2EZ 4RTZ

I have 2.4k network

ppperry

@Jordan Don't discriminate

Mr. Xcoder

@MDXF <

2EZ 4RTZ

17:02

I need to hit 10k.

Mr. Xcoder

@2EZ4RTZ Good luck!

trichoplax

@2EZ4RTZ It's overrated

Step Hen

Holy crap this chat room is full. How's lunch everyone?

Erik the Outgolfer

hehe

2EZ 4RTZ

Anyone want to give me 8k in bounties? (You know because that works)

HyperNeutrino

17:02

@Mr.Xcoder ḂḤḤ_2_@

anyway gtg o/

Conor O'Brien

@Mr.Xcoder J, 2+]-4*2&|

2EZ 4RTZ

bye o/

MD XF

@2EZ4RTZ Go answer GoL Tetris and you'll have 10k faster than you can say "bounties"

Mr. Xcoder

Nice ˆˆˆ and ˆˆˆˆˆˆ

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder Jelly, 5 bytes: _+Ḃ?2

ppperry

17:03

@2EZ4RTZ "A bounty can be awarded 24 hours after the bounty was started"

Cows quack

@ConorO'Brien lol I was just thinking of a very similar solution in APL (at least from what I can tell about that program)

DJMcMayhem

→ 7 Braces moved to Trash

Step Hen

@MDXF actually... if you want to be a total jerk... you can do that atm

@MDXF I played Tetris in GoL yesterday

MD XF

@StepHen what do you mean?

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem sorry I don't think those are the only ones you need to get to work :p

Step Hen

17:04

The Quest for Tetris guys are done everything, they are just doing answer writeups now

MD XF

You're kidding

Step Hen

50 secs ago, by Step Hen

@MDXF I played Tetris in GoL yesterday

Mr. Xcoder

@MDXF No, he's not.

MD XF

@StepHen :O

Erik the Outgolfer

@StepHen ye grammer iz cooool

honestly what does are done mean?

Mr. Xcoder

17:05

They are about to post it

Cows quack

@StepHen "Hey I play <insert stupid fps game here>, what do you play?" "I am an experienced played of tetris in GoL"

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer They have finished writing it.

Erik the Outgolfer

oic

Step Hen

@EriktheOutgolfer I dunno - I think it means "they are done the code"

MD XF

github.com/QuestForTetris/WriteUp/blob/master/Overview.md

Step Hen

17:07

@MDXF that's just one writeup, they are doing like 7 answers

Mr. Xcoder

And they are going to get +100k each (from bounties) (probably)

Step Hen

we need to make sure that it is the most bountied question, ever

Mr. Xcoder

We do

Step Hen

Although... I still want to do this...

in The Quest for Tetris, Aug 3 at 17:11, by Step Hen

brb putting a 50 rep bounty on it so that people can't put 500s for a week :P

Erik the Outgolfer

> The last message was posted 24 hours ago.

yeah you're viewing something from 24 hours ago...

Step Hen

17:09

> The last message was posted 1 day ago.

huh

MD XF

play.starmaninnovations.com/qftasm how do I actually play

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer about is relative. They've been working on it for nearly 2 years, 24 hours is nothing compared to 2 years

Step Hen

@MDXF copy the right code in

then set it to write to RAM address 1 and output 3-34

Cows quack

@MDXF btw you can't get user input in the QFTASM interpreter

Step Hen

@Cowsquack yes you can

I did it

yesterday

Mr. Xcoder

17:10

Who is repeatedly starring and unstarring my messages?

Step Hen

You Direct write to RAM Address 1

Cows quack

oh TIL :P

MD XF

When does the game start

Step Hen

See the last section on github.com/QuestForTetris/WriteUp/blob/master/Overview.md

@MDXF when you click run

MD XF

@StepHen I did but no tetrominoes are falling

Step Hen

17:11

@MDXF I dunno

@MDXF do you have the right code?

Cows quack

@MDXF hit "set code" > "run"

Step Hen

@Cowsquack oh right I forgot you had to set code

Business Cat

After I run it how do I actually play

I just see a tetromino falling and can't do anything

Step Hen

Direct write to RAM address 1

   1      counterclockwise rotation
   2      left
   4      down (soft drop)
   8      right
  16      clockwise rotation

MD XF

@Cowsquack Oh that worked. how do I do input

Jordan

17:14

With the input being "2" why does &1/@ not work in Befunge98?

Step Hen

@MDXF ^^

MD XF

Whoaa

Is this even GoL though?

Step Hen

@MDXF they made a computer in GoL

Cows quack

this is the assembly that is used with the GoL computer

MD XF

Oh wow

2

Step Hen

17:15

the same computer can run that assembly

MD XF

When do they post?

Step Hen

when they all finish their writeups

Mr. Xcoder

And then we will have them all back to normal PPCG challenges?

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder no, then I go and make an actually well-specced pong GoL challenge

Cows quack

or a general pong challenge

but I think there already is one

Mr. Xcoder

17:17

@StepHen I honestly hope that will be downvoted into oblivion (I am sick of GoL).

Step Hen

@Cowsquack there is

@Mr.Xcoder You're sick of GoL?!?!? what do you think they are?

Poke

pretty neat

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: Given an integer, halve it (floating point division), add 5, multiply the result by the integer + 1, double the result and then increase it by 100 (Chameleon-CMC on purpose)

Jordan

Why do some messages appear in the starred section with no number by it? Does that mean that one person has starred it?

Step Hen

@Jordan yes

Poke

17:20

almost got a line

but i forgot how to move the piece to the right

ha

Step Hen

@Poke 8

Poke

yeah i read the docs after

Jordan

@Mr.Xcoder Language I want to do it in doesn't have floating point division RIP

ppperry

lambda a:((a/2+5)*a+1)*2+100

(in python 3)

Mr. Xcoder

@Jordan You may choose integer division if you wish

@ppperry You can do better

Cows quack

17:22

tetris in GoL is the new <insert popular fps here>

Leaky Nun

@ppperry (a+1)

Mr. Xcoder

@ppperry Hint: Bitwise.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder jelly, 9 bytes: H+5×‘Ḥ+ȷ2

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer That's neat +1

(neat as in well done)

Erik the Outgolfer

except...

Adám

17:23

CMC: Given a point and a list of points, all in nD space, return the point from the list that is closest to the single point (or one of them if several are equidistant).

Erik the Outgolfer

H+5×‘+50Ḥ

Leaky Nun

(x/2+5)(x+1)*2 + 100 = (x+10)(x+1) + 100 = x^2 + 11x + 110

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder cQuents (no bitwise and no tricks) #|1:100+2(1+A)(A/2+5

Cows quack

@Adám what is nD space?

Leaky Nun

@Cowsquack n-dimensional

Mr. Xcoder

17:24

@LeakyNun Exactly. I hoped someone would do the maths!

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder you'd be disappointed

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder 11×+²+110 is the same length

Leaky Nun

@EriktheOutgolfer but +11×+110 isn't

Adám

E.g. [[0,0,0],[127,0,0],[0,127,0],[0,0,127],[255,255,0]] and [70,20,0] → [127,0,0]

Erik the Outgolfer

@LeakyNun that needs more maths :p

= x(x+11) + 110

Mr. Xcoder

17:26

@LeakyNun Are you sure that is correct?

Nevermind ^

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder you can do the maths yourself no need to ask

Mr. Xcoder

37 secs ago, by Mr. Xcoder

Nevermind ^

Erik the Outgolfer

well next time you don't have to mind even for a sec then lol

Mr. Xcoder

>_>

Conor O'Brien

anyone up for a game of contact?

Mr. Xcoder

17:28

@ConorO'Brien Me, if you explain how to play it.

@EriktheOutgolfer =x^2+11(x+10)

Cows quack

@Adám Dyalog APL, 23 bytes, golfing in progress {(⍵/⍨⊢=⌊/)(+/2*⍨⍺-⊢)¨⍵}

Jordan

@Mr.Xcoder Is there a limit to how long one can reply to a CMC?

@Mr.Xcoder Cause I'm working this out in a language I've never used

DanTheMan

I just scored 3119 in the dinosaur game on chrome

Mr. Xcoder

@Jordan Yes, there are chat limitations.

Adám

@Cowsquack Nice. Basically the same as mine. But I'm down to 20 now.

Jordan

17:32

@Mr.Xcoder How long do I have?

Mr. Xcoder

@Jordan No idea

I have finally read the rules for contact!

Conor O'Brien

basically, there's one guy "defending". He thinks of a word, then reveals the first letter of that word. The rest of the people are "attacking". They create clues, kinda like crossword clues, that have an answer that begins with the part of the word that the defender has revealed. Each clue has an associated number. So, if person "X" was defending the word "Hello", he'd reveal "H" and the attackers would make clues whose answer starts with "H". A possible question from the attackers would be "Animal that neighs", since the answer is "horse" and begins with "H".

Wheat Wizard

@ConorO'Brien I'd play

Conor O'Brien

fantastic

Mr. Xcoder

Me too, wait till I read again

Jordan

17:42

@Mr.Xcoder So close. Can't figure out how to add 100 in befunge

Cows quack

aa*+? (haven't tested yet, and this assumes that the number is on the stack)

Jordan

@Cowsquack that /seems/ to work

I was looking at befunge 93 commands and not 98

Cows quack

a = 10, so aa pushes two tens on the stack and * multiplies them after which + adds it to the number

Jordan

ahhh okay I didn't know a =10

cool!

@Mr.Xcoder Befunge &2/:5+\2*1+*2*+aa*+.@ (no floating point division)

Can definitely be golfed down

Just proud that I answered my first question

Erik the Outgolfer

18:09

@Mr.Xcoder or +⁵×11+²?

Mr. Xcoder

yes

playing contact, sorry

Erik the Outgolfer

btw found out how to login to esolangs

above password box it says "use secure connection" click that and try again

because insecure connection has probably been hacked or something?

Dead Possum

@WheatWizard My attempt to made quine in Lost It still doesn't work. I want to go home. I want to cry. My brain hurts. Will try again tomorrow.

Wheat Wizard

If you do that I can guarantee you 110 rep

Dead Possum

Motivation granted :D

Btw, all unknown chars are noop for lost?

Wheat Wizard

18:14

Yes

Actually it would be 510, I can't bounty under 500

So lucky you

Dead Possum

What a day to be alive \o/

(the day when I actually do this)

Wheat Wizard

Actually I can bounty 100 I just checked, but I'll do 500 anyway.

Jordan

If you make a quine in Lost I will give you 100 imaginary points

Dead Possum

Your points won't be lost!

@WheatWizard Now it is my mission

Step Hen

@trichoplax I know you were talking about backstory earlier - how's this on backstory?

Jordan

18:26

@StepHen That looks interesting

Step Hen

@Jordan thanks, it'll get a onebox in chat in an hour or so

Business Cat

@StepHen I personally see no issue with it

New Sandboxed Posts

18:40

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Predit a Collision: Will the robber get away? code-golf decision-problem cops-and-robbers Think of a road as a number line, starting at 0 and continuing indefinitely: ................................................................. There are two cars on the road: C and R. C is the cop who i...

Lynn

I just spent a minute or 15 golfing codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/138327/hexagonal-adjacency before noticing the grid isn’t finite. °-°;

A finite grid would make the challenge far, far more interesting.

New Main Posts

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Q: Многочлены Чебышёва

Chebyshev Polynomials are a family of orthogonal polynomials that pop up in all kinds of places in math, and they have a lot of quite interesting properties. One characterization of them is that they are the unique polynomials that satisfy T_n(cos(x)) = cos(n*x). Challenge Given an nonnegative...

Step Hen

@Lynn I think that would be different enough - you could probably post it yourself

New Meta Posts

19:06

0

Q: VBA Syntax Highlighting

VBA Code that uses conditional formatting, comments, date literals or open-ended strings is not highlighted correctly. For example, Sub a() #If n = 0 Then Debug.Print "N=0" #Else Return 'This throws an error, but only if the conditional compilation argument, n, is not 0 #End If End Sub is not...

bug

flawr

This is ridiculous, a challenge getting downvoted for people not liking the title. How many other challenges do we have where the title has nothing to do with the challenge? It is absolutely disrespectful to just change it without discussing it with the author first. And if you use the search function you're not gonna find challenges by the titles, so that argument is not valid - a title is about attracting attention, which this one obviously did very well.

bye

Step Hen

@flawr I agree with you that the title is fine, although the search does go on titles too.

Erik the Outgolfer

@flawr it actually attracts the wrong kind of attention though

like, people think it's spam or something

flawr

Wel just read the effing first line! And it is not even the first challenge with a title in another language.

Business Cat

The title is part of the search, but the English version of the title is literally the first two words in the body so it doesn't matter

I don't think it needed to be changed

Erik the Outgolfer

19:12

for one, if I see a title in some non-latin language, I immediately check if it's spam or something

ppperry

@StepHen Is there intentionally a typo in that title

Erik the Outgolfer

probably

@EriktheOutgolfer nope :P that's to see if anyone was paying attention — Step Hen 26 mins ago

Jordan

Ridiculous that it was removed. I thought it was a very interesting (albeit, very mathematical) question.

trichoplax

@StepHen To me, every bit of that story is contributing to explaining what the challenge requires. I don't see a problem

flawr

Well it was heavily downvoted, so there was no reason to keep it.

ppperry

19:13

You're insistence on using a non-English title didn't help.

Erik the Outgolfer

also you got valid, high-quality answers there, so downvotes are not enough of a reason to delete it

flawr

Well the insistence of other of having an english title didn't either.

Poke

If the proper russian has an "a" at the end should the transliteration be Chebysheva

Cows quack

vtw I've seen many challenges that start off with downvotes, but end with a decent amount of upvotes, you should undelete the challenge

flawr

@Poke tell that wikipedia

Business Cat

19:16

I really don't think it matters that it was in Russian. We've had some rather incomprehensible titles for other challenges because they fit with the theme

Poke

well i'm sure the person's name is just Chebyshev

or something

but since it's technically an adjective in this

w/e

iirc ё is also pronounced "yo"

so it's whatever

honestly having a russian title might make it easier to find in search, haha

and not all folks will only search by title

i think by default search will search through the post itself too

trichoplax

Two downvotes in twenty minutes doesn't sound particularly significant. I'd give it time

flawr

Well people would start editing the title again.

trichoplax

If there isn't a meta consensus that the title is unacceptable, edit wars should be flagged for mod attention

flawr

Well what can mods do about it?

trichoplax

19:21

No one should be editing to something that has already been rejected before without either citing meta or having a meta discussion first

Mods can deal with people who aggressively edit against an author's wishes, in a number of ways

ppperry

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A: Put an end to rollback wars

This is for the most part completed: Two rollbacks from the same user on a single post will generate a "rollback war" auto-flag for moderator attention. An edit which causes a post to become "low quality" will bump the post into the Low Quality Posts review queue if the edit is live for more th...

Rollback wars are already automatically flagged

Erik the Outgolfer

so a flag should've been cast already

AdmBorkBork

For what it's worth, I think the Cyrillic title is fine

flawr

Well it seems so far the majority of people think it is fine, I've only seen two that do not thinks o.

trichoplax

Bear in mind that if 20 people see it, think it's fine, but don't love it, they won't upvote or downvote. Two downvotes out of however many views it got is not much. Universally unpopular posts gather huge numbers of downvotes rapidly

New Main Posts

19:32

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Q: Return of the Hydra Slayer

Its been a while since you killed that hydra, you basked in the glory for years, but now people are calling you washed up, a has been. Well its time you prove them wrong, you've heard the whereabouts of annother hydra. Simply kill it and you will be awarded all the glory you deserve. You arriv...

code-golf math

Erik the Outgolfer

@NewMainPosts 14 minutes!?!?!? that's 1 minute less than usual!

Wheat Wizard

Thank you @NewMainPosts

I have a unclear vote, and no explanation.

flawr

@trichoplax With a negative count it is probably burried quickly.

Cows quack

@Downgoat I am interested in AvocadOS, but I have no idea about running OSs and stuff. How do you recommend I test it out?

trichoplax

@flawr If it's getting answers it's getting advertised - it needs lower than net -2 to fall off the front page

Currently people are blocked from upvoting or answering

HyperNeutrino

19:41

I thought it was -4.

Wheat Wizard

@flawr I would have upvoted but I've been out since UTC 1:00

flawr

So should I reopen it with the chance of having to revert the title a few more times?

Wheat Wizard

If you're asking me, I don't know

I wouldn't worry about the title too much though.

flawr

It looks like its is just two people agressivly expressing their opinion.

Wheat Wizard

Its also possible that people with negative opinions are less likely to tell you so, to avoid confrontation

HyperNeutrino

19:46

wait what's happening

Erik the Outgolfer

edit war dispute

HyperNeutrino

rip

ppperry

over whether the title of a (now deleted) challenge should be edited from russian to english

HyperNeutrino

oh ok

I vote English, but that's personally a really pathetic thing to be edit-warring over. Then again edit wars themselves are petty disputes ._.

Dead Possum

Praise Moтнея Яиssia

Dennis

19:49

@flawr I can lock the post if needed. I do think the Cyrillic spelling is a very bad idea though. The vast majority of us won't understand it, and it has no advantage whatsoever over the transliteration.

Jordan

Can you even search title only? When you search normally it searches the body of the question too

HyperNeutrino

@DeadPossum ಠ_ಠ

flawr

@Jordan title: asdf

Jordan

Ah okay

flawr

@Dennis Well I reopened it now, let's see what happens. It would perhaps be nice to have the comments cleaned up, as they are not really relevant.

HyperNeutrino

19:51

was it undeleted?

ppperry

yes

HyperNeutrino

I don't see it in the tools > deleted section

@ppperry ah ok. not on main though; net <-4?

ppperry

no

Jordan

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Q: Многочлены Чебышёва

Chebyshev Polynomials are a family of orthogonal polynomials that pop up in all kinds of places in math, and they have a lot of quite interesting properties. One characterization of them is that they are the unique polynomials that satisfy T_n(cos(x)) = cos(n*x). Challenge Given an nonnegative...

code-golf math sequence polynomials recursion

There you go @HyperNeutrino

HyperNeutrino

thanks

Jordan

19:52

np

flawr

lol -3.

ppperry

it seems to be attracting upvotes now

Jordan

its at 1 for me @flawr

HyperNeutrino

I still vote to have an English title.

ppperry

which makes 4 users suggesting that

HyperNeutrino

19:54

strawpoll.me/13676154

flawr

What would be the advantage of that?

HyperNeutrino

People can find the challenge through search?

flawr

Also considering that most titles are not really descriptive of the challenges anyway?

@HyperNeutrino They can anyway, as the search also goes through the body

and the very first words of the challenges are exactly what is in it.

Jordan

@flawr unless they only search via title which I don't think most people do

if any lol

flawr

and if you do you do it because you exactly know the title.

Jordan

19:55

exactly

Dennis

@flawr I don't think nuking the comments at this point would be beneficial. I'm certain they will get posted again.

HyperNeutrino

tbh I didn't know about title:asdf until you asked how to do it and I tried xD

flawr

There is a link when you searched something with all the other advanced options!

They can come in very helpful sometimes

Dead Possum

I don't care (as I understands both langs), but anyway this is english-speaking part of the internet, so mb sticking with pattern would be better

flawr

So what about the german and french titles?

Nobody gave a fuck there either.

Dead Possum

19:57

I understand german a bit too :D

trichoplax

@HyperNeutrino Sorry, I meant "I can't remember at what point it drops off the front page, but it's not -2"

HyperNeutrino

Let's consider the advantages and disadvantages to English vs. Russian.

1. This is an English site, whether or not you like it. All SE sites are English by default.
2. Some people might not be able to render Cryllic characters
3. Just because other questions aren't descriptive of the challenge doesn't mean you should do that just for the point of it.

However, there can be advantages to having it be Russian, so you can give some reasons why you should want it to be Russian.

@trichoplax oh ok :P

Dead Possum

Are there really challenges with german and french titles?

flawr

There are indeed.

Dennis

Compromise: Чебышёва polynomials

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Dead Possum

19:59

:D

flawr

Haha seriously??

HyperNeutrino

-3

Q: Ich ne know pas

Challenge You must write a program which correctly identifies the language a passage is written in. Rules The passage will be a string passed to your program either via STDIN or function arguments. You may not use any external sources except for a local text file with words. The length of the...

code-challenge

Dead Possum

Should we keep the revolt against english-only oppression?

flawr

We should. Big parts of the internet are not english by choice but by necessity.

ppperry

at least that challenge is about text in other languages

HyperNeutrino

19:59

@Dennis I like that idea because that way the Russian name is Russian but the relevant math term is English so people can see right away that it's about polynomials :DDDD

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